Author Topic: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion (Read 1054133 times)

7777 · « **Reply #360 on:** May 30, 2011, 12:05:19 pm »

Quote from: DanFromMars on May 29, 2011, 05:12:26 pm

Thought episode 7 was a bit boring.

I'd check for a pulse

ghost1359 · « **Reply #361 on:** May 30, 2011, 12:10:16 pm »

Am I the only one that doesn't really give a flying fuck about what happens in the south? I'm much more interested in the north/winter/white walkers.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #362 on:** May 30, 2011, 12:25:03 pm »

Thanks a lot Redcap!

xavidub · « **Reply #363 on:** May 30, 2011, 05:16:16 pm »

Reading the book atm. The story is interesting enough to hold the attention but the quality of the writing is dreadful. Cormac Mac Carthy it isn't.

ghost1359 · « **Reply #364 on:** May 30, 2011, 05:53:29 pm »

The series isn't any better mate, I'm sticking with it because it has the potential to be a good story but the lines are horribly corny & the plot is at times, ridiculous. But hey, with things like this you take that risk.

Trada · « **Reply #365 on:** May 30, 2011, 07:29:38 pm »

Just watched the latest one found it all a bit boring apart from the last 10 minutes and what was the point of the lesbian scene it seemed to be this will help the ratings.

mbroon · « **Reply #366 on:** May 30, 2011, 08:25:21 pm »

I agree with the above post and also, it's very... back and forth.

ghost1359 · « **Reply #367 on:** May 30, 2011, 08:31:05 pm »

how are people already on episode 8 btw? the latest I can find is ep 7 & that was uploaded 15 hours ago

Surely it's not taking over a week for someone to pump the torrents out?

Trada · « **Reply #368 on:** May 30, 2011, 09:17:07 pm »

Quote from: ghost1359 on May 30, 2011, 08:31:05 pm

how are people already on episode 8 btw? the latest I can find is ep 7 & that was uploaded 15 hours ago Surely it's not taking over a week for someone to pump the torrents out?

That is the latest one.

Apollo · « **Reply #369 on:** May 30, 2011, 10:20:07 pm »

That fucking ending.

I hate it when it gets too convoluted with all the double-crossing, it loses a lot of realism and makes you wonder why anyone ever believes anyone else. Aside from that, really enjoyed it as usual, up to the last 20 seconds.

stevedo · « **Reply #370 on:** May 30, 2011, 10:47:04 pm »

Overall a decent episode but not as good as previous. Hope its just a blip.

Focus groups had better not fuck it up.

Redcap · « **Reply #371 on:** May 31, 2011, 03:55:07 am »

Quote from: Apollo on May 30, 2011, 10:20:07 pm

I hate it when it gets too convoluted with all the double-crossing, it loses a lot of realism and makes you wonder why anyone ever believes anyone else.

Quote from: stevedo on May 30, 2011, 10:47:04 pm

Focus groups had better not fuck it up.

Assuming you guys are talking about episode 7, it's more or less exactly how it unfolded in the novel. Focus groups have little to do with it. As far the double-crossing, this entire story is about political intrigue and double-crossing- none more so than for that particular character, who is the biggest manipulator in the whole cast. I think you only have to see the episode where Littlefinger is taking Ned around and showing him all the spies of all the different people at King's Landing to realize what the game is all about.

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And I think Baelish betraying Ned was fairly well foreshadowed throughout the episode and series. You can see it coming from a million miles away. The guy has the word sneaky branded on his forehead- and then you have his feelings towards the Starks for taking Catelyn Tully away from him.

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Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #372 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:49:54 am »

Quote from: Redcap on May 31, 2011, 03:55:07 am

Assuming you guys are talking about episode 7, it's more or less exactly how it unfolded in the novel. Focus groups have little to do with it. As far the double-crossing, this entire story is about political intrigue and double-crossing- none more so than for that particular character, who is the biggest manipulator in the whole cast. I think you only have to see the episode where Littlefinger is taking Ned around and showing him all the spies of all the different people at King's Landing to realize what the game is all about.

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And I think Baelish betraying Ned was fairly well foreshadowed throughout the episode and series. You can see it coming from a million miles away. The guy has the word sneaky branded on his forehead- and then you have his feelings towards the Starks for taking Catelyn Tully away from him.
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Amazing, isn't it? People are actually moaning about there being too much backstabbing? It's a political drama, it's all about gaining power, this isn't some show where there's just going to be epic battles and sword play every episode. Why can't people understand that by now?

And someone up there said the writing is dreadful. Hahahaha! No.

Personally, I think this is the best show on tv right now.

ghost1359 · « **Reply #373 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:16:43 am »

The script writing is poor, some of the lines they come out with are cheesy to the point of cringeworthy. Some of the things they say just don't even seem in keeping with the style of the programme. I'm gonna stick with it because like I said the story is interesting & I really wanna know what's going on north of the wall etc but lets not make out as if this is the greatest tv show ever, it's not even Hbo's greatest tv show ever...

Redcap · « **Reply #374 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:42:00 am »

Quote from: ghost1359 on May 31, 2011, 11:16:43 am

The script writing is poor, some of the lines they come out with are cheesy to the point of cringeworthy. Some of the things they say just don't even seem in keeping with the style of the programme. I'm gonna stick with it because like I said the story is interesting & I really wanna know what's going on north of the wall etc but lets not make out as if this is the greatest tv show ever, it's not even Hbo's greatest tv show ever...

Some spoilers for you mate- for your benefit so as to not waste your time- not much happens north of the wall. Maybe.. a quarter of everything that happens, happens there, if that? There, as elsewhere, things develop very gradually though Jon is one of the real main characters of the story. If you're waiting for big things to happen there you might be waiting around.. 5 years, assuming this keeps going till season 6 (the 6th book, as yet unwritten, is called "The Winds of Winter.") and they churn them out at a season a year.

Given the fact that you're not interested in what's happening in the south, maybe your interpretation of the style of the program is not exactly on the money?

And Could He Play · « **Reply #375 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:47:32 am »

great stuff again, cant wait for the next one.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #376 on:** May 31, 2011, 01:14:07 pm »

Just catching up with this, it's very very good aint it?

Very slow burning, but that's what it needs to be. It's all going to pay off in the future anyway, they're laying the foundations well here.

As has been said, Dinklage is the standout, but that's down to his character being so great.

The depth and layers to the show are so impressive, they've done a cracking job thus far.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #377 on:** May 31, 2011, 01:31:47 pm »

Forgot to say. How awesome are the opening credits? Love the music and the vastness of it.

Gromit · « **Reply #378 on:** May 31, 2011, 01:58:57 pm »

Quote from: Redcap on May 31, 2011, 03:55:07 am

Assuming you guys are talking about episode 7, it's more or less exactly how it unfolded in the novel. Focus groups have little to do with it. As far the double-crossing, this entire story is about political intrigue and double-crossing- none more so than for that particular character, who is the biggest manipulator in the whole cast. I think you only have to see the episode where Littlefinger is taking Ned around and showing him all the spies of all the different people at King's Landing to realize what the game is all about.

Just wait til the bloodshed really starts happening, I think many people will be shocked by the scale of it and complain about how 'unfair' it all seems.

Redcap · « **Reply #379 on:** May 31, 2011, 02:27:13 pm »

Quote from: Gromit on May 31, 2011, 01:58:57 pm

Just wait til the bloodshed really starts happening, I think many people will be shocked by the scale of it and complain about how 'unfair' it all seems.

Haha.. that was me a couple of days ago just on the previous page of this thread after I read ASoS.

Komic · « **Reply #380 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:06:03 pm »

The different level of spoilers in this thread is annoying. Some use spoilers to talk about what happened in the latest episode, whereas other use them to talk about the book. Is it possible for the people who are posting book spoilers just to put some warning its about future plot points of the show?

Captain Wolf Biscuit · « **Reply #381 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:05:41 pm »

Think I just accidentally read a spoiler I shouldn't have.

Zaffarious · « **Reply #382 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:27:13 pm »

Quote from: Komic on May 31, 2011, 06:06:03 pm

The different level of spoilers in this thread is annoying. Some use spoilers to talk about what happened in the latest episode, whereas other use them to talk about the book. Is it possible for the people who are posting book spoilers just to put some warning its about future plot points of the show?

totally agree, its begining to piss me off. if you mention anything in the book, then please start with

BOOK SPOILER

Spoiler

THIS IS A FCKING SPOILER

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Apollo · « **Reply #383 on:** May 31, 2011, 08:37:21 pm »

Quote from: Dr Manhattan on May 31, 2011, 10:49:54 am

Amazing, isn't it? People are actually moaning about there being too much backstabbing? It's a political drama, it's all about gaining power, this isn't some show where there's just going to be epic battles and sword play every episode. Why can't people understand that by now?

Amazing isn't it? I said I was annoyed because the schemers scheming behind schemers' backs was too convoluted and unconvincing at the end of episode 7, amazing. I know it's a political drama, there's no need to be smug and condescending thanks.

7777 · « **Reply #384 on:** May 31, 2011, 08:46:06 pm »

Quote from: Gromit on May 31, 2011, 02:42:34 pm

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I think there's a real possibility this show is going to lose a large chunk of viewers after most of the 'good guys' are killed off, especially the excellent Sean Bean. Who's going to care once it becomes a squabble for power between a bunch of unlikeable arses? For me Martin has tried too hard for drama by killing off the noble characters and leaving most of the self-centred ones to fight another day (and that's just within the Stark family). Jon Snow is the natural successor to Ned as the 'hero' of the show, but as he's sidelined in the north there's not an awful lot for him to do.
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FFS

jammy dodger · « **Reply #385 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:44:53 pm »

I spoiled it for myself a couple of weeks ago. I just couldn't help looking up background information about characters and I found out the big news for the first book/season that shat on my parade a bit. Oh well, i'm halfway through the book now. My mate let me borrow the first three and i'm reading them like it is my job.

Rusty Oysterburger · « **Reply #386 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:03:36 pm »

Can't believe people are saying ep 7 was boring, that was one of my favourites so far! Loved all the political wrangling, manipualtion and backstabbing. Another great ending too, yeah I saw it coming but it was no less thrilling for it.

The cast just really sell it; Lena Hedley, Sean Bean, Aiden Gillen and the lad playing Joffrey are all fantastic and know how to play the material just right. Not too camp or 'scenery chewy' (although there is definitely a place for that in this type of show eg. Drogo's big speech) and not too subdued either. You can tell they're having fun and relish it... which rubs off on me

This is the first show since Lost where I've been dying to see new episodes straight after one finishes, can't get enough of it.

Also, aren't HBO the complete masters of opening titles? This one is the latest in a long line of classics, don't mind sitting through it every time.

jammy dodger · « **Reply #387 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:05:42 pm »

People keep mentioning to me that the credits change as the story develops. Has anyone noticed this?

Acaustiq · « **Reply #388 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:07:34 pm »

Quote from: Rusty Oysterburger on May 31, 2011, 10:03:36 pm

Can't believe people are saying ep 7 was boring, that was one of my favourites so far! Loved all the political wrangling, manipualtion and backstabbing. Another great ending too, yeah I saw it coming but it was no less thrilling for it.

Quite, I thought it was the best one so far.

Rusty Oysterburger · « **Reply #389 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:20:28 pm »

Quote from: Acaustiq on May 31, 2011, 10:07:34 pm

Quite, I thought it was the best one so far.

Indeed, I didn't even miss Dinklage.

Ziltoid · « **Reply #390 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:18:44 pm »

Quote from: Trada on May 30, 2011, 07:29:38 pm

Just watched the latest one found it all a bit boring apart from the last 10 minutes and what was the point of the lesbian scene it seemed to be this will help the ratings.

My other half asked that (she hasn't watched any), I told her that it was all part of the plot.

Trada · « **Reply #391 on:** June 1, 2011, 01:44:17 am »

Quote from: Ziltoid on May 31, 2011, 11:18:44 pm

My other half asked that (she hasn't watched any), I told her that it was all part of the plot.

A girl being fisted up the ass always helps with the plot I guess.

Trada · « **Reply #392 on:** June 1, 2011, 01:48:14 am »

Quote from: Rusty Oysterburger on May 31, 2011, 10:03:36 pm

Can't believe people are saying ep 7 was boring, that was one of my favourites so far! Loved all the political wrangling, manipualtion and backstabbing. Another great ending too.

Come on the twists and turns right now are as complicated as reading a famous 5 novel and the ending you could see a mile off they set that up about 2 episodes ago.

The first rule of trust club is never trust someone who says don't trust me.

Trada · « **Reply #393 on:** June 1, 2011, 01:55:35 am »

I'm just waiting for Blondie to be flying around on a Dragon with a little bit of nipple showing.

I don't know if that will happen but I have a feeling it will.

Redcap · « **Reply #394 on:** June 1, 2011, 04:31:28 am »

Quote from: Trada on June 1, 2011, 01:55:35 am

I'm just waiting for Blondie to be flying around on a Dragon with a little bit of nipple showing.

I don't know if that will happen but I have a feeling it will.

Not any time soon.

About the spoilers: every time I post a book spoiler I'm quite clear about it being a book spoiler, at least by talking about it being from the book ahead of time or even with a book spoiler tag. In any case if it's in spoiler tags you should probably be careful as the show is an adaptation, no?

Quote from: Apollo on May 31, 2011, 08:37:21 pm

Amazing isn't it? I said I was annoyed because the schemers scheming behind schemers' backs was too convoluted and unconvincing at the end of episode 7, amazing. I know it's a political drama, there's no need to be smug and condescending thanks.

It's one of those things that will make more sense with time, consistent with the characters. And yes, there's no reason to trust anyone at King's Landing. I think that's one of the points to take away from the whole show. That's what makes Ned different.

Hannibal · « **Reply #395 on:** June 1, 2011, 05:10:10 am »

New meme - Stupid Ned Stark

http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/introducing-stupid-ned-stark

Redcap · « **Reply #396 on:** June 1, 2011, 05:23:21 am »

Ned is a bit lacking in subtlety, but I think he gets a bit of a bad rap for being a good man. Probably doesn't deserve as much ridicule as he gets.

jammy dodger · « **Reply #397 on:** June 1, 2011, 07:05:34 am »

My man has not an ounce of cunning in his body and is surrounded by the most cunning and ruthless people in all of Westeros and happens to know the secret that will bring it all tumbling down. There is no honor in shooting yourself in the foot. If he doesn't care to be King that is one thing (and fair enough) but you have to have a bit of cleverness when your life is on the line.

Rusty Oysterburger · « **Reply #398 on:** June 1, 2011, 09:38:21 am »

Quote from: Trada on June 1, 2011, 01:48:14 am

Come on the twists and turns right now are as complicated as reading a famous 5 novel and the ending you could see a mile off they set that up about 2 episodes ago.

The first rule of trust club is never trust someone who says don't trust me.

If you had bothered to quote the rest of my post you would see that I knew it was coming and that it was no less entertaining because of that. I'm not saying it's complicated either, 90% of the characters are schemeing scumbags so you know everyone is only out for themselves... that's what makes it fun to watch!

Some of the plotting isn't subtle, Stark reading aloud from the history book and his "oh shit!" face was really awful and clunky. But it's also thrown in some surprising plot twists that I didn't see coming.

Not funny reecehenebry · « **Reply #399 on:** June 1, 2011, 11:07:21 am »

Quote from: Rusty Oysterburger on June 1, 2011, 09:38:21 am

If you had bothered to quote the rest of my post you would see that I knew it was coming and that it was no less entertaining because of that. I'm not saying it's complicated either, 90% of the characters are schemeing scumbags so you know everyone is only out for themselves... that's what makes it fun to watch!

Some of the plotting isn't subtle, Stark reading aloud from the history book and his "oh shit!" face was really awful and clunky. But it's also thrown in some surprising plot twists that I didn't see coming.

Also it's just starting. The plots are often set over three and four books and you only think them finished.

People need to rememeber that the books aren't set around 'heros' and 'villains'. As the series grows we learn more about the people and the reasons for their nature. People are accustomed to liking the good guys and hating the bad guys, or at least liking the bad guys becuase they are anti-heros. Martin just ignores all that and creates people. Some you like some you hate, some do horrid things yet you like them and some are good but you dislike them.