Topic: Rafa knocks back contract

[Narf]

Or he could be seen as spitting his dummy out and throwing his toys out of the pram because he has not got his way again, there are always two sides.

True, but is there anyone who thinks he shouldn't be given more control of signing?

[7777]

I do remember reading a story in Carra's book about being called into Rafa's office and Rafa saying he would extend his contract without a pay-rise.

Carra fumed and got onto his advisor who got onto Parry and everything was sorted

Can imagine Rafa upsetting some apple carts if he was to have control of contract negotations and he is one stubborn fucker

Not sure he should even be getting involved in stuff like that, he is too controlling, I want him to be a coach and concentrate on us winning the league

There is obviously some issues with Rafa not getting first targets and things taking too long so there is room for improvements or even a compromise with regards to roles and responsibilities but lets have the manager concentrate on bringing home number 19 and not being breaking fucking news every Friday

[fry]

so give rafa benitez carte blanche  ?

Yes, within a budget set out by new owners hopefully, some money that has not been borrowed.

[mainstandred]

stand your ground Rafa lad,the match going fans back you 100%
has you will see on Monday night.

What is it about is it all about Rafa benitez or is about Liverpool Football Club playing football .

Because all i have seen for a week now is rafa this and rafa that nothing about the games coming up .

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

is rafa not doing what anyone would do when bargaining? Make an outlandish request and then get knocked down to what you expect with the hope to get more than you expected. Rather than suggest what you want and got knocked down to below that.

[Danny Boys Dad]

I do remember reading a story in Carra's book about being called into Rafa's office and Rafa saying he would extend his contract without a pay-rise.

Carra fumed and got onto his advisor who got onto Parry and everything was sorted

I read that as well, Carra came across as a bit of an Ashley Cole over it didn't he? 

lets have the manager concentrate on bringing home number 19 and not being breaking fucking news every Friday

Amen

[mulfella]

so give rafa benitez carte blanche  ?

Its not Carte Blanche though is it?

You give him a set budget and he works within it. simple. If he fails there are no excuses or blame to be spread around.

Surround him with a support team to handle the actual buying and selling, but Rafa says the yes or no within the budgets he's got.

[mainstandred]

is rafa not doing what anyone would do when bargaining? Make an outlandish request and then get knocked down to what you expect with the hope to get more than you expected. Rather than suggest what you want and got knocked down to below that.

no problem with negotiations on going but to make it public like he has in a massive week is wrong especially after a week of the fighting with man utd .

[royhendo]

so give rafa benitez carte blanche  ?

Yes. If he then proceeds to fuck things up within the pre-planned budgetary constraints, then so be it. If not, then so be it.

Either way these are the conditions that ambitious managers want to work under. Rafa, Mourinho, whoever is at the very top end of the profession - they want control of their project if they're going to be asked to implement a long-term sporting project.

As things stand we have a redundant step in our process that wastes opportunity after opportunity and causes problems where they could be avoided.

If Rafa had dealt with O'Neill directly this summer, it would have been simple. Rafa says "how much for Barry?" O'Neill says "a lot more than you can afford and we'll fight you tooth and nail". Rafa says "OK then we'll leave it - cheers."

[mainstandred]

Yes. If he then proceeds to fuck things up within the pre-planned budgetary constraints, then so be it. If not, then so be it.

Either way these are the conditions that ambitious managers want to work under. Rafa, Mourinho, whoever is at the very top end of the profession - they want control of their project if they're going to be asked to implement a long-term sporting project.

As things stand we have a redundant step in our process that wastes opportunity after opportunity and causes problems where they could be avoided.

If Rafa had dealt with O'Neill directly this summer, it would have been simple. Rafa says "how much for Barry?" O'Neill says "a lot more than you can afford and we'll fight you tooth and nail". Rafa says "OK then we'll leave it - cheers."

yes and alonso would be gone , and kenyon at chelsea done and does all deals same as gill united so on and so on .

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

no problem with negotiations on going but to make it public like he has in a massive week is wrong especially after a week of the fighting with man utd .

i think it is good timing as nothing is going to distract anyone from 2 games against everton. Everyone will be so up for it. I personally think it is good timing but i can see why you dont

[Jason McG]

is rafa not doing what anyone would do when bargaining? Make an outlandish request and then get knocked down to what you expect with the hope to get more than you expected. Rather than suggest what you want and got knocked down to below that.

Read the comments from Rafa in the Echo and quote the 'outlandish requests' please.

[IrishDave]

The "blank cheque" was a figure of speech, but I don't think that he should be able to spend the money as he sees fit - he should have to run his purchases past someone.

Why not? As long as he works within the budget stipulated by the board, what's the problem? Do you want him to take footballing advice from the board?

If Rafa gets the blame for the poor results then he should at least be allowed to buy whoever he wants so that it is his team out there.

He is not asking for £100m to blow on one player. He is not asking for a blank cheque.

[Bogman]

no problem with negotiations on going but to make it public like he has in a massive week is wrong especially after a week of the fighting with man utd .

Funnilty enough, everyone is talking about this and NOT the two games against the bluescum.

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

yes and alonso would be gone , and kenyon at chelsea done and does all deals same as gill united so on and so on .

if rafa had been backed we would have had barry and alonso.
we dont have a kenyon or a gill though. You are talking about money no object for both and united is excellently run

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

rafa has focused everything on him, when mourinho did it he was a genius

[rafabenihill]

Correct .
This club of ours is called Liverpool Football Club 

Not Rafa Benitez Football Club .

yeah here u go again pitting rafa against u loyal supporters..
its never rafa vs liverpool fc, u hypocrites

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

Read the comments from Rafa in the Echo and quote the 'outlandish requests' please.

complete control could be deemed as over the top, i dont know the ins and outs though.  Maybe outlandish is the worng word.
I think you get the gist of my post though. Aim high and get knocked down to what you want or maybe more than you expected

[SallyCinnamon]

The "blank cheque" was a figure of speech, but I don't think that he should be able to spend the money as he sees fit - he should have to run his purchases past someone.

Could you explain to me why/how you think like that because for the life of me i just don't understand,as far as i am comcerned Rafa should be given a budget each season and then work from said budget buying and selling players as & when he sees fit..

Without that freedom it is impossible for anyone to fully judge him and when the shoe fits for him to take the blame when things go wrong.

[royhendo]

yes and alonso would be gone , and kenyon at chelsea done and does all deals same as gill united so on and so on .

How would Alonso be gone? Juve never met the asking price, nor did Arsenal. Do we thank Parry for that?

[SallyCinnamon]

yes and alonso would be gone , and kenyon at chelsea done and does all deals same as gill united so on and so on .

Gill does what he is told when it comes to transfers.

[royhendo]

Anyway, even if Rafa had been in the siuation he wants and he had sold Alonso, it would be his head on the chopping block. No excuses, no complaints. That's fair enough in my view.

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

i agree , back the manager, if he fails then he goes but what is deemed as failure as look at wengers trophy haul over the last 13 years and his current team's performance and position.

[SallyCinnamon]

Anyway, even if Rafa had been in the siuation he wants and he had sold Alonso, it would be his head on the chopping block. No excuses, no complaints. That's fair enough in my view.

And that is the way it should be,the buck stops with Rafa but only if he's not got one arm tied behind his back.

[StormyDog]

I do remember reading a story in Carra's book about being called into Rafa's office and Rafa saying he would extend his contract without a pay-rise.

Carra fumed and got onto his advisor who got onto Parry and everything was sorted

Can imagine Rafa upsetting some apple carts if he was to have control of contract negotations and he is one stubborn fucker

Not sure he should even be getting involved in stuff like that, he is too controlling, I want him to be a coach and concentrate on us winning the league

There is obviously some issues with Rafa not getting first targets and things taking too long so there is room for improvements or even a compromise with regards to roles and responsibilities but lets have the manager concentrate on bringing home number 19 and not being breaking fucking news every Friday

From the same source (Carra's book)
The second 1/2 of that offer was that Rafa had put massive win and cup bonuses which at the time was something Carra wasn't used to.

IMO Rafa want players to fight for every win, not be happy to coast on £100K a week.
Gerrard / Torres even Kuyt to some extent are less motivated by money than the rest.

[xerxes]

Why not? As long as he works within the budget stipulated by the board, what's the problem? Do you want him to take footballing advice from the board?

The problem is that when people have had that kind of power in the past, they have put sections of it in brown envelopes and given it to other managers. Not saying Rafa would do that, but there are now rules to stop that kind of thing.

[the_red_pill]

One of us must have misunderstood Rafa's demands. As far as I can tell he only wants to work freely withing his budgets, wich means that he isn't making any committments on behalf of the club that it can't afford. It's not like Rafa is wanting to control the entire financial piece of the club, and I am sure he is aware that it is someone else who has to make the final siging of the checks, he just wants to have the final word in who is getting bought, and if he finds it fit to spend all of the transferbudget on one player, then the club should buy that player as long as its withing the limits of the budget, and not give a shit about who that player is, as it is up to the manager to create the team. They should just make sure the club does well economically, and set the boundaries for the manager to work within.

IIRC, there were talk of "commercial appeal" on these boards during the summer. Were they being serious or are these just rumours?
For instance- signing an obviously talented player with fan appeal instead of a player with talent only- sort of like a football club that moonlights as a modelling agency/Pop Idols. If it were, Hicks would certainly make for a very, very, poor man's Simon Cowell.

[SallyCinnamon]

The problem is that when people have had that kind of power in the past, they have put sections of it in brown envelopes and given it to other managers. Not saying Rafa would do that, but there are now rules to stop that kind of thing.

Sorry but that is a rubbish stance for notr giving him the control Football is alot more transparent than it was back in the days of Brown envelopes.

[HARRY G]

Sorry to sound a bit obvious.....but even though i dislike the yanks as much as anyone....... is it not true that like it or not they are the employers and Rafa is one of their employees.

Since when has an employee had total control of their bosses finances?

[fowlermagic]

The one arm tied behind his back views sure look true when you look at our bench last week....Torres, Keane, Babel & Dossena..60m plus of talent sitting on tehbench sure has most people thinking how can rafa win the league with such a disadvantage.

Thats it, better things to talk about me thinks.

[Pissin all over the world]

I wonder how much that c*nt Parrys got to do with this? Throwing his 50 pence worth in, the power tripping tit

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

i think the best players have commercial appeal anyway, rooney and ronaldinho are hardly lookers

[4pool]

Sorry to sound a bit obvious.....but even though i dislike the yanks as much as anyone....... is it not true that like it or not they are the employers and Rafa is one of their employees.

Since when has an employee had total control of their bosses finances?

happens all the time in business.

Here's your budget.

Any special request you go back to the bosses.

[rafabenihill]

Sorry to sound a bit obvious.....but even though i dislike the yanks as much as anyone....... is it not true that like it or not they are the employers and Rafa is one of their employees.

Since when has an employee had total control of their bosses finances?

 

[mulfella]

Sorry to sound a bit obvious.....but even though i dislike the yanks as much as anyone....... is it not true that like it or not they are the employers and Rafa is one of their employees.

Since when has an employee had total control of their bosses finances?

He wouldn't. He would be given a budget for the football side of the operation, set by the board and chief financial officer.

Much like any commercial venture.

In my time as an IT maanger, I'd apply for and be given a budget to spend towards achieving the goals of the company. Any special expenditure to be signed off but control other than that was mine.

I had to get results though.........

happens all the time in business.

Here's your budget.

Any special request you go back to the bosses.

Agrees with 4pool shocker

[Red_Skippy]

Fukn' Yanks! Are Americans ever good for anything?

[RAFA - 6 - 19]

rafa will be judged on results, if we come 2nd i get the impression there will be boos at anfield and some fans wont be happy

i dont think fans are preapred for the likelihood we could fail this season and then push on next season, they want a leapfrog from 4th to 1st without the pain of missing out. It is understandable but maybe not so realistic

Rafa has great contacts too which helps. Rafa, Masch, Maradona and Torres may help us sign a certain someone for a lower price than others may have to pay

[royhendo]

I do remember reading a story in Carra's book about being called into Rafa's office and Rafa saying he would extend his contract without a pay-rise.

Carra fumed and got onto his advisor who got onto Parry and everything was sorted

Can imagine Rafa upsetting some apple carts if he was to have control of contract negotations and he is one stubborn fucker

Not sure he should even be getting involved in stuff like that, he is too controlling, I want him to be a coach and concentrate on us winning the league

There is obviously some issues with Rafa not getting first targets and things taking too long so there is room for improvements or even a compromise with regards to roles and responsibilities but lets have the manager concentrate on bringing home number 19 and not being breaking fucking news every Friday

It's like the BBC "Storyville" documentary Barca, showing how they turned the club round from a debt-ridden nightmare scenario to a world class operation. One of the first things they did was mandate performance-related contracts - you even get an insight into the negotiations for Davids to come and play there, and you watch as players who were happy to coast along and pick their wages up get pissed off and prepare to leave (Kluivert, Motta, and so forth).

One thing's for sure, if those were the standard contract structures in place at the club, you'd have a lot fewer Pennant-style situations, and you'd only retain players who are properly motivated, which at a club with budgetary issues to address and limited income compared with our direct competitors (which has just gotten worse with Man City's madness), is possibly a good thing.

[west_london_red]

Sorry to sound a bit obvious.....but even though i dislike the yanks as much as anyone....... is it not true that like it or not they are the employers and Rafa is one of their employees.

Since when has an employee had total control of their bosses finances?

I dont think he wants control of the lunch budget and how much the cleaners get paid.

[shelovesyou]

Fukn' Yanks! Are Americans ever good for anything?

Yes - at being very annoying and upbeat about everything
and saying the word AWESOME