Author Topic: Old photos of and around Liverpool (Read 847984 times)

L12 · « **Reply #1960 on:** November 2, 2013, 08:36:04 pm »

Holy smokes very good,
Parliament Street & St James Place. Opened in 1874,closed it's doors to passengers around 1916. View is looking south under Ashwell Street bridge.
Do you know what side of the tunnel that pic is of ?,

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #1961 on:** November 3, 2013, 07:37:31 am »

Quote from: L12 on November 2, 2013, 08:36:04 pm

...Do you know what side of the tunnel that pic is of ?,

It's looking north from the Stanhope St bridge Streetview

..above is from here

Mel Wood · « **Reply #1962 on:** November 3, 2013, 06:12:53 pm »

Liverpool Echo Seller, Derby Square, 1909 in 2013 by Keithjones84, on Flickr

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #1963 on:** November 3, 2013, 07:47:51 pm »

Here's an easy one from the ever excellent Yo.

Very close to the site of a huge ammunition train explosion the night of 3/4 May 1941.

John C · « **Reply #1964 on:** November 3, 2013, 08:27:44 pm »

Shite gulley I can't think of the name of the rd, its on the way to the Dockers Club with its playing fields on the left after the bridge?

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #1965 on:** November 3, 2013, 08:30:05 pm »

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=townsend+lane+liverpool&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x487b21831537ca91:0x292b7dd44f1d0248,Townsend+Ln,+Liverpool&gl=uk&ei=k7F2UrOuBtSjhgfynYHIBA&ved=0CDAQ8gEwAA

John C · « **Reply #1966 on:** November 3, 2013, 08:30:59 pm »

Thats it mate

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #1967 on:** November 3, 2013, 08:47:18 pm »

I don't think I've posted this pic before - I know I've meant to a few times - but I've always decided it's a bit too vague/local. But sod it, you never know; I know I don't. All I have is the info in the title of the photo.

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #1968 on:** November 3, 2013, 10:06:48 pm »

I thought it might of been SFX at first, but realised it's not.

I can't quite place what looks like a church in the background, with what looks like a life sized white marble statue of the Virgiun Mary or something, over the doorway.

I'm presuming it's a building thats now no longer with us.

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #1969 on:** November 3, 2013, 11:03:58 pm »

Quote from: John C on November 3, 2013, 08:30:59 pm

Thats it mate

New bridge these days...

Flikr

Quote from: Big Red Richie on November 3, 2013, 10:06:48 pm

I'm presuming it's a building thats now no longer with us.

My thoughts too.

It looks like it must be RockCake by the statue of the Virgin Mary and the headscarves on the women.
At a wild guess, it could be Vauxhall or Scottie Rd way.
I've tried various search combinations Holy/Blessed Virgin/Mary and such but no joy.
Perhaps a search through Scottie press might reveal something.

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #1970 on:** November 4, 2013, 12:56:32 am »

Here's another past and present...

from Pizco

No wonder I get lost when I come back up and drive round town.
I came across this and thought yes, I recognise that from when I was a kid, but then I looked at Streetview and tried to locate it...
The only point of reference was the spire on St Oswalds.

Here it is now on Streetview

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #1971 on:** November 4, 2013, 06:04:02 am »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on November 3, 2013, 08:47:18 pm

I don't think I've posted this pic before - I know I've meant to a few times - but I've always decided it's a bit too vague/local. But sod it, you never know; I know I don't. All I have is the info in the title of the photo.

Found it in here

It's St Malachy's RC Church & school, Southwell Place, Toxteth, L8 5XW, only demolished back in 2010.

This is the site in streetview now

Looks like the statue might have gone sometime back.

According to Geo ... St Malachy's Toxteth and adjoining Beaufort Street School. The church is in Beaufort Street although the school was listed as Robertson St in the 1911 Directory. An infants building was added in 1971.

There's a flikr from a side angle ... here

The lads at 28dayslater had a poke around just the school part prior to demolition...here

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #1972 on:** November 4, 2013, 09:22:16 am »

What the...how the...I don't believe you GS. I mean... I don't believe you

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #1973 on:** November 4, 2013, 01:44:10 pm »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on November 4, 2013, 09:22:16 am

What the...how the...I don't believe you GS. I mean... I don't believe you

To be honest Tsar, I was somewhat surprised at finding it so quickly myself.

I'd done some quick googles the other night like I mentioned, blessed virgin mary combinations etc, but it was looking like a monumental and frankly impossible task.

One thing I did notice early on was the church in that photo did seem to have a pretty unique feature, those two shaped windows either side of the entrance, and obviously that big building attached to it too, while all the ones showing from the google didn't. It seemed to be a possibly telling visual clue.

Anyway, this morning, I woke up early and while having a cuppa, thought I'd have another go, not really expecting success.

I remember from the other year coming across some site that had photo's of now demolished churches around town so I did a google for demolished church liverpool and low and behold that flikr site that I linked to came up in the results. I drilled into it, really not expecting to find the church as many photo's on the web seem to be just interior shots, and low and behold, there it was, a church and attached building that looked like it could fit the bill and on which close examination revealed all those windows and features of the church and the attached building lined up perfectly. Once I had the name I googled it and further pics and details showed up to confirm it.

I'm not normally this lucky.

One thing I notice that's rather sad though, is looking at the scene these days on streetview, indeed with any of these old photo's compared to modern times, just how lifeless the area now is.

I know cities are constantly evolving for changed times, but it seems with each passing year, the Liverpool of my youth, once always seeming to be bustling and busy and with a real purpose, it all just seems to disappear and you start to doubt your own memories of the place. Perils of growing old I suppose.

I guess when you're living there you adapt to the changes as they are happening and accept them, but if you've been away for like in my instance, 33 years now except for the odd fleeting visit, the dissassociation with what you see of the current Liverpool against your memories of the place becomes stronger.

Anyway, some other sites I encountered....not sure if they've already been linked to but worth a gander...

A huge number of shots in here arranged by postcode that I don't recall seeing before...they also do some ebooks that may be of interest, see link to side.

http://www.liverpool-city-group.com/cgi-bin/liverpooldb.cgi?db=liverpool&uid=default&postcode=L.4&sb=17&so=descend&view_records=Go
(this link is set for L4, go to the bottom of page to select a different postcode)

Here are some of the old Territorial barracks dotted around... http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.com/

Here's some memories of the old and now gone Stadium ... http://www.catalystmedia.org.uk/issues/misc/articles/liverpool_stadium.php

And a repeat link to Scottie Press for those unaware of it, they're doing a great job keeping the history of Vauxhall documented and could do with some donations if anyone has got any spare spondooly... http://www.scottiepress.org/

L12 · « **Reply #1974 on:** November 4, 2013, 02:03:19 pm »

JohnnoWhite · « **Reply #1975 on:** November 4, 2013, 03:17:32 pm »

For Manchester too it's as GS says. All the changes in the intervening years make it alien and unrecognisable.I wouldn't be 100% able today to navigate through the district I grew up in 50 years back.

I once took my two eldest children Joanne and Anthony when they were about 10 and 8 (they are 47 and 45 respectively now!) ) to show them the 2 up -2 down terraced house in Ardwick where their gran and grandad lived and where me, their aunties Mary, Ann, Pat and Veronica and their uncle Mike grew up until 1959 - until we were slum-cleared to Wythenshawe, then the largest council estate in Europe at 100K plus people.

Pistolero · « **Reply #1976 on:** November 4, 2013, 09:01:59 pm »

crackin late 60's pic of Roe Street...Magic Clock boozer on the left...and the Royal Court just visible on the right

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #1977 on:** November 4, 2013, 09:06:43 pm »

And not a million miles away ( well. about 100 yards actually)

Williamson Square.

The cars in the foreground, now being where the fountain is.

alfonso · « **Reply #1978 on:** November 5, 2013, 03:42:52 am »

Check out these videos from 1980 for a German documentary - Netherley Flats:

http://youtu.be/3oteY03a1tY

and Tower Hill:

http://youtu.be/EJwVxAlh_ZQ

Pistolero · « **Reply #1979 on:** November 5, 2013, 05:25:51 pm »

still on the Williamson Square theme...some boss 1970's footage...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/u2zPq_8uymc&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/u2zPq_8uymc&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #1980 on:** November 5, 2013, 05:54:20 pm »

Quote from: Pistolero on November 5, 2013, 05:25:51 pm

That's a great little snippet.

The jumping bean man! I'd forgotten all about him.

CornerFlag · « **Reply #1981 on:** November 5, 2013, 09:28:15 pm »

https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=53.406006,-2.978773&spn=0.000974,0.002642&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.406079,-2.978835&panoid=C6OxOzo-FCVZvAw9FhMiwg&cbp=12,57.15,,0,-17.83

What a sorry state. A year ago this too. I know I've posted about it before but it's just a massive shame to see it like this, it's something that could have all the potential in the world.

WhoHe · « **Reply #1982 on:** November 5, 2013, 09:39:51 pm »

The whole of Lime street is a shithole, all the money went on L1.

Pistolero · « **Reply #1983 on:** November 5, 2013, 09:52:51 pm »

Quote from: CornerFlag on November 5, 2013, 09:28:15 pm

https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=53.406006,-2.978773&spn=0.000974,0.002642&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.406079,-2.978835&panoid=C6OxOzo-FCVZvAw9FhMiwg&cbp=12,57.15,,0,-17.83

What a sorry state. A year ago this too. I know I've posted about it before but it's just a massive shame to see it like this, it's something that could have all the potential in the world.

Its an absolute fuckin scandal that nothing has been done to that area - been left to rot and literally fall to pieces ...the council say there's nothing they can do because the property's are owned by private landlords but I cant believe there isnt some way to force the owners hands ...its been like that for decades now.....and considering its one of the first thoroughfares visitors encounter when they depart Lime Street Station (the almost as bad London Rd being another) im astounded they havent tried to resolve the issue.......

out of interest the dilapidated building next to the cinema was the original M&S Penny Bazaar...you can still see part of the old sign when you pass it today.....great shame to see this crumbling to bits also

JohnnoWhite · « **Reply #1984 on:** November 6, 2013, 06:46:54 am »

M&S started off in Leeds back end of the 19th century. Their first excursion into the North-West was when they opened two stalls on Birkenhead market.

See below - a real rags to riches story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks_&_Spencer#History

goalspaytherent · « **Reply #1985 on:** November 6, 2013, 01:31:19 pm »

What app are people using for these "old photos inside modern " images ? Have had a look around internet but can't seem to find which one is best for doing this .......help appreciated

WhoHe · « **Reply #1986 on:** November 6, 2013, 02:15:58 pm »

Quote from: goalspaytherent on November 6, 2013, 01:31:19 pm

What app are people using for these "old photos inside modern " images ? Have had a look around internet but can't seem to find which one is best for doing this .......help appreciated

Would of thought Photoshop, complex and expensive though.

goalspaytherent · « **Reply #1987 on:** November 6, 2013, 02:31:28 pm »

Quote from: WhoHe on November 6, 2013, 02:15:58 pm

Would of thought Photoshop, complex and expensive though.

Probably just effective to hold them myself and take the photo ! ( and a lot fucking cheaper )

the 92A · « **Reply #1988 on:** November 6, 2013, 03:12:03 pm »

Quote from: The Gulleysucker on November 4, 2013, 06:04:02 am

Found it in here

It's St Malachy's RC Church & school, Southwell Place, Toxteth, L8 5XW, only demolished back in 2010.

This is the site in streetview now

Looks like the statue might have gone sometime back.

According to Geo ... St Malachy's Toxteth and adjoining Beaufort Street School. The church is in Beaufort Street although the school was listed as Robertson St in the 1911 Directory. An infants building was added in 1971.

There's a flikr from a side angle ... here

The lads at 28dayslater had a poke around just the school part prior to demolition...here

I lived in the high rise flats over the road from St Malachy's they were called Leighton View. Dingle was like a wasteland then, I'd have mates from outside Liverpool staying and they couldn't believe how bad it was, worse than the Bronx. We campaigned to have our block knocked down it was so bad and I moved out early eighties about 84. Anyone any pictures of Leighton View, I'd love to see it again. Btw one of those caption wrongly says it's St Malchys with Beaufort Street School next to it., that's St Malachys School, Beaufort Street School is around the corner, now demolished, It's where my Dad went to school http://www.liverpool-schools.co.uk/html/beaufort_st.html

the 92A · « **Reply #1989 on:** November 6, 2013, 03:22:54 pm »

That last photo is taken from just infront of where our flats stood, haven't seen that view for twenty years.

JohnnoWhite · « **Reply #1990 on:** November 7, 2013, 10:56:22 am »

Was going to say something about the fact that a state school was attached to a Catholic church surely could not be correct. Our parish church St. Brigid's in Bradford Manchester 11 was built in the 1860's on Mill Street to accomodate overspill Irish families from the adjoining neighbourhoods of Beswick and Ancoats. Our school was like St Malachy's Liverpool attached to the church.

It was knocked down (in the late 1970's I think ) to make way for the redevelopment of East Manchester (where Bradford Pit and Bradford Gasworks used to be) and eventually the area became known as "Eastlands" (why they changed it's historical district name of Bradford I've no idea!) and it's where the Commonwealth Stadium / Eastlands / Etihad now stands.

I remember having the urge to take a nostalgic visit to see it one more time - only to find out that I missed it by one week. The previous week they brought the church to the ground.

Especially poignant for me since my parents went to school and were married there, I was an altar boy there as was my dad and grandad plus along the church wall were tiled panels carrying the names of all parishioners who had been killed in the Great War. My grandad Ted's brother also called John had his name on there and it would have been nice to have rescued that tile and taken it home with me.

the 92A · « **Reply #1991 on:** November 7, 2013, 11:39:28 pm »

Quote from: Johnnowhite on November 7, 2013, 10:56:22 am

Was going to say something

St Malachys school had a great boxing club in my Dad's time and the interior was used for the film The priest by Jimmy McGovern staring Ken Barlow's lad and Robert Carlile, watch the first bit as he walks out of St Malachys with the cross and you get a brief glimpse of the exterior before it moves away and at 4.38 you see where our flats stood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23dzSumIKTc

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #1992 on:** November 8, 2013, 09:12:30 am »

^^^

They also had a snooker table somewhere, at least they did in the 50s.

Another church that's no longer with us:

JohnnoWhite · « **Reply #1993 on:** November 8, 2013, 07:33:20 pm »

Quote from: The 92A on November 7, 2013, 11:39:28 pm

St Malachys school had a great boxing club in my Dad's time and the interior was used for the film The priest by Jimmy McGovern staring Ken Barlow's lad and Robert Carlile,

Beautiful old church that Albie. Very much like St Brigids inside in fact. We had 2 huge statues, each about 8 foot tall. One was of St Patrick and the other of St Brigid (the patron saints of Ireland) which stood on elevated supports either side of the high altar.
Where those two statues went after Biddies (local pet name for our church and school) was demolished I don't know.

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #1994 on:** November 14, 2013, 10:28:05 pm »

Looking out over the Mersey Forge yard at what seems to be the 'Great Eastern' out on the river. It would also have been photographed from not far away from where the 'Great Eastern' pub now stands (or did; haven't been down for a while).

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #1995 on:** November 14, 2013, 10:53:34 pm »

Sadly, The Great Eastern pub (Mill St. L8 ) has been down a few years now.

Nice photo though.

rob1966 · « **Reply #1996 on:** November 18, 2013, 10:23:20 pm »

Quote from: alfonso on November 5, 2013, 03:42:52 am

Check out these videos from 1980 for a German documentary - Netherley Flats:

http://youtu.be/3oteY03a1tY

and Tower Hill:

http://youtu.be/EJwVxAlh_ZQ

Showed the Tower Hill one to the missus, as thats where I grew up. We used to play in the flats before they got demolished and the bit with the Rick Tomlinson lookalike was filmed just around the corner from where we lived. My missus grew up in a really nice middle class area, she couldn't believe how big a shithole I grew up in.

Licky · « **Reply #1997 on:** November 22, 2013, 09:07:17 am »

Some great aerial shots of Liverpool from the 20's, 30's and 40's on britainfromabove.org.uk, I've just spent a few hours mooching around on there, it's worth registering as you can zoom in on the pics once registered.

Lenin. · « **Reply #1998 on:** November 22, 2013, 11:02:40 am »

Quote from: alfonso on November 5, 2013, 03:42:52 am

Check out these videos from 1980 for a German documentary - Netherley Flats:

http://youtu.be/3oteY03a1tY

and Tower Hill:

http://youtu.be/EJwVxAlh_ZQ

Here is the full German 1980 documentary about Liverpool.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q7ljHh9NX5Y" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Q7ljHh9NX5Y</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/B217kpH2smU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/B217kpH2smU</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/eJgm3NwxKto" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/eJgm3NwxKto</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/olZZJ7813Ys" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/olZZJ7813Ys</a>

back aftie · « **Reply #1999 on:** November 25, 2013, 04:12:49 pm »

Quote from: The Gulleysucker on January 11, 2012, 03:21:56 pm

Yes, but both the Ark and Hermes had angle decks by the late 60's which is why I was plumping for the old Bulwark or Albion, which although soldiering on till the early 80's would fit the timeframe of the photo, neither ever had that upgrade and that carrier in the picture doesn't have an angle deck. Ark and Hermes also had the huge searchlight type radar on top of the tower around that probable time.
Just noticed, if you look closely you can just make out the circles for the helicopter landing zones along the deck so I think it's highly likely one of those two commando carriers.

Edit. Just noticed Albion was struck off in 72 so I'm guessing it's likely Bulwark.

And a further edit, visits of aircraft carriers to the Mersey .. http://derbosoft.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=history&action=print&thread=1790

After H.M.S. ALBION, LIVERPOOL PIER HEAD, May 1967

I'm guessing from the landmarks that the possible time frame of the picture makes it one of these...

H.M.S. EAGLE, PIER HEAD, February/March 1970
H.M.S. ALBION, PIER HEAD, May 1970
H.M.S. ARK ROYAL, LANDING STAGE, June 1970
H.M.S. BULWARK, LIVERPOOL PIER HEAD, 30th June - 6th July 1971

My favourite is probably that last one.