Topic: General Manchester City thread

[HelterSkelter]

our support makes others feel inadequate about their our support (which, when i was young every other club thought theirs was of a similar standard, but its pretty universally accepted that we generate the best atmosphere in England by a country mile)

So much so that they make up songs about us to try to bond their fans in a similar spirit. Everton Chelsea Man Utd and now Man city. It didn't help them.
Everytime the dickheads fall in the trap of not supporting their own team.
It has a bounce with their side that are in conflict with us at the time and bonds them, but that side gets broken up and new lads come in with non of the angst and need supporting in their own right, but all they get are songs about a team who already have 50000 cheering them on. pretty soon your in Evertons position where you only have 2 matches a year to look forward too

We've seen off Everton, Chelsea, and looking increasing like UTD too without making up a song about them, keep them coming dickheads

[rob1966]

I was in Manchester yesterday shopping.

I find it hilarious Mancs call anyone related to Liverpool as "Bin Dippers" when you see the zombified homeless dwelling people in the city centre.

I know the city has a shocking problem with those dangerous legal highs, but what a blight on the city when you see people leaning against lamposts and walls in such a zombiefied state in the mdidle of the day, even my 3 year old daughter was pointing at some of them when we were walking past them.

Worst homeless dwelling city i've seen is LA downtown in Skidrow and Manchester is on the brink of something like that.

The city has problems all over the place, but the centre is the worst.

Spice has attracted a lot of people from outside of Manchester to the Piccadilly Gardens area and it has caused a recent explosion of the amount of homeless on the streets, my wife was shopping there a few months ago and was shocked at the amount of homeless compared to the last time.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

And what were they on to them for ? They had a business plan that was built on sand with all the money leveraged against the club.  It would lead to a shit team which it did.

Not really comparable to an ownership who deliver 4 titles ?

If you really think that we’re that special a fan base that would turn on an ownership who deliver success then you are deluded, the vast majority of us would turn a blind eye.  Therefore it was a crap comparison to make.

I'm guessing you don't live in Liverpool?

You don't seem to know us that well. People in Liverpool generally stand up to a lot of things.

[CraigDS]

I'm guessing you don't live in Liverpool?

You don't seem to know us that well. People in Liverpool generally stand up to a lot of things.

Was about to make a similar reply.

Whilst I expect we'd have plenty of fans who would turn a blind eye for success, in fact I know we would because I've had countless debates on here with those who said they want a sugar daddy type owner, there are huge amounts of fans who would not be happy one bit if we had City's owners and would 100% make themselves heard.

[Ma Vie en Rouge]

And many on here would be disgusted if we ended up with owners like that. There would be protests and demands for change, I guarantee you. In any case, City actually have these owners, and very little is being reported about it, which is the issue here - not some hypothetical situation.

[Qston]

And what were they on to them for ? They had a business plan that was built on sand with all the money leveraged against the club.  It would lead to a shit team which it did.

Not really comparable to an ownership who deliver 4 titles ?

If you really think that we’re that special a fan base that would turn on an ownership who deliver success then you are deluded, the vast majority of us would turn a blind eye.  Therefore it was a crap comparison to make.

I get the cynicism in the post as football fans are fickle by nature. That said, when others have been linked with ownership of our club (for example Chinese companies), the response from a lot of fans, including on here, was swift in its unease and highlighting the records of some of who have been interested over the years.

As a fanbase, and certainly around here (i.e. Merseyside), many fans I speak to most certainly have a view that it isn`t success at all costs.

[Floydy]

I get this is an opportunity to stick the knife into them, but honestly if you think our fans would turn on ownership that delivered success you’re completely deluded, the internet warriors would defend the club in exactly the same way and the majority would turn a blind eye.

And to compare to our protests is ridiculous, do you think we’d of done that if the Hicks/Gillette model had worked.  The protests were because we were shit, selling our best players and buying crap ones.

Utter utter nonsense, where you even around at  that  time circa 2007?
1 thing you are  right about  though is that  fans would defend them albeit they never delievered success, but  they still had support from those that  would say  "ssshhhhhhhh   just get behind the team will ya"

Even club legends were at it     rather dissapointingly Roy Evans who spoke bitterly about fan protests at the time , and of course David Doc Johnson who rather embarrsingly now (and at the  time) used  to  bleat and bang the drum about how he had met hicks and gilette at an event  and they  were fit  and proper owners with teh clubs best intentions at heart.  So not  everybody was a) onto them and b) up for protesting.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Utter utter nonsense, where you even around at  that  time circa 2007?

You don't even need to look that far back. We protested at decisions FSG made after they appointed Klopp and we were on our way to a Europa League final and I'm sure we'd do the same now if they made a decision that warranted it, despite our on field success.

[Floydy]

On a side note, i see Sterling has come out as a closet Man U fan.  Also find his comments about  their fans rivalry with us   utter plastico, synthetic & pathetic.   The only times he hears their fans roaring  is when the scousers are in town.  Ha Ha Ha small time knobheads with ideas of grandiosity, ladies and gentleman that is what blood money does to you.

[Floydy]

You don't even need to look that far back. We protested at decisions FSG made after they appointed Klopp and we were on our way to a Europa League final and I'm sure we'd do the same now if they made a decision that warranted it, despite our on field success.

agreed but just  referencing the time line with those 2 in charge as he mentioned it.

[royhendo]

I get this is an opportunity to stick the knife into them, but honestly if you think our fans would turn on ownership that delivered success you’re completely deluded, the internet warriors would defend the club in exactly the same way and the majority would turn a blind eye.

And to compare to our protests is ridiculous, do you think we’d of done that if the Hicks/Gillette model had worked.  The protests were because we were shit, selling our best players and buying crap ones.

Nah. It was a bit different from that.

[kennedy81]

The reason City were such an easy mark for Abu Dhabi, is because it was a fanbase that had been starved of success for years and riven with jealousy of their local rivals.
AD knew this would make them more likely to turn a blind eye to the human rights abuses and dodgy accounting, so long as they delivered them some silverware. Look at the reaction of City fans to the UEFA investigation as an example. It's blinkered beyond belief. You even have City fans defending the regime and putting their abhorrent views and methods down to 'cultural differences'.

Never mind the domination in football terms, one of the worst aspects of their ownership of City has been this introduction of Trump-esque toxicity to English football. Combine that with the tribal nature of football fandom, and you have a very nasty mix, that does the game no favours.

Maybe I'm deluded, but I'd like to think that if LFC was ever taken over by owners like that, there would be a much greater kickback and a prolonged campaign to get them out.

Miguel Delaney in the Indo:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/manchester-city-vs-watford-fa-cup-final-premier-league-treble-pep-guardiola-abu-dhabi-a8917671.html

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You don’t have to scroll too long on social media to find supporters defiantly referring to their club’s statements and talking about how they’re up for the battle; where there almost litigating on behalf of the club against Uefa.

Some sources familiar with Middle Eastern politics have already noted how this is a strikingly similar media approach to that in Abu Dhabi, and the United Emirates, where “criticism is not tolerated”. Instead, it is assertively struck back at. The issue, again, is how this might just bring further questions.

Scroll along a bit further on social media and you get more than defiance. You get City fans – and many at that – actually going further and openly defending the Abu Dhabi regime. They talk of the benefits of living in the Emirates, high-quality free health care, whether Matthew Hedges was a spy and even weigh in on the war on Yemen. Much of these involve a series of responses like “what about Saudi Arabia?” and even accusations of “anti-Arab bias”.

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[an fear dearg]

Was about to make a similar reply.

Whilst I expect we'd have plenty of fans who would turn a blind eye for success, in fact I know we would because I've had countless debates on here with those who said they want a sugar daddy type owner, there are huge amounts of fans who would not be happy one bit if we had City's owners and would 100% make themselves heard.

Completely agree.  I have had a lengthy debate about this with a friend who is a City friend.  Told him that there would not be the same complicit blind eye that is shown by many City fans to the ownership if the shoe was on the other foot.  I honestly would go as far to say that the current owners actually have too much integrity too to sell the club to a 'sugar daddy' with blood on their hands....or maybe I'm just too idealistic!!!

The irony of the debate I had was that  few very fervent United fans got involved and backed us on the basis that the club as a whole has a real sense of integrity....they were also trying to get a rise out of your man but it was interesting all the same.

[Floydy]

Didnt we protest about  Thaksin Sinatwra, remember the last day of 04 season we played newcastle at anfield,  big flag reading ' No Thai Blood Money',  wasnt there something re the Chinese water company too last year? It is in our DNA, 90 % of genuine lfc fans respect and cherish  teh clubs integrity and values, never swapped out  for a blank cheque.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

I get this is an opportunity to stick the knife into them, but honestly if you think our fans would turn on ownership that delivered success you’re completely deluded, the internet warriors would defend the club in exactly the same way and the majority would turn a blind eye.

And to compare to our protests is ridiculous, do you think we’d of done that if the Hicks/Gillette model had worked.  The protests were because we were shit, selling our best players and buying crap ones.

As an owner of a successful football club, one needs to investment in the squad, team, stadium, social engagements.

Instead, the H&G pawned Liverpool Football Club for money that they certainly had their eyes upon, lied to the fans and started stripping the club of its players. And added to that, installed an average manager who invested in average players. So I think we were well within our right to protest.

But delivering success is one thing. Buying success is another. Ask any genuine LFC fan you know what they would prefer. And we would always want to earn the success. We earned it in the 70s and 80s. We werent controlled by uncle Scrooge and his 100 storeys of gold coin vault. We invested wisely and prudently. The results speak for themselves.

If I intend on losing my virginity, I would rather pickup a chick at a bar, than go to a prostitute.

[Craig S]

I get this is an opportunity to stick the knife into them, but honestly if you think our fans would turn on ownership that delivered success you’re completely deluded, the internet warriors would defend the club in exactly the same way and the majority would turn a blind eye.

And to compare to our protests is ridiculous, do you think we’d of done that if the Hicks/Gillette model had worked.  The protests were because we were shit, selling our best players and buying crap ones.

You might want to recall what happened when Thaksin Shinawatra tried to buy us. People were dead against it and protested due to his appalling human rights record. People were not willing to compromise morals for the offer of investment in the team.

Not sure what happened to him when we chased him out of town though. I'm sure the next club he tried to tap into would have been just as against him, and wouldnt have given him a loveable nickname after Frank Sinatra.

[Dim Glas]

Bayern fans have been openly protesting against their club due to their sponsorship with Qatar airlines.

Some fans bases just have more honour, integrity and morals than others. Liverpool, is one.

One of the Bayern fans banners:



The text reads:

“Money over human rights?
Capital over morals?
Open your eyes when it comes to sponsor choice!”

There are lots of others too.

Here is an interesting Twitter thread about it, Man City gets a mention, as being one of the clubs where fans don't protest (same as PSG), of these funded clubs, Bayern fans are the only ones who seem to care.

https://twitter.com/NcGeehan/status/955340090590580736

[Son of Spion]

Emlyn sang "Liverpool are Magic, Everton are tragic", which was something sung on the Kop, in the heat of the moment at St Georges Hall in 1977. He realised his error and apologised for it the next day.

The c*nts go full on denial, would have just been easier to act like grown men and to say sorry.

I was there when Emlyn did that. It was only right that he apologised, but the reality is that there was absolutely no malice in it at all. It was all light-hearted pantomime stuff, and in sharp contrast to the sinister and obviously aggressive song the Abu Dhabi team were singing.

I agree with you over the denial. It's so embarrassing for them. I'd have thought Mr. Moral Compass (Guardiola) would have been mortified by it all and issued an apology of his own, seeing as it happened on his watch. There is clearly some horribly weak leadership over at the Emptyhad to add to the appalling lack of class and dignity.

[Qston]

As an owner of a successful football club, one needs to investment in the squad, team, stadium, social engagements.

Instead, the H&G pawned Liverpool Football Club for money that they certainly had their eyes upon, lied to the fans and started stripping the club of its players. And added to that, installed an average manager who invested in average players. So I think we were well within our right to protest.

But delivering success is one thing. Buying success is another. Ask any genuine LFC fan you know what they would prefer. And we would always want to earn the success. We earned it in the 70s and 80s. We werent controlled by uncle Scrooge and his 100 storeys of gold coin vault. We invested wisely and prudently. The results speak for themselves.

If I intend on losing my virginity, I would rather pickup a chick at a bar, than go to a prostitute.

Nah. Go for it mate if you're ready.

[Son of Spion]

Oh yeah! Where Kitster when you need him? Shame they haven’t the guts or the imagination to do something similar. Maybe they could mock up a shirt with some protest messages, could even have stars of David instead of European cup stars and ……oh, hang on a minute

What, and bit the hand that is feeding them?

This gif nicely sums up the attitude of fans of the club formerly known as Manchester City...

[rob1966]

You might want to recall what happened when Thaksin Shinawatra tried to buy us. People were dead against it and protested due to his appalling human rights record. People were not willing to compromise morals for the offer of investment in the team.

Not sure what happened to him when we chased him out of town though. I'm sure the next club he tried to tap into would have been just as against him, and wouldnt have given him a loveable nickname after Frank Sinatra.

 

[Mighty Zeus]

Miguel Delaney in the Indo:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/manchester-city-vs-watford-fa-cup-final-premier-league-treble-pep-guardiola-abu-dhabi-a8917671.html

OK, this is really interesting. The tone of so many of these accounts is basically identical to the anonymous MAGA/ disinfo accounts that Twitter keeps purging. I saw City fans aggressively defending Abu Dhabi and Mansour but I just thought they were just tribal knobheads. Is the suggestion that some of these pro-Abu Dhabi and pro-Mansour voices are actually part of the PR effort? Or is it just stupid c*nts putting football tribalism before matters of conscience?

[Son of Spion]

I was in Manchester yesterday shopping.

I find it hilarious Mancs call anyone related to Liverpool as "Bin Dippers" when you see the zombified homeless dwelling people in the city centre.

I know the city has a shocking problem with those dangerous legal highs, but what a blight on the city when you see people leaning against lamposts and walls in such a zombiefied state in the mdidle of the day, even my 3 year old daughter was pointing at some of them when we were walking past them.

Worst homeless dwelling city i've seen is LA downtown in Skidrow and Manchester is on the brink of something like that.

I know. You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind in order to have the awareness levels of the idiots who use the 'Bin Dippers' term.
Thing is, the whole country is the same. Go to any town or city and you will see the same problems to some extent or another. It's a national tragedy, but some blinkered weirdos seem to believe it's just a Liverpool thing.

I've long since stopped going into Manchester. I find the place to be grey, dirty, deeply depressing and unwelcoming these days. My partner and I simply won't spend our money there now. We've even gone as far as Bristol and Leeds to see a band we like on tour rather than go to the Manchester gig. I know Liverpool has its problems and its morons, but Manchester is on a whole different level unfortunately. Last time I went shopping there I saw sprayed on a wall ''Don't mug a local, rob a tourist''. 

Mancunians need to give it a rest with the Bin Dippers jibe. Facts are that the whole country (apart from the already wealthy) are suffering because of Tory policy and their divide and conquer approach to the working classes. Wherever you go, you will see bin dipping, or to give it its posh term, dumpster diving. It's a national tragedy in the fifth richest nation on Earth, and not something we should be taunting each other about. Same goes for unemployment (sign on).

[Qston]

Speaking about the high-profile financial fair play (FFP) case, Pep Guardiola said: "I trust the people at the club and they are innocent until proven guilty. I have spoken to the chairmen and the CEO's and I know exactly what they did so I trust them. We are innocent today."

Just taken from the BBC.

Well that's okay then. No need for UEFA to take this further. The owners have never lied, no sirree bob

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Nah. Go for it mate if you're ready.

Thoughts from any random 18 year old.

And mine, from 12 years ago.

[Floydy]

Trying not to let this circus send me the over  the edge, the disdain i have for this outfit (nothing to do with football rivalry)  just the sheer arrogance of all involved make me sick to the stomach.  Dirty cash i want you dirty cash i need you wooahh.

[naka]

Speaking about the high-profile financial fair play (FFP) case, Pep Guardiola said: "I trust the people at the club and they are innocent until proven guilty. I have spoken to the chairmen and the CEO's and I know exactly what they did so I trust them. We are innocent today."

Just taken from the BBC.



interesting choice of words by pep.
"innocent til proven guilty"
"innocent today"

for me thats extremely important in that he is commenting on the present and has a fear that they will in the future be found guilty.

[royhendo]

I was in Manchester yesterday shopping.

I find it hilarious Mancs call anyone related to Liverpool as "Bin Dippers" when you see the zombified homeless dwelling people in the city centre.

I know the city has a shocking problem with those dangerous legal highs, but what a blight on the city when you see people leaning against lamposts and walls in such a zombiefied state in the mdidle of the day, even my 3 year old daughter was pointing at some of them when we were walking past them.

Worst homeless dwelling city i've seen is LA downtown in Skidrow and Manchester is on the brink of something like that.

Not being funny, but you're doing much the same as you're saying they do here. A blight on the city? Or folk with not much hope who maybe need a little help?

[idontknow]

Nah. Go for it mate if you're ready.

He's been waiting a long time, if it's "a chick" he's looking for. Anyway, hope it's special for him.

[24/7]

Not being funny, but you're doing much the same as you're saying they do here. A blight on the city? Or folk with not much hope who maybe need a little help?

This. Thanks for making that point at the end, Roy.

I've always believed that Manchester and Liverpool have a lot more in common than many are prepared to admit - and that includes sharing the same social issues that many other urban conurbations around the modern world are enduring. It's not a scouse or manc thing, it's not even a British or American thing - it's a "haves" and "have-nots" thing........and there appears to be an increasing number of people who need help - whether financial or spiritual.......

What's the saying? Don't hate the players. Hate the game. We all need to wake up.

Then again, I guess this is all just bantz, innit, bruv.

Count me out. Let's stick to the fuckin footie

[Tobelius]

Speaking about the high-profile financial fair play (FFP) case, Pep Guardiola said: "I trust the people at the club and they are innocent until proven guilty. I have spoken to the chairmen and the CEO's and I know exactly what they did so I trust them. We are innocent today."

Just taken from the BBC.

Well that's okay then. No need for UEFA to take this further. The owners have never lied, no sirree bob

Yeah riiiiight Pip. It's like Arsene Wenger never saw an Arsenal player foul anyone.Ever. 'I didn't see it',every time.

[MH41]

I made the mistake at glancing at the final Premier League table again last night. It really pi**ed me off again.
I had been so engrossed, and focused on the race for the Title with City, that I failed to really look at how far the rest were behind us.

25 points ahead of the next challengers! 25 points!!! We’ve been done big time here!

If City hadn’t blatantly cheated, with their FFP misdemeanours, the blatant deceiving of information, and arrogance towards every single Football authority, the threatening emails that have been unearthed etc it would have been the most one sided title victory in the history of the League.
We were that far ahead of the rest (and yes, I understand that City being there drove us on to accumulate that points total)

Knowing what we assume that the FA are well aware of (but are afraid to address), the FA should have done everything in their power in the last couple of games, to ‘ensure’ a Liverpool title. A dodgy red card, goal disallowed, penalty given. Whatever it took to ensure that justice prevailed. Yes, that sounds incredibly stupid, but knowing what they do know now, it could have been seen as a just and ‘fair’ punishment.

Instead, they’ll do nothing, stand by and watch them continue to cheat.
It is not a level playing field. I know most posters will say that we’ll beat them ‘fair and square’ soon, but will we? We should not have to keep up with a doped team, a team not playing 'fair'we should only have to try to beat a team that is playing by the same rules as everyone else. That is what competition is.

It really does irk me that we could be a CL final upset away from winning nothing this year. We have been absolutely superb. Any future punishment doesn’t really help us with this year’s league outcome.

[sms1986]

We'll at least be keeping up with them over the next few seasons, I'm confident that eventually we'll be dominating the league in the not too distant future.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Pleased our club have not been dragged into the whole thing about the song because if they had, it could have hugely overshadowed our preparation for the final.

[Walshy nMe®]

Reckon Pep will jump to Juve this summer as per the rumours?

[CraigDS]

Reckon Pep will jump to Juve this summer as per the rumours?

Would take a ridiculous fee to get City to release him, surely?

[S]

Reckon Pep will jump to Juve this summer as per the rumours?

Mourinho's going there surely?

[4pool]

New Manchester City Public Relations Officer

[TheTeflonJohn]

The funny thing for me is this PR drive by Abu Dhabi in cleaning up their image via football.

The more high profile they become in football via these cheating scandals the more they are highlighting what`s going on in their home countries.

I and many many other people would probably not know what`s going on in the gulf. Now I do because of their actions at Man City.

[sms1986]

Reckon Pep will jump to Juve this summer as per the rumours?

Would be good, we'll probably know more after the cup final and Serie A finishes for the season.