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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #280 on: February 1, 2011, 08:23:34 pm »
HE COULD BE GOING TONIGHT! :scarf :wellin
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« Reply #281 on: February 1, 2011, 08:37:51 pm »
hope so!
see barack obama now trying to take credit  ::)
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« Reply #282 on: February 1, 2011, 08:59:38 pm »
just listening to him..he's mad..
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« Reply #283 on: February 1, 2011, 09:01:25 pm »
Face like a slapped arse.
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« Reply #284 on: February 1, 2011, 09:04:00 pm »
looks like he's staying until elections??
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« Reply #285 on: February 1, 2011, 09:04:25 pm »
YES YES YES YES!
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« Reply #286 on: February 1, 2011, 09:05:23 pm »
you watching in arabic smd?
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« Reply #287 on: February 1, 2011, 09:06:30 pm »
Yep. He's said he didn't intend to seek another term. Read: he's gonna fuck off because he's shitting himself.
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« Reply #288 on: February 1, 2011, 09:06:38 pm »
will the protesters be happy with this? i'm not sure- they want him gone now surely.
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« Reply #289 on: February 1, 2011, 09:07:45 pm »
No, that's it. They've scented blood and they're going to push for him to go right now. This is his last throw of the dice.

Protestors shouting loudly now.
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« Reply #290 on: February 1, 2011, 09:08:39 pm »
god-he's a stubborn fuck..
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« Reply #291 on: February 1, 2011, 09:09:20 pm »
Most dictators are, y'know ;)

The protestors are fucking livid, they know this is the final push...
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« Reply #292 on: February 1, 2011, 09:11:05 pm »
Most dictators are, y'know ;)

The protestors are fucking livid, they know this is the final push...

true- though he could have called it a day and scarpered- does he really want a noose round his neck?
tahrir square going crazy with noise
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« Reply #293 on: February 1, 2011, 09:12:29 pm »
There's no stopping this, if he thought that was going to work at all, well he's got his answer.
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« Reply #294 on: February 1, 2011, 09:13:57 pm »
army gonna step in on the side of the protests dya think? or is he too much one of them for that to happen?
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« Reply #295 on: February 1, 2011, 09:17:19 pm »
The army are with the people.

They're screaming at him to leave.
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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #296 on: February 1, 2011, 09:35:12 pm »
Didnt a million march against the Iraq war in London alone? Both responses have a disturbing correlation. =/

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« Reply #297 on: February 1, 2011, 09:36:16 pm »
Big difference here, a million in Cairo is like half the country marching on Downing Street, protests of any kind takes massive balls in the Middle East and everyone of all classes, creeds and religions were out today.
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« Reply #298 on: February 1, 2011, 09:59:18 pm »
No i totally agree, i was just pointing out the correlation in responses by both regimes. Both pretty much ignored what the public wanted and just did their own thing. -_-

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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #299 on: February 1, 2011, 10:01:17 pm »
But the government knew better.
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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #300 on: February 2, 2011, 12:30:20 am »
King of Jordan Dismisses His Cabinet



By RANYA KADRI and ETHAN BRONNER

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AMMAN, Jordan — King Abdullah II of Jordan fired his government on Tuesday after weeks of demonstrations challenging his regime, part of a wave of demands of public accountability sweeping the Arab world that has brought throngs of demonstrators into the streets of Egypt.

The royal palace announced that the king had dismissed Prime Minister Samir Rifai and replaced him with Marouf al-Bakhit, who has served before in the post and is a former general and a onetime ambassador to Israel and Turkey widely viewed as clean of corruption.

Changing cabinets is not new for King Abdullah. In his 12 years on the throne, he has done so eight times. But this was the first time that he had done so in reaction to public pressure, seeking to undermine a growing protest movement across a broad spectrum of society and to pre-empt further unrest. It came after four weeks of unusual public demonstrations.

The palace statement said Mr. Bakhit would have the task of “taking practical, swift and tangible steps to launch a real political reform process, in line with the king’s version of comprehensive reform, modernization and development.”

In a brief telephone interview, Mr. Bakhit added that his main objective would be to “take tangible steps to social, political and economic reform and give priority to dialogue with all segments of society.”

His predecessor was criticized as dealing primarily with technocrats and business leaders, while failing to consult with trade unions and the Muslim Brotherhood and to address the concerns of citizens.

With tens of thousands of Egyptians packing city squares daily to demand that President Hosni Mubarak end his nearly 30-year autocracy, the message was spreading across the region.

In Yemen, the government, fearing new protests, offered concessions to the opposition, which promised to call a demonstration every Thursday until March, when it will evaluate whether its demands have been met. In Syria, calls for a “day of rage” this weekend against the government of President Bashar al-Assad were spreading on Facebook, which is banned in the country, and on Twitter.

And in Tunisia, the country that set off the regional unrest after protests toppled the government, the army was called in to calm fears of chaos.

Gangs had been rampaging through schools in the capital, Tunis, and a synagogue was set on fire in the southern city of Gabes, according to news agency reports. A United Nations mission sent to Tunis to investigate the violence reported that at least 219 people had been killed in the unrest and 510 injured, The Associated Press said.

The main Syrian protest page on Facebook urged people to protest in Damascus on Feb. 4 and 5 in “a day of rage,” whose goal was to “end the state of emergency in Syria and end corruption.” Various political factions issued statements calling for change.

“Oh, Syrian people, isn’t it time for you to shout a big no?” the Muslim Brotherhood said. “No to oppression, corruption, theft and humiliation. No to poverty, hunger and unemployment.”

The democratic Islamist movement, in calling for participation in Saturday’s protest, said, “We don’t want a chaotic revolution; we want a peaceful uprising in which you raise your voice peacefully and in a civilized way.”

About 200 students in Sudan protested outside Al Nileen University in Khartoum, but were beaten back by squads of police officers, Reuters reported. Opposition figures blame the government for rising food prices and a crackdown on press freedom.

And the emir of Qatar, scheduled to visit South America later this month, postponed his trip because of regional tensions, a statement from his office said.

In the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority announced it would hold local elections, postponed last year, “as soon as possible.” The Palestinian cabinet, led by Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, said in a statement that elections would take place simultaneously in the West Bank and in Gaza, and that the government would set a date at its meeting next week. It was not clear whether the government’s rival Hamas, the Islamist group that runs Gaza, would cooperate.

The authority blamed Hamas for upsetting planned local elections last June, but critics of the authority said the reason for the cancellation was disarray within Fatah, the faction that dominates in the West Bank.

In an interview in his office in Ramallah, Mr. Fayyad said the sense that Palestinians, like Egyptians and people in the rest of the region, wanted to move ahead quickly on democratic reforms had helped spur the setting of elections.

In Jordan, the reaction to the change of government was mixed. Many said they were relieved, but the Islamic Action Front, the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, rejected the move as insufficient given the need for greater political freedom.

Jordan is a highly literate and largely stable country, with well-developed security and intelligence operations. But it has a fundamental vulnerability in the large number of Palestinians here. Refugees arrived in large numbers from the West Bank and Jerusalem after the war in 1967, and more arrived from Kuwait after President Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded that country in 1990. They and their descendants make up nearly half the country’s population of six million.

Recent demonstrations in Jordan were the first serious challenge to the rule of King Abdullah, a crucial American ally who is contending with his country’s worst economic crisis in years.

Last Friday, thousands took to the streets in the capital, Amman, as well as several other cities shouting, “We want change!” Because direct criticism of the king is banned, the focus has been on his government. Banners decried high food and fuel prices and demanded the resignation of the prime minister, appointed by the king.

In recent months, journalists, former generals and students have attacked corruption, lower subsidies and lack of democracy in Jordan, especially recent reductions in freedom of expression. The marchers have been a mix of Islamists, trade unionists and leftists. To counter the criticism, the king recently announced an increase in civil service pay and $125 million in subsidies for basic goods and fuel.

After Tuesday’s announcement of a new prime minister, some protest leaders were cautiously positive. Nahed Hattar, a leftist activist, said in a telephone interview that he considered the change a good move but that he wanted to see the government program before rendering judgment.

Ali Habashneh, a retired general who had participated in public protests, said the appointment was “wise,” adding, “He is the right man to lead the country at this time.”

But Zaki Saad, head of the political bureau of the Islamic Action Front, said Mr. Bakhit was “a very bad choice.” Mr. Saad said the new prime minister was “not a man of dialogue,” although he said he would wait to see if Mr. Bakhit had changed.

Mr. Bakhit, 63, served as prime minister from 2005 to 2007. He is close to the king and has been deeply involved in the peace treaty with Israel.

While King Abdullah has detractors in Jordan, there seems at the moment to be little push to end the monarchy. The pressure has been focused on economic issues and government accountability. But given the growing regional rage, it was difficult to predict the level of danger to his rule.

The pressures in neighboring Syria were harder to gauge because it is a more authoritarian regime. President Assad told The Wall Street Journal in an interview earlier this week that he was in a stronger position than other regional leaders because of his anti-American and anti-Israeli stands. But last month, he also raised heating oil allowances for public workers.

Ranya Kadri reported from Amman, and Ethan Bronner from Ramallah, West Bank.


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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #301 on: February 2, 2011, 10:20:59 am »
Hey Condi - are you watching the birthpangs of a new Middle East?

Please don't. Her and the other neocons will be falling over themselves to take credit for all of this.

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« Reply #302 on: February 2, 2011, 10:34:55 am »
Yep. He's said he didn't intend to seek another term. Read: he's gonna fuck off because he's shitting himself.

The ruling elite are buying time, control the crowds through the army, make minor concessions, take the steam out of the revolution, identify the leading members of the grass roots opposition, allowing the army to take more control. The USA have the ear of the Egyptian army, they also have their bank account details. Take a look at the new cabinet stuffed full of military men, like himself. The Vice President Suleiman is from the top end of the brutal security service, if you are looking to appease the people why appoint such a monster.
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« Reply #303 on: February 2, 2011, 10:59:52 am »
The ruling elite are buying time, control the crowds through the army, make minor concessions, take the steam out of the revolution, identify the leading members of the grass roots opposition, allowing the army to take more control. The USA have the ear of the Egyptian army, they also have their bank account details. Take a look at the new cabinet stuffed full of military men, like himself. The Vice President Suleiman is from the top end of the brutal security service, if you are looking to appease the people why appoint such a monster.

It's not going to work. The army may be funded by the Americans but the US knows that if the army sides with the people, there's fuck all it can do and it can't be seen to resist democracy - because this is actual democracy. The sham of the last three decades has finally been put to an end and the people want their voices to be heard. There's no turning back, Mubarak is ruined politically and the military has too many good people to let a few bad apples at the top control things.

The security forces and Mubarak are holding out as long as possible, just like Hicks and Gillett because when you've gambled everything and lost, there's no point calling it quits when you can still roll the dice. Problem is, Hosni, no one else is playing with you. The bank is closed.
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« Reply #305 on: February 2, 2011, 11:15:08 am »
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« Reply #306 on: February 2, 2011, 11:19:32 am »
It's not going to work. The army may be funded by the Americans but the US knows that if the army sides with the people, there's fuck all it can do and it can't be seen to resist democracy - because this is actual democracy. The sham of the last three decades has finally been put to an end and the people want their voices to be heard. There's no turning back, Mubarak is ruined politically and the military has too many good people to let a few bad apples at the top control things.

The security forces and Mubarak are holding out as long as possible, just like Hicks and Gillett because when you've gambled everything and lost, there's no point calling it quits when you can still roll the dice. Problem is, Hosni, no one else is playing with you. The bank is closed.

There are dangerous illusions that the army is with the people. There may be many of the common soldiers who feel close to the people, but the leadership of the army is well and truly in the pocket of the elite and the USA. $1,3b a year isn't just to buy boots and bullets. Officers in the army are very wealthy people, they identify with the regime and the USA, Today we can see the army demanding the protesters  go home, what will be the response from the crowd? if they go the revolution starts to die, if they stay the army will send in the special forces. Mubarak will go in September but what replaces him. More of the same dressed up in democracy. How will they feed the poor, create jobs, if the USA pulls back on funding, fearing it may lose too much what then? There are many such popular uprisings that have had illusions in the army only to see it turn on them.
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« Reply #307 on: February 2, 2011, 11:42:22 am »
There are dangerous illusions that the army is with the people. There may be many of the common soldiers who feel close to the people, but the leadership of the army is well and truly in the pocket of the elite and the USA. $1,3b a year isn't just to buy boots and bullets. Officers in the army are very wealthy people, they identify with the regime and the USA, Today we can see the army demanding the protesters  go home, what will be the response from the crowd? if they go the revolution starts to die, if they stay the army will send in the special forces. Mubarak will go in September but what replaces him. More of the same dressed up in democracy. How will they feed the poor, create jobs, if the USA pulls back on funding, fearing it may lose too much what then? There are many such popular uprisings that have had illusions in the army only to see it turn on them.

There are too many normal soldiers for the army's leaders to be able to just order them to suppress the revolt. The army might feel like they're risking those funds but they risk their own soldiers turning on them and then sheer numbers will push them out.
Most commentators and leaders have pointed to the Romanian revolution, saying they don't want any bloodshed and that Mubarak should go quietly, but the fact they mentioned Ceauşescu hints that if needs must...

As far as Arab revolutions go, this is incredible. I'm really hopeful and encouraged, I hope no more lives are lost but the Egyptian people don't look like they're going to settle for anything less than a full change and that's fantastic.
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« Reply #308 on: February 2, 2011, 11:47:58 am »
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« Reply #309 on: February 2, 2011, 12:03:45 pm »
Wow, what a week, in a week I turned from a student to a security guard along with all my family and all my neighbors.

I'm safe right now, internet cut affected me badly, but its okay, just knew about El Ninny to Chelsea  :wanker

Did you have any idea of what was going on at our club when the net was cut off??
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Wow, what a week, in a week I turned from a student to a security guard along with all my family and all my neighbors.

I'm safe right now, internet cut affected me badly, but its okay, just knew about El Ninny to Chelsea  :wanker

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« Reply #311 on: February 2, 2011, 12:19:55 pm »
Did you have any idea of what was going on at our club when the net was cut off??
Absolutely nothing, most of the news channels showed our events, then one day I saw Torres is sold to Chelsea on the BBC, I was outraged but then after knowing the full story, I'm no longer, he is in the Owen bracket to me  :wanker
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« Reply #312 on: February 2, 2011, 12:30:28 pm »
Egyptian Youth proved in this week, that NO ONE can ever threaten Egypt.

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« Reply #313 on: February 2, 2011, 01:04:19 pm »
The Security forces are wearing Casual Clothes and riding Horses & Camels in EL Tahrir Sq. and Killing the Protesters !!!!!!!!!!! For All Who Love Mubarak , Fuck OFF!!
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« Reply #314 on: February 2, 2011, 01:52:58 pm »
Astonishing scenes in Tahrir square right now between anti-government and government forces.
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« Reply #315 on: February 2, 2011, 01:58:49 pm »
FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE WITH MUBARAK, OR ANTI-MUBARAK...FUCK OFF...THINK ABOUT EGYPT...Why are WE beating eachother? why are we killing eachother??
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« Reply #316 on: February 2, 2011, 02:25:40 pm »
FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE WITH MUBARAK, OR ANTI-MUBARAK...FUCK OFF...THINK ABOUT EGYPT...Why are WE beating eachother? why are we killing eachother??
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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #317 on: February 2, 2011, 02:27:35 pm »
I didn't think there were any pro-Mubarak groups left? Why did they take so long to come out? What's going on?
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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #318 on: February 2, 2011, 02:29:56 pm »
I didn't think there were any pro-Mubarak groups left? Why did they take so long to come out? What's going on?
They are police thugs being paid by Mubarak, they are trying to beat the protesters in the Tahrir square.
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Re: Egypt's day of revolt
« Reply #319 on: February 2, 2011, 02:31:57 pm »
I didn't think there were any pro-Mubarak groups left? Why did they take so long to come out? What's going on?
you can't have a 30 year long regime without a serious percentage of population with all sorts of privileges.

they realized that everything is going tits up and are now trying to preserve the system and their privileges.
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