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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #280 on: January 7, 2005, 08:17:24 pm »
terre da vino.
on offer at 9.99.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #281 on: January 7, 2005, 08:43:02 pm »
So Gus If I wanted to buy something with a 1996 vintage to keep until 2012, 2014 and 2017 - what would you suggest?

First of all i would suggest 1995, many prefer 1996, but I think 1995 is a little fruitier.

I think the 1995 Maicallou is excellent, as is 1995 Chateau Le Croix. I'll look into who have good growth in that year, do bear with me.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #282 on: January 7, 2005, 08:44:09 pm »
Chateau Gloria 1995 is pretty good for £17 a bottle
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #283 on: January 7, 2005, 08:46:25 pm »
1990 Cantenac Brown for £41 is damn good too!
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #284 on: January 7, 2005, 08:47:11 pm »
£30 for 1990 Chasse spleen is awesome too.

Ooohhh I am in my element here, i can not believe I din't know about this site.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #285 on: January 7, 2005, 09:08:22 pm »
oooohh, blue nun ! £1 a bottle, can't go wrong ! :wanker

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #286 on: January 7, 2005, 09:14:43 pm »
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #287 on: January 7, 2005, 09:22:49 pm »
A bit harsh!
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #288 on: January 7, 2005, 11:30:58 pm »
 :wanker

I mean

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #289 on: January 7, 2005, 11:33:25 pm »
First of all i would suggest 1995, many prefer 1996, but I think 1995 is a little fruitier.

I think the 1995 Maicallou is excellent, as is 1995 Chateau Le Croix. I'll look into who have good growth in that year, do bear with me.

It has to be 1996, as it wil be a 16th, 18th and 21st birthday drink.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #290 on: January 7, 2005, 11:36:21 pm »
Fair enough!

In which case go for a West Bank Claret, like a Medoc, St Estephe, St Julien, Margaux or Paullaic.

How much do you want to spend? If you don't mind me asking.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #291 on: January 7, 2005, 11:40:39 pm »
Or for something a bit different try Elderton Command Shiraz 1996, i'll just see how much i'll set you back.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #292 on: January 7, 2005, 11:40:43 pm »
Fair enough!

In which case go for a West Bank Claret, like a Medoc, St Estephe, St Julien, Margaux or Paullaic.

How much do you want to spend? If you don't mind me asking.

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #294 on: January 7, 2005, 11:50:54 pm »
Indeed
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #295 on: January 8, 2005, 12:31:21 am »
It has to be 1996, as it wil be a 16th, 18th and 21st birthday drink.

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #296 on: January 8, 2005, 12:33:25 am »
Like Mother like son  ;)

He has tried a sip or two already.  He quite liked the Sangria on the beach in Ibiza last year ( at 6  :o)

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #297 on: January 8, 2005, 12:41:09 am »
He has tried a sip or two already.  He quite liked the Sangria on the beach in Ibiza last year ( at 6  :o)

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #298 on: January 8, 2005, 08:23:39 pm »
Just opened a bottle of Gavi La Luciana 2004

Superb, really tasty, like a mild Oyster Bay Sauvignon without the horrid aftertaste and the syrupy feel.

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Although I suspect it will give me a stinking headache
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #299 on: January 8, 2005, 08:26:18 pm »
White wine is for girls  ;)
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #300 on: January 8, 2005, 08:38:02 pm »
White wine is for girls ;)

Hence the reason why I am drinking a bottle of Budvar, the wine is for the salmon that I am about to cook.  :P
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #301 on: January 8, 2005, 08:39:29 pm »
Mmmm budvar, got canned lager or red wine. Red wine wins.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #302 on: January 8, 2005, 08:40:24 pm »
Mmmm budvar, got canned lager or red wine. Red wine wins.

Bottled Czech Beer or Red Wine, more of a battle.

Don't really feel like gout tonight.  :-\
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #303 on: January 8, 2005, 08:47:16 pm »
mmmmmmm.  wine.....






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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #304 on: January 8, 2005, 08:49:42 pm »
Thanks for that  :D
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #305 on: January 28, 2005, 08:10:20 pm »
Tesco doing Vina  Mara Gran Reserva 1998 Rioja for £6.99 a bottle reduced from £10

Good one to keep for a few years, or if you drink it now, decant it well.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #306 on: January 28, 2005, 09:45:16 pm »
Whats your views, Gus, on 2003 en primeur claret?  Will it turn out classic? Or vastly overhyped?
Wondering about buying 3 or 4 cases to drink meself/sell in few years... whats your opinion?
eg first/second growths?  Lafite being spoken of reverentially..

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #308 on: January 28, 2005, 09:58:40 pm »
Generally speaking, it will be a good year at worst, there was similar hype to the 2000 vintage, which thus far has been a little dissapointing.

The thing to bear in mind with '03 is that it was so so hot just before the harvest, so many growers either picked early, because the fruit was going to become too high in sugar, and so acidity levels would be low and the wine wouldn't age well. This was mainly the case in Pomerol and St Emillion where the Merlot was becoming really really high in sugar. Because of this on the east bank of the Gironde harvest were really low, and prices went up for wines which were not that good.

I think the Medoc is the place to buy in 2003, Cabernet was left a bit longer, so the wines had great intensity and complexity at a young age, they may not mature as well as say a '90 or a '00, but they will be very very good. Basically stick to the NW of Bordeaux, St Estephe and Paulliac especially, even Margaux was good.

BUT, one word of warning, some of the growers in these AC communes did harvest too early, so get advice on particular estates.

If it were me, I would grab a case each of Margaux and perhaps Cos d'Estournel or perhaps Montrose.

Lafite was still a low yield so you would have to pay a premium, value is questionable.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #309 on: January 28, 2005, 10:49:52 pm »
Thanks Gus, appreciate your advice. Wont push the boat out then, settle for a case of Giscours at good price, and maybe a Pontet Canet?
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #310 on: January 28, 2005, 10:55:06 pm »
Not a bad choice, the Giscours was picked about the right time, should age well. Not the best vines there, but for the money certainly couldn't grumble.

Pontet Canet is an even better choice, especially long term, will age even better than the Margaux, need to wait 10 years at least to get the best out of it.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #311 on: January 28, 2005, 10:58:34 pm »
Just to add something to the mix, what about Ch. Durfort-Vivens 2000, i know it isn't En Primeur, but for similar money I think you will have something that will be even better in 20 years or so. Just something i tried last week that got my brain ticking over.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #312 on: January 28, 2005, 11:09:20 pm »
Red wine..........to be chilled or not to be chilled  ???
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #313 on: January 28, 2005, 11:27:54 pm »
Red wine..........to be chilled or not to be chilled ???

Caneros or Otago Pinot Noir, to be chilled, everything else up for debate.

Mind you if someone tries to chill a 1961 Margaux or a 1996 Chambertin I will shoot them!  ;D
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #314 on: January 28, 2005, 11:36:39 pm »
So that Grenache Shiraz i should take out of the fridge
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #315 on: January 29, 2005, 01:48:54 am »
why do you need to decant that rioja well? explain please.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #316 on: January 29, 2005, 09:32:04 am »
Probably cos of it's age, it's almost as old as Gus  ;D
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #317 on: January 29, 2005, 10:58:43 am »
Probably cos of it's age, it's almost as old as Gus ;D

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It is because it has been in its bottle for a number of years now, and also because of it's style and vinifications methods (i.e the fact it is aged in oak and the fact that the Tempranillo grape skins are very tannic) means that it needs contact with the air to develop it's flavours and to reduce the level of acidity.
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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #318 on: January 29, 2005, 11:50:31 am »
ta la. christ you're good!

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Re: The Wine Thread
« Reply #319 on: January 29, 2005, 11:56:51 am »

as for hally's comment - ::)

Seconded!  ::)
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