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Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« on: October 31, 2007, 07:46:27 am »
olice fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target

Oct 31 2007 EXCLUSIVE by Larry Neild, Liverpool Daily Post



LIVERPOOL FC’s proposed iconic stadium at Stanley Park could be a significant target for a terrorist attack, a report to councillors has revealed.

A senior Merseyside police officer has called for special counter terrorism measures to be introduced to protect the new stadium being a target for suicide bombers.

Assistant Chief Constable Simon Byrne has told city planners that in the context of the current heightened terrorist threat within the UK, the stadium should have special conditions to ensure special anti-terrorism measures are incorporated into design standards for the new 60,000-seater venue.

Leading Town Hall planners have already insisted that the stadium should be designed to minimise its openness to attack. ensure the opportunity to attack the venue is “prevented, frustrated and deterred”.

ACC Byrne is calling on the planning committee to impose strict conditions on planning consent to ensure counter measures devised by the Association of Chief Police Officers are introduced at the new Anfield.

The design standards set by ACPO are intended to set parameters for construction and design of the ground to reduce the likelihood and impact of a terrorist attack.

Details of the  measures have already been discussed with the club and its advisors.

The terrorism dimension is one of a number of security and safety issues raised by Mr  Byrne in the official response of Merseyside Police to Liverpool FC’s revised stadium plans.

He wants high level CCTV systems and a fully equipped control room. The scheme already includes its own Home Office- standard on-site mini prison - or custody suite.

Liverpool want to build a 60,000-seater stadium with a pitch sunk 26ft into the ground.

This is to accommodate the slope of a new Kop. The new stadium will incorporate a club museum and shop, community partnership centre, club offices, conference and banqueting facilities and a 970-space car park. The new ground will have 114 executive boxes, 54 more than the number included in the original design specifications.

The development of Anfield Plaza on the site of the present ground will see properties demolished along Anfield Road. There will also be tennis courts, a multi-use games area, a hotel, commercial office space, shops, bars and restaurants as well as a large open space based on the existing playing area.

The new stadium will be designed to be expanded to 76,000 seats, though the capacity would require a separate planning application in the future to increase to this expanded capacity.

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2007, 08:00:07 am »
Surely every stadium is equally susceptable. Or have I missed something here.
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2007, 09:00:25 am »
Surely every stadium is equally susceptable. Or have I missed something here.

No mate.

It's just this city, once again, doing it's best to delay and add costs to Liverpool's new stadium.

Why a "new" Anfield would be a greater target than the already world famous one is questionable, I just refer back to my last point.

Why is there no mention of this being an issue with the proposed Kirby Tesco-Dome?

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2007, 09:15:12 am »
I guess it must be something to do with all the glass.
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2007, 09:35:07 am »
Surely every stadium is equally susceptable. Or have I missed something here.

I agree.

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2007, 10:39:55 am »
Surely every stadium is equally susceptable. Or have I missed something here.

Yeah and surely its down to the Police to have the right intelligence and to Police these events properly.

Its got nothing to do with LFC, typical Police chiefs trying to make a name for themselves in the local media, and delaying the process of the build.  Think they should try and concentrate on cutting crime in this city and finding the killers of Rhys Jones instead of acting as politicians.

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2007, 10:49:01 am »
Yeah and surely its down to the Police to have the right intelligence and to Police these events properly.

Its got nothing to do with LFC, typical Police chiefs trying to make a name for themselves in the local media, and delaying the process of the build.  Think they should try and concentrate on cutting crime in this city and finding the killers of Rhys Jones instead of acting as politicians.



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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2007, 11:04:05 am »
Why is there no mention of this being an issue with the proposed Kirby Tesco-Dome?

They are only worried about city based stadia.
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2007, 11:24:59 am »
Why is there no mention of this being an issue with the proposed Kirby Tesco-Dome?

The Kirby stadium has utilised an advanced anti terrorism strategy whereby any bomb would actually improve the aesthetics of the building and end the suffering of those within, thus rendering any attack futile.
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2007, 12:38:54 pm »
The Kirby stadium has utilised an advanced anti terrorism strategy whereby any bomb would actually improve the aesthetics of the building and end the suffering of those within, thus rendering any attack futile.

That's harsh... :shocked
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2007, 04:26:22 pm »
Build a big bubble around the ground,

Oh no that would involve another planning application
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2007, 04:31:30 pm »
No, it'd be better for the stadium to have expandable legs so that it can pick itself up and run away from any possible threat and place itself in a safe area.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2007, 04:47:48 pm »
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 04:59:07 pm »
Wembley on a England game would be a higher risk i would of thought. Its the country they hate not a city in the North west of the country. Load of bollox.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2007, 04:59:22 pm »
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 05:01:36 pm »
The Kirby stadium has utilised an advanced anti terrorism strategy whereby any bomb would actually improve the aesthetics of the building and end the suffering of those within, thus rendering any attack futile.

Well. there you are.  A prefect demonstration that every cloud has a silver lining.
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #16 on: November 1, 2007, 04:52:06 am »
I guess it must be something to do with all the glass.

I was thinking the same thing? But surely there are other grounds with 'open' corners between the stands??
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #18 on: November 1, 2007, 10:07:28 am »
New Liverpool FC stadium: Police demand right to tow cars

Nov 1 2007 by Larry Neild, Liverpool Daily Post

LLEGALLY parked cars should be towed away from streets around Liverpool FC’s new £400m stadium to prevent the Anfield area being gridlocked on match days.

That is the new demand from Merseyside Police in response to the club’s revised plans for a new ground that could eventually hold 76,000 fans.

Liverpool City Council is currently expanding parking control zones around both Liverpool and Everton football grounds.

But Merseyside Police want a stringent enforcement policy to deter fans from leaving their vehicles close to the ground.

A number of fans currently take the risk of abandoning their vehicles, sharing the £30 penalty if they are given a ticket.

Towing cars away to a special compound, with much higher retrieval costs, would act as a strong deterrent.

Although the police support an expanded park and ride scheme for supporters heading to Stanley Park, senior officers have expressed scepticism about the ability of Liverpool FC or the council to change the culture of fans accustomed to travelling to the stadium by car.

The views of the police will be expressed at a special meeting of the city council’s planning committee next Tuesday, when councillors will decide whether the amended plans for a new stadium should be approved.

Council planning managers are recommending the go-ahead for the iconic stadium, completely re-designed following the takeover of Liverpool FC this year by US businessmen George Gillette and Tom Hicks.

In a response to the planning application Merseyside Police says the council has not yet invoked additional powers for vehicle removal.

When the council took over parking enforcement several years ago from police traffic wardens, politicians decided against introducing a clamping or tow-away policy.

In its response, Merseyside Police says that to encourage more fans to use park-and-ride facilities, vigorous enforcement is essential.

Police say the Anfield area suffers from significant problems of car theft and thefts from vehicles on match days.

The problem is so serious that on match days police have to implement a major auto-crime operation – Operation Indigo – to try to manage the theft problem.

The fear among senior officers is that the doubling of the parking control zone will displace the crime problems further away from the ground into neighbourhoods currently unaffected.

“An opportunity exists with the development to ensure there is sufficient and secure car parking for all attending the new stadium,” says Merseyside Police.

Another issue raised by the police is that the current ground has 1,000 car parking places, but even though the capacity will rise to 60,000 the number of spaces provided will fall to 970.

“Merseyside Police is sceptical about the ability of the Park and Ride system to cope adequately on busy match days and also its appeal to fans that have traditionally travelled to matches by car.”

The concern about a park and ride scheme is that if 30,000 fans decided to park at one of three dedicated zones, it would require 600 bus journeys to transport them to and from the ground.

There are worries that large numbers of fans waiting for the buses could pose a public order risk on the highway.

Three large park and ride areas are earmarked for Aintree Station, Sandhills and Pall Mall.

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New ground expected to strengthen LFC’s hold on top of Anfield jobs league

LIVERPOOL FC is the largest employer in the Anfield area, with 256 staff on its payroll. They work in the offices, ticket offices, club shop, museum as well as in the grounds maintenance section. The number also includes playing and coaching staff. On match days, a further 1,400 part-time workers are employed as stewards, ground marshals and catering staff.

It was in 1892 that Liverpool FC was founded at the Anfield Road ground. Before that the site had been homes to Everton FC who started life on a pitch in Stanley Park in the 1880s before moving to Goodison Park.

Anfield’s current capacity of 45,000 is exceeded in England by just five stadia: Old Trafford (76,000), Emirates (60,000), St James’ Park (51,000), Stadium of Light (49,000) and City of Manchester (48,000).

With the enlarged ground of 60,000 and Anfield Plaza the number of jobs could reach 800.

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #19 on: November 1, 2007, 10:20:58 am »
This is making my brain hurt.  Let me see if I've got it right.  The bizzies don't want anyone parking near Anfield.  They also don't want anyone parking away from Anfield and walking to Anfield.  They support the park and ride but at the same time say park and ride can't cope with the demand and fans will cause a public order problem waiting for the buses.  They want the club to provide secure parking for everyone - so presumably they'll want a massive multi-storey car park or car parks built, but don't say where they are to be built.

Wouldn't it be simpler if they just asked everyone not to turn up for matches?
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« Reply #20 on: November 1, 2007, 11:12:37 am »
We could just turn Goodison in to a carpark. That would get rid of some of the parking problems. ;)
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #21 on: November 1, 2007, 11:59:54 am »
Towing cars away to a special compound, with much higher retrieval costs, would act as a massive revenue generator.

The police seem to be looking for ways to boost their income from matches. I'd resist giving them sweeping new powers unless they could be properly justified. I'll bet them having their own cells in the new stadium will encourage more arrests as well.
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #22 on: November 1, 2007, 05:44:20 pm »
The stupid thing about all this is that the parking zone issue is mainly a LCC issue, it's not something the LFC can do other than to ask for it to be implemented.

Assuming that the new stations on the bootle line are to be built that will help in reducing the need for buses.  Also the police are appearing to assume everyone turns up at the same time.

Anyone know if those scientific guys have got any further with that transportation stuff that's in star trek?  That could come in well handy at the moment.

Also why weren't these concerns raised like this at the last application?  If it's to do with the possibility to increase to 76,000 then they are getting ahead of themselves a tad.
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« Reply #23 on: November 1, 2007, 06:06:24 pm »
This is bizarre. It seems like whenever we get close to finally getting started, something else always comes up. I fear it's destined never to happen.

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #24 on: November 1, 2007, 06:18:54 pm »
This is probably a standard police security report on a new development being blown up into a "story" by the press.

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« Reply #25 on: November 1, 2007, 06:22:43 pm »
Anyway... security's easy. Just pay the kids...


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« Reply #26 on: November 1, 2007, 07:16:08 pm »
Anyway... security's easy. Just pay the kids...


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« Reply #27 on: November 1, 2007, 09:14:36 pm »
We should build the stadium so it's invisible.
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« Reply #29 on: November 2, 2007, 07:30:46 am »
The Echo Arena would probably be more 'at risk ' than our new stadium, 10,000 people packed in, with little or no police presence, didn't se any concerns raised over that.
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« Reply #30 on: November 5, 2007, 05:01:27 am »
Why would they want to bomb our new stadium anyways? We've always supported a 'Don't bomb Iraq, Nuke Manchester' policy.
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #31 on: November 5, 2007, 12:40:20 pm »
Rocket launchers on each corner of the Stadium, surfice to air missiles , now I know why they keep going on about these 'bunkers'.

Ridiculous thing to come up with surely Wembley or even the Emirates is more of a Terrorist target than our new stadium as they're in the Capital.  They don't mention Anfield as being at threat so why would a stadium a stones throw away be any different?
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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2007, 03:13:34 pm »
Wembley on a England game would be a higher risk i would've thought. Its the country they hate not a city in the North west of the country. Load of bollox.

i'd have thought wembley was equally vulnerable at any sporting event or concert!
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2007, 04:53:25 pm »
I'm racking my brains to remember which three London venues are on flight paths ?

Oh yes, thats right, the three largest stadiums in the south (inc.Twickenham).

Three which sit very short bus rides from huge concentrations of devout/fanatical Muslims ? Same three.

Well don't forget you can cross Effeminates/Dubaibury off the list because bin Ladens a gooner !

I think ours would be well down the list of possible targets. If they left a car-bomb outside and didn't pay the kids they'd run the risk of coming back and finding a window broken and the timer nicked  ;D

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2007, 08:54:20 pm »
No wonder the police are concerned. Doesn't take a lot of imagination down at MI5 to foresee the following scenario.
A world famous football ground owned by a best mate of G W Bush where anyone can walk in unsearched. The game is being televised live around the World to millions as multiple suicide bombers kill thousands.  It would be gross negligence not to take whatever measures possible to avoid such an outrage.

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2007, 12:45:22 am »
No wonder the police are concerned. Doesn't take a lot of imagination down at MI5 to foresee the following scenario.
A world famous football ground owned by a best mate of G W Bush where anyone can walk in unsearched. The game is being televised live around the World to millions as multiple suicide bombers kill thousands.  It would be gross negligence not to take whatever measures possible to avoid such an outrage.

I'd rather jib all that and run the risk if i'm honest. Being searched 30 times a season would be a nightmare, especially considering the queues to get into the stadium as they are at the moment just before kick off
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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2007, 08:13:38 am »
Special grass won't grow horror ! LFC announce that the genetically modified grass needed to grow 26 feet below ground level has failed its trials and that there will be no grass at the new stadium.

Our dumper truck won't work horror ! Contractors announced today that specially designed dumper trucks for excavating 26 feet below ground level cannot cope with these conditions.

Car parking trauma ! The nearest car park to the proposed new stadium, at the old Leyland factory site in Speke, is being changed to an extended runway for the Airport. Because the supporters are 26 feet below ground level and catering facilities in the upper tiers, the Airports new motto is " Above us only pies ".

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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2007, 12:17:53 am »
Special grass won't grow horror ! LFC announce that the genetically modified grass needed to grow 26 feet below ground level has failed its trials and that there will be no grass at the new stadium.

Our dumper truck won't work horror ! Contractors announced today that specially designed dumper trucks for excavating 26 feet below ground level cannot cope with these conditions.

Car parking trauma ! The nearest car park to the proposed new stadium, at the old Leyland factory site in Speke, is being changed to an extended runway for the Airport. Because the supporters are 26 feet below ground level and catering facilities in the upper tiers, the Airports new motto is " Above us only pies ".


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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2007, 02:40:50 am »
Anyway... security's easy. Just pay the kids...


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Re: Police fear new Liverpool stadium could be terrorist target.
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2007, 03:42:27 pm »
Why would they want to bomb our new stadium anyways? We've always supported a 'Don't bomb Iraq, Nuke Manchester' policy.
Indeed.

Truth is, they just want to get their piece of the pie that is on offer, revenue generating schemes such as the tow-away thing.

Coppers are like kids, they think the are the most important things in the world, and want the latest toys to play with.

Fucking ignore them, if they were real concerns they would have objected during the planning application, as it is now, they are just after a few extra toys they can show off to the neighbouring police forces when they come round to visit. I'm serious too.
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