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It's time they set up home together
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Alan Nixon   31/03/2008

It's an old cliche about how families are split down the middle on Merseyside and this is the 'friendly' derby...now it's about time somebody acted on that truth.

While Liverpool and Everton battled for fourth place - the new first in these parts - the thought dawned that really they should be sharing a stadium.

on Being relative also-rans is bad enough in the new elite of the Premier League but the fact is the financial cost of building two new grounds could yet finish these two off from even that 'glory'.

Look at the strife caused by Liverpool looking for foreign money to shift the Kop a mile down the road.


In the wrong hands maybe, but how else are they going to get the size of ground they want?

The price of flitting from Anfield to Stanley Park is going to put the Reds further into the red and open to any property speculator around the globe.

And the word is that Everton's planned and unpopular move to Kirkby is heading for major problems and a huge bill that will bite into David Moyes's spending for years.

Goodison needs a facelift but that will not happen.

The future has to be a bigger stadium, but surely the solution is for them both to live together at the same king-sized venue.

It is a sore point for both.

'The City's all ours, f*** off to Kirkby' and 'You're not Scousers any more' were the hard-butfair cries from Liverpool yesterday.

Blues chairman Bill Kenwright must have cringed.

The only answer from the away end was a banner that wittily proclaimed: 'Everton fans welcome all Liverpool fans to Merseyside'.

Only the numbskulls and extremists will argue the best way of housing two major clubs is by halving the costs and giving them each a better chance to compete - maybe even survive.

Everton have got used to living on crumbs and being the poor relations.

Only pride stops them from starting a conversation that has not dared speak its name.

Liverpool would actually suffer more, with the need to be in the Champions League every season part of their financial planning.

Imagine trying to finish in the top four for the next few years when so much of the money will be needed for a new super ground.

Moving in together does not mean they have to get married, but co-habiting has always been a good way of cutting costs.

If it can work in Milan and Rome, why should Liverpool be any different?

The rivalry can remain just as intense and the stick dished out just the same.


Can't we get a decent post-match piece/report/opinion objective enough? 

[TheRedBull]

Everton will never have fucking money to make the share stadium happen in million yrs... Why journalist always ignore this?

[Camina Camina]

If it can work in Milan and Rome, why should Liverpool be any different?

What a halfwit Alan Nixon is, the reason it 'works' in Milan and Rome is because the clubs do not own the stadiums, the city councils do and the clubs rent them.

I also doubt that if you asked Inter, Milan, Lazio and Roma fans if their situation 'worked' I doubt you would get a resounded yes.

The only other ground share involving a big club that I know of is Bayern and 1860 in Munich and that only happened because 1860 were in very serious financial distress

Can't we get a decent post-match piece/report/opinion objective enough? 

It would seem not.

[Johnny Foreigner]

I also doubt that if you asked Inter, Milan, Lazio and Roma fans if their situation 'worked' I doubt you would get a resounded yes.

My mate is a roma fan (from the city) and as far as i have gathered they're happy with it; the differnce is that they are brought up with it and doesn't know anything else. Curva nord and curva sud are their holy land.

yes, it would work in liverpool as well - in about 120 years everything would have been ok

[Camina Camina]

Didn't know that johnny thanks for the update.

Of course, as you point out, the fact that they have been ground sharing for decades makes any meaningful comparison with our situation a bit difficult.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

My mate is a roma fan (from the city) and as far as i have gathered they're happy with it; the differnce is that they are brought up with it and doesn't know anything else. Curva nord and curva sud are their holy land.

yes, it would work in liverpool as well - in about 120 years everything would have been ok

We play more games than they do in Italy.  That coupled with our climate means that, even with modern pitch technology, no pitch could cope with two teams home fixtures. Especially if a big lummox like the Yak is allowed to graze on it twice a week.

Just look at the state of the pitches in current multi-use stadia like the JJB.  It'd suit Everton's style to a  T but I don't think Xabi Alonso will be too impressed.

[coffeehead]

Will never happen. No one wants it to anyway

[LFC Lad]

No fan would want to have a groundshare.  That idea was rightfully thrown in the bin a few years ago.

[Camina Camina]

We play more games than they do in Italy.  That coupled with our climate means that, even with modern pitch technology, no pitch could cope with two teams home fixtures. Especially if a big lummox like the Yak is allowed to graze on it twice a week.

Just look at the state of the pitches in current multi-use stadia like the JJB.  It'd suit Everton's style to a  T but I don't think Xabi Alonso will be too impressed.

Isn't the pitch in Milan often critiscised for being of poor quality, due to being overplayed, seem to recall that it has to be regulalry relaid?

You don't see these London based Journo's calling for a Spurs/arsenal or Fulham/Chelsea ground share, because they know it would never work, never quite understood why they still think it is a good idea for us.

Lummox - Ha, that is a word I need to use more often

[lamonti]

Its shocking that someone got paid to write that tripe.

[doghouse]

In sport and in business I thought the idea is to eliminate your rivals, not help them along the way. Everton would have more chance of catching us if they got the peg up of a shared stadium. If our ownership soon changes to DIC, affording our own larger stadium should not be a problem.

[Grobbelrevell]

We play more games than they do in Italy.  That coupled with our climate means that, even with modern pitch technology, no pitch could cope with two teams home fixtures. Especially if a big lummox like the Yak is allowed to graze on it twice a week.

Just look at the state of the pitches in current multi-use stadia like the JJB.  It'd suit Everton's style to a  T but I don't think Xabi Alonso will be too impressed.

Exactly, and thats the very point that Rafa made not so long ago i believe.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I would never ever ever ever go again if we groundshared with anyone

What SHOULD happen if we do move into this disgusting new fucking shithole of a ground is Everton should buy Anfield

It's a disgrace that such a modern ground will get knocked down and they end up in Kirkby

[HarryLabrador]

Its shocking that someone got paid to write that tripe.

Alan Nixon, whoever he is, needs to go and boil his head.

[jimmy d]

yawn

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

I would never ever ever ever go again if we groundshared with anyone

I'm coming round to the idea all of a sudden...  

[Meako1977]

It makes perfect financial sense if you can halve the costs for both clubs. Biggest concern I have for LFC is the debt we are going to be saddled with after building the new stadium. I am not arsed one bit about sharing a stadium with the bluenoses. As long as they can cough up the money then I would be happy. In the end we only ever inhabit the same stadium space on two games a season so its not like you would sit next to them each week.

The concern for the pitch is easily resolved as you can use roll on/off technology to have two pitches so not getting the wear and tear that the san siro suffers.

[Commie Bobbie]

Just no, just fucking no.  Not sharing our ground, with a bunch of bitter c*nts.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

It makes perfect financial sense if you can halve the costs for both clubs. Biggest concern I have for LFC is the debt we are going to be saddled with after building the new stadium. I am not arsed one bit about sharing a stadium with the bluenoses. As long as they can cough up the money then I would be happy. In the end we only ever inhabit the same stadium space on two games a season so its not like you would sit next to them each week.

The concern for the pitch is easily resolved as you can use roll on/off technology to have two pitches so not getting the wear and tear that the san siro suffers.

The pitch would be a fucking disgrace and we'd be (Quite rightly) a total laughing stock

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

The concern for the pitch is easily resolved as you can use roll on/off technology to have two pitches so not getting the wear and tear that the san siro suffers.

Easily?  Rather glib that methinks. In the proposed footprint for the new ground, sandwiched between a listed Victorian park and a residential area as it is, just where do you propose rolling the spare fucking pitch off to?

[HarryLabrador]

It makes perfect financial sense if you can halve the costs for both clubs. Biggest concern I have for LFC is the debt we are going to be saddled with after building the new stadium. I am not arsed one bit about sharing a stadium with the bluenoses. As long as they can cough up the money then I would be happy. In the end we only ever inhabit the same stadium space on two games a season so its not like you would sit next to them each week.

The concern for the pitch is easily resolved as you can use roll on/off technology to have two pitches so not getting the wear and tear that the san siro suffers.

We will have no financial dilemma when we change ownership to DIC. Simple.

[blert596]

Especially if a big lummox like the Yak is allowed to graze on it twice a week.

Well thats an excellent start to Mondays piss taking

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

There are of course loads of other issues.  I presume, for instance, that Evertonians wouldn't be too happy about a ground design that has The Kop as it's focal point. The Kop is world famous and is a huge marketing baby for Liverpool FC. Any plan that does not incorporate a replacement would be ridiculous.

[Meako1977]

The pitch would be a fucking disgrace and we'd be (Quite rightly) a total laughing stock

Why would the pitch be a disgrace? If you had two pitches then it would suffer the same wear & tear that it gets every fortnight.

Why would we be a laughing stock? Whats more comical. The idea that we would share a world-class ground with our city rivals or the fact that we would be nearly £600 million in debt if we built our own ground?

[NatD]

Errr... No!

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Why would the pitch be a disgrace? If you had two pitches then it would suffer the same wear & tear that it gets every fortnight.

Why would we be a laughing stock? Whats more comical. The idea that we would share a world-class ground with our city rivals or the fact that we would be nearly £600 million in debt if we built our own ground?

Both ideas are comical.

We shouldn't piss all that history and time up the wall.

[Meako1977]

Well thats an excellent start to Mondays piss taking

Leave Purple Acky out of this serious discussion!!!

[HarryLabrador]

Why would the pitch be a disgrace? If you had two pitches then it would suffer the same wear & tear that it gets every fortnight.

Why would we be a laughing stock? Whats more comical. The idea that we would share a world-class ground with our city rivals or the fact that we would be nearly £600 million in debt if we built our own ground?

The only way we are going to build a stadium, joint venture or not, is not until the Americans are gone as they do not have the financial clout, which only logically means DIC have taken us over. Can you seriously imagine that such an organisation would entertain a shared stadium? Even if they agree to it,  Everton will never be able to afford their share of the kitty for the design DIC would want. Why bother?

Please, this is seriously a non-starter in every shape or form.

[Meako1977]

Both ideas are comical.

We shouldn't piss all that history and time up the wall.

I agree that the best idea would be to stay at Anfield and redevelop but the costs to do that are riduculous so that is a no-go. We cannot afford to have Man Utd generating an extra 30,000 seats worth of income each game if we ever plan to catch up with them.

A new ground is going to happen whether we like it or not. The only question is whether you consider more financially viable options or put the club in a debt that is near biblical proportions!

[Meako1977]

The only way we are going to build a stadium, joint venture or not, is not until the Americans are gone as they do not have the financial clout, which only logically means DIC have taken us over. Can you seriously imagine that such an organisation would entertain a shared stadium? Even if they agree to it,  Everton will never be able to afford their share of the kitty for the design DIC would want. Why bother?

Please, this is seriously a non-starter in every shape or form.

You dont seriously think the Americans or DIC are going to use their own money to build the stadium?

[Waterloo Phil]

In the proposed footprint for the new ground, sandwiched between a listed Victorian park and a residential area as it is, just where do you propose rolling the spare fucking pitch off to?

Surely we could incorporate the new train line into this and move it to say Nice or Dubai once a week ?

[TheRedBull]

Why would the pitch be a disgrace? If you had two pitches then it would suffer the same wear & tear that it gets every fortnight.

Why would we be a laughing stock? Whats more comical. The idea that we would share a world-class ground with our city rivals or the fact that we would be nearly £600 million in debt if we built our own ground?

Everton will never have 300M to share the stadium with us anyway so why bother?

[Byrnee]

Without a shadow of a doubt, one of the worst journalists around. Read through some of his old articles, tha man is a completely and utterly clueless buffoon.

[Onward Liverpudlian]

It's a non-issue (groundshare) now.

We'll hopefully soon be taken over by DIC so money should be no problem for us and Everton are getting major help for their new ground - despite what the ill-informed Alan Nixon says their stadium move is going as smoothly as can be.

[JackBauer]

The only other ground share involving a big club that I know of is Bayern and 1860 in Munich and that only happened because 1860 were in very serious financial distress

It was actually the only way the city council would agree to a new stadium being built. It now belongs to Bayern as 1860 had to sell their share in it to avoid insolvency.

I agree with your general point though.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Surely we could incorporate the new train line into this and move it to say Nice or Dubai once a week ?

 

we could shunt it out to Kirkby so the Blues feel at home.

[Camina Camina]

It was actually the only way the city council would agree to a new stadium being built. It now belongs to Bayern as 1860 had to sell their share in it to avoid insolvency.

I agree with your general point though.

So 1860 are Bayern's tenants?  Thats got to have pissed on their chips.

Brilliant looking stadium by the way, I was in Munich last year for work and we went past it on the Autobahn, looks like a spaceship has landed on the outskirts of the city

[JackBauer]

So 1860 are Bayern's tenants?  Thats got to have pissed on their chips.

Brilliant looking stadium by the way, I was in Munich last year for work and we went past it on the Autobahn, looks like a spaceship has landed on the outskirts of the city

Yep, that's right. It was humiliating for them because it was the only way for them to survive.

It is a great stadium I think, really impressive from the outside and inside too. Only problem is that the atmosphere is sometimes a bit flat but that's probably more to do with Bayern's fanbase than the ground itself. I'm certainly not complaining when my season ticket cost me EUR 120 and I can drink ale on the terraces...

[Camina Camina]

I'm certainly not complaining when my season ticket cost me EUR 120 and I can drink ale on the terraces...

And that is why Scudamore and co needs a good sound slapping

[Alan_X]

It's time they set up home together
Look at the strife caused by Liverpool looking for foreign money to shift the Kop a mile down the road.

The price of flitting from Anfield to Stanley Park is going to put the Reds further into the red and open to any property speculator around the globe.

I read that this morning and thought... "this man has no fucking clue what he's talking about..." A mile down the road from Anfield to Stanley park?

If he doesn't even understand the basic geography of the city how can he have a clue about the local culture and passions.

I'd love to see him suggest the same for man United and City, or Arsenal and Spurs... maybe even Fulham and Chelsea... Birmingham and Villa?... or best of all Celtic & Rangers...

It's lazy journalism.