Author Topic: Team news, pre-, in- and post-match comments and analysis v Man City (Read 4598 times)

koolkamal · « **Reply #80 on:** August 21, 2004, 05:13:46 pm »

Quote from: Botswana Red on August 21, 2004, 05:05:14 pm

Great result, I'll be able to watch the game in about 4 hours time (anyone in South Africa it'll be on SuperSport 3 from 22:15).

Now I'm off to watch Man Utd v Norwich...

Up the Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds!~

Thanks Botswana red, gotta find someone with satelite now

and disturb them.

Vinay · « **Reply #81 on:** August 21, 2004, 05:20:25 pm »

Quote from: Red_Lozza on August 21, 2004, 04:58:32 pm

Jose Bartonez

Phoenix · « **Reply #82 on:** August 21, 2004, 05:36:00 pm »

Dont think well be seeing Jerzy Dudek next week, he does this too frequently

seawa · « **Reply #83 on:** August 21, 2004, 05:55:30 pm »

Quote from: MC-Red on August 21, 2004, 04:04:37 pm

Last year the slide shows were great. You got a very good feel for the game I hope they go back to it.

No slide shows this season - they are not allowed any more. (Premier League closed the loophole that allowed them to do it last year, according to .tv admin.)

wellsie82 · « **Reply #84 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:01:07 pm »

Quote from: Phoenix1985 on August 21, 2004, 05:36:00 pm

Dont think well be seeing Jerzy Dudek next week, he does this too frequently

with kirkland injured and harrison untried at the highest level, who would replace him? i think he'll play but his mistake today and being beaten at his near post last saturday wouldn't have gone unnoticed by raffa

Skeeve · « **Reply #85 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:03:00 pm »

I doubt rafa would rush kirkland into the first team, but he is meant to be back by next week so dudek had better have a good game or it could be his last till kirkland's next injury.

wellsie82 · « **Reply #86 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:04:33 pm »

Quote from: Skeeve on August 21, 2004, 06:03:00 pm

I doubt rafa would rush kirkland into the first team, but he is meant to be back by next week so dudek had better have a good game or it could be his last till kirkland's next injury.

if that's right then dudek had better get his finger out of his arse and start to perform close to his best

competition for places is always healthy and its good we've got someone else who's quality to come in if the need arises

mikeb58 · « **Reply #87 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:07:08 pm »

Great to get a win after going behind, couldn't get a ticket today, what was Mills like. I can't stand that cheatin' fucker, with players like him in the side, it makes victory even sweeter. Once our new players are eligable to play things will get even better. What happened with their goal, according to the radio ( merseyside) Carra was as much to blame as Dudek.

Skeeve · « **Reply #88 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:09:48 pm »

Mills was a dirty bastard, but to be fair to him, he was probably less dirty than some of their players were.

Hugh · « **Reply #89 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:12:31 pm »

Quote from: Alloy on August 21, 2004, 06:07:08 pm

What happened with their goal, according to the radio ( merseyside) Carra was as much to blame as Dudek.

I saw it, he was.

miffed · « **Reply #90 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:13:42 pm »

Some random thoughts. (All I ever get these days

)

Looked up 'dodgy keeper' in the dictionary, found Dudek has replaced Taibbi. (Although he did distribute well and quickly.)

Finnan's crossing needs to improve. A lot.

Kewell should stop hitting the keeper with his crosses and corners.

Stevie G: Spectacular.

Milan: Just short of brilliant. A total dervish out there, had no probs beating 3, but could never quite handle that 4th defender. Scored one, made another, missed at least 2 and showed everyone why MO needed to go somewhere else to get 1st team football.

We played some wonderful 2nd half football against a poor City defense that went after us with hatchets.

We need cover for the 3 strikers we have, Cisse & Baros are going to get pounded.

An exhilarating match.

MC-Red · « **Reply #91 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:13:46 pm »

Quote from: capt k on August 21, 2004, 05:10:45 pm

a HUGE CHEERS tony {Pheeny} for doin comms in the chatroom, much appreciated.

souonds like there has been a new mentailty instilled in the players, when was the last time we came from behind to win?

in the league coming back after being down at the half i believe 1998

wellsie82 · « **Reply #92 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:28:35 pm »

Quote from: biff on August 21, 2004, 06:13:42 pm

Finnan's crossing needs to improve. A lot.

Kewell should stop hitting the keeper with his crosses and corners.

with nunez, alonso and garcia, id like to think the two above players days will be numbered

finnan will be replaced by one of the said spanish lads when they're fit enough, kewell may have more time but really needs to start performing if he's to keep his starting place

it's been said that raffa likes to retain possession of the ball, kewell and finnan are the main culprits for giving the ball away so much at the moment (both today and last week)

sirjames · « **Reply #93 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:35:21 pm »

we need a bigger technical area, even keegen said it, he stands all the way through the game, i like to see this as it shows passion from him!

all together-

"benitez wont sit down, till everton go down "

MC-Red · « **Reply #94 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:36:15 pm »

Quote from: cakmin on August 21, 2004, 05:02:30 pm

And you thought Spurs is easy to beat this season

at least as long as Ifil is their right back. Guess he was a match for Robert

Hugh · « **Reply #95 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:39:18 pm »

Ratings:

Dudek - Solid but for the error but Carra was at fault to, just a bad defensive mix up. 6

Josemi - Solid throughout, he really does look like the Spanish Carra, pity about the injury, hope it's not too serious. 7

Hyypia and Carra - Overall solid but Carra was at fault for the goal and the idea of pushing the defence further forward may not work with Hyypia. 7

Riise - No better than some of last seasons performances. 6.5

Finnan - Gives nothing on the right wing being honest. No dribbling, poor crossing. 6

Hamann - Usual solid Didi. 7.5

Gerrard - Quiet first half, came to life in the second. 8

Kewell - Here how it goes: Kewell gets ball on the left, crowd get excited, he runs at the defender, few skills, beats one maybe two, than gets stopped by a third or else hit a cross straight at their defence, just not happening for the lad and hasn't been for sometime. 6

Cisse - A quiet game but he came to life late on and started taking the piss out of their defence, improving by every game. 7.

Baros - Anonymous first half, Euro 2004 form in the second. 8

Subs:

Diao - Rafa looks like he'll learn the hard way that Diao isn't a defender, no accidents in this game but he is one waiting to happen. 6

Warnock - Should start against GAK to see how he does, impresses me every time he comes on - 7

Biscan - Not much time but could have done better with that chance at the end. Again he should start against GAK. 6

wellsie82 · « **Reply #96 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:42:19 pm »

Quote from: Hugh on August 21, 2004, 06:39:18 pm

Warnock - Should start against GAK to see how he does, impresses me every time he comes on - 7

Biscan - Not much time but could have done better with that chance at the end. Again he should start against GAK. 6

agree with both them comments, who do you see them coming on for?? pressumably biscan should be in the centre of midfield....

Skeeve · « **Reply #97 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:47:08 pm »

I'd play biscan instead of hamman and warnock on the left with kewell playing on the right instead of finnan.

sirjames · « **Reply #98 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:53:23 pm »

Quote from: Hugh on August 21, 2004, 06:39:18 pm

Ratings:

Subs:

Diao - Rafa looks like he'll learn the hard way that Diao isn't a defender, no accidents in this game but he is one waiting to happen. 6

who else was he going to play? josemi got injured

wellsie82 · « **Reply #99 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:59:37 pm »

Quote from: sirjames on August 21, 2004, 06:53:23 pm

who else was he going to play? josemi got injured

was unfortunate when josemi went off injured

i suppose the only other alternative was to go 3 at the back and "bolster" the midfield $:-\$

forgot if henchoz was on the bench or not?

kevinbrodie · « **Reply #100 on:** August 21, 2004, 07:03:44 pm »

People should lay off Kewell. .He had a good game. Showed Mills to much of the ball a few times but his work rate was much improved and some of passing was excellent. I think he had a good game today overall. Played in Cisse one time superbly and a good shot over the top. A solid display from him also becasue SWP was barely involved in the match

sirjames · « **Reply #101 on:** August 21, 2004, 07:09:53 pm »

Quote from: Hugh on August 21, 2004, 06:39:18 pm

Ratings:

Riise - No better than some of last seasons performances. 6.5

what did risse do that was worst then josemi? he never missed a tackle on SWP, he played it simple going forward without giving the ball away.
you gave him only 0.5 more than finnen who looked out of place and unintrested through out the game

Johan_Halle · « **Reply #102 on:** August 21, 2004, 08:10:21 pm »

Some good some bad- 1st half too much stading around and passing to static players. Second half much better movement and we created a few decent chances. Don't bother with numbers but thought:-

Gerrard and Baros showed the hunger and passion and skill, excellent.
Dudek- never tested and let in one, NOT good enough
Hyypia and Carra- better than against Spurs, but a little fresh as a partnership
Riise and Josemi - good (btw- for Norway Riise storms up the sideline and creates havoc, if Kewell could make a run in once in a while the space would be there for him to be a more credible threat)
Hamman - decent, but offers nothing going forward- need more dynamism
Kewell - some good, some absolute tosh, gives the ball away too much. Needs to run at people more at speed.
Finnan - not a right winger
Cisse - a bit anonymous, but showed some skills. Probably still settling.

Subs
Diao ok, though went for at least one oops
Warnock - exciting, start him against GAK
Biscan - more dynamic than Hamman (passing and running forward more). Start him against GAK.

Disintegration · « **Reply #103 on:** August 21, 2004, 08:30:45 pm »

So, first time since May 1999 that we've come from a half-time deficit to win a league match. Thank goodness that unsavoury statistic is out of the way now.

wellsie82 · « **Reply #104 on:** August 21, 2004, 08:56:10 pm »

Quote from: Disintegration on August 21, 2004, 08:30:45 pm

So, first time since May 1999 that we've come from a half-time deficit to win a league match. Thank goodness that unsavoury statistic is out of the way now.

never knew that!

adamski · « **Reply #105 on:** August 21, 2004, 09:10:43 pm »

Just got back from the game!

Crap first half, amazing second half.

I can't honestly remember the last time a half time team talk made a difference to the way we played but today, it was a different team that came out!

Great stuff all round. The only player I'd single out for critcism was Finnan who looks weak and unsure.

All others improved on their 1st half performances and what more can you ask for. Effort was shown.

I'm loving Josemi. Great little move in the first half where he was knocking it over the heads of the city players and running past them.

Steven Gerrard · « **Reply #106 on:** August 21, 2004, 10:08:34 pm »

about 1 1/2 hours ago, must day the first half we were poor but the second half was fantastic and we definetly deserved to win, Milan worked hard all match and deserved his goal while Cisse had a quiet game but still looked dangerous with his pace frightening the city defenders all match,Kewell had another one of those days everytime he had the ball we were urging him to run at that dirty Mills he could have had him beat on a number of occasions ,Finnan was piss poor(he skyed a good chance over as well) the sooner we get rid of him the better imo also the less said about dudek the better

it was a decent atmosphere as well and it was nice to see stephen warnock coming on he looks a decent young player that makes it 6 matches I have watched the mighty reds at Anfield and we are still unbeaten hehehehe hey wasnt it funny when big Igor came on and had that decent chance and he completely fluffed it

people around me in the kop were pissing themselves good old Igor!

Disintegration · « **Reply #107 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:00:54 am »

Quote from: wellsie82 on August 21, 2004, 08:56:10 pm

never knew that!

Oh yeah, it's been playing on my mind for about a year now - since it first came to my attention. Somehow it's felt inevitable for a while that it would be a new manager who oversaw the end of that depressing run.

Millsee · « **Reply #108 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:03:31 am »

Quote from: Hugh on August 21, 2004, 06:12:31 pm

I saw it, he was.

Don't think he was - it was a perfectly acceptable back header to Dudek.

Jerzy just missed it completely. I think JC is blameless.

Ian-TN · « **Reply #109 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:13:37 am »

Come on mate, how can he blameless when he knocks a header past the keeper? Ain't saying he should be dropped or whatever but lets say wants in front of us. A combined mistake, from lack of communication and awareness.

Millsee · « **Reply #110 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:16:00 am »

The ball was going so slowly when Dudek missed it, it can hardly be JC's fault.

Looks at his positioning - he was getting shoved by Anelka and JC ended up almost doing a back-flip to keep him away.

I can see what you're saying, but I disagree that he knocked it past Dudek.

Skeeve · « **Reply #111 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:19:36 am »

Carra didn't make it easier for dudek, but he hardly made contact with the ball and dudek should have definitely have got to it

Timbo's Goals · « **Reply #112 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:21:10 am »

Quote from: Ian-TN on August 22, 2004, 12:13:37 am

Ain't saying he should be dropped or whatever but lets say wants in front of us. A combined mistake, from lack of communication and awareness.

I was in the front row of the Anfield Road, so must have had THE worst view of it. Saw it on MOTD though and it WAS a mistake by JC. Dudek didn't have time to recover well.

Ian-TN · « **Reply #113 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:23:31 am »

The point is, no matter what yer think of Jerzy in it all. Carra's flick made his job harder. Therefore its a mistake. His was a lesser part in it, but still some of the blame is his.

Hugh · « **Reply #114 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:27:06 am »

Who should Warnock and Biscan replace against GAK?

Finnan and Hamann IMO.

Another option other than Diao would have been to send Biscan or Warnock on and move Finnan to right back.

After seeing the goal again I'm still of the opinion it was both the fault of Carra and Dudek.

Skeeve · « **Reply #115 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:30:13 am »

One thing about playing biscan and warnock (moving kewell to rm?) is that it would be a closer match to a midfield with alonso and garcia than one with hamman and finnan and could help stevie etc. get a headstart on getting used to the changes.

Ian-TN · « **Reply #116 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:32:03 am »

Quote from: Hugh on August 22, 2004, 12:27:06 am

Who should Warnock and Biscan replace against GAK?

Depends. How fit is Josemi gonna be? I don't think he should be played on tuesdee, whats the point? Stick Finnan at right back, with probably Kewell on the right and Warnock deffo on the left. Stick Igor in the middle for Didi. And maybe give Flo a start up front, dunno who with. Depends who looks the least tired.

Timbo's Goals · « **Reply #117 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:38:10 am »

Quote from: Ian-TN on August 22, 2004, 12:23:31 am

The point is, no matter what yer think of Jerzy in it all. Carra's flick made his job harder. Therefore its a mistake. His was a lesser part in it, but still some of the blame is his.

I'll give Dudek 5% blame.
That's not a criticism of JC as a player before anyone starts, but at times we have to accept that certain players "fuck up". JC did today.

Ian-TN · « **Reply #118 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:40:37 am »

Quote from: Timbo's Goals on August 22, 2004, 12:38:10 am

but at times we have to accept that certain players "fuck up". JC did today.

Spot on mate. He did, doesn't matter we won. Lets move on to tuesdee.

Skeeve · « **Reply #119 on:** August 22, 2004, 12:42:44 am »

Get away with you, carra probably made it about 5 - 10% more difficult for dudek to get the ball that was all, but like you say lets move on to tuesday. I'd like to order a nice 5-0 win please.