Topic: 7he Manches7er Uni7ed 7hread - NO GREENWOOD/ANTONY*

[SamLad]

They've struggled to shift players there. Telles went there last season for peanuts and they were looking to offload Sancho to a Saudi club.

Maybe it's because they're just not good at selling players.

well they're crap at buying them, so you might be right 

[rossipersempre]

Letting it be known that 90% of the vastly overpaid first team squad is available for sale, is marketing genius of which the likes of us mere mortals cannot comprehend.

[Terry de Niro]

Letting it be known that 90% of the vastly overpaid first team squad is available for sale, is marketing genius of which the likes of us mere mortals cannot comprehend.

Won't making this public make their players start playing shit?

Oh wait...

[Kopenhagen]

Letting it be known that 90% of the vastly overpaid first team squad is available for sale, is marketing genius of which the likes of us mere mortals cannot comprehend.

New regime trying to win fans' hearts and minds, and they have some of the most easily led fans on the planet. It obviously doesn't make any sense from a business perspective, but these assets are in the gutter anyway. A lot of them will have to be bought out for eye-watering sums, as The North Bank mentioned earlier. The Arsenal example is illustrative, but this will be financially far more severe. I guess they've wasted well over a billion already since Ferguson left, so what's a another hundred, two hundred million? Money is no object for them.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Serious question.
Do they have anyone worth a carrot?

They've hyped up Manoo like crazy so they'd want a decent fee for him. Would Inter Milan or PSG give them 80-100m for rat boy Fernandes maybe  that's it nobody else is commanding a fee over 30m tops for anyone else in that squad.

[Fortneef]

No no no don’t you get it?

They'll simply sell Dave Scapegoat to PremMidTable Fc
for 30m and buy Davide Wunderkinder from Fc Forren for
25m, thereby upgrading a position for minus five million quid!
Easy.

[DarkOfTheManatee]

They've hyped up Manoo like crazy so they'd want a decent fee for him. Would Inter Milan or PSG give them 80-100m for rat boy Fernandes maybe  that's it nobody else is commanding a fee over 30m tops for anyone else in that squad.

Inter Milan might offer a 2 year loan with an option to buy for Fernandes, but there's surely no way any Serie A team is paying what Man Utd would want for an inconsistent, petulant 29 year old.

You'd think that the only players that clubs with significant money would be interested in paying a sizeable amount for are probably Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund and maybe Rashford. For the very reason that they're the only players Man Utd want to keep - because they could actually be good.

Otherwise, they'll need to hope for £20-30m for McTominay or Maguire from someone like West Ham as they're home grown. It might even be tricky duping Chelsea into buying anyone, since the likes of Anthony, Casemiro, Onana and Varane are either the wrong age or so underwhelming that their Football Manager potential ability (Boehly's primary metric for transfer targets, it seems) will have dropped.

[RJH]

Ratcliffe in full "I haven't got any actually useful ideas, so I'll just cut costs wherever I can" businessman mode:

Manchester United staff ‘dismayed’ as club scrap free travel and food for FA Cup final

Manchester United staff have reportedly been left ‘dismayed’ after INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s cost-cutting saw the removal of employee perks for the upcoming FA Cup final.
...In the past, staff members had received multiple tickets for friends and family which also came with free transport to the game.
Club directors were also treated to a pre-match meal as well as a party and accommodation in London following the fixture.
However, according to The Times, those benefits have now been scrapped, with all staff members and directors now gifted just one ticket and required to pay for their own transport – a £20 return fare for a coach to Wembley.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/26/man-utd-staff-dismayed-club-scrap-free-travel-food-fa-cup-final-20723558/

[Peabee]

Ratcliffe in full "I haven't got any actually useful ideas, so I'll just cut costs wherever I can" businessman mode:


https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/26/man-utd-staff-dismayed-club-scrap-free-travel-food-fa-cup-final-20723558/

That's going to save billions. Genius. 

[rob1966]

That's going to save billions. Genius. 

He'll find a way to deduct it off their tax bill too

[rafathegaffa83]

Ratcliffe in full "I haven't got any actually useful ideas, so I'll just cut costs wherever I can" businessman mode:


https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/26/man-utd-staff-dismayed-club-scrap-free-travel-food-fa-cup-final-20723558/

A great way to kill morale

[rossipersempre]

Ratcliffe in full "I haven't got any actually useful ideas, so I'll just cut costs wherever I can" businessman mode:


https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/26/man-utd-staff-dismayed-club-scrap-free-travel-food-fa-cup-final-20723558/

"I called the team manager: 'Excuse me, why have they taken a pound off my salary.'

The team manager had a look and told me: 'It was the fruit juice from the mini-bar.'

'Are you kidding, seriously?' 'No, I'm not. Here, if you order something you have to pay for it.'

"Sure, but I didn't go to the hotel on my own accord. I wasn't on holiday. It was my workplace. I was there for Manchester. If I have to play and I'm thirsty, I have to drink. I can't go on the pitch dehydrated.'

"Can you believe it? A quid? Something like that would never happen in Italy. These are the details that make a difference and earn the respect of the players."

[Peabee]

A great way to kill morale

Exactly. To save way less than the weekly wage of one player.

[MrGrumpy]

Ratcliffe in full "I haven't got any actually useful ideas, so I'll just cut costs wherever I can" businessman mode:


https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/26/man-utd-staff-dismayed-club-scrap-free-travel-food-fa-cup-final-20723558/

In Ratcliffe’s eyes, this is a statement to say that there is a new regime in town that won’t tolerate waste or excess. For the people that keep the club running such as canteen staff or office workers, this is a move that will upset them. Few if any are responsible for the malaise at Old Trafford but are seemingly being punished for it.

[darragh85]

Must be making 100% sure that their players don't try a leg vrs arsenal in case we miraculously still have a chance of winning the league

[FlashGordon]

Fernandes is talented to be fair, but his percentages are so low that he gives the ball away so much trying to go for glory, it wouldnt work in our controlled possession system. Probably suits liverpools chaos football better.

Not sure how hed do at a big club though.

You keep saying this little dig about chaos. We average more possession than you.

[Kopenhagen]

Seems like a lot of their fans want Tuchel brought in.

Please let it happen. It'd be a train wreck of epic proportions.

[zero zero]

You keep saying this little dig about chaos. We average more possession than you.

Tbf, those figures are skewed because we're not gleeful with 28% possession at City

[Mister Flip Flop]

Inter Milan might offer a 2 year loan with an option to buy for Fernandes, but there's surely no way any Serie A team is paying what Man Utd would want for an inconsistent, petulant 29 year old.

You'd think that the only players that clubs with significant money would be interested in paying a sizeable amount for are probably Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund and maybe Rashford. For the very reason that they're the only players Man Utd want to keep - because they could actually be good.

Otherwise, they'll need to hope for £20-30m for McTominay or Maguire from someone like West Ham as they're home grown. It might even be tricky duping Chelsea into buying anyone, since the likes of Anthony, Casemiro, Onana and Varane are either the wrong age or so underwhelming that their Football Manager potential ability (Boehly's primary metric for transfer targets, it seems) will have dropped.

Nobody is thick enough to pay over 30m for Rashford. He's massively over rated. Has a Spurs move written all over him for 25m maybe.

[rafathegaffa83]

Suggestions from The Athletic that Ten Hag won't be sacked this summer

Nobody is thick enough to pay over 30m for Rashford. He's massively over rated. Has a Spurs move written all over him for 25m maybe.

ESPN saying that Man Utd themselves feel there will be no takers this summer

[DangerScouse]

Psg might be daft enough to sign him?

[Mighty_Red]

Seems like a lot of their fans want Tuchel brought in.

Please let it happen. It'd be a train wreck of epic proportions.

Actually it would be perfect for them, he would get them some results in his first season before it slowly goes to shit. Its the same cycle they've had for years but one the owners are relatively happy with as ot keeps Man U in the news and relevant which keeps the money rolling in which is all that matters.

[PaulF]

You keep saying this little dig about chaos. We average more possession than you.

I think it's a complement. Early on I think klopp wanted to create chaos and for us to have players that thrive when it's not dull tikki takka football.

[JC the Messiah]

Sancho's not doing his value any harm, now he's not paying at United...

[Terry de Niro]

Please let him stay.

[Koplass]

I think it's a complement. Early on I think klopp wanted to create chaos and for us to have players that thrive when it's not dull tikki takka football.

Yeah, I wish we'd had a little more chaos to our game over the past couple of months. Slowly passing the ball around with 70% possession hasn't really worked.

[Raid]

Sancho's not doing his value any harm, now he's not paying at United...

They won't realise its them that's the problem, keep him in the summer, then wonder why he's not the second coming of Messi by September.

[vblfc]

Easter Island, Anthony, Sancho, Wan-Bissaka and the like are not utter ****. However, none of they play particularly well together or in the system Ten Haag uses. Rather than trying to sell the entire squad, a better idea would be for M** U to work out how they want to play and which players will fit in to their system. Can anyone else see them signing players because the gutter press tell them to this summer?

there’s another solution to get those players performing…..(Think waistcoat and a source of national pride.) It makes so much sense it must happen.

[spen71]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz74jgj8ej1o

Lucky to get half the total quoted

[smutchin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz74jgj8ej1o

Lucky to get half the total quoted

The valuation of Maguire at 14m/17m is probably the most damning stat there, considering what they paid for him.

What a way to run a business.

[1892tillforever]

The valuation of Maguire at 14m/17m is probably the most damning stat there, considering what they paid for him.

What a way to run a business.

Not even Peter Risdale at Leeds or Todd Boehly, or anyone with a working pair of eyes, are paying £63m for Antony 

£46m for McTominay and £61m for Dalot are almost as amusing.

[Mighty_Red]

Looking forward to the day Rashford goes for £100m. Who did these estimates? Everton?

[Hazell]

CEIS Football Observatory are some of the biggest frauds going. Moreoso than even Ten Hag.

[MrGrumpy]

Looking forward to the day Rashford goes for £100m. Who did these estimates? Everton?

Rashford seems the sort who would sink without trace if he left his hometown club.

[rob1966]

So Antony was the fourth most expensive signing in PL history at the time they signed him according to the article. Pogba and Lukaku must be the other two these dickheads are responsible for then? Know how to waste money this shower of bellends

[Hazell]

So Antony was the fourth most expensive signing in PL history at the time they signed him according to the article. Pogba and Lukaku must be the other two these dickheads are responsible for then? Know how to waste money this shower of bellends

After enduring years of Ferguson, it's a joy to behold.

[Musketeer Gripweed]

I think I heard on the radio in the office this morning that they were going to keep EtH for next season because of the cost involved to fire him. What a ringing endorsement that is.

[Agent99]

Am I missing something here? How the fuck is Dalot valued at £61m? Ludicrous

[thaddeus]

CEIS Football Observatory are some of the biggest frauds going. Moreoso than even Ten Hag.

I don't know much about CEIS but the valuations they've put against those players are ridiculous.

The top four would all go for a maximum of half those valuations.  Hjolund cost £60mn, has scored eight league goals this season and is apparently worth £93mn.  Rashford and Garnacho have 7 goals and are apparently worth £106mn and £92mn.  That's a £291mn forward line that has scored a combined 22 league goals this season despite playing in almost every game.  Chuck in Antony and you have a £356mn forward line that has a combined 23 league goals.

Hopefully Sir Jim takes those valuations as the starting point for his negotiations when trying to sell!

[Brian Blessed]

I wondered if the chart was missing a column. The breakdown below it has much lower valuations. Rashford still over priced!