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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8760 on: April 13, 2024, 12:46:26 pm »

Klopp explained his approach to transfers. Smart people will give their opinion on a player then he decides yes or no and hopefully that's what we will continue to do. The data department,  scouts and the manager staff will give their input about a player to the manager and he decides.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8761 on: April 13, 2024, 12:57:28 pm »
Agree. I think Rodgers paved the way for Klopp in som ways. He introduced a game focused on pace and pressing, and he started recruiting from abroad. Klopp came in and did the same, but way better

Rodgers tended to want domestic based players, Edwards/the committee looked to sign more from abroad. Benteke/Firmino an obvious example or Sakho/Lovren and we ended up with both.

Rodgers was brought in with a remit to play a certain style but the style of play changed every season and within the season. There was no inbuilt philosophy with the squad left. Klopp then performed miracles.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8762 on: April 13, 2024, 01:05:48 pm »
That was the biggest mistake Souness made, he shifted out far too many too quickly.

3 foreigner rule coming in for Europe killed us. Most of our squad was non-English and Barnes aside all our best players. So we had to ship loads out in exchange for English players. The problem was the English players we signed weren't good enough. As it turned out we had a lot of good ones coming through the youth team as well like Macca and Robbie.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8763 on: April 13, 2024, 01:12:29 pm »
How convinced are people it will be Amorim who takes over? Or is there someone on the needs database no one expects

I’m not inclined to believe all the rumours and reports coming out. I’ve no doubts we’re interested in Amorim but I genuinely think we’ve just approached him for an interview. I firmly believe there’s a proper process being completed, if we just zone in on one man and don’t conduct a proper process we could end up getting burned if another club gazumps us or Amorim decides he wants to wait to assess his options first.

For no reasons other than pure tinfoil hat conspiracy theories I’ve felt since Hughes was appointed that we may look to revisit Eddie Howe. Most have sneered and laughed at the suggestion but I don’t think it’s that outlandish. The idea of Tindall at our club makes me ill, though.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8764 on: April 13, 2024, 01:14:32 pm »
Main issue is with Alonso out and De Zerbi ruled out we're really reaching in terms of suitable managers. Amorim makes sense, it's hard to find others who do other than Alonso.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8765 on: April 13, 2024, 01:15:21 pm »
Have we considered Pep Lindjers??*










*been about 30 pages. Wanted to keep the flame alive.

I'll burn that flame with you until the very end.

Best available candidate, and worst case scenario we get Alonso in a year.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8766 on: April 13, 2024, 01:16:24 pm »
I’m not inclined to believe all the rumours and reports coming out. I’ve no doubts we’re interested in Amorim but I genuinely think we’ve just approached him for an interview. I firmly believe there’s a proper process being completed, if we just zone in on one man and don’t conduct a proper process we could end up getting burned if another club gazumps us or Amorim decides he wants to wait to assess his options first.

For no reasons other than pure tinfoil hat conspiracy theories I’ve felt since Hughes was appointed that we may look to revisit Eddie Howe. Most have sneered and laughed at the suggestion but I don’t think it’s that outlandish. The idea of Tindall at our club makes me ill, though.

I mean, its pretty outlandish.

One of Rodgers’ failings was his insecurity, the idea of the club having a certain level of expectation. Klopp brought that back, the whole get me 11 players and ill compete line. Now what he leaves is hopefully a club with an expectation of excellence and success.

Howe has been on record several times making jibes about whether he will get sacked. Almost like if he doesnt deliver success, he will be got rid of. If any manager wants to be successful, they have to be 100% sure of themselves and strive to it as well.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8767 on: April 13, 2024, 01:28:14 pm »
I mean, its pretty outlandish.

One of Rodgers’ failings was his insecurity, the idea of the club having a certain level of expectation. Klopp brought that back, the whole get me 11 players and ill compete line. Now what he leaves is hopefully a club with an expectation of excellence and success.

Howe has been on record several times making jibes about whether he will get sacked. Almost like if he doesnt deliver success, he will be got rid of. If any manager wants to be successful, they have to be 100% sure of themselves and strive to it as well.

I don’t want him and I’m not advocating for him, I just meant I don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest we may be interested and will be keeping an eye on how his situation unfolds. They’re about to lose their DoF, they may decide to let whoever they appoint bring his own man in. He’s seemingly got good relations with both key decision makers here, he did a great job with Bournemouth which was enough to have him on our radar in 2015, since then he’s took a bigger job on, had a strong season of over performance and a pretty poor season this season which you could argue was regression. We know the context of why they’ve struggled this season, injuries/suspension and struggling to cope with the extra CL fixtures, it’s not like they were diabolical in Europe, though, they had some good performances and were unlucky with one of the worst penalty decisions I’ve seen for handball. His formation and play style would suit us and his experience would be advantageous. I think he ticks a lot more boxes than most fans give him credit for, hence why I don’t think it’s outlandish. I think we should be aiming for better but I’ve had a doubt in the back of my mind ever since Hughes was appointed.


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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8768 on: April 13, 2024, 01:34:59 pm »
3 foreigner rule coming in for Europe killed us. Most of our squad was non-English and Barnes aside all our best players. So we had to ship loads out in exchange for English players. The problem was the English players we signed weren't good enough. As it turned out we had a lot of good ones coming through the youth team as well like Macca and Robbie.

That rule didn't really affect us that badly, the foreigners we had were Brucie, Gillespie, Nicol, Whelan, Hysen, Molby, Staunton, Hutchison, Houghton, Rush, Rosenthal, Speedie and Cousins, we could have easily trimmed that by getting rid and keeping Beardsley for example

Souness has never mentioned that anyway, it had no effect on the decisions he made, all he said was he same players who he didn't feel would die for the shirt and so he said "fuck off then"
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8769 on: April 13, 2024, 02:06:12 pm »
Diego Simeone and we shithouse are way to win evrething.  :lickin

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« Reply #8770 on: April 13, 2024, 02:09:00 pm »
I'll burn that flame with you until the very end.

Best available candidate, and worst case scenario we get Alonso in a year.


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« Reply #8771 on: April 13, 2024, 02:11:42 pm »
Diego Simeone and we shithouse are way to win evrething.  :lickin

Be worth it just to see him strangling Taylor/Kavanagh/Tierney/Oliver ;D
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8772 on: April 13, 2024, 02:12:15 pm »
Diego Simeone and we shithouse are way to win evrething.  :lickin
I've been banging that drum too. Him v the PGMOL would be something else.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8773 on: April 13, 2024, 02:13:55 pm »
I've been banging that drum too. Him v the PGMOL would be something else.

I'd love to see him as well, but it's never happening unfortunately.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8774 on: April 13, 2024, 02:22:10 pm »
Diego Simeone and we shithouse are way to win evrething.  :lickin
Yep, everyone hates us anyway, so let's bring in a manager that they'll hate too. Imagine the fume every week in Sly Sports and Football Focus!

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8775 on: April 13, 2024, 02:43:13 pm »
So he signed Piechnick  ::)    Mark Wright was a decent signing though, far better than I was expecting him to be.

he was decent not at the same level as sami hyppia

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« Reply #8776 on: April 13, 2024, 03:06:54 pm »
Michael Edwards if he wants it.  ;D

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Liverpool are aware of this - even if Richard Hughes is the new sporting director, Viana could make Amorim’s backroom staff.

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« Reply #8777 on: April 13, 2024, 03:12:20 pm »

Oh my bad - I was not being serious!

I'll just sit here on my jack with a candle then.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8778 on: April 13, 2024, 03:17:29 pm »
How convinced are people it will be Amorim who takes over? Or is there someone on the needs database no one expects

It'll be him or Nagelsmann imo

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« Reply #8779 on: April 13, 2024, 03:19:58 pm »
That was the biggest mistake Souness made, he shifted out far too many too quickly.

The mistake Souness made was not signing Roy Keane.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8780 on: April 13, 2024, 03:29:10 pm »
simione  ;D

Can you just imagine us with our talent base shithousing our way through games.  Dom, Mac, Nunez, Lucho, Bradley...weve got some naturals that could be shown the way. After winning the fair play league for a decade and get tierney and coote for a thank you note it could be kinda fun

but naah i hate that stuff and pgmol would relegate us anyway.
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« Reply #8781 on: April 13, 2024, 05:45:11 pm »
Diego Simeone and we shithouse are way to win evrething.  :lickin

That would be hilarious

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8782 on: April 13, 2024, 06:05:06 pm »
Diego Simeone and we shithouse are way to win evrething.  :lickin

It worked for Mourinho at Chelsea.
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« Reply #8783 on: April 13, 2024, 06:05:55 pm »
It worked for Mourinho at Chelsea.

Football has moved on, especially the PL.
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« Reply #8784 on: April 13, 2024, 06:08:20 pm »
It hasn't because Arteta's gimps are really good at it.

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« Reply #8785 on: April 13, 2024, 06:09:50 pm »
Football has moved on, especially the PL.

Mourinho's tactics might be outdated the dark arts aren't though.
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« Reply #8786 on: April 13, 2024, 06:12:02 pm »
Mourinho's first stint at Chelsea also had Robben and Duff on the wings with Drogba up top. They could play really good footie when needed.

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« Reply #8787 on: April 13, 2024, 06:19:58 pm »
Simeone earns nearly as much as Klopp and Guardiola combined though. Other than that, his tactics have evolved somewhat in the last 2 years or so, Atletico might not be the go to side for entertainment but they sure are not as dull as they were say 5 years ago.
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« Reply #8788 on: April 13, 2024, 06:20:10 pm »
Mourinho's first stint at Chelsea also had Robben and Duff on the wings with Drogba up top. They could play really good footie when needed.

Lampard scoring a goal every other game and Terry at the back
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« Reply #8789 on: April 13, 2024, 08:23:33 pm »
Diego Simeone and we shithouse are way to win evrething.  :lickin

I can't stand him,but it would be funny.

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« Reply #8790 on: April 13, 2024, 08:32:07 pm »
how do people feel if Gian Piero Gasperini got a liverpool interview ?

It worked for Leicester and Ranieri but I don't think FSG will do short term appointments unless we're certain we have a manager like Xabi lined up for 2 seasons from now. If they sacked Kenny for Rodgers then it's unlikely an Italian who's never managed abroad will be in the running.

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« Reply #8791 on: April 13, 2024, 08:50:15 pm »
If he got an interview, it wouldn't be off the back on Thursday, it'd be based on his past 8 years at Atalanta. Fucker has done us twice at Anfield now

He has done an amazing job with them took them to 3 QF in Europe which is huge for them.

Im warming to Howe mainly to bring that master tactician Tindall along with him what joy that would be !!

Hughes even mentions him id fire him on the spot 😂

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8792 on: April 13, 2024, 09:31:59 pm »
Lampard scoring a deflected goal every other game and Terry at the back

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8793 on: April 14, 2024, 03:40:36 am »
It worked for Leicester and Ranieri but I don't think FSG will do short term appointments unless we're certain we have a manager like Xabi lined up for 2 seasons from now. If they sacked Kenny for Rodgers then it's unlikely an Italian who's never managed abroad will be in the running.

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« Reply #8794 on: April 14, 2024, 05:22:50 am »
Main issue is with Alonso out and De Zerbi ruled out we're really reaching in terms of suitable managers. Amorim makes sense, it's hard to find others who do other than Alonso.
Don't think there are that many candidates at the moment, Jurgen was always the man in demand, plenty of clubs were interested. The main issue will be having the personality and the credibility to take over from Jurgen. Xabi had the credibility but of course that ship has sailed.

Amporin or whoever is going to have to deal with an expectation 20 times what Jurgen had, but of course the squad will be 20 times better as well. The irony is that many of the names in the frame would've actually had more time/patience if they were following Rodgers.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8795 on: April 14, 2024, 09:38:50 am »
Don't think there are that many candidates at the moment, Jurgen was always the man in demand, plenty of clubs were interested. The main issue will be having the personality and the credibility to take over from Jurgen. Xabi had the credibility but of course that ship has sailed.

Amporin or whoever is going to have to deal with an expectation 20 times what Jurgen had, but of course the squad will be 20 times better as well. The irony is that many of the names in the frame would've actually had more time/patience if they were following Rodgers.
I've been wondering about the bit in bold. Of course, replacing Klopp is not an easy task by any means. In fact, it's impossible. You can come in and be yourself, then stand or fall on the strength of that. Or you can try to be someone you're not, and fall flat on your face.

In a way, I wonder if coming in after Klopp actually reduces the expectation rather than ramp it up. It seems pretty clear that virtually everyone expects a drop off once Klopp goes. I don't think I've seen anyone, anywhere, suggesting we'll power on and improve further without him. We may well do so, but I'm not seeing anyone pushing that view seriously.

So I wonder if this actually gives the new man a bit of breathing space, because expectations are not actually that high? I know when Klopp came in I did expect to win the title. After Kyiv I did expect us to regroup and lift Big Ears at the next attempt. But as things stand, I have no such expectations of the new man, regardless of who he may be. With Klopp I, and many others I might add, knew he was a surefire winner. With anyone else, well who knows?

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8796 on: April 14, 2024, 09:48:00 am »
I would take Simeone for a season just for the drama and the laughs.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8797 on: April 14, 2024, 09:54:23 am »
Amorim is still being asked about the Liverpool job even though he has expressly asked them to stop doing that. Can't Sporting just says anyone who asks about Amorim's future won't be invited back?

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8798 on: April 14, 2024, 11:25:49 am »
I've been wondering about the bit in bold. Of course, replacing Klopp is not an easy task by any means. In fact, it's impossible. You can come in and be yourself, then stand or fall on the strength of that. Or you can try to be someone you're not, and fall flat on your face.

In a way, I wonder if coming in after Klopp actually reduces the expectation rather than ramp it up. It seems pretty clear that virtually everyone expects a drop off once Klopp goes. I don't think I've seen anyone, anywhere, suggesting we'll power on and improve further without him. We may well do so, but I'm not seeing anyone pushing that view seriously.

So I wonder if this actually gives the new man a bit of breathing space, because expectations are not actually that high? I know when Klopp came in I did expect to win the title. After Kyiv I did expect us to regroup and lift Big Ears at the next attempt. But as things stand, I have no such expectations of the new man, regardless of who he may be. With Klopp I, and many others I might add, knew he was a surefire winner. With anyone else, well who knows?

The new man may enjoy a bit of slack water, where the current isn't running in either direction.

That goes without saying surely, as it takes time for players to get used a new manager's way of playing. Although he's close to Klopp's style it's not entirely the same and so they will all need to adjust to what the new manager wants them to do.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #8799 on: April 14, 2024, 12:49:02 pm »
It hasn't because Arteta's gimps are really good at it.

PMGOL wouldnt let us get away with what arsenal are doing

arsenal could nuke a babies hospital and PMGOL and sky would be fawning and justifying their actions the post game analysis.