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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #400 on: July 30, 2012, 10:56:07 pm »


He is a very impulsive player and doesn't do well when he has a lot of time on the ball such as in central midfield. I do think he has a good eye for a through ball which he can utilize when playing just behind the striker. The main problem is weather or not he has the legs to drop back and help out defensively when playing as the third man in midfield and then get back up the pitch when we have the ball.
Agreed. And one additional problem is that he is approaching that dangerous period in his career when he might be content to live off of his past laurels, especially now being England's captain alonside Mr. Liverpool. As with Rafa, dealing with Gerrard will be a difficult task for Rodgers.
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #401 on: July 30, 2012, 10:58:40 pm »
This is so true. I have often called Gerrard unintelligent in the last few years but that is because I now see him as a central midfielder. As a central midfielder, he has very poor inteligence and decision making. However, when he plays of the striker, he seems to have great decision making and intelligence. I hope to God that Rodgers realizes what Rafa did, that Gerrard needs to play just off the striker.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #402 on: July 30, 2012, 10:59:27 pm »
This is beyond stupid.

Maybe I'm talking out of my arse, but I'd be keen to know our league form with and without Gerrard in the team last season, then for example to compare it against our league form with and without Lucas in the team.

Given your username my concern is that your view isn't necessarily unbiased.
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #403 on: July 30, 2012, 10:59:56 pm »
This is beyond stupid.

as is most of the thread...
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #404 on: July 30, 2012, 11:25:32 pm »

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #405 on: July 30, 2012, 11:27:26 pm »
as is most of the thread...

Care to explain what has been so stupid about this thread?

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #406 on: July 30, 2012, 11:39:58 pm »
Care to explain what has been so stupid about this thread?

pages 1 to 11...
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #407 on: July 30, 2012, 11:50:03 pm »
We cannot expect a full injury free season from Gerrard. we cannot get 45 starts from him. maybe 19 PL starts and 19 sub appearances if needed. no need to play him in EL or cup games unless in very late stages. this could prolong him and keep him fresh.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #408 on: July 30, 2012, 11:52:17 pm »
pages 1 to 11...

You wait till you read page 12 don't want to peak too early !
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #409 on: July 31, 2012, 12:12:02 am »
All these people belittling those showing genuine concern about the value that Gerrard has been adding to our team and rightly pointing out that over the last 3 seasons we've managed better results (i.e. points) without him in the team than with him in... why? I understand he has been a legend, and we all hope that he can turn it on again, and given his slightly better performances at he Euros, maybe he can. But surely blind stupid faith is more damaging to our side than anything? Maybe it is just right that we wouldnt have been through all of the recent heartache if we'd figured out how to get more out of a changing Stevie than struggling through with him anchoring our midfield sometimes.

These threads always frustrate me because there seems to be a general blindness around this issue.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #410 on: July 31, 2012, 12:50:43 am »
I don't think we'll have another midfielder as well-rounded as Gerrard was for a long time. I personally think Gerrard was at his best during 2007-2009 when he played in the number 10 position. He was able to have a free role throughout the pitch because Xabi and Masch were there to control the middle. The only person in our club that I believe can fill that role is Suso . He definitely has attacking abilities comparable to Gerrard, he was probably the best player on Spain's U19 team this summer. I'm not saying he's as well rounded as Gerrard but he certainly can play that number 10 role if we have someone like Lucas and someone else that's able to control the game like Xabi can. But then again, not many people can do what Xabi does...God I miss him

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #411 on: July 31, 2012, 01:15:23 am »
All these people belittling those showing genuine concern about the value that Gerrard has been adding to our team and rightly pointing out that over the last 3 seasons we've managed better results (i.e. points) without him in the team than with him in... why? I understand he has been a legend, and we all hope that he can turn it on again, and given his slightly better performances at he Euros, maybe he can. But surely blind stupid faith is more damaging to our side than anything? Maybe it is just right that we wouldnt have been through all of the recent heartache if we'd figured out how to get more out of a changing Stevie than struggling through with him anchoring our midfield sometimes.

These threads always frustrate me because there seems to be a general blindness around this issue.

It's crystal clear to me, play him deep in midfield and we either lose out or just do ok in the main, play him as part of an attacking unit and we all prosper. The problem is it's a debate that's been done to death and not many fancy going over it again. Wouldn't call it a blindness, just a near pointless exercise as the time is gone now: whatever is done now, the time for the player's best aligning with the team's best to get us major titles is gone. Even if we played him in the three up top, he gets 15 goals and 10 assists next season, there are too many flaws in the squad (even with some astute signings) to get us the league title.

With Gerrard, don't think it's a matter of turning it 'on' again mate. It's all still there; it's where and how to play him. I remember watching him in his early years, his debut goal against Sheffield Wednesday when he dummied his way past two players and finished; remember thinking "Here's a guy who can lock down the right flank for the next 15 years". Curse the day he got it into his head that he fancied 'taking a game by the scruff of the neck'.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #412 on: July 31, 2012, 02:02:07 am »
It's crystal clear to me, play him deep in midfield and we either lose out or just do ok in the main, play him as part of an attacking unit and we all prosper. The problem is it's a debate that's been done to death and not many fancy going over it again. Wouldn't call it a blindness, just a near pointless exercise as the time is gone now: whatever is done now, the time for the player's best aligning with the team's best to get us major titles is gone. Even if we played him in the three up top, he gets 15 goals and 10 assists next season, there are too many flaws in the squad (even with some astute signings) to get us the league title.

With Gerrard, don't think it's a matter of turning it 'on' again mate. It's all still there; it's where and how to play him. I remember watching him in his early years, his debut goal against Sheffield Wednesday when he dummied his way past two players and finished; remember thinking "Here's a guy who can lock down the right flank for the next 15 years". Curse the day he got it into his head that he fancied 'taking a game by the scruff of the neck'.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #413 on: July 31, 2012, 02:27:14 am »
It's crystal clear to me, play him deep in midfield and we either lose out or just do ok in the main, play him as part of an attacking unit and we all prosper. The problem is it's a debate that's been done to death and not many fancy going over it again. Wouldn't call it a blindness, just a near pointless exercise as the time is gone now: whatever is done now, the time for the player's best aligning with the team's best to get us major titles is gone. Even if we played him in the three up top, he gets 15 goals and 10 assists next season, there are too many flaws in the squad (even with some astute signings) to get us the league title.

With Gerrard, don't think it's a matter of turning it 'on' again mate. It's all still there; it's where and how to play him. I remember watching him in his early years, his debut goal against Sheffield Wednesday when he dummied his way past two players and finished; remember thinking "Here's a guy who can lock down the right flank for the next 15 years". Curse the day he got it into his head that he fancied 'taking a game by the scruff of the neck'.

You make it seem like he has had a failed career.

Curse the day? He was very good as a box to box centre midfielder in his earlier days.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #414 on: August 2, 2012, 08:30:43 pm »
Needs to stop playing the long ball.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #415 on: August 2, 2012, 08:32:21 pm »
Needs to stop playing the long ball.

He needs to stop dallying on the ball as well. He keeps getting caught out and giving the ball away. Been our poorest player tonight, fortunately we know that won't be a regular occurence.
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #416 on: August 2, 2012, 08:52:37 pm »
He needs to play further up the pitch, think it will happen when lucas starts more games.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #417 on: August 2, 2012, 08:53:26 pm »
Was fucking terrible, expect Andy to have a field day, hope this was a one off

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #418 on: August 2, 2012, 08:53:51 pm »
Loved seeing him farther forward in the second half. Really hope he stays there this season. Poor game though.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #419 on: August 2, 2012, 08:54:41 pm »
the long ball belongs under roy hodgson, and we see he is still being confused after the euros
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #420 on: August 2, 2012, 09:04:12 pm »
Lacks match practice and training with the new system. Hope that gets better in time.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #421 on: August 2, 2012, 09:04:46 pm »
Was fucking terrible, expect Andy to have a field day, hope this was a one off

If Gerrard is asked to play in Central midfield, it won't be.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #422 on: August 2, 2012, 09:05:26 pm »
When he plays deep and collects the ball, he rarely does much good for us.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #423 on: August 2, 2012, 09:06:25 pm »
anyone trying to judge any player this soon is a total muppet in my opinion!
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #424 on: August 2, 2012, 09:12:20 pm »
anyone trying to judge any player this soon is a total muppet in my opinion!
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #425 on: August 2, 2012, 09:19:29 pm »
It was just a more rusty version of performances he had playing in a 4-3-3 last season. Newcastle away, United away, Chelsea FA Cup Final. Those games stick out in my mind as evidence that the more time he spends sat on the half way line when we're in possession the more time he will just spend collecting balls off the centre back and attempting to play 40 yard straight balls to lone, isolated centre forwards.

I'm pleased Rodgers made the adjustment and pushed him up alongside Borini in the second half. That's really encouraging from the manager for me.

EDIT: Hope it doesn't come across like I'm criticising Gerrard here. It's just a square peg in round hole thing that was frustrating far too often last season.
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #426 on: August 2, 2012, 09:20:27 pm »
He needs to get fit, obviously. So do half of the squad, to be expected.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #427 on: August 2, 2012, 09:25:55 pm »
Didn't watch the game but heard Carra was captain dispite Gerrard playing. When Gerrard plays hes captain, why was this not the case today?
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #428 on: August 2, 2012, 09:27:53 pm »
Didn't watch the game but heard Carra was captain dispite Gerrard playing. When Gerrard plays hes captain, why was this not the case today?

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #429 on: August 2, 2012, 09:29:32 pm »
Didn't watch the game but heard Carra was captain dispite Gerrard playing. When Gerrard plays hes captain, why was this not the case today?
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #430 on: August 2, 2012, 09:32:31 pm »
hes an attacking midfielder. Not a central midfielder. I actually think hes really poor when just played in centre mid. Doesnt really have a clue what to do, whereas when hes played further forward, his main incentive is to score/create goals, which hes very good at.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #431 on: August 2, 2012, 09:33:00 pm »
Get him further forward.

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« Reply #432 on: August 2, 2012, 09:34:07 pm »
I thought him much improved when he was moved further up.

Hopefully Rodgers sees it the same way and keeps him there  :wave

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #433 on: August 2, 2012, 09:40:14 pm »
Rodgers passing football 0 Gerrard Hollywood ball 1. Steven Gerrard he plays how he wants.
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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #434 on: August 2, 2012, 10:01:04 pm »
A player doesn't need to be fit to not hit aimless long balls, get caught on the ball and generally play anti-pass-and-move football! As most of us know Stevie is wasted in CM, if he continues to be played there - regardless of what he wants, there is something fishy going on!


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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #435 on: August 2, 2012, 10:04:14 pm »
A player doesn't need to be fit to not hit aimless long balls, get caught on the ball and generally play anti-pass-and-move football! As most of us know Stevie is wasted in CM, if he continues to be played there - regardless of what he wants, there is something fishy going on!

I guess Rodgers noticed that he was wasted in CM, that's why he moved him up. Given that his performance improved after that, I doubt that he'll stay in CM for long.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #436 on: August 2, 2012, 10:08:34 pm »
Rodgers passing football 0 Gerrard Hollywood ball 1. Steven Gerrard he plays how he wants.

Tbf Al the difference was night and day when gerrard moved out of midfield when Rogers but brought lucas on. Gerrard was actually useful than rather than just a hindrance and we kept possession much better two. Can see why Rogers wants allen and also it shows that our best formation is 4-2-3-1 not 433 as gerrard will end up coming way to deep and being just a problem rather imo.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #437 on: August 2, 2012, 10:09:26 pm »
Rodgers passing football 0 Gerrard Hollywood ball 1. Steven Gerrard he plays how he wants.
Get a grip. Gerrard was just rusty as fuck and it showed.

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« Reply #438 on: August 2, 2012, 10:10:32 pm »
Rodgers passing football 0 Gerrard Hollywood ball 1. Steven Gerrard he plays how he wants.
That is what stood out for me tonight like a sore thumb, he lacks the discipline to play deep or CM. I think Henderson suffers from playing alongside him also.

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Re: A future without Steven Gerrard
« Reply #439 on: August 2, 2012, 10:11:11 pm »
Can we not tie his shoe laces together?