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Origins of Songs.
« on: February 19, 2002, 11:56:37 am »
This song was being sung when I was a young sprog, where did it originate from.  Did we take them all?

Those were the days my friends
We took the Stretford End
We took the Shed
The North Bank Highbury

We took the Geordies too
We fought for Liverpool
We are the Kop
Of Liverpool FC

Na na na na, nana ...


This is still one of my favorites, but did you know that Everton sing it too  :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

The reds are coming up the hill boys,
The reds are coming up the hill boys.

They all laugh at us
They all mock at us
They all say our days are numbered.

Born to be a Scouse
Victorious are we,
If you wanna win a cup
Then you'd better hurry up
Cos we're Liverpool FC

Victorious and glorious
We took the Gwladys Street
between four of us
And glory be to God that there isn’t anymore of us
Cos we’d take the fucking lot!


8)

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A boy from the Mersey and a Son of Shankly.

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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2002, 03:35:19 pm »
Posted by Will M on RAOTL.

" LIVERBIRD UPON MY CHEST

Was written by a kopite called Phil Aspinall (usually to be seen in the Globe and the Albert).The tune comes from THE BALLAD OF THE GREEN BERETS by Col. Johnny Horton (which was Number One in the USA on the day I was born !).The film starred John Wayne.

POOR SCOUSER TOMMY

Is in fact TWO songs joined together.OH I AM A LIVERPUDLIAN dates from the mid sixties and was written by a fella called Pete Daly.The tune is the Orange Lodge standard THE SASH MY FATHER WORE.

The first part of the song is based on the tune RED RIVER VALLEY which is an old cowboy song (allegedly sung by British troops in the War of Independence).No idea who wrote it.

THE REDS ARE COMING UP THE HILL BOYS

No idea what the tune is or who wrote it except it is originally a BOLTON WANDERERS song.

Will M
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Apparently LUMC was written in the 85/86 season and originally had the words 'We are men of Kenny's best' instead of Shankly's best.

There is also debate over PST. Some say that part of it is a Spanish Civil War Song.
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2002, 05:23:21 pm »
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The tune is the Orange Lodge standard THE SASH MY FATHER WORE.  



makes me proud to be british when i hear it!

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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2002, 05:33:45 pm »
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2002, 05:38:19 pm »
unsurprised  ::) ::)

Sad to see what makes some folk proud to be British.

Things that make me proud to be British:

Liverpool's in Britain
Scotland's in Britain
Universal suffrage
Press freedom
Our radical green/red fringe
Our musical talent outside the charts
Our role in defeating facism
Our multiculturalism

Things that make me ashamed to be British:

Our imperial past
The abuse and hijack of our flag by facists and orangemen
The sections of our community represented by the Sun newspaper
Our shitty attitude to our natural environment

Sorry to go off topic there but British Nationalism does my head in  :puke:
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2002, 05:49:12 pm »
THE REDS ARE COMING UP THE HILL BOYS  

No idea what the tune is or who wrote it except it is originally a BOLTON WANDERERS song.  

I am amazed.
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A boy from the Mersey and a Son of Shankly.

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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2002, 06:27:42 pm »
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unsurprised  ::) ::)

Sad to see what makes some folk proud to be British.

Things that make me proud to be British:

Our radical green/red fringe
Our role in defeating facism
Our multiculturalism



We have never had such an active radical fringe as other European countries. Although britain has been/is more radical than America.
If youre looking for the main role in defeating of Nazism (as distinct from fascism) try Russia. Although Britain played a more significant role than America.
Our multicultural policy is one of the worst in Europe, although still significantly better than America.

:P ;D ;D

Only jokin'. I loathe the nationalism espoused by some sections of our society as well.

And the distortion of history by Western (mainly American Cold War, but also some sections of Oxford Uni) writers.

Back to songs, most of ours do come from other clubs, but dont hear other clubs sing them like we do though. YNWA, LUMC are definately ours. Rangers sing PST, although with different words obviously.

if only Shankly from Glenbuck could be learned by more than the 5 or so regulars in the Albert...
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2002, 06:42:15 pm »
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Rangers sing PST, although with different words obviously.  

if only Shankly from Glenbuck could be learned by more than the 5 or so regulars in the Albert


the rangers song is totally differant to the one we sing!!!! and also i know the words to shankly from glenbuck! so come on i want you all to learn it for saturday at least if not tomorrow!! IF I CAN DO IT ANYBODY CAN!!!
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2002, 06:49:19 pm »
Hehehe. Yeh, you were one of the people I included KOTP.

I know most of it, but always fuck the 2nd verse up  :but:

If I finish this fucken essay tonight then Ill get it sorted.
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2002, 08:48:48 pm »
Question: When did YNWA start being used? aproximately?
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2002, 08:51:51 pm »
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2002, 09:10:47 pm »
Thanks.
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2002, 11:19:00 pm »
Is there a song for the Wonderful Father Christmas we stole from across Stanley Park yet?
If not I reckon: (to the Nick Barmby tune)

His Hair is white,
We signed him from the shite,
Xavier, Xavier
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2002, 12:34:36 am »
More on Poor Scouser Tommy - as said earlier the second section (I am a Liverpudlian) was written by Peter "Jig" Daly. The first bit has a longer history:

The original British army version is this:

From this valley they say you are going
We will miss your bright eyes and sweet smile
For they say you are taking the sunshine
That has brightened our pathways awhile

CHORUS:
Come and sit by my side, if you love me
Do not hasten to bid me adieu
Just remember the Red River Valley
And the cowboy who loved you so true

I've been thinking a long time, my darling
Of the sweet words you never would say
Now, alas, must my fond hopes all vanish
For they say you are gong away

Do you think of the valley you're leaving
O how lonely and how dreary it will be
And do you think of the kind hearts you're breaking
And the pain you are causing to me

CHORUS
They will bury me where you have wandered
Near the hills where the daffodils grow
When you're gone from the Red River Valley
For I can't live without you I know

there's also a USA Vietnam version

To the Red River Valley we are going,
For to get us some trains and some trucks.
But if I had my say so about it,
I'd still be at home in the sack.

Come and sit by my side at the briefing,
Do not hasten to bid me adieu.
To the Red River Valley we're going,
And I'm flying four in Flight Blue.

We went for to check on the weather,
And they said it was clear as could be.
I lost my wingman 'round the field,
And the rest augered in out at sea.

S-2 said there's no flak where we're going,
S-2 said there's no flak on the way.
There's a dark overcast o'er the target,
I'm beginning to doubt what they say.

To the valley they say we are going,
And many strange sights will we see.
But the one there that held my attention,
Was the SAM that they threw up at me.

To the valley he said he was flying,
And he never saw the medal that he earned.
Many jocks have flown into the valley,
And a number have never returned.

So I listened as he briefed on the mission,
Tonight at the bar Teak Flight will sing.
But we're going to the Red River Valley,
And today you are flying my wing.

Oh, the flak is so thick in the valley,
That the MiGs and the SAMs we don't need.
So fly high and down-sun in the valley,
And guard well the ass of Teak Lead.

Now things turn to shit in the valley,
And the briefing I gave, you don't heed.
They'll be waiting at the Hanoi Hilton,
And it's fish heads and rice for Teak Lead.

We refueled on the way to the valley,
In the States it had always been fun.
But with thunder and lightning all around us,
'twas the last A. A. R. for Teak One.

When he came to a bridge in the valley,
He saw a duty that he couldn't shun.
For the first to roll in on the target,
Was my leader, old Teak Number One.

Oh, he flew through the flak toward the target,
With his bombs and his rockets drew a bead.
But he never pulled out of his bomb run,
'twas fatal for another Teak Lead.

So come sit by my side at the briefing,
We will sit there and tickle the beads.
For we're going to the Red River Valley,
And my call sign for today is Teak Lead.

The very first version dates from the 1860s

"So remember the valley you're leaving, Do not hasten to bid me adieu, But remember the Red River Valley..."

Who hasn't heard the words from the classic Red River Valley? Although many are familiar with the Texas version of the song, research by Canadian folklorist Edith Fowke, shows the song originated among British troops who came to Manitoba, the Red River Valley of the North. The time was the late 1860's during the famous Metis rebellion. The uprising was lead by Louis Riel of Metis (half French, half aboriginal) descent and his friends against British rule before Manitoba's eventual inclusion in Canada in 1870. A statue of Louis Riel in nearby Winnipeg now recognizes Riel as the first leader of Manitoba, something the British government was not willing to recognize and eventually had Louis Riel hanged for treason.

Like "Fraulein" and all the other soldier's-sweetheart songs, "Red River Valley" is a song of military occupation. This original text is somewhat different from the versions we hear today. Because of some of the terms in it, it is politically incorrect, however, it paints a picture of what life was like for a Metis maiden, sad that her love is leaving her.

Red River Valley

It's a long time, you know, I've been waiting For the words that you never did say, Now alas! all my fond hopes have vanished, For they say you are going away.

From this valley they say you are going. I shall miss your blue eyes and sweet smile, For you take with you all of the sunshine That has brightened my pathway a while.

So consider a while ere you leave me, Do not hasten to bid me adieu, But
remember the Red River Valley And the half-breed who loved you so true.

So remember the valley you're leaving, How lonely, how dreary it will be;
Remember the heart you are breaking, And be true to your promise to me.

As you go to your home by the ocean, May you never forget those sweet hours
That we spent in the Red River Valley And the love we exchanged in its bowers.
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2002, 12:41:11 am »
Good work Rushian.
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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2002, 01:18:05 am »
One of the earliest songs, in the fifties, was

Oh when the Saints
Go marching in
...

changed of course to

Oh when the Reds
...

Nice to hear it still. Another early one was the Ian StJohn chant, adapted from the Routiers hit 'Let's Go':

clap clap
clap clap clap clap
St.John!



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Re: Origins of Songs.
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2002, 03:14:12 am »
I've found the Spanish Civil war version of PST:

The Jarama Song

There's a valley in Spain called Jarama / It's a place that we all know so well / It was there that we gave of our manhood / And there that our brave comrades fell

We are proud of the Lincoln Battalion / And the fight for Madrid that we made / Where we fought like true sons of the people / That Fascism never should reign

Now we're leaving this valley of sorrows / And its memories we'll never forget / So before we continue this reunion / Let us stand to our glorious dead
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