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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #120 on: September 1, 2010, 08:13:31 pm »
Mentioned in another thread by horne.

Black balloons cheap as fuck, very visual on the pitch, can be dished out inside and most of all safe
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #121 on: September 1, 2010, 10:08:26 pm »
i understand what your saying completely mate, but most of these fans are the same people who moan when theres in-game protests, these people would rather sit there and do nothing then do something as it means them putting in a bit of effort! hopefully with torres saying something these people will start to think that stuff needs to be done but i doubt it!
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #122 on: September 2, 2010, 06:00:44 pm »
 The black balloons idea sounds great. All we need is a few people to buy ten, twenty packs themselves, give them out to people on the kop, start blowing them up, pretty soon people who don't know about it will catch on, start blowing some up themselves etc.

If we can get 20/30 people on the kop to buy a few packs each, this could easily work.

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #123 on: September 2, 2010, 06:15:06 pm »
The black balloons idea sounds great. All we need is a few people to buy ten, twenty packs themselves, give them out to people on the kop, start blowing them up, pretty soon people who don't know about it will catch on, start blowing some up themselves etc.

If we can get 20/30 people on the kop to buy a few packs each, this could easily work.

I know who I'd like to blow up.

Yes if they want to give G&H £40 odd or thereabouts everytime they enter Anfield, then the least they can do is - ffs do something. I'm all for any protest as long as they don't hide behind excuses, (we've far too many excuses and diversionary tactics away from actually protesting). Blowing up balloon, throwing paper airplanes - why not?

Hopefully some will realise the dire mess that the club is in. The future is in our hands.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #124 on: September 2, 2010, 06:51:49 pm »
Try keep themaway from Pepe though, after last season  :o


Should get the desired attention i mean if socks and tesco bags can.......
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #125 on: September 2, 2010, 06:56:30 pm »
In match protests are good, they stress our dissatisfaction and desire to see the back of them. I do think however that we would be better of targeting directly, they own several companies, brands etc. They will have partners in these companies and reputations to protect.

I was looking at one of these companies recently, Summit Automotive Partners. On their website they mention us as one of his respected partners with our club badge also. Perhaps a bit of pressure their way might have an effect for example?

Nothing should be off bounds right now, anything or anyone close or connected to them should be aware of our feeling and should be squeezed.

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #126 on: September 3, 2010, 12:01:37 am »
On the black balloons thing lads.........it's already in hand.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #127 on: September 3, 2010, 01:08:31 am »

posted this in another thread anyone think it could work??


how about when they play YNWA that nobody sings along just a silent crowd and the song on the tannoy. For a televised game it could have a big impact. It doesn't disrespect YNWA as it still gets played. when it finishes it could be followed by 2 minutes of get out of our club(one each for statler and waldorf) and then a full stadium sings YNWA to support the team. i could see sky reporting  on this as it would never have happened before but these are desperate times...
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #128 on: September 3, 2010, 07:21:37 am »
Historically, what kinds of protests have been successful?

I can only imagine that a mass walk out or hunger strike would convince these bastards to loosen their death grip.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #129 on: September 3, 2010, 10:57:41 am »
posted this in another thread anyone think it could work??


how about when they play YNWA that nobody sings along just a silent crowd and the song on the tannoy. For a televised game it could have a big impact. It doesn't disrespect YNWA as it still gets played. when it finishes it could be followed by 2 minutes of get out of our club(one each for statler and waldorf) and then a full stadium sings YNWA to support the team. i could see sky reporting  on this as it would never have happened before but these are desperate times...
Then you have got to try and tell 40,000-odd people not to sing. Would be an excellent protest but it's never going to happen.

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #130 on: September 3, 2010, 02:21:42 pm »
Then you have got to try and tell 40,000-odd people not to sing. Would be an excellent protest but it's never going to happen.

fair point but theres a precedent with the justice chant against arsenal
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #131 on: September 4, 2010, 09:18:34 am »
Have any of you seen this? Sick of the publicity they get for every little thing they do and really they are not in the sh*t we are right now. BUT why not ride on the back of it - game at OT - black balloons/alternative away shirts.....in fact making a feature of it at every away game. How long can the media ignore it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/7979313/Manchester-United-fans-prepare-old-shirt-protest-against-Glazer-family.html

Makes me cringe when i see them stood there in the green & gold scarves with a brand new kit on, but the reason the green & gold scarves work is it's simple and visual and cheap - people are sheep and will feel pressured into having one in the ground. While they are forking out money for the privilege and scoffing hot dogs and visiting the club shop. I bet they are not 'educated' as to the reasons why.

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #132 on: September 4, 2010, 07:58:36 pm »
Cecil is teh one who is sat there , why dont we just sing afew songs in his direction and make sure he knows its for him
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #133 on: September 4, 2010, 08:00:32 pm »
Or why don't we just print off 40k copies of the 10 Questions he still hasnt answered. Make them into paper planes and send them sailing over to the directord box. Anybody sat in the paddock or main stand can just slip a couple of uncreased copies onto his lap,   Make sure he knows we are onto him
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #134 on: September 5, 2010, 01:10:26 am »
Have any of you seen this? Sick of the publicity they get for every little thing they do and really they are not in the sh*t we are right now. BUT why not ride on the back of it - game at OT - black balloons/alternative away shirts.....in fact making a feature of it at every away game. How long can the media ignore it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/7979313/Manchester-United-fans-prepare-old-shirt-protest-against-Glazer-family.html

Makes me cringe when i see them stood there in the green & gold scarves with a brand new kit on, but the reason the green & gold scarves work is it's simple and visual and cheap - people are sheep and will feel pressured into having one in the ground. While they are forking out money for the privilege and scoffing hot dogs and visiting the club shop. I bet they are not 'educated' as to the reasons why.

They can get publicity because they are the media darlings and the fact that MUST have employed a consultancy firm to help them along the way with little things like this.

On top of that, even though a great many of their fans are clueless regardring their green and Gold Campaign, which appears to be on the wane.
Wearing replica shirts while wearing their Norwich scarves is laughable to many, but at least they did it.
Ours are too busy fucking moaning or miserably apathetic, don't want to upset anyone,couldn't be arsed, let someone else do it etc, etc, etc.
Their club is still in a far better financial position than ours. Our club in a few weeks time could face one of the blackest days in our history......what have we done about it?

Never mind eh? We'll be sold this week and we've signed some great players.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #135 on: September 5, 2010, 04:42:22 pm »
It's a simple equation. G&H have the deeds to the club, we have the numbers.
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« Reply #136 on: September 5, 2010, 08:48:04 pm »
Wearing replica shirts while wearing their Norwich scarves is laughable to many, but at least they did it.
Ours are too busy fucking moaning or miserably apathetic, don't want to upset anyone,couldn't be arsed, let someone else do it etc, etc, etc.
Their club is still in a far better financial position than ours. Our club in a few weeks time could face one of the blackest days in our history......what have we done about it?


Thats the worst bit of this ordeal for me the fact that before g+h i thought we actually had the best supporters in the world that everyone would fight for there club before what happened to leeds happened to us, and well look at it at max we have 10k i reckon fighting for the cause which knocks me sick every time i think about it.

I just can't believe how many fans would rather let it blow over and deal with the consequences after its happened rather then help prevent it!

wtf happened to our support! most of them cant even be arsed to sing you'll never walk alone these days and then have the fucking audasity to turn round to me when i try and get a anti g+h chant on the go because its not supporting the team! yeah you fickle c*nt i'm fighting for me club whilst your sitting there with your whopper burger from the club is funding those to c*nts!

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #137 on: September 6, 2010, 10:23:48 am »
Thats the worst bit of this ordeal for me the fact that before g+h i thought we actually had the best supporters in the world that everyone would fight for there club before what happened to leeds happened to us, and well look at it at max we have 10k i reckon fighting for the cause which knocks me sick every time i think about it.

Since the PL clubs have systematically emasculated their support.We are no better, no worse than the rest.

If you take out away fans, corporates and ST's, we have 11,000 match by match fans in the ground at any time - that is less than Sheffield Wednesday.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #138 on: September 6, 2010, 10:36:29 am »
Since the PL clubs have systematically emasculated their support.We are no better, no worse than the rest.

If you take out away fans, corporates and ST's, we have 11,000 match by match fans in the ground at any time - that is less than Sheffield Wednesday.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve with those figures mate.  Why take out STs? 
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #139 on: September 6, 2010, 10:39:56 am »
Since the PL clubs have systematically emasculated their support.We are no better, no worse than the rest.

If you take out away fans, corporates and ST's, we have 11,000 match by match fans in the ground at any time - that is less than Sheffield Wednesday.
it doesn’t bother me that fans cant make it match by match (its a fucking rip off now) its the fact that the majority of our (so called) supporters are willing to let the club that has so much history to crumble because of two men!

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #140 on: September 6, 2010, 05:46:51 pm »
Not sure what you are trying to achieve with those figures mate.  Why take out STs? 

It’s a fair question. The reason why I took ST support out is that generally it is a breed apart. Often very longstanding, it is almost a club within a club. Almost no-one would give up their STs if we were relegated, and crucially almost no-one would take action which might lose them their ticket. The Main Stand has a significant time served ST presence, yet is amongst the least militant of any section of the ground. You won’t find your Storm troopers there. That is intended as no criticism, just a statement of circumstance. If you feel I have that wrong, I am happy to be corrected.

More generally, it actually suits G&H to have the stadium as is at the moment. The ST holders are reluctant to revolt for the aforementioned reasons. 4000 corporates is still easily saleable, the away 3000 is irrelevant, and it suits them to jack up the prices for the remaining 11,000 odd such that people CAN’T afford to go regularly. Ideally 11,000 “new” supporters over 25 odd home games means 25 times more merchandise sales opportunities than the same people week in, week out, who already have their shirt. The result?   A much reduced protest element.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #141 on: September 6, 2010, 05:50:12 pm »
I think ST holders are as willing to protest as anyone else, the thing is that the avenues of protest available to them are much reduced.

The main problem is one of motivation and getting over the "what difference will it make" factor.
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« Reply #142 on: September 6, 2010, 06:41:43 pm »
I think ST holders are as willing to protest as anyone else, the thing is that the avenues of protest available to them are much reduced.

The main problem is one of motivation and getting over the "what difference will it make" factor.

Is correct.
Some people are confusing vocal protests with match boycotts.
If ANY fan can't be arsed being vocal then getting them to do anything requiring a bit more effort is always going to be increasingly hard.
The Man Utd fans are no different to ours. They are equally apathetic. They have however stumbled across a way of getting media exposure by simply wearing a scarf.

What do we do......we debate for months about how we can't wave a black flag at the game because it will upset someone.

Well we'll see won't we, because we're going to do it anyway.
If people don't like it they can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned and I'm not particularly bothered who or what they think they are.

The time for doing nothing for fear of upsetting someone has long gone and if it continues in that vein will see the end of Liverpool F.C as we know it.
Unfortunately while the Lotus Eaters inside Anfield sit and wait....moan and gripe or simply get their quilt and pillows out, that day is creeping up on us by the second.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #143 on: September 6, 2010, 06:54:26 pm »
I think ST holders are as willing to protest as anyone else, the thing is that the avenues of protest available to them are much reduced.The main problem is one of motivation and getting over the "what difference will it make" factor.
Fair comment.

For ALL of us a key, oft ignored point, is that "G&H out" is not enough.Not a single credible buyer has declared themselves interested "at the right price". I suspect that until, and unless a viable alternative galvanises action, the majority, quite understandably, will hesitatate at backing a leap into the unknown.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #144 on: September 7, 2010, 02:07:55 am »
I agree something needs to be done. However one thing thats really important is what ever it is or says it needs to display Hicks and Gillett not "Yanks Out" on it. Its the most widely used but probably most hindering line for our cause people use.  Its all to easy for anti LFC news agencies to twist and uniformed people to think we want all americans out.

We need everyone around the world to identify the names Tom Hicks and George Gillett as vile greedy twats when people hear their name.

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« Reply #145 on: September 7, 2010, 02:33:05 am »
I agree something needs to be done. However one thing thats really important is what ever it is or says it needs to display Hicks and Gillett not "Yanks Out" on it. Its the most widely used but probably most hindering line for our cause people use.  Its all to easy for anti LFC news agencies to twist and uniformed people to think we want all americans out.

We need everyone around the world to identify the names Tom Hicks and George Gillett as vile greedy twats when people hear their name.

I think it's fair to say that you won't find anything organised by the Campaigns on here that has 'Yanks Out' on it.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #146 on: September 7, 2010, 03:19:36 am »
It’s a fair question. The reason why I took ST support out is that generally it is a breed apart. Often very longstanding, it is almost a club within a club. Almost no-one would give up their STs if we were relegated, and crucially almost no-one would take action which might lose them their ticket. The Main Stand has a significant time served ST presence, yet is amongst the least militant of any section of the ground. You won’t find your Storm troopers there. That is intended as no criticism, just a statement of circumstance. If you feel I have that wrong, I am happy to be corrected.

More generally, it actually suits G&H to have the stadium as is at the moment. The ST holders are reluctant to revolt for the aforementioned reasons. 4000 corporates is still easily saleable, the away 3000 is irrelevant, and it suits them to jack up the prices for the remaining 11,000 odd such that people CAN’T afford to go regularly. Ideally 11,000 “new” supporters over 25 odd home games means 25 times more merchandise sales opportunities than the same people week in, week out, who already have their shirt. The result?   A much reduced protest element.



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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #147 on: September 8, 2010, 02:40:19 am »
Would it be possible to hand leaflets outside/inside the ground instructing people what to do for the protest. Obviously we would need to come up with one first but im just wandering would the stewards object to this and stop people giving out leaflets etc etc... If it is done outside the ground im not sure how they could stop this and its bound to get more attention around the whole ground instead of one area of the ground knowing what is happening and why there is a protest and the other end singing something else drowning out the actual protest.

I just read that back to myself and it sounds soo confusing ;D I hope you all know what i mean though!
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« Reply #148 on: September 12, 2010, 11:38:39 am »
No, I doubt it would cause a problem. SOS have handed out leaflets outside anfield before and there are plenty of SOS posters outside the ground that would have been taken down by now if any club officials had major issues with it.

On the black balloons thing lads.........it's already in hand.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2010, 11:41:44 am »
Fair comment.

For ALL of us a key, oft ignored point, is that "G&H out" is not enough.Not a single credible buyer has declared themselves interested "at the right price". I suspect that until, and unless a viable alternative galvanises action, the majority, quite understandably, will hesitatate at backing a leap into the unknown.
I completely agree with this.

The place or fury of protests and the publicity they receive quite simply will not alter the failure to achieve the desired result..
I don't quite understand this apparent envy of the "green and gold protest" at Old Trafford. Sure, it has captured the imagination of a fawning media, but what at Man United doesn't achieve that? That protest has failed to achieve any sign of the Glazers leaving United, and they continue to pillage the club to pay the interest on their purchase of it. Same situation as us. All it has achievedis infighting amongst United's own supporters. I'm quite sure the Glazers are crying into their Bollinger about that.

The only things that will see Gillet and Hicks leave the club are as follows:

1. They get an offer that is satisfactory to them. This is unlikely. Given the parlous state of their finances they are desparate to hold onto their only remaining meaningful asset or achieve a fantasy figure through selling it. Noone will pay what they ask, as the price will only come down as the club deteriorates and the owners get closer to the breadline.

2. They think it isn't worth it any more. Again, unlikely as it is the only meaningful thing either of them have left in their portfolio.
I would think only genuine fear for their or their families' personal safety would activate this possibility.

3. They are unable to refinance the debt and are therefore forced to sell (or, effectively, the club is repossessed) This is by far and away the most likely scenario.


None of the above will happen because of protests. Not saying they shouldn't happen to help galvanise the matchgoing support, and I will continue to take part in all and any protest or even boycott, but they won't have the desired effect. Contacting the RBS and explaining why they shouldn't refinance is a better solution. Season ticket holders contacting the RBS with their ST number (and members, and corporates) and telling them they won't renew next season with the same owners would be an even better one. Let RBS believe that the regular income streams will be adversely affected by H/G staying and they will be scared shitless of their ability to service the debt. I would be surprised if they refinanced if a good chunk of ST holders (and members/corporates) did that.

Not as exciting or headline grabbing as black protests or not singing YNWA but far more likely to be effective in achieving the aim of removing the cancer.

The bigger problem is how to ensure appropriate successors. The only show in town is SOS/SL to at least have some sort of representation and dialogue, preferably being allowed to buy a share of the club, otherwise we will be continually at the whim of money men who care not a jot about our club.
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« Reply #150 on: September 13, 2010, 04:03:40 pm »
On the black balloons thing lads.........it's already in hand.

Any more info on this?

There you go mate.

I need some volunteers - people who are going to the sunderland game who're willing to distribute black balloons. First and foremost, need one person who I can send them to in the first place and who can then meet and share them with however many distributors come forward. (I'm a boycotter so I've steered clear of Anfield for a year now and therefore can't do it myself. Well, I could come up just to hand them over but I'd probably be divorced...)

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #151 on: September 14, 2010, 05:39:01 pm »
Just caught up with this.

Yes, still need some more volunteers going to Sunderland match - got a couple already.

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #152 on: September 14, 2010, 07:46:05 pm »
Just caught up with this.

Yes, still need some more volunteers going to Sunderland match - got a couple already.

I am happy to help if you let me know where to meet you all.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #153 on: September 18, 2010, 07:13:45 pm »
I posted this as a thread but it seemes to have got lost.

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #154 on: September 18, 2010, 07:21:42 pm »
Since the PL clubs have systematically emasculated their support.We are no better, no worse than the rest.

If you take out away fans, corporates and ST's, we have 11,000 match by match fans in the ground at any time - that is less than Sheffield Wednesday.

Err if you take out the "match by match fans" as well we have less than my local Sunday League team. Not sure what your point is?
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #155 on: September 18, 2010, 07:25:27 pm »
I posted this as a thread but it seemes to have got lost.

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It didn't get lost it got deleted. RAWK will not be involved in pitch invasions. I have no idea who's sending that round but anyone going onto the pitch needs their head examined.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #156 on: September 18, 2010, 07:28:35 pm »
It didn't get lost it got deleted. RAWK will not be involved in pitch invasions. I have no idea who's sending that round but anyone going onto the pitch needs their head examined.

I understand that mate but reading it, it sound more like a  walk on and sit down thing, I think a lot of fans seem to be fed up with nothing going on inside the ground, so i take it that this is not run by SOS?

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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #157 on: September 18, 2010, 08:40:39 pm »
Err if you take out the "match by match fans" as well we have less than my local Sunday League team. Not sure what your point is?
Some assume that a Boycott could have a big impact on attendance.In reality only the Match by Match tickets make a difference, a total of 11,000. Of those, if you allow for those who are visiting once a season from afar etc only a portion of that is "gettable". My point is that the perceived potential impact of a Boycott and the reality that could realistically be attained is quite different.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #158 on: September 18, 2010, 08:50:13 pm »
RAWK will not be involved in pitch invasions. I have no idea who's sending that round but anyone going onto the pitch needs their head examined.
Peaceful sit -in's, which could include a pitch sit in, have a long, noble and successful history. Furthermore, a "Souness style" flag planting (G&H out) mid-game has considerable appeal.

That probably was not what you meant by pitch invasions, but the examples are worth making.
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Re: In match protests, it's time.
« Reply #159 on: September 18, 2010, 09:29:48 pm »
I understand that mate but reading it, it sound more like a  walk on and sit down thing, I think a lot of fans seem to be fed up with nothing going on inside the ground, so i take it that this is not run by SOS?

I doubt it - I'm sure Paul or Graham have said it's been voted down whenever it's been raised. Try dropping Paul or Graham a PM or email SOS direct.
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