Topic: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *

[aoaaron]

Happened with Ronaldo and Ferguson.

Nothing to see. Its just an elite talent who is one of the best players in the world being angry because he isn't started during a title run-in but then being asked to come on and make a difference with <15 minutes to go.

Messi, Ronaldo, Salah - players of this ilk,  especially in their senior years, are always going to react poorly and aggressively when they aren't given the best opportunity to put the club (and their) success in their own hands. In Salah's mind, there is no one better in the squad during a title run-in to have on the pitch than him. Its that belief which makes him stand out.

Of course we want him to be Mr. Professional and say nothing wrong or do anything disrespectful to the manager - but its human nature and part of the DNA of every single world class player.

I heard a quote from Roy Keane a few years ago 'squad rotation is key and vital to the squad but don't rotate me' - or something to that effect.

He's a phenomenal player and a legend of the club. He has had a few poor weeks of form but we're not in the situation we are due to him. The goal scoring chart doesn't lie and he's dragged us during parts of this season. Lets not drag his name or Klopp's through the mud. There is a chance they're both leaving and both deserve to leave with their heads held high.  Absolute legends for the club.

[rscanderlech]

He will probably leave in the summer anyway.

Been a brilliant servant.

Why are people so sure of this? I know it's all doom and gloom right now, but Liverpool are still one of the best teams in Europe, and really just need a high class DM and one more good finisher. The new coach and reintroduction of Edwards et. al. could lead to lots of success. He is settled here, and so is his family.

There are only a couple of alternative clubs he could go to that are superior options and would take him.

Personally, I would not sell him, and would even wait till his contract runs out. I would use him closer to goal. That is, unless someone offers silly money for a 32-year-old, AND we get not one but two genuine finishers in as replacements.

[aoaaron]

Why are people so sure of this? I know it's all doom and gloom right now, but Liverpool are still one of the best teams in Europe, and really just need a high class DM and one more good finisher. The new coach and reintroduction of Edwards et. al. could lead to lots of success. He is settled here, and so is his family.

There are only a couple of alternative clubs he could go to that are superior options and would take him.

Personally, I would not sell him, and would even wait till his contract runs out. I would use him closer to goal. That is, unless someone offers silly money for a 32-year-old, AND we get not one but two genuine finishers in as replacements.

Agreed. It'd need to be 100 million plus for him. Otherwise the transition period in finding his replacement will be painful to say the least.

Nunez, Diaz and Gakpo aren't reliable prolific goal-scorers and finding a replacement is going to be hard. Jota is clinical but he isn't magical.

Salah staying in my opinion guarantees a top 4 finish. That's worth more than 40-50 million and for a new manager to have his best attacker stripped of him but expected to better or emulate Klopp is just near impossible.

[Kalito]

Seemed to me a bit like Mo was intimating that the media would build it up into something more than it was if he spoke about it.

That's what it appeared to me like. A bit of a dig at the media.

[God's Left Peg]

There's not a single manager of this club, particularly the ones who built it, like Shanks, that would agree with what just happened in public during a game.  It was shit and disrespecful.  If you can't see that you're fucking deluded or you value players above the club.

This.

[Kalito]

Happened with Ronaldo and Ferguson.

Nothing to see. Its just an elite talent who is one of the best players in the world being angry because he isn't started during a title run-in but then being asked to come on and make a difference with <15 minutes to go.

Messi, Ronaldo, Salah - players of this ilk,  especially in their senior years, are always going to react poorly and aggressively when they aren't given the best opportunity to put the club (and their) success in their own hands. In Salah's mind, there is no one better in the squad during a title run-in to have on the pitch than him. Its that belief which makes him stand out.

Of course we want him to be Mr. Professional and say nothing wrong or do anything disrespectful to the manager - but its human nature and part of the DNA of every single world class player.

I heard a quote from Roy Keane a few years ago 'squad rotation is key and vital to the squad but don't rotate me' - or something to that effect.

He's a phenomenal player and a legend of the club. He has had a few poor weeks of form but we're not in the situation we are due to him. The goal scoring chart doesn't lie and he's dragged us during parts of this season. Lets not drag his name or Klopp's through the mud. There is a chance they're both leaving and both deserve to leave with their heads held high.  Absolute legends for the club.

Nicely put.

[decosabute]

Happened with Ronaldo and Ferguson.

Nothing to see. Its just an elite talent who is one of the best players in the world being angry because he isn't started during a title run-in but then being asked to come on and make a difference with <15 minutes to go.

Messi, Ronaldo, Salah - players of this ilk,  especially in their senior years, are always going to react poorly and aggressively when they aren't given the best opportunity to put the club (and their) success in their own hands. In Salah's mind, there is no one better in the squad during a title run-in to have on the pitch than him. Its that belief which makes him stand out.

Of course we want him to be Mr. Professional and say nothing wrong or do anything disrespectful to the manager - but its human nature and part of the DNA of every single world class player.

I heard a quote from Roy Keane a few years ago 'squad rotation is key and vital to the squad but don't rotate me' - or something to that effect.

He's a phenomenal player and a legend of the club. He has had a few poor weeks of form but we're not in the situation we are due to him. The goal scoring chart doesn't lie and he's dragged us during parts of this season. Lets not drag his name or Klopp's through the mud. There is a chance they're both leaving and both deserve to leave with their heads held high.  Absolute legends for the club.

Ronaldo was the best player in the world when he was leaving United under Ferguson. That doesn't apply to this version of Mo Salah. And Ronaldo was always a dick. He just got indulged for what he brought on the field. I don't want our players to act like that, even if they are the best in the world. Mo Salah isn't even the best player in his postion for us at the moment and he's throwing a strop like that in public. Not good enough in my opinion.

And using Roy Keane as an example isn't the best - latter day Keane was fucked out the door by Ferguson because his moods and complaints and criticism were no longer compensated for by his abilities on the field. When he left, United won three league titles in a row and won the Champions League.

Even if he was at his best, I wouldn't want to see Salah acting like that. He definitely shouldn't be when he's stunk the gaf out for a month and a half, been one of the main reasons our season derailed, and very rightly been dropped.

[Garlic Red]

Not like Rawk to overreact is it? 😚

If you think it’s an overreaction then fair play.

Our season has fell apart, our idolised manager is leaving and season’s coming to a miserable end. This isn’t rock bottom in a literal sense but for a side that was dreaming of 4 trophies a few weeks ago, it’s pretty close. Salah is our star player, the highest earner, he’s a leader whose influence is huge. People are saying these things happen all the time, maybe they do, but not at this club and not during these moments. We’ve all heard the stories about how Klopp dealt with defeat in Kiev, how he ensured the players kept their chins up and were proud of what they’d achieved, it’s the collective over the individual, it’s sticking together when the going gets tough and coming out the other side in unison. Salah might have his reasons to be annoyed, but he’s been utter dogshit for weeks and can’t dispute he belongs on the bench. To do it on the sidelines is one thing, to swan past the media running his mouth is just idiocy and not befitting of someone of his standing.

For me it’s the beginning of the end, I’m not saying you get rid of him over this, but if he’s acting like that whilst playing some of the worst stuff since he’s been here, I think it’s time the club cut ties and went in another direction. There comes a time when every player thinks they’re better than they are and I think that time for Mo is now.

[number 168]

"There's not a single manager of this club, particularly the ones who built it, like Shanks, that would agree with what just happened in public during a game.  It was shit and disrespecful.  If you can't see that you're fucking deluded or you value players above the club"'.

Perhaps Jurgen should deal with it like Shankly did with Sir Roger when he tore his shirt off andthrew it on the ground becausehe was being subbed. Harold Cartwright, the Liverpool chairman, said: “We have every confidence in whatever action our manager may take which he thinks is in the best interest of the team at any particular time.
“There is no controversy as far as we are concerned.” All smoothed over and Roger left that year.

[AmanShah21]

It looked bad and disrespectful. Mo is a bonafide legend and he needs to lead by example. No idea what the conversation was about but you dont do that in front of cameras. I just think he is frustrated with himself and probably feels slighted by being benched. Might be time to let him go. He'll still be our greatest goalscorer in the Premier League era, one to have won it all.

[AmanShah21]

If you think it’s an overreaction then fair play.

Our season has fell apart, our idolised manager is leaving and season’s coming to a miserable end. This isn’t rock bottom in a literal sense but for a side that was dreaming of 4 trophies a few weeks ago, it’s pretty close. Salah is our star player, the highest earner, he’s a leader whose influence is huge. People are saying these things happen all the time, maybe they do, but not at this club and not during these moments. We’ve all heard the stories about how Klopp dealt with defeat in Kiev, how he ensured the players kept their chins up and were proud of what they’d achieved, it’s the collective over the individual, it’s sticking together when the going gets tough and coming out the other side in unison. Salah might have his reasons to be annoyed, but he’s been utter dogshit for weeks and can’t dispute he belongs on the bench. To do it on the sidelines is one thing, to swan past the media running his mouth is just idiocy and not befitting of someone of his standing.

For me it’s the beginning of the end, I’m not saying you get rid of him over this, but if he’s acting like that whilst playing some of the worst stuff since he’s been here, I think it’s time the club cut ties and went in another direction. There comes a time when every player thinks they’re better than they are and I think that time for Mo is now.

Nah man! This not rock bottom. We've had it far worse. If at the start of the season someone offered me top4 and a cup, I'd have taken that no complaints. It only feels so much worse because we now also have the gaffer leaving.

[Caps4444]

Agreed. It'd need to be 100 million plus for him. Otherwise the transition period in finding his replacement will be painful to say the least.

Nunez, Diaz and Gakpo aren't reliable prolific goal-scorers and finding a replacement is going to be hard. Jota is clinical but he isn't magical.

Salah staying in my opinion guarantees a top 4 finish. That's worth more than 40-50 million and for a new manager to have his best attacker stripped of him but expected to better or emulate Klopp is just near impossible.

I would disagree, no way you will get 100m for someone in their final year at the age of 32.  He will be 32 for the start of next season. We will not get more than 50 million for him. Personally would take that and take his massive wages off the club.

He’s a legend and an excellent servant and Klopp’s system brought the best out of him and took him to another level, but it’s time to move on.

[muszka]

Why are people so sure of this? I know it's all doom and gloom right now, but Liverpool are still one of the best teams in Europe, and really just need a high class DM and one more good finisher. The new coach and reintroduction of Edwards et. al. could lead to lots of success. He is settled here, and so is his family.

Because if he does this disrespectful shit to Klopp how do think he's gonna behave when he's out of form and Slot benches him?

Looks like his legs are gone, same with Mane. There's 0% he's getting a new contract with Edwards and he won't be let go for free. He's gone this summer.

[marto]

So are the "non-elite"  players allowed to behave like this or that's when you'll actually be honest and admit it's unacceptable regardless of the player's quality ?
If Salah is "elite" he is so only because Klopp built the entire team around him, to make him the focal point, the center of every attack. That's why he's the top scorer. Not because he somehow beat teams on his own while being surrounded by rubbish players.

[DonkeyWan]

Nobody knows what Klopp said to Salah before getting mad, but here we are, with the pitchforks out and calling him all sorts of names.

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams...

[Bastion Of Invincibility]

Not sure what him fasting has to do with any of it, but carry on

I haven't much liked him since 2022 when he bent the club over a barrel with his new contract despite poor form after AFCON. And now his form has turned to shit again he's publicly throwing a tantrum at Klopp instead of doing what is best for the club and his body.

Not to mention, I don't care much for him and his Trump-supporting agent as people. One of our greatest players, but that doesn't make him someone to support unconditionally.

[God's Left Peg]

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1784234194832326724

Actually watching him say it is different. It doesn't look as bad.

That's true.

[rscanderlech]

I would disagree, no way you will get 100m for someone in their final year at the age of 32.  He will be 32 for the start of next season. We will not get more than 50 million for him. Personally would take that and take his massive wages off the club.

He’s a legend and an excellent servant and Klopp’s system brought the best out of him and took him to another level, but it’s time to move on.

We might want to have a transitional year in which we retain his services as we find players worthy of replacing him and others. I'm with you that his era here is coming towards its latter stages, though.

[smicer07]

Can't see that Salah has anything to be unhappy about. He's deserved to be on the bench recently.

[decosabute]

If you think it’s an overreaction then fair play.

Our season has fell apart, our idolised manager is leaving and season’s coming to a miserable end. This isn’t rock bottom in a literal sense but for a side that was dreaming of 4 trophies a few weeks ago, it’s pretty close. Salah is our star player, the highest earner, he’s a leader whose influence is huge. People are saying these things happen all the time, maybe they do, but not at this club and not during these moments. We’ve all heard the stories about how Klopp dealt with defeat in Kiev, how he ensured the players kept their chins up and were proud of what they’d achieved, it’s the collective over the individual, it’s sticking together when the going gets tough and coming out the other side in unison. Salah might have his reasons to be annoyed, but he’s been utter dogshit for weeks and can’t dispute he belongs on the bench. To do it on the sidelines is one thing, to swan past the media running his mouth is just idiocy and not befitting of someone of his standing.

For me it’s the beginning of the end, I’m not saying you get rid of him over this, but if he’s acting like that whilst playing some of the worst stuff since he’s been here, I think it’s time the club cut ties and went in another direction. There comes a time when every player thinks they’re better than they are and I think that time for Mo is now.

Spot on.

[rscanderlech]

Because if he does this disrespectful shit to Klopp how do think he's gonna behave when he's out of form and Slot benches him?

Looks like his legs are gone, same with Mane. There's 0% he's getting a new contract with Edwards and he won't be let go for free. He's gone this summer.

I would wait and see whether he apologises. He has until the summer. He is obviously annoyed at how the season has gone. If he gets sold, it won't be because of this one silly moment in seven years.

Also, people are being negative on here because of the way the season is ending up, but he is still very good, and, with better defensive structure and a better striker to play with, he would probably look different.

Too much transition in one summer is not good. We already made a lot of changes last summer. That is, unless we replaced him with superstars worthy of replacing a legend.

[Garlic Red]

Nah man! This not rock bottom. We've had it far worse. If at the start of the season someone offered me top4 and a cup, I'd have taken that no complaints. It only feels so much worse because we now also have the gaffer leaving.

Our season has been a good one, I’m not suggesting that.

I’m talking about where our players’ heads will be at. To fall short at this point, this dramatically, having worked so hard to get ourselves in this position. Mentally, they’ll be at rock bottom, we came so near and didn’t quite get there. Now isn’t the time to be having blazing rows with managers and creating even more headlines. It’s the time for unison, it’s the time to put on the brave face and say we’ll all be back next year stronger and we wont fall short again. Instead, it’s the time for Salah to lose his rag twice and create a talking point that benefits nobody.

[Redknight60]

I would disagree, no way you will get 100m for someone in their final year at the age of 32.  He will be 32 for the start of next season. We will not get more than 50 million for him. Personally would take that and take his massive wages off the club.

He’s a legend and an excellent servant and Klopp’s system brought the best out of him and took him to another level, but it’s time to move on.

I think youre forgetting who the preferred bidder will be. Would be very surprised if a 100m+ offer doesn't come in from Saudi. Despite a bad run of form in the 2nd half of the season, he still has 26 premier league goal involvments this season, only behind Watkins and Palmer. It's not a guy who has declined like a Wayne Rooney for instance.

[DiggerJohn]

He looked good when he came on. That burst of pace he showed is something I’ve not seen in a while. We need a pissed off Salah with a point to prove in the final 3 games of the season.

Damn … only 3 games under Klopp left. 🥹

I like a fired up Mo too. I don't mind a bit of agro argument if it gets the fires going

[decosabute]

I like a fired up Mo too. I don't mind a bit of agro argument if it gets the fires going

People acting as though his little sulk was justified - he was still shite when he came on. Made a bollocks of a simple ball through in the passage of play that some are raving about. But great if people think it's fine he throws a public strop with the manager if it makes him run around a bit after being appalling for weeks.

People really are desperate sometimes to justify any kind of bullshit.

[KC7]

Not like Rawk to overreact is it? 😚

Precisely.

Club legends the pair of them, both of whom have been exemplary during their years of service.

[DiggerJohn]

People acting as though his little sulk was justified - he was still shite when he came on. Made a bollocks of a simple ball through in the passage of play that some are raving about. But great if people think it's fine he throws a public strop with the manager if it makes him run around a bit after being appalling for weeks.

People really are desperate sometimes to justify any kind of bullshit.

I view it the opposite people going over the top. It was an argument they probably over it. Mane got thick with Salah too before they got over it. People are too sensitive now days

[KC7]

People acting as though his little sulk was justified - he was still shite when he came on. Made a bollocks of a simple ball through in the passage of play that some are raving about. But great if people think it's fine he throws a public strop with the manager if it makes him run around a bit after being appalling for weeks.

People really are desperate sometimes to justify any kind of bullshit.

No your right it wasn't a great pass (just behind Nunez), it was more the speed I (and I think others) had referred to. He looked in top gear there. I wonder if that injury, very rare for Mo, affected him more than we know. It's the first time he's really had that with us, and its coincided with the first time he hadn't been at it at the business end.

[HeartAndSoul]

He looked good when he came on. That burst of pace he showed is something I’ve not seen in a while. We need a pissed off Salah with a point to prove in the final 3 games of the season.

Damn … only 3 games under Klopp left. 🥹

We needed a pissed off salah with a point to prove the last 4 weeks. Not with 3 games to go and nothing to play for.

[mattD]

If you think it’s an overreaction then fair play.

Our season has fell apart, our idolised manager is leaving and season’s coming to a miserable end. This isn’t rock bottom in a literal sense but for a side that was dreaming of 4 trophies a few weeks ago, it’s pretty close. Salah is our star player, the highest earner, he’s a leader whose influence is huge. People are saying these things happen all the time, maybe they do, but not at this club and not during these moments. We’ve all heard the stories about how Klopp dealt with defeat in Kiev, how he ensured the players kept their chins up and were proud of what they’d achieved, it’s the collective over the individual, it’s sticking together when the going gets tough and coming out the other side in unison. Salah might have his reasons to be annoyed, but he’s been utter dogshit for weeks and can’t dispute he belongs on the bench. To do it on the sidelines is one thing, to swan past the media running his mouth is just idiocy and not befitting of someone of his standing.

For me it’s the beginning of the end, I’m not saying you get rid of him over this, but if he’s acting like that whilst playing some of the worst stuff since he’s been here, I think it’s time the club cut ties and went in another direction. There comes a time when every player thinks they’re better than they are and I think that time for Mo is now.

It's hard to disagree with this.

He's a legend, I love the guy but as with the best players, ego often overrides perspective to the detriment of the squad as a whole. This is fine when things go well; you'll see the arguments between him and Mane over refusals to pass for goalscoring opportunities when we were dominant but an element of greediness and selfishness is needed in a team of winners. Not a full XI which would turn into disaster but one or two selfish elite players balanced with level headed mature leaders like Hendo or Milner to keep things finely balanced.

That attitude and ego is a double edged sword when things don't go well. It's quite obvious dissent among the ranks and an emotionally intelligent player would refrain from such impulses.

Mo needs to learn that.

[HullReD]

I thought Mo run more today when he came on in the 77th minute today than he had since the game at Brentford 2 months back. I love him and Klopp for what they've done at the club but, they'll both be off this summer.

Yeah i thought that too when he powered forward and made that shit pass to Nunez. Maybe thats what he needed was a rest? i dunno im not Klopp but he looked a tad sharper than normal to me.

[petko]

I love the guy - my favourite Liverpool player ever. But you just don't dont do that to Klopp, especially not with only four games left of his tenure. As much as it pains to admit I think it would be best for both parties if he left this summer. The new manager definitely does not need this type of challenge and drama.

[Andy82lfc]

I see it a bit differently but maybe I’m just bias towards mo.

If it was any other player then after the game saying he’ll bring the fire I’d be pissed, but I can just hear Mo saying that in his daft little way he plays about and I know he’s just likely speaking from the heart but in a joking way because he’s still a bit pissed.

Yeah he should keep his gob shut but unless we see a video of it to gauge how mad or playful he is being I’m more fucked off at the c*nt, shit stirring sewer rats the press and journalists that are desperate to cause murder, which they have done.

[Ginieus]

Klopp and Salah's time.

Yep double sigh. Even Gerrard's last few games were shocking. Battered by Palace at home and humiliated by Stoke away.

[duvva 💅]

I haven't much liked him since 2022 when he bent the club over a barrel with his new contract despite poor form after AFCON. And now his form has turned to shit again he's publicly throwing a tantrum at Klopp instead of doing what is best for the club and his body.

Not to mention, I don't care much for him and his Trump-supporting agent as people. One of our greatest players, but that doesn't make him someone to support unconditionally.

I don’t recall him bending the club over a barrel for a new contract, any more than any other top player does. Plus he’s been top scorer in both those seasons since so it’s not like he wasn’t worth the contract.

Still none of this has anything to do with someone following their religious beliefs so bit pointless bringing it up

[Darren G]

I see it a bit differently but maybe I’m just bias towards mo.

If it was any other player then after the game saying he’ll bring the fire I’d be pissed, but I can just hear Mo saying that in his daft little way he plays about and I know he’s just likely speaking from the heart but in a joking way because he’s still a bit pissed.

Yeah he should keep his gob shut but unless we see a video of it to gauge how mad or playful he is being I’m more fucked off at the c*nt, shit stirring sewer rats the press and journalists that are desperate to cause murder, which they have done.

There's a link to a video of it on the last page.

[decosabute]

I view it the opposite people going over the top. It was an argument they probably over it. Mane got thick with Salah too before they got over it. People are too sensitive now days

Nah, this isn't anything like Mane's little tantrum. Completely different. That was after getting subbed and in the heat of coming off the field. And it was directed at a fellow player who had failed to pass to him a couple of times, not at the manager who had done nothing wrong and dropped you weeks after you actually deserved it. And Mane was at least absolutely doing the business on the field - like it or not, that makes it easier to justify getting a cob on.

This is a different level of disrespect. And a complete and utter lack of showing leadership or caring about group harmony. I'm actually amazed how many are acting like it's fine or even a positive. It's shit behaviour and not acceptable in my opinion. Such an undignified end to a great period.

[bird_lfc]

Could it not just be interpreted as him still being pissed off about the situation?

A whole lot of nothing in my opinion, and it’s likely neither he or Klopp are here next year anyway

[CS111]

As i said previously, for me its time for him to move on and for us to get a new, more hungry and def more technical forward.
Nunez might, thats a big might,  be worth one more season, but id quite happily move him on aswell.
£150m + and id freshen up our attack, as long as diaz doesnt push for a move of course.

[DiggerJohn]

Why does it matter so much. Salah is probably off Klopp is off. I often had big rows with my best friend when playing football  if we didn't pass it to each other. Still best friends. The ones worried are you guys in Rawk. The seasons over anyway. Better to turn your dire on anthony taylor a true arse.