Author Topic: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership (Read 350325 times)

Elm0 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:26:29 pm »

Aggerwasnt strictly injured, it was just an illness. Those things happen.

Skrtel is the one that needs to go. Hes just useless and cannot head the ball, pass, or be relied upon to win a 50/50. Of more pressing concern is that Agger should be the main man in our defence and Skrtel doesnt compliment him at all. We need another Hyypia in there to play alongside Agger. That would do me nicely.

xavidub · « **Reply #41 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:27:17 pm »

We need a replacement for Skrtel, and an understudy for Agger.

God's Left Peg · « **Reply #42 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:29:01 pm »

I think Skrtel looks a liability at the moment; it's a shame but the way things are at the moment maybe we need to be bit ruthless and let him go.

redmark · « **Reply #43 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:32:58 pm »

Quote from: xavidub on January 16, 2011, 05:27:17 pm

We need a replacement for Skrtel, and an understudy for Agger.

Wilson, clearly, is understudy for Agger.

For the right sided centre back, we have a choice of Skrtel, Carragher or Krygiakos. We have Kelly or Ayala for the future.

I'd love us to sign someone like Cahill, but I expect Carragher/Agger to be the partnership when the former is fit. We'll have to wait and see how that goes.

tommy LFC · « **Reply #44 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:33:59 pm »

Why do people rate Wilson so highly. I've only seen him against Northampton and in the UEFA cup, and I'm much more impressed with Kelly. Are people basing this on his time in the SPL, reserves or what?

danny boy the red · « **Reply #45 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:35:01 pm »

If it was an illness than fine but if Agger' injured again then we'll have to think about doing something different at the back, however, after about a minute of him leaving the pitch we conceded.

Had been worried about Skrtel as of late but since the Man u game I really thought Agger could/would settle him down.

Agger is class, but alas, joins the ranks of the majority of our quality signings as being fucking injury prone.

LiverpoolForever · « **Reply #46 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:35:44 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on January 16, 2011, 05:33:59 pm

Why do people rate Wilson so highly. I've only seen him against Northampton and in the UEFA cup, and I'm much more impressed with Kelly. Are people basing this on his time in the SPL, reserves or what?

Young Player of the Year when he was at Rangers , Walter Smith rates him very highly , thats good enough for me.Try him with Agger in the middle , cant be any worse.

Roslagen · « **Reply #47 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:36:16 pm »

But, even though I thought Carra's absence would strengthen the defence, I was dead wrong.

Without him we've conceded 12 goals in 7 matches. Pretty miserable according to me

Oddball · « **Reply #48 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:36:31 pm »

Quote from: scoresagain on January 16, 2011, 05:24:41 pm

Kenny said he knew Agger was sick at half time when he went into the toilet after him. He's a class act, when fit.

Cheers. And I dont dispute that. In fact I'll quote what you put "He's a class act, when fit

Thats seemingly few and far between. But like I said, I hope he proves me wrong!

Skagen · « **Reply #49 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:38:56 pm »

Skrtel is bambi on ice at times, he needs to step his game up. Agger is class, such a shame that he is injury prone.

danny boy the red · « **Reply #50 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:39:25 pm »

Would be reluctant to pop Wilson in there because the moral is so low in the team it just can't be conducive to a young player's development.

Still gutted Agger had to leave the pitch. Jermaine Beckford, for fucksake.......

tommy LFC · « **Reply #51 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:40:13 pm »

Quote from: LiverpoolForever on January 16, 2011, 05:35:44 pm

Young Player of the Year when he was at Rangers , Walter Smith rates him very highly , thats good enough for me.Try him with Agger in the middle , cant be any worse.

Does young player of the year in the SPL really mean anything though? Has anyone who won it ever made it at a high level in England? I'm not trying to put the lad down, but if he deserved a chance he would get it. Even at left back like Kelly is at right back. I just think Kelly deserves a chance at centre back ahead of him and Agger is by far our best CB.

smig · « **Reply #52 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:42:38 pm »

I really think Skrtel needs dropping when Carra comes back in. He wasn't even watching the ball for Distan's goal! It's almost like the guy expects the ball to hit his head and be cleared. Outmuscled for the second goal as well, the lad is badly out of form and has struggled all season.

LiverpoolForever · « **Reply #53 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:44:52 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on January 16, 2011, 05:40:13 pm

Does young player of the year in the SPL really mean anything though? Has anyone who won it ever made it at a high level in England? I'm not trying to put the lad down, but if he deserved a chance he would get it. Even at left back like Kelly is at right back. I just think Kelly deserves a chance at centre back ahead of him and Agger is by far our best CB.

I agree on Agger , but i think Wilson should be given a go , Kelly can then stay at right-back.We have signed a few players from Scotland over the years who have gone on to be very good for us , the fact Wilson looked a class act for Rangers shows he should be playing at a higher level.

If he plays well in the middle , it could save us some cash which could be spent on other positions.

Burned_Alive · « **Reply #54 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:01:52 pm »

I have never really rated Skrtel, his mind seems to wander on occasion and he is prone to silly mistakes. His touch and passing are not the best either. I wouldnt mind him as a backup on the bench, but would much rather see Kelly and Agger at CB, Johnson RB and Aurelio or a new signing at LB.

No666 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:05:34 pm »

I was at the match when Skrtel was run rings round for Slovakia by - as I remember - Stevie, among others, and for me he was shown up that night and his confidence has been fragile since as if he fears a repeat of that public humiliation. This was a couple of years ago if I remember correctly. i was cringing for the poor lad.

Gobias Industries · « **Reply #56 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:11:58 pm »

I think having Agger back in the side is possibly the biggest positive thing Kenny has done so far. Having Skrtel and Kyri week in week out was starting to kill me. We should start Agger and Wilson with Kelly and Glen/Fabio at fullback next match and see how they get on. Then when Carra gets back we can see if he is needed immediately in the side. But we do have to drop Skrtel for a bit.

Ray K · « **Reply #57 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:13:39 pm »

In theory it should work: An elegant, ball-playing defender and a tough-as-nails hardman stopper.

But in reality, Skrtel, despite his looks and his tattoos, is just not physical enough. And never has been. And it's not just the likes of Drogba, who'd give any defender a hard time - every forward can bully him, especially at set pieces.

Bottom line is that for the past 18 months, Skrtel hasn't been up to it. And we need Agger playing there, else we'll be defending from our 18 yard box and hoofing it.
Which leaves us with the choice of Agger & Carra (losing his pace, defends too deep), Agger & Kyrgiakos (less pace than Carra, whole-hearted but with the turning circle of a ferry) or Agger & Wilson (hasn't played much).

But what about another option: Agger & Kelly? Why wouldn't that work?

xerxes1 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:15:59 pm »

Skrts was Top two seasons ago, what has happened inbetween in a mystery.Agger is a fine player, but his inability to complete a season fit makes him a liability.

Samee · « **Reply #59 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:18:59 pm »

Quote from: oddball2514 on January 16, 2011, 05:22:15 pm

Samee, I was the same today until he went off with what I thought was yet another injury. Ive been told im wrong. If thats the case, than lets hope his injurys are behind hind him. If there not......back to what Ive said Im afraid.

Illness does not equal injury. With our new medical team in as well, there is no way in hell I want the club letting go Agger.

Samee · « **Reply #60 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:21:58 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on January 16, 2011, 06:13:39 pm

But in reality, Skrtel, despite his looks and his tattoos, is just not physical enough. And never has been. And it's not just the likes of Drogba, who'd give any defender a hard time - every forward can bully him, especially at set pieces.

Not entirely correct. Skrtel used to be physical enough. In fact, in his first couple of seasons I can recall fans moaning he was too physical, too rash in the challenge. 07/08 season when we had Chelsea in the quarters of the Champions League, Skrtel was bossing Drogba but then he got injured and was replaced Hyypia and Chelsea proceeded to fuck us. Skrtel used to be boss but yes, he's pretty terrible now.

Oddball · « **Reply #61 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:23:55 pm »

Quote from: Samee on January 16, 2011, 06:18:59 pm

Illness does not equal injury. With our new medical team in as well, there is no way in hell I want the club letting go Agger.

You quoted me, but did you actually read what I put?!

Cormack Snr · « **Reply #62 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:28:57 pm »

Quote from: oddball2514 on January 16, 2011, 05:14:21 pm

Was he off with a illness? Didnt know that. What was up with him?

Hangover, if you believe the rumours

Samee · « **Reply #63 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:31:22 pm »

Quote from: oddball2514 on January 16, 2011, 06:23:55 pm

You quoted me, but did you actually read what I put?!

Yeah and I was just reiterating my point.

Oddball · « **Reply #64 on:** January 16, 2011, 07:58:55 pm »

Quote from: Cormack Snr on January 16, 2011, 06:28:57 pm

Hangover, if you believe the rumours

Cant work out if your being sarcastic or not.

Quote from: Samee on January 16, 2011, 06:31:22 pm

Yeah and I was just reiterating my point.

Ok. I'll reiterate mine then. If he wasnt injury prone I'd keep him.

kev_goss · « **Reply #65 on:** January 16, 2011, 08:17:56 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on January 16, 2011, 05:33:59 pm

Why do people rate Wilson so highly. I've only seen him against Northampton and in the UEFA cup, and I'm much more impressed with Kelly. Are people basing this on his time in the SPL, reserves or what?

Tommy, one of my mates is a gers fan and he was gutted when he left, he said he's gonna be something special in the future.

Eeyore · « **Reply #66 on:** January 16, 2011, 08:22:11 pm »

Quote from: Cormack Snr on January 16, 2011, 06:28:57 pm

Hangover, if you believe the rumours

Must of been a good session because he has been ill all week.

Guz-kop · « **Reply #67 on:** January 16, 2011, 08:23:07 pm »

Quote from: Cormack Snr on January 16, 2011, 06:28:57 pm

Hangover, if you believe the rumours

Since Wednesday? Some fucking hangover that

ah, too late

Spanish Al · « **Reply #68 on:** January 16, 2011, 08:23:17 pm »

I like the idea of this, without the 'Martin Skrtel' bit.

cornelius · « **Reply #69 on:** January 16, 2011, 08:53:27 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on January 16, 2011, 05:03:59 pm

I think Daniel Agger is quality. You can't get rid of someone because they are injury prone

Trouble is, where we're at now as a squad, he's such a massive loss when he's not available that there's only so long you can allow that to continue. Last thing we need is a Woodgate right now. Although today it seems it's just an illness and hopefully he's back now because I thought he was great today. Fingers crossed.

Bouncer · « **Reply #70 on:** January 16, 2011, 09:34:08 pm »

Fuck I miss big Sami - I know he left to get regular games but I reckon if he'd stayed he'd easily have made 30/40 games a season - I doubt I'm the only one to associate our recent decline and disintegration at the back to the big blonde Finnish blokes departure - he made everyone look good and everyones job easier - Fuck, I miss big Sami

plasterered · « **Reply #71 on:** January 16, 2011, 09:46:19 pm »

So if agger was ill I heard its a stomach thing the shits or whatever he will be back for the next game right?

I hope so because I think a run in the side is just whats needed for him

.adam · « **Reply #72 on:** January 16, 2011, 09:55:03 pm »

Wilson and Agger at the back for me.

CrawleyRed · « **Reply #73 on:** January 16, 2011, 10:54:06 pm »

Togethor, they are too weak in the air. First, and even second balls are being contended for far too often by the opposition. We need a younger, quicker carragher/kyriagkos to play with one of them. Kelly seems to be the perfect fit from what i've seen, so id give him a go with one or the other. In my opinion Agger (when fit

) is world class, so them two for me when possible. If not Agger, then Wilson should be given a chance. This is what has encouraged me most about the Kings return, the willingness to give the younger players a go, this time Spearing.

Sachin4ever · « **Reply #74 on:** January 17, 2011, 05:09:23 am »

Quote from: Samee on January 16, 2011, 05:17:49 pm

Agger should be going nowhere. Nowhere at all. I can't express how fucking against him going I truly am. Skrtel on the other hand is nothing compared to the player we signed and I wouldn't be against selling him in the slightest.

This.

I think we can keep agger even he is slightly injury prone because we wont be able to get a defender with his qualities for the money he will get.

On the other hand, I wont mind selling skrtel at all.. I too feel that he is not the same player he was whe we signed him.
We should sell and buy a good CB to play alongside with agger.

Regarding the youth palyers, i think we should give chances to wilson to see how well he plays in the first team.

Alonso_The_Assassin · « **Reply #75 on:** January 17, 2011, 05:13:14 am »

Skrtel's confidence is shot to bits. He's not a bad player. He's just fucked for confidence; much like the majority of our squad.

In saying that I can see Wilson edging closer to a start.

Scarlet` · « **Reply #76 on:** January 17, 2011, 05:21:54 am »

I think Agger's only ill. Also, the older a player gets, usually, the injuries probably tend to go away. Agger's still got years ahead of him.

Would be nice to bring in another experienced CB though.

Cooper-Man · « **Reply #77 on:** January 17, 2011, 05:26:40 am »

I think the greek and martin should never be aloud to play at the same time ever again. They look confused and get dominated in the box. I feel sorry for reina. He would have had a clean sheet yesterday as both goals should have been avoided.

What is aggers issue. Was he ill or injured.

One thing i dont like about martin is his man handling in the box. One of these days he will give away a penalty and we will lose a really important match because of it. (the greek does it also)

NZ Red · « **Reply #78 on:** January 17, 2011, 08:09:02 am »

I think the quality Agger possesses makes his injuries tolerable. When he's at his best he's one of the best in the league, and he's a rare type of player that we'd be foolish to let go of.

Skrtel, on the other hand, has looked really poor this season. As Oddball mentioned, the way he is getting bullied in the air at the moment is embarrassing. He looks like someone who attackers should be pissing themselves whenever they get near him, but he seems to often get caught out of position and out-jumped for headers. He's also lucky not be be called up for more blatant shirt pulling in the box.

nocturnalvin · « **Reply #79 on:** January 17, 2011, 08:11:21 am »

ducks his head, pull opponents' shirt, and hope for the best. No fucking idea where the ball is.