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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8000 on: March 27, 2011, 03:06:44 pm »
One thing he seems to do more often for Brazil than us is skillfully turn away from the man pressing him. I don't know if it's peer pressure or just that wearing a Brazilian shirt automatically increases your skill on the ball? ???

Seriously though, I'd like him to do that a bit more for us. Very rarely tries that for us.

i think that may have something to do with the man standing 10 yards further away from the centre circle than the brazillian cbs do, screeming at him to punt the ball. (ducks for cover)

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8001 on: March 27, 2011, 03:07:24 pm »
Speed of the game in the PL is greater though. Plus both Silva and Lucio have he pace to recover is Lucas does lose the ball.
Thats what I was kind of getting to with there always being somthing on if he turns for Brazil.  If its not a forward player it will be a defender
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8002 on: March 27, 2011, 03:13:05 pm »
Great first half from him. Now I want to see the other Lucas (Sao Paulo). Watch him out if he comes on, he's absolutely class

You see this is my problem with the Lucas fans in here. I get the impression that if he coughed you'd clap.

He played fine in the first half. Didn't do anything wrong (apart from a woeful shot) but didn't do anything particularly good either. Let's face it this game should be a stroll given Brazil's supremacy over Scotland.

Great for him and us he's getting games for Brazil now though

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8003 on: March 27, 2011, 03:19:36 pm »
You see this is my problem with the Lucas fans in here. I get the impression that if he coughed you'd clap.

He played fine in the first half. Didn't do anything wrong (apart from a woeful shot) but didn't do anything particularly good either. Let's face it this game should be a stroll given Brazil's supremacy over Scotland.

Great for him and us he's getting games for Brazil now though
So you dont think that was a penalty?
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8004 on: March 27, 2011, 03:23:06 pm »
Usual self, with a slightly better range of passing than usual on display.

The only time that he isn't open and in space to recieve the ball is when he has got it.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8005 on: March 27, 2011, 03:23:12 pm »
You see this is my problem with the Lucas fans in here. I get the impression that if he coughed you'd clap.

He played fine in the first half. Didn't do anything wrong (apart from a woeful shot) but didn't do anything particularly good either. Let's face it this game should be a stroll given Brazil's supremacy over Scotland.

Great for him and us he's getting games for Brazil now though
On the flip side to this there are some on here who would not give him any credit even if he tackled someone on his own 18 yard line dribbled up the pitch flicked it up to himself and overheaded it into the top corner from 25 yards away.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8006 on: March 27, 2011, 03:24:01 pm »


He played fine in the first half. Didn't do anything wrong (apart from a woeful shot) but didn't do anything particularly good either.

What's good for a centre midfielder (who plays mostly as the deepest) by your reckoning.

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« Reply #8007 on: March 27, 2011, 03:24:03 pm »
Usual self, with a slightly better range of passing than usual on display.

The only time that he isn't open and in space to recieve the ball is when he has got it.
Or when drawing a midfielder out of line to open space for others to move into
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8008 on: March 27, 2011, 03:25:20 pm »
So you dont think that was a penalty?

Are you talking about the incident when Lucas got to the touch line and his cross hit the arm of the defender?

If so you've just proved my original point.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8009 on: March 27, 2011, 03:28:10 pm »
Are you talking about the incident when Lucas got to the touch line and his cross hit the arm of the defender?

If so you've just proved my original point.
You said he didnt do anything particularly good. Well thats at least one thing isnt it?
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8010 on: March 27, 2011, 03:28:28 pm »
On the flip side to this there are some on here who would not give him any credit even if he tackled someone on his own 18 yard line dribbled up the pitch flicked it up to himself and overheaded it into the top corner from 25 yards away.

If he did that I absolutely would praise him for it. I'd be delighted if he became a really top class player.


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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8011 on: March 27, 2011, 03:29:04 pm »
If he did that I absolutely would praise him for it. I'd be delighted if he became a really top class player.



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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8012 on: March 27, 2011, 03:32:11 pm »
You see this is my problem with the Lucas fans in here. I get the impression that if he coughed you'd clap.

He played fine in the first half. Didn't do anything wrong (apart from a woeful shot) but didn't do anything particularly good either. Let's face it this game should be a stroll given Brazil's supremacy over Scotland.

Great for him and us he's getting games for Brazil now though
Just fucking leave it mate.
Your clearly just trying to start arguments.
If you can't see his quality, move on and fuck off.
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« Reply #8013 on: March 27, 2011, 03:32:28 pm »
Certainly becoming one...
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8014 on: March 27, 2011, 03:33:33 pm »
The other Lucas has just came on in the Brazil game.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8015 on: March 27, 2011, 03:35:34 pm »
You see this is my problem with the Lucas fans in here. I get the impression that if he coughed you'd clap.
Don't worry about it mate, I know what you mean.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8016 on: March 27, 2011, 03:36:55 pm »
Did Neymar play

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8017 on: March 27, 2011, 03:40:25 pm »
Did Neymar play

Scored both goals.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8018 on: March 27, 2011, 03:40:36 pm »
It was only a friendly, but it was clear to see what the brasil manager is after..

I am sure they´ll win the world cup.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8019 on: March 27, 2011, 03:40:43 pm »
Did Neymar play
Yep.
Scored twice (one pen) so far.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8020 on: March 27, 2011, 03:41:30 pm »
Who is that number 21 on Brazil that fucked up that attack on the right?
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« Reply #8021 on: March 27, 2011, 03:42:02 pm »
A lovely forward pass by Lucas there in case anyone missed it.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8022 on: March 27, 2011, 03:44:16 pm »
If he did that I absolutely would praise him for it. I'd be delighted if he became a really top class player.



I know u would mate but in our opinion he is a fine midfielder and is growing from strength to strength. U don't appreciate what he brings to our team and Brazil's team. In a few years he will be Tue heart of our midfield and only then will you understand his quality.

I have to modify this post after just watching the first half. He has been fantastic. Those diagonal balls and his overall positioning, his turning out of pressure. He has been great. Once he gets that movement in the Liverpool team he will be so much better.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8023 on: March 27, 2011, 03:44:18 pm »
A lovely forward pass by Lucas there in case anyone missed it.
Of course they'll have missed it - in their mind he's only in the Brazil squad for friendlies.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8024 on: March 27, 2011, 03:45:30 pm »
Done ok but ain't really noticed him it's been the neymar show!

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8026 on: March 27, 2011, 03:47:34 pm »
Done ok but ain't really noticed him it's been the neymar show!
He dominated the midfield and, really the game, in the first half.
If you can't see that you clearly weren't watching the game very closely.
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« Reply #8027 on: March 27, 2011, 03:47:52 pm »
He is shit, didnt even play the 90 mins.  Obvious the manager does not rate him
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8028 on: March 27, 2011, 03:48:14 pm »
You see this is my problem with the Lucas fans in here. I get the impression that if he coughed you'd clap.

He played fine in the first half. Didn't do anything wrong (apart from a woeful shot) but didn't do anything particularly good either.

See, this is the problem with your argument.

It´s about having a TEAM. A team of players playing together, having their duties, doing their jobs and making as little mistakes as possible.

But to recognize this, you have to know first what the job of a deep sitting holding midfielder is.

Knowing exactly when to tackle, knowing how to make yourself available in order to give the player with the ball an option to pass to AND covering the gaps at the same time.  How to know to play in triangles still covering the center etc. etc.

Believe it or not but Chelsea struggled a lot because they couldn´t replace Ballack proberly. For years I heard very similar arguments about Ballack as with Lucas now and they were just as wrong. In fact the balance was completely gone.

I could go on for hours but it´s really the same thing over and over again. It´s not about judging the player. It´s judging what he is doing in order to make the team work better. THIS is especially true for holding midfielders but more or less for every position in a team.

A great attacking full back is nothing without knowing how to move together with the defense line. f.e.

Bottom line. You won´t find too many players who can do the job Lucas is doing in his position. Yes, there are better ones, but only a few. And yes, there have been some outstanding players in this position like Marcel Dessailly or Makele who were adding an outstanding flavour to their job.

But stating Lucas did nothing particular good is just so wrong in any respect of what football is about. 

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8029 on: March 27, 2011, 03:48:54 pm »
In the first case, I was describing what the team would ideally consist of. If I could shape it myself, this is what I would have, players who can do a bit of everything. I've had thoughts about this before, but I fully came to this conclusion after watching the compartmentalised Liverpool, with all the highly specialised players, ponderously poke around post-Alonso. Whenever I say the team shoud be built around Lucas, this is what I mean. If players can't take on a bit of responsibility in everything, but instead expect to do just their specialist bit then leave it to the next layer, they shoudln't be playing for Liverpool.

In the second case, I was trying to make sense of what Benitez was trying to do with the team, when I saw the potential of the Lucas-Mascherano combo. Say whatever you want about them, but they were highly effective at breaking things up in midfield so that little coordination could come through there. If an opponent's game relied on short passing through the midfield, they could reliably foul up their wheels. This was a potent weapon if there was a wish to turn towards another specialised game post-Alonso. It's not what I'd ideally like, which is the no-specialisation goal, but it could be effective in its own right, if the team was built around it.

I've just noticed that you point to Alonso as an example of a more well-rounded midfielder. Which rather misses the point. In all the criticisms I've made of Alonso, none of them especially involve the player himself, but more how other players relate to him. Drop Alonso into an already functioning team and he'll do well, as will the team. Build the team around him and, well, the results are evident. I keep hammering on about Alonso, not because of Alonso himself, but because of the other players.

The one issue I have with your first comment was the compartmentalized portion, highly specialized etc as surely this team was still the one that devastated Utd Real & co, players like Lucas. Agger, Johnson, SG, Kuyt etc all who can play in several roles if asked. Hardly compartmentalized although in Rafa’s hands some players movements were restricted I believe but under Roys they were destroyed.
The Lucas Masch combo was very limited, end of. Of course they were excellent breaking up play as you had two players doing what one holding player normally should be doing. Two players patrolling the ten yards in front of the backline and not one of them breaking often enough forward  to assist the front 6.

Not sure where I missed the point on Alonso as whether he is dropped into a functioning team or a dysfunctional one he elevates those around him to be better. It’s what you would expect from your midfield general and what you would expect from any great Liverpool midfielder. At the moment we don’t have a general in there which may explain some of our issues over the past 18 months.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8030 on: March 27, 2011, 03:49:46 pm »
Good performance from him.

Is that it for Brasil this week?
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8031 on: March 27, 2011, 03:53:46 pm »
Good performance from him.

Is that it for Brasil this week?
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« Reply #8032 on: March 27, 2011, 03:54:48 pm »
Good. Could do with a bit of a rest.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8033 on: March 27, 2011, 04:00:55 pm »
the other lucas is a fucking machine

when he starts running with the ball nobody stops him

the brazil manager is going easy with the youngsters.. but with neymar and lucas (the sao paulo one) brazil will win the world cup easily IMO

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8034 on: March 27, 2011, 04:09:54 pm »
the other lucas is a fucking machine

when he starts running with the ball nobody stops him

the brazil manager is going easy with the youngsters.. but with neymar and lucas (the sao paulo one) brazil will win the world cup easily IMO

Don´t forget the rest of the gang.. Robinho, Pato, Kaka...

Their manager is about to build the right system, the right frame and than just replacing players down to their best shape.

They will be unstoppable in two years and win the world cup. No doubt.
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8035 on: March 27, 2011, 04:10:42 pm »
Typical Lucas performance - didn't do much all game yet people are creaming themselves over him.
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« Reply #8036 on: March 27, 2011, 04:12:53 pm »
Even Southgate clocked on to what a good performance it was from him.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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« Reply #8037 on: March 27, 2011, 04:14:06 pm »
Even Southgate clocked on to what a good performance it was from him.

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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8038 on: March 27, 2011, 04:14:32 pm »
I think Rafa signed the wrong Lucas.

(Joking, obviously. Thought I'd get it in before the haters get a chance).
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Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« Reply #8039 on: March 27, 2011, 04:18:33 pm »
Don´t forget the rest of the gang.. Robinho, Pato, Kaka...

Their manager is about to build the right system, the right frame and than just replacing players down to their best shape.

They will be unstoppable in two years and win the world cup. No doubt.

Add Ganso to that as well.