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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19680 on: June 16, 2022, 11:39:51 pm »
A street in front of the Saudi embassy in Washington DC has been renamed after Jamal Khashoggi, whose murder by Saudi agents caused shock around the world.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61831193
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19681 on: June 16, 2022, 11:47:56 pm »
A street in front of the Saudi embassy in Washington DC has been renamed after Jamal Khashoggi, whose murder by Saudi agents caused shock around the world.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61831193
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19682 on: June 17, 2022, 09:47:20 am »
A street in front of the Saudi embassy in Washington DC has been renamed after Jamal Khashoggi, whose murder by Saudi agents caused shock around the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61831193

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19683 on: June 26, 2022, 01:33:06 pm »
Ken Early: Sportswashing suggests guilt when it’s more likely the Saudis are not embarrassed at all

Kingdom trying to buy the world’s attention through LIV Golf and Newcastle

How sad that the Saudi-backed LIV Golf tour started a couple of weeks after the Premier League finished up for the season, or we would have had running commentary from the golf-obsessed football managers, mined from their regular press conferences.

Eddie Howe, the golf-loving manager of Saudi Newcastle (whose chairman Yassir Al-Rumayyan is also, in his capacity as head of Saudi’s Public Investment Fund, one of the faces of LIV Golf), would clearly have been absolutely ecstatic. Not only would the LIV guys be making more great golf for him to watch, but Phil Mickelson’s press conference performances were promising to take a bit of heat off his own.

You can imagine that Pep Guardiola, another golf nut, would also have been prepared to offer an optimistic take on the interaction of new investment and legacy sporting structures. It’s harder to guess who would have emerged as the golf traditionalists among the Premier League managers, but most of them would surely have had some thoughts about the tectonic potential of the state cash that had erupted into the world of the PGA Tour, since in football this process has been ongoing for some time.

The PGA commissioner Jay Monahan wrote a letter to the rebel golfers which included the sentence: “I am certain our fans and partners — who are surely tired of all this talk of money, money and more money — will continue to be entertained and compelled by the world-class competition you display each and every week, where there are true consequences for every shot you take and your rightful place in history whenever you reach that elusive winner’s circle.”

Don’t get distracted by the fact the sentence doesn’t really hang together grammatically and simply savour the marvel of the PGA Commissioner suggesting that PGA Tour partners (such as Fortune, Citigroup, Amazon Web Services, Morgan Stanley and Bet MGM) must be getting bored by all this money talk.

“Why is this group spending so much money — billions of dollars — recruiting players and chasing a concept with no possibility of a return?” Monahan wondered in an interview last week. The answer, as Monahan well knows, is that they’re not in it for the return. This is about something else.

It’s at this point that we are confronted with the slippery concept of sportswashing, which increasingly feels like the wrong way to describe whatever this is. The presence of that word “washing” suggests an impulse that originates in guilt, in the consciousness of a need to get clean; it implies an awareness that there is something dirty that needs to be washed away by the cleansing lather of big-time sporting events.

Psychologically the theory of sportswashing doesn’t fit with what we see around us every day. In the real world when you are accused of doing something bad, you don’t respond by pointing to something fun and cool that you are also involved in, as though that sort-of-compensates for the bad thing. In the real world you respond to accusations with counter-accusations and whataboutery.

That’s what LIV Golf CEO Greg Norman was doing yesterday, pointing out that many of the PGA Tour sponsors (the ones Monahan thought were probably bored of talking about money) were doing business with Saudi Arabia while the Tour squawked about the evils of Saudi money.

“Why is it okay for them? Why is it not okay for these players?... The hypocrisy in all this, it’s so loud. It’s deafening,” Norman said. The apparent logic is that since governments and corporations do bad things, it’s hypocritical to accuse individuals of also doing bad things. Britain sells arms to Saudi Arabia, therefore everything is permitted. Even Machiavelli shrank from the notion that each one of us should act in our private lives as though we were the warlord of an Italian city state, but to Greg Norman and many other top sportsmen this ethical outlook apparently makes intuitive sense.

Unlike the theory of sportswashing. It’s clear an attempt is under way to buy the world’s attention, but might this not be an end in itself rather than a means to an end? Whom or what do we think is getting washed, and why? Why should we imagine that the Middle Eastern aristocrats pumping in billions to take over sports feel some restless anxiety to be clean, when most of us wouldn’t recognise dirt if it fell on our heads?

Think back to that memorable press conference at Stamford Bridge last March, after Newcastle lost 1-0 to Chelsea, and Eddie Howe was asked what he thought about the fact that the previous day, the Saudi government had put 81 people to death in what international media were calling the kingdom’s largest mass execution in decades. “I’m just going to answer questions on the game and on football,” said Howe, apparently unwilling to take a public position either for or against mass executions.

But if the Newcastle manager’s views on the issue remain a mystery, the Saudi state’s views surely do not. If the government of Saudi Arabia, embodied in the person of the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, felt that the execution of 81 prisoners in one day was in some way embarrassing or shameful or damaging to the image of Saudi Arabia, maybe they wouldn’t have carried out those executions in such a blaze of publicity.

The truth is that the mass killing was not something to be swept under the carpet or distracted from or somehow compensated for by a winning Premier League team or 54-hole golf tournaments or anything else. It was conceived as a spectacular, deliberately designed to inspire shock and awe. Behold the implacable power of the state, behold the iron will of the ruler, oppose us at your peril. The gruesome murder of Jamal Khashoggi was, likewise, a message.

Talk of sportswashing suggests the people who ordered such killings feel somehow guilty about it, or at least embarrassed by the reaction, and are trying to use sport to cast themselves in a more flattering light. It seems more likely they are not embarrassed at all - that the mass executions and the sporting spectaculars are manifestations of the same will that serve the same ultimate end: to bathe their commissioners in reflected glory.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19684 on: June 26, 2022, 03:42:26 pm »


£81m for the toon defence.  That's £1m for every person killed in the mass one-day Saudi execution in March...

Fuck the toon. 
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19685 on: June 27, 2022, 07:14:54 pm »
🤝 We are delighted to announce that @noon has become the club's official sleeve sponsor for the 2022/23 Premier League season!


noon is an online marketplace in the Middle East. Selling fashion, electronics, beauty, home & baby products online in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and all UAE.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19686 on: June 27, 2022, 07:18:18 pm »
🤝 We are delighted to announce that @noon has become the club's official sleeve sponsor for the 2022/23 Premier League season!


noon is an online marketplace in the Middle East. Selling fashion, electronics, beauty, home & baby products online in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and all UAE.

It begins. I'm sure it'll be a fair and competitive rate.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19687 on: June 27, 2022, 07:18:57 pm »
Noon - a company which is run privately - is backed to the tune of billions of dollars by investors including...Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund. Which also owns Newcastle and is tasked with investing funds on behalf of the Saudi Arabian government.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19688 on: June 27, 2022, 07:20:36 pm »
🤝 We are delighted to announce that @noon has become the club's official sleeve sponsor for the 2022/23 Premier League season!


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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19689 on: June 27, 2022, 07:26:47 pm »
It begins. I'm sure it'll be a fair and competitive rate.

Well if an airline that has lost $5.62 billion in the past 6 years can afford the £65 million a season, then a company worth billions can easily afford £500m over the length of the deal.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19690 on: June 27, 2022, 07:28:52 pm »

I believe they might have given Richard Masters legally binding assurances that they are not related to the Saudi state( Newcastle’s owners) so it’s all above board.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19691 on: June 27, 2022, 07:35:20 pm »
I believe they might have given Richard Masters legally binding assurances that they are not related to the Saudi state( Newcastle’s owners) so it’s all above board.



If I were a company selling goods in the Middle East, I could think of better places to advertise than in a country that’s not in the Middle East. I know football is global, but if they intend to be number one in the region it’s not much good is it?. Unless everyone in the Middle East is going to watch Newcastle now. Why am I biting!! Its not supposed to make economic sense is it.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19692 on: June 27, 2022, 08:12:20 pm »
🤝 We are delighted to announce that @noon has become the club's official sleeve sponsor for the 2022/23 Premier League season!


noon is an online marketplace in the Middle East. Selling fashion, electronics, beauty, home & baby products online in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and all UAE.

Must be an arm's length transaction.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19693 on: June 28, 2022, 11:43:23 am »
The Saudi’s have unveiled their new third kit for their football club, in the Saudi green and white. It doesn’t have a big red stain on it tho. 

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19694 on: June 28, 2022, 11:49:21 am »
I wonder how much they got for that sleeve sponsor.

A suspiciously large amount per chance?
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19695 on: June 28, 2022, 11:50:21 am »
The Saudi’s have unveiled their new third kit for their football club, in the Saudi green and white. It doesn’t have a big red stain on it tho. 

The Premier League is fucking embarrasing. The Saudis are laughing at that arms length agreement - the premier league are getting pi$$ed on and they do fuck all about it!

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19696 on: June 28, 2022, 06:01:01 pm »
The Saudi’s have unveiled their new third kit for their football club, in the Saudi green and white. It doesn’t have a big red stain on it tho. 

The players look genuinely excited ...


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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19697 on: June 28, 2022, 06:01:35 pm »
Richard Masters is fucking useless.

Reports are saying it's £7.5 million a year, the previous sleeve sponsor was £5 million a year.

I expect it will quadruple to £30 million a year the 24-25 season and the PL will do fuck all.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19698 on: June 28, 2022, 06:04:18 pm »
Richard Masters is fucking useless.

To be fair, pretty sure he was forced into accepting the takeover by King Boris.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19699 on: June 28, 2022, 08:38:30 pm »

You got money you can do whatever you want in the UK. Not just football.

Someone here was saying big part of the issue is fans turning a blind eye, well everyone was talking about Newcastle future sponsorships even clubs had a meetings to stop them from doing a City and look at what happened. The EPl is not a joke only but also controlled by politicians who will do anything for money.


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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19701 on: July 5, 2022, 02:40:02 pm »
Mainz fans are fucking brilliant.




https://twitter.com/ConnorAndrewsTS/status/1543949890883145730
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« Reply #19702 on: July 5, 2022, 03:06:55 pm »
It’s a shame we can’t refuse to play Saudi and Abu Dhabi in the league.

Actually the only way we can stop this charade is by speaking to the rest of the 17 clubs (if Chelsea is now cleared from this) and all teams refuse to play against City and Newcastle. That is what the Germans team would have done. Dont think the English clubs will ever do that though.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19703 on: July 5, 2022, 04:49:35 pm »
Mainz fans are fucking brilliant.




https://twitter.com/ConnorAndrewsTS/status/1543949890883145730

They are indeed fantastic, most German clubs’ fans are like this. 1860 Munich fans also up in arms at their clubs agreeing to friendlies with Newcastle.  One of their fan groups hung a banner at their training camp with the message “Against sportswashing! F*** the Sheikhs!”

I would love for Mainz to cancel it now, they are meeting to review the decision today I think.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19704 on: July 5, 2022, 09:36:37 pm »
Actually the only way we can stop this charade is by speaking to the rest of the 17 clubs (if Chelsea is now cleared from this) and all teams refuse to play against City and Newcastle. That is what the Germans team would have done. Dont think the English clubs will ever do that though.

It not happen in the UK for sure.

Too many fans would welcome these types sad but true.

Listen to even G.Nev on Sky  didnt say anything about Saudis as he wishes they got Utd.

Most clubs/fans dont care enough to force anything.

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« Reply #19705 on: July 25, 2022, 08:20:27 pm »
Interesting read about the future of St James Park, I didn't know the new owners rejected the idea of moving away from the current site. Be interesting to see what happens to St James Park, it's a bit of an oddity of a Stadium, and there seems to be a number of issues in expanding it.

https://true-faith.co.uk/st-james-park-an-experts-eye-on-expanding-newcastle-uniteds-home/
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19706 on: July 26, 2022, 07:37:19 pm »
Tala Safwan: Egyptian TikToker held in Saudi over 'immoral' video https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-62289674

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19707 on: August 10, 2022, 09:27:06 am »
It's been really encouraging to see the group of Newcastle fans (NUFC Against Sportswashing), who have started to post on twitter who are opposing what their horrible owners stand for and attempting to re-educate their fellow fans. We really need to get behind groups like this who are making a stand. It's been quality seeing the likes of human right activists like Nicholas McGeehan retweeting and acknowledging how important it is that people are bothered enough to at least try re-educating the masses who prefer to block their ears. If you are active on twitter please support this group who have already put some really good articles out there on the political situation in Saudi Arabia.

Isn't it strange how their is no Manchester City equivalent? A fan base who gone in with Abu Dhabi with both feet, sadly.
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« Reply #19708 on: August 10, 2022, 09:34:12 am »
Interesting read about the future of St James Park, I didn't know the new owners rejected the idea of moving away from the current site. Be interesting to see what happens to St James Park, it's a bit of an oddity of a Stadium, and there seems to be a number of issues in expanding it.

https://true-faith.co.uk/st-james-park-an-experts-eye-on-expanding-newcastle-uniteds-home/

I hope they move it to the desert.

I know Premier League rules currently forbid clubs to play matches outside England or Wales, but if the Saudi government throws enough brass their way I'm sure they would waive the rules and allow Newcastle to relocate to Hafar al Batin.
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« Reply #19709 on: August 10, 2022, 10:33:59 am »
I hope they move it to the desert.

I know Premier League rules currently forbid clubs to play matches outside England or Wales, but if the Saudi government throws enough brass their way I'm sure they would waive the rules and allow Newcastle to relocate to Hafar al Batin.
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« Reply #19710 on: August 10, 2022, 10:45:34 am »
It's been really encouraging to see the group of Newcastle fans (NUFC Against Sportswashing), who have started to post on twitter who are opposing what their horrible owners stand for and attempting to re-educate their fellow fans. We really need to get behind groups like this who are making a stand. It's been quality seeing the likes of human right activists like Nicholas McGeehan retweeting and acknowledging how important it is that people are bothered enough to at least try re-educating the masses who prefer to block their ears. If you are active on twitter please support this group who have already put some really good articles out there on the political situation in Saudi Arabia.

Isn't it strange how their is no Manchester City equivalent? A fan base who gone in with Abu Dhabi with both feet, sadly.

It is good some are taking a stand but they will get drown out by the masses.

You only have to look at Shearer put the boot in on Chelsea with Putin links etc but says nowt about his hometown club.

Most of them think they are entitled to Saudi money after Ashley.

They want to get a grip really they havent had it that bad in last 15-20 years some fans have lost their clubs ie Bury.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19711 on: August 10, 2022, 10:47:46 am »
It's been really encouraging to see the group of Newcastle fans (NUFC Against Sportswashing), who have started to post on twitter who are opposing what their horrible owners stand for and attempting to re-educate their fellow fans. We really need to get behind groups like this who are making a stand. It's been quality seeing the likes of human right activists like Nicholas McGeehan retweeting and acknowledging how important it is that people are bothered enough to at least try re-educating the masses who prefer to block their ears. If you are active on twitter please support this group who have already put some really good articles out there on the political situation in Saudi Arabia.

Isn't it strange how their is no Manchester City equivalent? A fan base who gone in with Abu Dhabi with both feet, sadly.

The world seems a completely different place now compared to when City got bought out - I can't remember much cover at all regarding ethics when Abu Dhabi got involved, same when Roman got involved at Chelsea.  We are all so much more aware of issues than we did 15 years ago.  City fans seem already a bit far down the road to backtrack on the owners unfortunately

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19712 on: August 10, 2022, 11:14:25 am »
It is good some are taking a stand but they will get drown out by the masses.

You only have to look at Shearer put the boot in on Chelsea with Putin links etc but says nowt about his hometown club.

Most of them think they are entitled to Saudi money after Ashley.

They want to get a grip really they havent had it that bad in last 15-20 years some fans have lost their clubs ie Bury.

Why do we do this, just automatically go negative on it? If groups like this get supported on twitter no matter who you support it grows, it doesn't get lost on the wind as you are saying. All protest groups start off from low down, it's how you build it that matters. It just makes me despair how so many don't see the bigger picture here.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19713 on: August 10, 2022, 11:49:55 am »
Why do we do this, just automatically go negative on it? If groups like this get supported on twitter no matter who you support it grows, it doesn't get lost on the wind as you are saying. All protest groups start off from low down, it's how you build it that matters. It just makes me despair how so many don't see the bigger picture here.

Its not negative its a reality nobody in football or govt seem to care and that is because lots of money is going to the right people.

I like the fact they are standing up to it im not against it my opinion is it will be on deaf ears.

Look at where next World Cup is lots of people have had a go but FIFA just carry on and its only a matter of time before the Saudis get it.

Personally most of the geordie fan base disgust me they couldnt wait for these animals to take over oh and lets not forget the "feed the scousers" shite they sing as if it is like Knightsbridge up there.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19714 on: August 17, 2022, 02:06:42 am »
Hope their fans don't go on a Twitter rant when they start losing a few games on the trot.

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Saudi woman given 34-year prison sentence for using Twitter

Salma al-Shehab, a Leeds University student, was charged with following and retweeting dissidents and activists

A Saudi student at Leeds University who had returned home to the kingdom for a holiday has been sentenced to 34 years in prison for having a Twitter account and for following and retweeting dissidents and activists.

The sentencing by Saudi’s special terrorist court was handed down weeks after the US president Joe Biden’s visit to Saudi Arabia, which human rights activists had warned could embolden the kingdom to escalate its crackdown on dissidents and other pro-democracy activists.

The case also marks the latest example of how the crown prince Mohammed bin Salman has targeted Twitter users in his campaign of repression, while simultaneously controlling a major indirect stake in the US social media company through Saudi’s sovereign wealth fund, the Public Investment Fund (PIF).

Salma al-Shehab, 34, a mother of two young children, was initially sentenced to three years in prison for the “crime” of using an internet website to “cause public unrest and destabilise civil and national security”. But an appeals court on Monday handed down the new sentence – 34 years in prison followed by a 34-year travel ban – after a public prosecutor asked the court to consider other alleged crimes.

According to a translation of the court records, which were seen by the Guardian, the new charges include the allegation that Shehab was “assisting those who seek to cause public unrest and destabilise civil and national security by following their Twitter accounts” and by re-tweeting their tweets. It is believed that Shehab may still be able to seek a new appeal in the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19715 on: August 17, 2022, 06:43:16 am »
Hope their fans don't go on a Twitter rant when they start losing a few games on the trot.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19716 on: August 17, 2022, 08:17:33 am »
Fit and proper owners.

They're not related. The Premier League has legally binding assurances.
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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19717 on: August 17, 2022, 08:26:02 am »
They're not related. The Premier League has legally binding assurances.
Of course , I forgot. I’m glad that’s sorted as I was concerned despotic regimes were taking over our game. Luckily we have Richard Masters and CAS protecting the integrity of our game.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19718 on: August 17, 2022, 08:37:35 am »
Won’t be long before people who can’t afford to heat their homes are wearing shirts with Aramco on it, I’ll bet.

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Re: Newcastle United - RIP Jamal Khashoggi
« Reply #19719 on: August 17, 2022, 08:56:08 am »
Hope their fans don't go on a Twitter rant when they start losing a few games on the trot.


I was about to post the same news story.

Love Eddie Howe's thoughts on this.
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