Author Topic: Charlie Adam - Sensible Discussion. (Read 71659 times)

JamesLS7 · « **on:** March 4, 2012, 09:29:37 am »

Be nice and lets try not get it locked like the other two yesterday.

I thought he did not have has best game, but it was far from his worst.

Positives were he neverr lost confidence, and he was getting up and trying to support the strikers.

Negatives were his daydreaming in defence, and tried to many hollywood passes.

Btw, what happens to a players set piece taking when they sign for Liverpool, yesterday his set pieces were atrocious, he managed to hit the side netting from a corner

Sevo · « **Reply #1 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:32:56 am »

Nothing new here - move on. Adam is still slow, largely ineffective and will not be part of a Premiership challenging side.

ChristophLFC · « **Reply #2 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:35:21 am »

first half i thought he was quite good to be honest

what happened to him to him in the second half tho? he was so bad was like a totally different player

petecolonia · « **Reply #3 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:36:46 am »

Trying what he did and not playing henderson in was absolutely criminal.. I actually really like him as a player but he's just always going to struggle if he has defensive duties, and he's not suited to a short, sharp passing and moving game, at the moment.

His set pieces often go wrong because he hits them in a really ambitious and difficult way, so that they arrive with more pace...No use if it never comes off, though.

trigger · « **Reply #4 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:38:21 am »

Good player in a shite team.

Less than average for us

JamesLS7 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:38:35 am »

Quote from: Sevo on March 4, 2012, 09:32:56 am

Nothing new here - move on. Adam is still slow, largely ineffective and will not be part of a Premiership challenging side.

We arent a title challenging side though.

steveeastend · « **Reply #6 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:38:40 am »

He has to keep the discipline and concentration over the entire 90 minutes then he will be just fine as a holding midfielder, doing the simple pass, making use of his physical strength and more or less delivering for the attacking players.

I think he played alright during the last couple of weeks. Only when he has to play alongside Gerrard he cannot make up for the gaps Stevie cannot close down by himself. He, Adam, needs someone like Spearing alongside him, then he is a useful part of the team.

Having said that, he still tries to do the "Hollywood"-thing a little too often, but he obviously works on it..

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #7 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:39:44 am »

I wasn't happy when we were first linked with him. I thought 'big fish, small pond' scenario. Then I thought atleast if we sign him we'll have someone who is good at set-piece deliveries and and is good at penalties aswell.

But he doesn't even seem to have that in his locker anymore.

ChristophLFC · « **Reply #8 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:42:27 am »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on March 4, 2012, 09:39:44 am

I wasn't happy when we were first linked with him. I thought 'big fish, small pond' scenario. Then I thought atleast if we sign him we'll have someone who is good at set-piece deliveries and and is good at penalties aswell. But he doesn't even seem to have that in his locker anymore.

what has happened to them tho?

some of his free-kicks and corners yesterday were terrible, last season he was so dangerous from set-pieces, i dont understand how you can be a deadball specialist then all ov a sudden be clueless, maybe pressure of playing at a big club affecting him?

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #9 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:45:55 am »

Quote from: ChristophLFC on March 4, 2012, 09:42:27 am

what has happened to them tho? some of his free-kicks and corners yesterday were terrible, last season he was so dangerous from set-pieces

I've no idea. He mustn't be practising them anymore. Perhaps it's the pressure getting to him and he doesn't have the right mentality to perform at a high level at a big club, who knows?

Kopite B205 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:46:12 am »

Average at best.

bleedsred1978 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:46:57 am »

Can't blame Charlie for the fact that we are so shite in front if goal.

Our problems are up front IMO. Charlie is ok and it,s hs first season with us.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #12 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:51:16 am »

Quote from: bleedsred1978 on March 4, 2012, 09:46:57 am

Can't blame Charlie for the fact that we are so shite in front if goal.

Our problems are up front IMO. Charlie is ok and it,s hs first season with us.

You can blame him for his poorly placed passes, his mis-timed tackles, his shite corners and his equally shite free-kicks though.

ScouseBrad · « **Reply #13 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:51:28 am »

Slow and always commits stupid pointless free kicks...

His passing sometimes is very good but we can do better IMO

wheresnemeth · « **Reply #14 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:51:37 am »

He delivers a good cross, put him on the wing he doesn't need to beat players since none of our wingers do that anyway. The just needs to get in a position to cross the ball. His best position for me would be on the wing where he would be less prone to lose possession or make mistakes.

kennysjacket · « **Reply #15 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:52:19 am »

I dont think he is a good first team player,but is good to have around in the squad.
Problem is,he has pretty much been our first choice this season which worries me.

Smug Cassandra · « **Reply #16 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:52:27 am »

Ferguson fattened him up with his 'corners' alone being worth 10m comment. We bit. He's incredibly egotistical and selfish and I think he should only be used if we have injuries. He bottled it at Wembley. Plus is that he will be on small wages and can be sold pretty easy.

Red_Isle_Chap · « **Reply #17 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:55:39 am »

Has he scored since Lucas got injured?

Saint Kopite · « **Reply #18 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:55:47 am »

I don't think he is a bad player or anything. In fact he has some really good attributes which can be an asset for a mid table team but he ain't good enough for a team that aspires to challenge for trophies. For a central midfielder, his game intelligence is very poor and he takes ages before he releases the ball. The last part frustrates me big time because he has such a good range of passing.

ChristophLFC · « **Reply #19 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:57:08 am »

there was one moment in the second half that summed up charlie adam

i think we nicked the ball in the middle, adam went on a run and there was a chance to slip a ball through for henderson which he would of been clean though on goal but he decided to try and take on 2 players and lost the ball

leivapool · « **Reply #20 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:00:41 am »

Our worst midfielder yesterday in a midfield of Downing, Henderson and Spearing. Sums him up for me.

Lost possession 24 times yesterday, more than any other player. Possibly better than Poulsen as a squad option, although defensively they are on a par, and I'm sadly not joking.

As for the part of Adam's game that are supposed to make up for his woeful defensive contribution.......a corner that hits the side netting? Consistant corners that can't beat the first man...........my 12 year old could manage that and she's a girl!

leivapool · « **Reply #21 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:01:49 am »

Quote from: ChristophLFC on March 4, 2012, 09:57:08 am

there was one moment in the second half that summed up charlie adam

i think we nicked the ball in the middle, adam went on a run and there was a chance to slip a ball through for henderson which he would of been clean though on goal but he decided to try and take on 2 players and lost the ball

I think this was his 'contribution' in the 83rd minute. Pub league quality.

LiamG · « **Reply #22 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:02:48 am »

His position sense when defending is quite poor, There was a point in the match yesterday in the first half when Arsenal had an attack and Adam was tracking back, he didnt even notice that Rosicky was in acres of space and as the Arsenal got further forward Rosicky still un-marked in loads of space and Adam was just ball watching! The Attack came to nothing but still you cant leave a player like that with so much space on an attack!

IndianaRed · « **Reply #23 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:08:08 am »

I think the only thing that makes Adam worth having is his ambitious passing, but it was immediately identified as his biggest weakness too because it wasn't consistently good enough and it would break down play more often than it would help us out, and as a result he doesn't really do it anymore. I'm ok with that because I always thought it was extremely wasteful, but it makes me wonder what the point of having him is, or at least what the point of starting him is. He certainly can't deliver a corner or cross a ball without hitting it low and fast and nailing the first defender... so that isn't helpful.

that said, i know he's a bit better player than he was against arsenal. a bit.

leivapool · « **Reply #24 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:11:32 am »

Quote from: Red_Isle_Chap on March 4, 2012, 09:55:39 am

Has he scored since Lucas got injured?

He's only scored once from open play all season, way back when we beat a terrible Bolton side. His oother was a penalty.

Here are some interesting league stats:

Adam 2 goals from 26 games
Skrtel, 2 goals 24 games,
Gerrard 2 goals from 11 games
Maxi 2 goals from 7 games

Zlen · « **Reply #25 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:13:39 am »

I live in illusion that without injured players in our midfield he'd never get a game for Liverpool.
Bench player if I ever saw one, around 50-50 mix of decent skills and absolutely infuriating moments.
He becomes better if he plays further forward, but I'd much prefer to have someone with better peripheral vision playing there as Charlie's is severely limited - he mostly just refuses to see a teammate in clear goalscoring position.

Pie Eyed · « **Reply #26 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:16:35 am »

Charlie Adam really frustrated me yesterday, and I ended up blaming him for pretty much everything.

However, now that I've had a chance to reflect, I start to wonder....

Yes, he had a bad game overall, and the incident that other people have already mentioned with the pirouette instead of playing Henderson in was probably his worst.
But how much of his poor performance was caused because he was trying too hard to be the pivot?

With no Gerrard or Lucas, he looked to me like he was trying to lead the team around the pitch, and I just don't think that's a good role for him.
I just don't believe that he's quite good enough to lead the team.
He needs to play a secondary role to the primary CM.

As for the game overall, I still haven't fully calmed down. Once again, we had more than enough chances to kill the opposition off but as a team, we (yet again) failed to be anything like clinical.

bleedsred1978 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:19:01 am »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on March 4, 2012, 09:51:16 am

You can blame him for his poorly placed passes, his mis-timed tackles, his shite corners and his equally shite free-kicks though.

Yes but if we are scoring goals all that is much less of an issue. I think he just gets the brunt of it because of our results. I also think he should not be played as part of a two man midfield and even if he is he should never be the defensive one.

Kevend · « **Reply #28 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:19:38 am »

Why do you keep making threads?? Seriously, noone approves of him in the squad and every thread is instantly closed cause noone can face the truth that hes a terrible player.

Are you really trying to force a positive thread?

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #29 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:22:35 am »

He was abject yesterday.

Constantly lost possession with his passing, ran down blind alleys in to trouble, terrible set pieces and was as bad off the ball as he's ever been.

The amount of times he played a pass over his shoulder that ended up nowhere near a red shirt was infuriating. But the Charlie Adam show didnt stop there. He also managed to fit in such fan favourites as hitting the side netting with a corner, putting in a freekick that barely left the ground and running in to people in an attempt to tackle them.

Quite the repertoire he's got.

But by far the most annoying aspect to his game is his selfishness. Ill call it an aspect to his game now because there are far too many examples for them to be isolated incidents. This season we've seen Adam attacking the box with the ball with players alongside him better placed to have an effort on goal. Stoke and Fulham spring to mind immediately but im sure there are more. On both of those occasions he chose to ignore the player and try and score himself. Which he didnt. Yesterday he had Henderson making a great run through the middle, a simple 10 yard pass would have put him in 1 on 1. What did Adam do? He checked back on to his left foot and ran in to a bunch of Arsenal players.

The man fundamentally lacks game intelligence.

But he was still allowed to play the full 98mins.

wah00ey · « **Reply #30 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:28:40 am »

I thought he had a great first half - some lovely flicks and short passes as we brought the ball out of defence. He faded massively in the second half but you can't knock him for effort. He needs to improve in 2 areas - set pieces (WHAT is wrong with set pieces at Liverpool?) and his decision making. He'll do a job for us for a few years if he can do that - let's not get on his back too much. Don't anyone forget it's scoring goals that is the makor problem for us - we create enough chances FFS.

Percito · « **Reply #31 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:28:41 am »

We will almost certainly buy another midfielder in the summer with a first-team slot in mind. And when Gerrard, Lucas and Henderson are fit, I would expect all three to start in midfield. I actually think that Henderson has looked extremely promising when played in a central, box-to-box role rather than shoved out on the wing where he's been useless. Those three playing together will constitute a well-balanced, mobile, short-passing midfield and I'd be confident against pretty much anyone in that respect.

Xarlie Adam was a gamble, essentially putting a stake on the possibility that a player who looked great at Blackpool could bring up his level when slotted into a more accomplished team. Apart from the odd game, it's been a resounding failure. Can't see him sticking around as anything more than a benchwarmer beyond the summer. It isn't a disaster from a financial perspective anyway, I expect we could possibly recoup £5-7m on him. The real problem with the player is that he isn't dynamic enough or with good enough vision to play as the most advanced of a midfield three, and is far too poor defensively to play in a deep-lying Alonso or Pirlo role. He therefore ends up a passenger in 90% of games. I can't see the management diverging from this assessment once there is an actual choice as to whether to use his tubby arse in the centre of the park and everyone else is fit.

Il Capitano · « **Reply #32 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:29:45 am »

Quote from: Big m on March 4, 2012, 09:52:27 am

Ferguson fattened him up with his 'corners' alone being worth 10m comment. We bit.

Not really. I think we were already in for him, Ferguson was just being the auld twat that he is and trying to inflate his transfer fee for us.

I like him as a player, though he has his deficiencies. His lack of awareness for Henderson's run yesterday was abysmal and cost us a chance to win the game, yet other times he can see excellent passes before anyone else - Johnson's goal that won the game against Chelsea, for instance, was played into him beautifully by Adam to give him the chance to run at their defence.

It's a matter of trying to get the best out of his abilities. Too many times we buy a talented player from another club, to find that they cannot replicate the same performances with us, so then we give up on them and sell them at a loss - not a way of doing business that is in any way conducive to success. The club needs to stick with Adam and find the reason his set pieces aren't as good any more - is it his training regime not allowing any time for him to practice them?

So far, Bellamy's corners and set pieces have been the most impressive. Perhaps it is a confidence thing.

FlashingBlade · « **Reply #33 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:31:07 am »

Staimina is his issue...hopefully after a year of playing for Liverpool and a summer of preperation he will be be able to realise he has to be able to deliver over 90 minutes not 75.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #34 on:** March 4, 2012, 10:36:48 am »

A squad player elevated to the first team by injuries.

JamesLS7 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 4, 2012, 11:01:14 am »

Quote from: Kevend on March 4, 2012, 10:19:38 am

Why do you keep making threads?? Seriously, noone approves of him in the squad and every thread is instantly closed cause noone can face the truth that hes a terrible player.

Are you really trying to force a positive thread?

Because I enjoy a discussion.

As for forcing a positive thread, did you see my O.P?

Kevend · « **Reply #36 on:** March 4, 2012, 11:04:01 am »

Quote from: JamesLS7 on March 4, 2012, 11:01:14 am

Because I enjoy a discussion.

As for forcing a positive thread, did you see my O.P?

How can you say he never lost confidence? The guy takes forever to make a pass and often fails to see the easiest most logical one and give away the ball with terrible passing.
The only incentive to even play for us is his wages. He's hardly putting 100% effort into the game.

JamesLS7 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 4, 2012, 11:05:47 am »

Quote from: Kevend on March 4, 2012, 11:04:01 am

How can you say he never lost confidence? The guy takes forever to make a pass and often fails to see the easiest most logical one and give away the ball with terrible passing.
The only incentive to even play for us is his wages. He's hardly putting 100% effort into the game.

He never lost confidence because quite clearly he tried the hollywood ball time and time again no matter how many times he fucked it up, which was a lot yesterday.

Its a admirable yet fucking frustrating quality of his.

Jellies · « **Reply #38 on:** March 4, 2012, 11:06:24 am »

Spearing and Adam are getting a lot of stick for their game yesterday, but the truth is that we dominated that midfield for 90 minutes. They won close to every single duel and created chances. Adam had a lot of bad passes, but in his role the mistakes are very obvious to spot. He played very well defensively in my opinion.

silver 5 star · « **Reply #39 on:** March 4, 2012, 11:09:54 am »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on March 4, 2012, 09:39:44 am

I wasn't happy when we were first linked with him. I thought 'big fish, small pond' scenario. Then I thought atleast if we sign him we'll have someone who is good at set-piece deliveries and and is good at penalties aswell. But he doesn't even seem to have that in his locker anymore.

Agree re: this. How you can fuck up a corner is beyond me. Fair enough taking a free kick at goal it's difficult getting past the wall but a corner - or a free kick which is a cross into the box?

Deffo disappointed with his delivery from dead balls