Topic: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game

[JK-3]

this and didnt aurelio force a good save out of there keeper aswell

Yes, that was a cracking effort.

[Jagged Princess]

Right, so after a positive change in management, the one we have wanted for a while. After a positvie performance, given the circumstances, no talk about the owners holding up back, no Roy holding us back. VDM post about looking forward and being patient.....

One game in, and some people come in calling our players shithouses. I wonder what will please some people, there's just no sense of perspective any more. We've taken the first step on the long road to recovery, things can only go forward. But fuck it.....

Meireles is a shithouse, Torres is a lazy twat 

Unfortunately it seems you can't please everyone, just a shame people can't support their team for longer than what 29 hours?   Unbelievable!!! 

[Fine Shagger, Danny Agger]

This is the case for Kenny as a caretaker manager. He inspires a kind of devotion and belief from fans and from players. Even if the players all expressed support for Roy, you could see on the pitch that something was wrong. It was like they weren't motivated, or at least, it was like they didn't understand what their roles were in the tactics.

Let's put this game behind us and look towards the next one.

[scatman]

Ok i did a huge post before on the players, but I forgot to mention our away support. They were great, in the second half they outsung those dirty twats surrounding them. Loved it when they burst out the Where were you in Istanbul at Judas. Me and my brother started singing along too!

[kevmck]

Good confident performance from Liverpool.. gobshite referee, but lets be honest, its no more than we expected when we saw who it'd be

Never a penalty, and the red card was a joke - despite that, Liverpool did well, carried on right through the match and all in all, much improved performance throughout - no penalty and 11 v 11 and we'd have won it

first time in a long time i've been able to sit through the match without fuming at our own players and tactics.

nice to see agger playing, meireles had a shocker of a game and torres needs to get his shit together, but all in all i'm happy with how the players did

[cydonia]

Torres effort was completely unacceptable and he looks as if he's asking for a transfer on the pitch. I so do not want to get on the lads back but theres no excuse for that today. especially at that shithole

I don't really think that's fair. His head went down a bit when Gerrard got sent off, but thats because he knew his job was about to get even harder and his service was going to suffer. He didn't really get any after that. I'd like to see him be tougher in 50/50s and more resilient to challenges when he's on the ball, but he still cares about the club and still cares about scoring - the fact he's not scoring is the reason he's unhappy. He showed it at the Bolton game, after scoring he had a smile on his face and really pepped up. I think given some service and more chances he will show it again before the seasons out... I think if we'd have had all 11 men for the entire game today, we'd have seen a lot more from him.

It was probably right to take him off, he looked knackered, and I was glad to see he was perfectly happy to be subbed - Kenny clapping him off. Great mutual respect!

[Alan_X]

I have been to as many I could get to mate yeah.
I suppose your right in our current situation but i wouldn't say i was delighted or anything, I hate losing to them c*nts and being out of a trophy as they progress.

Fair enough - I was disappointed with the result as we could have won it on that performance but I wasn't gutted.

[RobbieRedman]

Already thinking about Blackpool & Everton and very positive about getting 6 points.

[Fine Shagger, Danny Agger]

Can't believe anybody thought that was a penalty.

And Fergie had the guts to call Torres a cheater before. HELLO. He has Nani AND Berbatov in his team.

[blert596]

Gutted with that result, but thought we done Ok considering we only had 10 men for 2/3 of the game.

Can someone explain to me  what all this "there's contact so he can go down" bollocks means? if there's contact and it forces you to go down then no problems. If there's contact and you consciously decide to throw yourself to the ground like a fanny then thats a booking in my eyes. ""There was contact so he is entitled to go down". Is he fuck!!

Gerrard was stupid knowing who was reffing doing that. No need for that tackle to have been made really. Saying that I certainly dont think it was a "lunge" at the player by a long chalk. Harsh red, but no real need for it. I actually thought Webb had taken his time and was gonna give a harsh lecture and a yellow. I was more surprised that I thought that, than when I saw the red come out. Needless for him to do it.

Overall, thought we were OK and with 11 men I thought we were starting to get our game together, and I actually felt that we could have gone on and scored. I thought we looked like we were growing into the game more than the mancs.

With 10 I thought we done well without being able to really throw caution to the wind. But realistically you cant do that against that lot or they'll crucify you on the break. Never thought we'd concede more as the game wore on, but never thought we'd grab an equaliser either.

I'm sure Kenny will have them raised for Wednesday, although Gerrard out of the derbys a bit of a bummer, but hopefully makes the midfield a bit easier to set up.

[SpartanTree. No deccies or lights.]

this and didnt aurelio force a good save out of there keeper aswell

jonjo also had a shot from distance....

i'll get me coat.

[Ultimate Bromance]

First off I think Webb got both decisions right.

[PaulV]

From twitter (now deleted)

Linda_Pizzuti: Webb is, how do you say politely... a challenge to agree with, even by referee standards (2.38pm)

[Sarge]

Whaaaat! I hate it when my Mum says that to me. Silly women.

Thats the demon drinks fault this time.

[RigBon1892]

it's not so much the red it's the fact that a far worse tackle went unpunished not 5 mins earlier.

Yeah Im all for the red card as long as he's bloody consistent. But then we saw that in the World Cup final too.

[hesbighesred]

Lot of positives to take from that game. Was against Kenny at the beginning of the season but increasingly warmed to it given the circumstances - IE the need for time for NESV to do their search properly, and the sheer unsuitability of Hodgson's tactic. Shows Kenny's misgivings about him were spot on in the first place. Kenny did today exactly what Hodgson was hired to do and claimed he would do - he stuck with Rafa's solid foundations. He has every right to alter that blueprint in his stint, but the point is you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If we take the kind of tactical approach we did today into the rest of our games this season we'll be very hard to beat, and we'll score our fair share of goals, the players will fit and be relatively happy, and we'll climb the table no worries.

I must say as well it was lovely to see Kenny in the dugout again, a few more lines aside he really hasn't changed a bit, still awesome with the press, still looking miserable Such a massive lift for so many fans as well. We'll see how it goes but I think this will work out all right - but I do think it's imperative that whatever happens with Kenny as manager we don't lose him from the club again, he's got such a big role to play and his expertise is needed long-term.

[LFC Forever]

So my thoughts on the game

First off I think Webb got both decisions right. Agger did catch him, even if he went down easy. Penalty all day.

Second, Gerrard leaped, two-footed, off the ground and landed on the ball. Red card no question, I don't know how anyone could think otherwise.

I dont agree with you there. The first 1 I mean come on please, only at Old Trafford do you get peanlties liuke those and as for Gerrard week in week out in the Prem challenges go in like that and get yellow cards. The only reason it was a red is because it was at Old Trafford against UTD from the same ref that allowed De Jong to front kick alonso in hus chest in the world cup final.

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Cheating bastards, again

[Mr Dilkington]

Unfortunately it seems you can't please everyone, just a shame people can't support their team for longer than what 29 hours?   Unbelievable!!! 

It's a sad state of affairs, i don't mind people constructively criticizing Torres or whoever else, but some of the remarks are harsh.

It's Nando's first touch that't the biggest problem, rather than the workrate.

[JohnHobbes]

You must be joking. You fucking must be

Even Fat 'I hate Liverpool' Sam as around the houses as he could possibly go had to admit it wasnt a pen. You are just winding surely?

Heh, when even "Fat" Sam is agreeing with you over Man Utd then it's stonewall not a penalty

[Monkey Red]

Impressed with the overall team performance, had we kept 11 men on the park we could have taken that, and I don't think any of us was expecting a result against them until a day ago. Kelly was our MOM, along with Pepe, great game which will do him the world of good. Penalty was a joke, as has been done to death, but Stevie can't really be too pissed off with his red, go in with both feet, studs showing and you're fucked, whether the ref is Webb or anybody else.
It was fantastic seeing Kenny walk onto the pitch, hearing the away support, and, not a single face palm, result! All in all I was quite happy with todays events, even though we lost we have a lot to look forward to. Onwards and upwards Redmen!

[THELEFTBACK]

Take the postives and ignore the negatives.

As the original OP said the penalty would likely have been given at Anfield.Gerrard was foolish and has been getting away with those type of tackles for years.
Kenny Dalglish might now step down hard on his influence after effectively letting the team down again.It could be that team against Everton will be missing Carragher,Gerrard and Torres.Who would have thought that at Christmas?

[SpartanTree. No deccies or lights.]

When it was 11 vs 11 the interplay between the Liverpool players was good to watch, ball played on the ground with no hoofing. I know its early days but i think Dalglish must have emphasised playing football on the ground. Even when pressurised in defence, the players tried to bring the ball out which was refreshing to see.

Agreed.  Although we conceded early I was confident that we'd get back into the game with some of passing looking pretty slick early on.

[Fine Shagger, Danny Agger]

I don't really think that's fair. His head went down a bit when Gerrard got sent off, but thats because he knew his job was about to get even harder and his service was going to suffer. He didn't really get any after that. I'd like to see him be tougher in 50/50s and more resilient to challenges when he's on the ball, but he still cares about the club and still cares about scoring - the fact he's not scoring is the reason he's unhappy. He showed it at the Bolton game, after scoring he had a smile on his face and really pepped up. I think given some service and more chances he will show it again before the seasons out... I think if we'd have had all 11 men for the entire game today, we'd have seen a lot more from him.

It was probably right to take him off, he looked knackered, and I was glad to see he was perfectly happy to be subbed - Kenny clapping him off. Great mutual respect!

Same here. I thought he was up for it just like everyone else, and he tracked back all night. In fact, he won a couple of tackles in midfield. It's just that it's a bad sign if Torres HAS to start his runs from midfield cos there's barely any link-up play to him.

Vidic and Rio are a great defensive partnership. Torres is obviously going to get shoved off the ball with the frantic hoofs sent his way.

[JK-3]

Already thinking about Blackpool & Everton and very positive about getting 6 points.

Me too, there is no shame in the result today, they have won every home game this season bar one, which really shows we performed well especially when the only goal they could score came from a pathetic refereeing decision.
To put it simply, a performance like that should get us 6 points from Blackpool and Everton.

[alvaro]

Players are going to be diving if the league lets them get away with it, its preety simple. A clear dive should be a 3 game ban, problem solved. But we all know the retards who are in charge of football.

[RigBon1892]

Ok i did a huge post before on the players, but I forgot to mention our away support. They were great, in the second half they outsung those dirty twats surrounding them. Loved it when they burst out the Where were you in Istanbul at Judas. Me and my brother started singing along too!

Yeah it took me a minute or two to work out what they were singing but then I just burst out laughing.

FOAR sounded brilliant too.

[conman]

I remember a challenge on JonJo (i think it was) in the 2nd half in their penalty box, no peno.....
I didn't see a replay or anything, so i could be way off... but did anyone else see something here?

[mattsant]

On my way home from the game, decent effort, was impressed with how much more organised we were, unlucky to the lads. Fair few seats got ripped out of old trafford haha

[Johnnyboy1973]

What has happened this season is he looks like someone who does not want to be here, simple really. Take off your rose tinted galsses mate.

Disagree. If he didn't want to be here he would have left in the Summer and he wouldn't have done his latest interview. If he wants to leave I am sure you will see and transfer request in the next four weeks.

His confidence is shot, is coming back from injury, our football is the complete opposite of what is required to get the best out of him and playing under Hodgson would leave any world class player questioning their future.

He has proven his class and IMO earned your backing.

Take off your I want it now and if I cant have it now, I don't care how good you have made it for me before, we should get rid of your glasses and back him.

Whilst you're there, don't call me mate either.

[JohnHobbes]

Impressed with the overall team performance, had we kept 11 men on the park we could have taken that, and I don't think any of us was expecting a result against them until a day ago. Kelly was our MOM, along with Pepe, great game which will do him the world of good. Penalty was a joke, as has been done to death, but Stevie can't really be too pissed off with his red, go in with both feet, studs showing and you're fucked, whether the ref is Webb or anybody else.
It was fantastic seeing Kenny walk onto the pitch, hearing the away support, and, not a single face palm, result! All in all I was quiete happy with todays events, even though we lost we have a lot to look forward to. Onwards and upwards Redmen!

We had some good play with 11 players but when down to 10 it got much much more difficult esp. coming off such a poor run of form. Thought Kelly played extremely well at RB, Agger stabilised the centre and Lucas had a good game at CM. Just glad overall performance was so much better...

[Fine Shagger, Danny Agger]

From twitter (now deleted)

Linda_Pizzuti: Webb is, how do you say politely... a challenge to agree with, even by referee standards (2.38pm)

I saw this too. Sad it's been deleted, but it's nice to know she's as concerned and as incensed as we are.

[smicer07]

Take the postives and ignore the negatives.

As the original OP said the penalty would likely have been given at Anfield.Gerrard was foolish and has been getting away with those type of tackles for years.
Kenny Dalglish might now step down hard on his influence after effectively letting the team down again.It could be that team against Everton will be missing Carragher,Gerrard and Torres.Who would have thought that at Christmas?

I don't think that penalty would have been given for or against us at Anfield. I've seen far more worthy penalties not given, for both home and away teams, at Anfield.

[dorsetgill]

Good performance and many positives.Not a penalty and not a sending off!!great to see Kenny,things can only get better,

[jimmyred2010]

Babel did well when he came on, lively wanted it and showed heart.

[Alonso]

I'm proud of our players and fans this afternoon.

Two shit decisions went against us (anybody who begs to differ can feck off) and we came out of the match with our heads held high. Good performance which was ruined from the off by United's 12th man.

Edit: If Rooney had played and made the challenge Gerrard did, does anybody ACTUALLY believe Webb would have sent him off? REALLY?

Club feels unified now. Can't wait for the next few matches.

[NineTails20]

Aldo's Twitter:

"That referee is a joke why we have to have him everytime v them is beyond me man u vest under his top"

[Paul JH]

From twitter (now deleted)

Linda_Pizzuti: Webb is, how do you say politely... a challenge to agree with, even by referee standards (2.38pm)

I love this woman.

[JohnHobbes]

I saw this too. Sad it's been deleted, but it's nice to know she's as concerned and as incensed as we are.

Fair play to her. Glad to see she picks up on this, just a shame for political sensibility that she had to delete it

[Franky]

A few personal observations about the game.

1. Looking at Kenny walking back to the tunnel at the end of the game brought back a smile to me.
2. We were cheated. United players were constantly diving.
3. Kelly destroyed Evra and Giggs. MOTM for me.
4. Shelvey is a real gem.
5. Babel seemed fired up.
6. Ngog, went unnoticed. Again.
7. Meireles was shocking.
8. We need a CB. Perhaps Kelly should have a chance there.
9. Only Roy would play Konchesky ahead of Aurelio.
10. We need additions and improvement in almost all positions. We can't carry on with just Torres and Ngog up front.

11. Reina is World Class. A legend. The best Goalkeeper in the Premier League by an abyssal distance.