Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[Caps4444]

Perhaps we want someone with more experience? Not sure who is out there with the experience that we need?
Really tough.

Why would Amorim go to West Ham?

London factor?

[Legs]

I've never really thought that Alonso would be coming here, but was somehow convinced that Amorim was going to be our target. Now I'm surprised and still hope he'll be coming to us anyway.

I really hope we are not going for PL-proven manager first. RDZ was already dismissed as I remember. Him and the rest are... everybody knows.

There is Xavi still available, but last few weeks he's childish and still unable to self-reflect. Motta I've heard is promising, but even more inexperienced than the others? Slot is like worse ETH if I am not mistaken.

I think you are not likely to be happy with who we get then 😂

I mean PL wise it can only be Thomas Frank but it could be anyone from another league.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Why are you bringing Chelsea into it? You said yourself they are a basket-case of a club so expecting anyone to do anything half decent is unrealistic at this stage.  He works well with young players, and can develop teams. I think with a better squad (like the one we have), he would do a lot better. I'm not saying they will even choose him I just hate the garbage on here where someone just claims someone is shite because they don't want him as manager. I don't really see what's so much better about Thomas Frank to be honest.

Taking Chelsea out of it then he got a shit team to 9th, finishing 15th and 16th the years before. De Zerbi improved on that instantly. He played attacking football but for all his time could not score goals, was one of the worst at it.

He played nice football and liked playing kids but he hardly set the world on fire.

Could he do better with a good squad like our, who knows. Maybe he can't manage big clubs, deer in headlights kind of way. He hasn't done much to prove he is worthy of the chance though, far from it.

[jillcwhomever]

Agreed. I like the man, I like the way he managed up to and including Brighton and how he's gone about his career. * Of course there was Chelsea, but that entity is like poison to anyone who comes in contact with it. Loving the fumbling around here.

I agree. It's because  he's English and people like to think most English managers are overrated. This is why every foreign manager will be hyped and hyped, but the truth is a lot of these managers we know little about, never mind whether they are good enough to take us forward. After Klopp, it's not going to be easy to choose anyone.
 

[bornandbRED]

Edwards was part of the team who pushed for Klopp to manage here.

I mean - it was hardly rocket science. He was the clear choice for any club at the time.

He’s been at the club since 2011, with 0 credentials until Klopp landed in 2015. Now he has the keys - let’s see. It’s always a bit concerning when people start hiring their mates, though.

[danm77]

I mean he’s the one who broke the news of Amorim flying to London to meet West Ham which turnt out to  be true  so he knows something.

He didn’t, that was Sepulveda.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

David Ornstein @David_Ornstein
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Jan 30
🚨 Michael Edwards has turned down chance to rejoin Liverpool. Mike Gordon called last weekend to float idea of taking senior role at club or FSG, overseeing #LFC rebuild. But Edwards made clear he will not be coming back @TheAthleticFC aft @FabrizioRomano https://theathletic.com/5238508/2024/01/30/liverpool-michael-edwards-sporting-director-next/

 

I mean, he didn't come back to us he joined FSG. They had a whole flirting in the press over this.

[jillcwhomever]

Taking Chelsea out of it then he got a shit team to 9th, finishing 15th and 16th the years before. De Zerbi improved on that instantly. He played attacking football but for all his time could not score goals, was one of the worst at it.

He played nice football and liked playing kids but he hardly set the world on fire.

Could he do better with a good squad like our, who knows. Maybe he can't manage big clubs, deer in headlights kind of way. He hasn't done much to prove he is worthy of the chance though, far from it.

You can say that about almost anyone, it won't stop other managers being over hyped anyway.

[stockdam]

I mean he’s the one who broke the news of Amorim flying to London to meet West Ham which turnt out to  be true  so he knows something.

Is it true though? What is the evidence that it is a fact?

[crewlove]

Ah right so when it suits your opinion things can change? Got it.

His wording was specific, he was not coming back, he got it wrong.

I don't really have a side in that fight and therefore don't care whether it suits my opinion or not. But it isn't weird that somebody would change his decision, especially as it looks like he may have received from FSG more than they initially offered. And he didn't come back to us as he will work at FSG.

Now Ornstein I think broke the news about Amorim and WHU and it looks like he is flying to London soon. You can't make it up.

[crewlove]

I think you are not likely to be happy with who we get then 😂

I mean PL wise it can only be Thomas Frank but it could be anyone from another league.

We all know it is going to be difficult and I'm really interested who'll we end up with. But likes of Frank would be too much I think.

[Thomas]

Gets my vote for a season to open up the away ladder again

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

Didn’t Amorim say last week he didn’t want any meetings, didn’t want to talk about his future anymore, wanted to focus on winning the league etc etc. then he fucking jets off to London for all to see? Really strange. Whether we want him or not, that is weird behaviour

[Stockholm Syndrome]

You can say that about almost anyone, it won't stop other managers being over hyped anyway.

You could and it's why I tended not to over hype managers, especially the ones we have been linked to in this managerial search.

But I think a lot of them have a lot more to their CV than Potter even from the pool we are currently searching in

[meady1981]

Gets my vote for a season to open up the away ladder again

You can say what you like about Roy and Brendan, but at least I could get tickets then.

[Draex]

Didn’t Amorim say last week he didn’t want any meetings, didn’t want to talk about his future anymore, wanted to focus on winning the league etc etc. then he fucking jets off to London for all to see? Really strange. Whether we want him or not, that is weird behaviour

Screams of we rejected him so he’s showing us what we coulda won,

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Is it true though? What is the evidence that it is a fact?

A photo of him boarding the actual jet and it being tracked to Stansted airport

[bornandbRED]

Didn’t Amorim say last week he didn’t want any meetings, didn’t want to talk about his future anymore, wanted to focus on winning the league etc etc. then he fucking jets off to London for all to see? Really strange. Whether we want him or not, that is weird behaviour

Especially when your team are in a title race. All around weirdness.

[meady1981]

Screams of we rejected him so he’s showing us what we coulda won,

Maybe he’ll end up being injured all next season

[stockdam]

A photo of him boarding the actual jet and it being tracked to Stansted airport

And that means he talked to West Ham?

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Especially when your team are in a title race. All around weirdness.

They won the title to be fair

[Dubred]

I know I know........but could Rafa be an option? I know he hasn't done anything of 'note' in recent years and many have written him off as a has been, but his club choices haven't helped him.

Unfinished business here perhaps, unemployed, family still in the area........could it be the left field manager perhaps?

[Dazzer23]

And that means he talked to West Ham?

It was a West Ham owned jet

[Stockholm Syndrome]

And that means he talked to West Ham?

I mean reports come out from a number of journalists that he is talking with West Ham, he is being flown over. Photos show he is being flown over. Chances are he is being flown over to meet with West Ham

Reliable people are saying that and there's photos showing it

[stockdam]

I know I know........but could Rafa be an option? I know he hasn't done anything of 'note' in recent years and many have written him off as a has been, but his club choices haven't helped him.

Unfinished business here perhaps, unemployed, family still in the area........could it be the left field manager perhaps?

Highly unlikely. You may as well just throw names in a hat and pick one. I don’t think the majority of fans would see a return of Rafa as being positive. He obviously is very well respected but I wouldn’t want to see him back.

[Garlic Red]

Ah right so when it suits your opinion things can change? Got it.

His wording was specific, he was not coming back, he got it wrong.

Liverpool’s former sporting director had rejected an approach from Mike Gordon, the president of the club’s owners Fenway Sports Group (FSG), shortly after Jurgen Klopp’s announcement on January 26 that he would step down as manager at the end of the season.

Even as recently as a fortnight ago, Edwards was insisting that the prospect of a return to the cut and thrust of club football held no appeal. He was enjoying more family time and the slower pace of life as a consultant for Ludonautics, the sports advisory business launched by Liverpool’s former director of research Ian Graham last year.

But FSG and Gordon refused to admit defeat. They set about putting together an alternative proposal which would pique Edwards’ interest. Six weeks on, Gordon had his man and Edwards had been formally unveiled as FSG’s CEO of football — a position created specifically for him.

That was  reported pretty much as fact by James Pearce.

I think it’s pretty fair to assume that Edwards - or someone incredibly close to Edwards - was briefing the media throughout that entire process. Quite why I’ve no idea but the Sloan conference was seen as pivotal for weeks. I’m not sure you can blame Ornstein for reporting what was probably very accurate at the time. He’s a proper divvy but he’s as accurate as they come outside of Joyce/Hunter etc

[johnny74]

Perhaps we want someone with more experience? Not sure who is out there with the experience that we need?
Really tough.

Why would Amorim go to West Ham?

London factor?

He'll have had informal talks with lfc and discussed transfer policies, budgets, structure etc and during those talks both sides may well have realised that there's a mismatch in what either side want. Finding this out he looks at other options eg West Ham.

It sounds like we probably rejected him rather than the other way around because West Ham doesn't seem to offer a particularly great deal.

Another alternative is that from a career perspective going in with West Ham and improving them (having watched Moyes) might seem like more of a banker for him than trying to follow Klopp's footsteps. 

[eyescream]

It was a West Ham owned jet

According to Flight radar it's owned by a Portuguese airline - Valair Private Jets.

[stockdam]

I mean reports come out from a number of journalists that he is talking with West Ham, he is being flown over. Photos show he is being flown over. Chances are he is being flown over to meet with West Ham

Reliable people are saying that and there's photos showing it

So it’s speculation and not a fact. As far as I am concerned, these journalists are grasping at straws and have no firm evidence.

[smutchin]

Bit wary of giving Edwards too much power. His role in our success may be overstated by some.

So far it’s been a jobs for the mates fest, hoping that doesn’t continue with the managerial appointment, or I can see things going wayward very quickly.

We’re not actually going to appoint a new manager. Instead, we’ll give the job to the incredible new AI bot that Edwards has been working on in his secret nerd bunker for the last two years. You can’t argue with the algorithms.

[jillcwhomever]

So it’s speculation and not a fact. As far as I am concerned, these journalists are grasping at straws and have no firm evidence.

There is no firm evidence he's coming here either.

[robertobaggio37]

Motta is tactically very interesting but I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the job with his level of experience.

One thing I will say on Frank, as someone who watches a lot of the football league, he turned Ivan Toney from a strong but blunt and basic poacher into one of the best penalty box strikers in Europe. Toney has superb awareness, great feet in tight spaces, is an excellent decision maker and improved his range of finishing massively.

I don’t love Frank as an appointment because of his lack of higher level experience, but if you look at him as a case study of elevating individual player’s beyond their perceived ceiling, he’s quite excellent at it. Jensen, Norgaard, Mee, Toney, Mbeumo, Benrahma, Watkins, Pinnock etc all played the best football of their careers under Frank OR he helped elevate them to a higher level and bigger club.

Good points mate. I'm repeating myself but I really believe it will be either him or Xavi.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

So it’s speculation and not a fact. As far as I am concerned, these journalists are grasping at straws and have no firm evidence.

If you want to go down that route you can't reliably say we are interested in any manager named nor ruled out any manager, and you don't know what's happening at all.

You can say Amorim took a flight to London too

Despite these journalists getting pretty much every news story about us over the last few years correct, they are reliable sources. If you don't wish to believe them then don't believe anything reported and just think whatever you want may happen.

But they reported what he is doing tonight and he is in fact doing what they reported he would do, so chances are he is doing it to meet with West Ham as they reported.

[bornandbRED]

We’re not actually going to appoint a new manager. Instead, we’ll give the job to the incredible new AI bot that Edwards has been working on in his secret nerd bunker for the last two years. You can’t argue with the algorithms.

It’s all a bit mega brain… but let’s see who they come out with I guess.

I’m of the school of thought that the manager is responsible for 90% of the club’s success (apart from players). Everyone else is just backroom staff. And so the prospect of a ‘head coach’ who will be subordinate to Edwards and co is a bit frightening - if we do take that route.

[OkieRedman]

It would be madness to appointment someone who has never won a title, right? 

[stockdam]

There is no firm evidence he's coming here either.

That’s true and I said above that journalists don’t know.

In fact here’s another bit of speculation:

“Sepulveda claims Amorim is also set to meet Liverpool for talks while he is in London.”

From his Twitter….

“Rúben Amorim is in a private flight right now on his way to London! Meeting with @LFC and @WestHam is scheduled.”

https://twitter.com/pedromsepulveda/status/1782439445829992883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1782440549225464288%7Ctwgr%5Ed81401339adb04827b833a3fa2599574dc78a59f%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fanfieldwatch.co.uk%2Fruben-amorim-flies-to-london-for-talks-over-premier-league-move%2F

So according to the source that claimed he was flying to London, Omorim, is also talking to us……..allegedly.

The story changes by the hour.

Who knows what is going on.

[Funkster]

It would be madness to appointment someone who has never won a title, right? 

They have, as a player…

[meady1981]

Haha I’m thinking back to the time when people were saying we shouldn’t go for Alonso because he hasn’t won anything, and now people keep saying the word Potter. What a ride.

[Legs]

Haha I’m thinking back to the time when people were saying we shouldn’t go for Alonso because he hasn’t won anything, and now people keep saying the word Potter. What a ride.

Potter is a no he is a fit for West Ham.

Mind give Moyes his due he has done a good job at West Ham to be fair.

[newterp]

It was a West Ham owned jet

dildo shaped jet was the clear giveaway