Topic: 7he Manches7er Uni7ed 7hread - NO GREENWOOD/ANTONY*

[Suareznumber7]

They'll look at De Zerbi. He'd be a great manager but not at Utd or Chelsea where the clubs themselves seem utterly toxic.

Honestly, would be quite happy to have him take over for us once Jurgen leaves.

[Buck Pete]

If I was a Utd fan I'd be getting increasingly embarrassed with Gary Neville now.  Seriously.

Every time a result goes against them, he blames the Glaziers.

In what way yesterday was any of that the owner's fault?

[Mister Flip Flop]

It's so weird watching united fan cams, every time they concede they immediately seem to call offside or foul when there was absolutely no hint of it, and every decision that goes against them is an injustice. I know all fans are biased to some extent but for them everything is against them when in reality so much goes their way.

I think with United it's the fact they get so much refereeing and VAR decisions go their way when it doesn't it's such a shock to the fans it's an outrage.

[Mister Flip Flop]

If I was a Utd fan I'd be getting increasingly embarrassed with Gary Neville now.  Seriously.

Every time a result goes against them, he blames the Glaziers.

In what way yesterday was any of that the owner's fault?

The Glazers have poured money into the squad, think i read recently they've a bigger net spend than any other club in the world over the last 15 years. Neville is an utter fool and won't be happy until that sportwashing money comes into the club.

[Statto Red]

The Glazers have poured money into the squad, think i read recently they've a bigger net spend than any other club in the world over the last 15 years. Neville is an utter fool and won't be happy until that sportwashing money comes into the club.

The Glazers haven't poured any money into the squad, United spend what they earn, but they've spent it poorly.

Every player United sign is well over hyped to fuck, great things are expected from them straight away, then they wonder why more times than not they end up expensive flops.

[Terry de Niro]

The Glazers haven't poured any money into the squad, United spend what they earn, but they've spent it poorly.

Every player United sign is well over hyped to fuck, great things are expected from them straight away, then they wonder why more times than not they end up expensive flops.

So, by that logic, if they do get sportswashed, they'll spend over a trillion pounds on absolute dross and Che Neville will definitely incite another riot at OT..

[Slippers]

If I was a Utd fan I'd be getting increasingly embarrassed with Gary Neville now.  Seriously.

Every time a result goes against them, he blames the Glaziers.

In what way yesterday was any of that the owner's fault?

Is he on hunger strike?

[Ghost Town]

The Glazers haven't poured any money into the squad, United spend what they earn, but they've spent it poorly.

It's a pretty meaningless distinction though, especially when the club spends that much. 'Their own money' doesn't look or behave any differently, not does it allow them to buy better players or make better decisions.

[The North Bank]

Trying to be objective (and it’s very difficult for me when it comes to United!), and ignoring what decisions went their way in the previous games. And also keeping in mind Arsenal looked by far the better team…

If we had lost in that way I’d be angry with everyone and everything so I can understand a few outlandish comments on this occasion. I don’t think they were robbed in any way but to go from thinking you’d scored a late winner to suddenly losing is pretty galling for anyone - and incredibly funny when it happens to them.

Arsenal penalty - I thought in real time it was a penalty, then the more I saw it the more I thought it wasn’t. Agree with the comments that they barely ever get overturned but I don’t like the whole clear and obvious wording and in isolation I don’t have a problem with it not being a penalty.

Offside goal - was tight and again, was probably more surprise about it going against United than it actually being given.

Hojlund penalty shout - not for me Clive. Fine line between the defender using his body/Strength to just wrestling someone to the ground and it was quite close to being the latter but you’re not really going to see those given too often.

Possible foul in the Rice goal - Gabriel did block Evans off a bit which probably my did stop him charging Rice down. Again, would have been soft but it’s the sort of decision United sometimes get.

All in all, don’t think there were any howlers in there, but a cumulative number, and the timing that left them feeling a bit aggrieved. And all the funnier because of it.

I agree with all these points, fucking hilarious though, the way they are melting down.

Just waiting for someone to tell them that small clubs never get those 50-50s 

[Barneylfc∗]

Had £2.50 sitting in bet credits so lumped it on one of those special offer bet builders - both teams to get 2 or more cards, Odegaard to have 1.5 or more shots on target (never understand that one - why not just say 2?), and more than 3 goals in the game - 9-1.
Very satisfying match all round

Depends who you bet with. A few sites say over 1.5, others say at least 2, others say 2 or more.

There are many many people out there that don't understand what 'at least 2' or '2 or more' means, despite it being blatantly clear what it means.

[tubby]

The Glazer are awful owners, I don't think there's any doubt about that.  But at the same time, they've 100% backed their managers with huge wages and transfers.  It's two different arguments, and Neville trying to tie the two together is ridiculous.

[TheShanklyGates]

Kuyt was a technically limited but effective player. Anthony is a showboating pony who's utterly ineffective. It's an absurd comparison.

Sancho is a funny one because I was massively on the Sancho train back when he was in Germany and I still think he'd come good at a different club. He'd probably be good for Guardiola and Klopp. Is he a bit slow though? That's my doubt about him these days, aside from the mental side.

Well he did choose to sign for Man United...

[clinical]

The Glazers haven't poured any money into the squad, United spend what they earn, but they've spent it poorly.

Every player United sign is well over hyped to fuck, great things are expected from them straight away, then they wonder why more times than not they end up expensive flops.

Part of their problem is they massively overhype their players but especially when they are going to sign them. It then puts massive pressure on the club to get it done. They end up paying huge fees and wages to get them over the line.

[jepovic]

It's hard to imagine two more dissimilar right wingers than Anthony and Kuyt

[Ghost Town]

Well he did choose to sign for Man United...

Love how words can do this

[the_red_pill]

They'll look at De Zerbi. He'd be a great manager but not at Utd or Chelsea where the clubs themselves seem utterly toxic.

If United, don't sort out the DoF/SD side of their club and the structure to support the results on the pitch, they're going to continue to struggle to adapt to the modern game.
At Chelsea, Boehly is the SD/DoF and the boss.

At United, supporters dictate who gets bought and who calls the shots. "Marketing" runs that club, and has done since Ferguson retired.

It's madness.

[Ghost Town]

If United, don't sort out the DoF/SD side of their club and the structure to support the pitch, they're going to continue to struggle to adapt to the modern game.
At Chelsea, Boehly is the SD/DoF and the boss.

At United, supporters dictate who gets bought and who calls the shots.

It's madness.

Do they have an equivalent of the Bullens Wall?

[the_red_pill]

Honestly, would be quite happy to have him take over for us once Jurgen leaves.

I would go for De Zerbi or Postecoglu(provided he continues to do well at Spurs of course). I don't even think Postecoglu would ever consider going to United, because of his love for LFC.

But feckit- we've got Jurgen Klopp! Who knows- he might just decide to extend again if things go well.

[rob1966]

If United, don't sort out the DoF/SD side of their club and the structure to support the results on the pitch, they're going to continue to struggle to adapt to the modern game.
At Chelsea, Boehly is the SD/DoF and the boss.

At United, supporters dictate who gets bought and who calls the shots. "Marketing" runs that club, and has done since Ferguson retired.

It's madness.

Which bit, Utd's way or the fact that Boehly is DOF?

[RedSince86]

Kuyt was awesome, an absolute unselfish workhorse who had a knack for scoring clutch goals, loved Dirk and I bet Klopp would as well, ultimate team player.

Antony is utter shite, all that money for an attacking player who's garbage in the final 3rd, even his numbers in the porous Dutch league where if you're an attacker for the dominant Ajax you can put up decent numbers, his numbers were still shite there.

No other club were in for him, Ajax must have been laughing just watching United bid against themselves increasing the bid and then pay that astounding fee, they must have been some high fives between Overmars and Van Der Sar when a fee was finally agreed.

[the_red_pill]

Which bit, Utd's way or the fact that Boehly is DOF?

Do you even have to ask, Rob?

[Terry de Niro]

I would go for De Zerbi or Postecoglu(provided he continues to do well at Spurs of course). I don't even think Postecoglu would ever go there, because of his love for LFC.

But feckit- we've got Jurgen Klopp! Who knows- he might just decide to extend again if things go well.

Didn't know that, but just read up on it.
Like him even more now.

[Original]

Shower of utter c*nts

[Mister Flip Flop]

Kuyt shouldn't even be in the same conversation as Anthony ffs. Kuyt would run through walls for the team and was as strong as a bull. Defenders hated coming up against him as they'd know it was going to be a slog for 90 minutes plus.

[the_red_pill]

Didn't know that, but just read up on it.
Like him even more now.

Feast your eyes, Terry:

“

'I grew up supporting Liverpool. I'm a manager because of them': New Spurs boss Postecoglou

More on Tribuna.com:
https://tribuna.com/en/news/liverpoolfc-2023-06-06-i-grew-up-supporting-liverpool-im-a-manager-because-of-them-new-spurs-boss-postecoglou/?utm_source=copy

I have been a Liverpool fan almost my whole life. I don't quite remember the 1971 FA Cup final, which we lost to Arsenal, but I began to support them shortly after,” Postecoglou said, as relayed by the Liverpool Echo.

“Players like Kevin Keegan and then Kenny Dalglish became my heroes, and I read the stories about Bill Shankly and loved the culture, what they represented and the way they played the game.

“I grew up supporting Liverpool - the reason I'm a manager today is because of the club. I grew up with those stories of Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and the boot room, Ronnie Moran, Joe Fagan, Roy Evans, all those guys. That kind of philosophy has stayed with me.

“They were playing possession-based football before it was trendy in the world. From my perspective, that whole experience will be a thrill, backing up from hopefully knocking off Manchester United a few days earlier! It would be a dream week for me."

More on Tribuna.com:
https://tribuna.com/en/news/liverpoolfc-2023-06-06-i-grew-up-supporting-liverpool-im-a-manager-because-of-them-new-spurs-boss-postecoglou/?utm_source=copy

[Ghost Town]

It's pointless trying to identify replacements for Klopp now. A month is a long time in football, let alone several seasons. Managers who seem to be doing well today might be busted flushes in a few years' time; meanwhile other managers will have appeared by then who may be much more suitable and appropriate on the day.

You can only really look at who is around at around about the time when the appointment needs to be made and pick the best possible at that time. Otherwise you end up like Levy appointing Mourinho because he had once wanted him badly, years before during his pomp, and failed to see that he was no longer that manager.

(a lot of potential pronoun confusion there but I think you get what I mean)

Anyway Klopp's gonna extend his contract...

[the_red_pill]

It's pointless trying to identify replacements for Klopp now. A month is a long time in football, let alone several seasons. Managers who seem to be doing well today might be busted flushes in a few years' time; meanwhile other managers will have appeared by then who may be much more suitable and appropriate on the day.

You can only really look at who is around at around about the time when the appointment needs to be made and pick the best possible at that time. Otherwise you end up like Levy appointing Mourinho because he had once wanted him badly, years before during his pomp, and failed to see that he was no longer that manager.

(a lot of potential pronoun confusion there but I think you get what I mean)

Anyway Klopp's gonna extend his contract...

Would be the 2nd greatest signing in the Klopp era!(after his first extension)

[Bobinhood]

I for one heartily applaud the bold and courageous decision to play a gash goalie for his dribbling skills and make up the difference by placing the highly experienced and unflappable Slabbie and Evans in front of him and then top it all off by protecting them all with the Legendary Casimero with 80 mins in his legs.

Incisive, courageous, brilliant. You gotta dance with the ones that brung ya. I only hope 7h can find the inner strength to persist with it in the face of whats sure to be some short sighted knee jerk fan reactions just because they got very unlucky and shipped 2 goals and lost the game nearly immediately. Look at the performance!

7's the man for the job hes not easily swayed by reality unwarranted criticism of his bestest players forever.

[Terry de Niro]

Feast your eyes, Terry:

Love it. 

[MonsLibpool]

I for one heartily applaud the bold and courageous decision to play a gash goalie for his dribbling skills and make up the difference by placing the highly experienced and unflappable Slabbie and Evans in front of him and then top it all off by protecting them all with the Legendary Casimero with 80 mins in his legs.

Incisive, courageous, brilliant. You gotta dance with the ones that brung ya. I only hope 7h can find the inner strength to persist with it in the face of whats sure to be some short sighted knee jerk fan reactions just because they got very unlucky and shipped 2 goals and lost the game nearly immediately. Look at the performance!

7's the man for the job hes not easily swayed by reality unwarranted criticism of his bestest players forever.

Schmeichel reckons he should have saved Rice's deflected shot.

[Barneylfc∗]

Schmeichel reckons he should have saved Rice's deflected shot.

He probably should.
Haven't watched too many replays of it, but he seemed to get a hand to it. A strong hand would maybe have kept it out.

[GoldenGloves25]

If I was a Utd fan I'd be getting increasingly embarrassed with Gary Neville now.  Seriously.

Every time a result goes against them, he blames the Glaziers.

In what way yesterday was any of that the owner's fault?

Exactly, it not the Glaziers fault they can't defend for shit.

[rossipersempre]

At this rate, even the prospect of a season or two incarcerated in a Greek jail must seem appealing to Maguire.

[stoopid yank]

So Antony also in trouble now with the law?

[Bobinhood]

He probably should.
Haven't watched too many replays of it, but he seemed to get a hand to it. A strong hand would maybe have kept it out.

Was more of a rubbery type of hand. Seemed to get to it just fine and yet have no effect on the shot whatsoever. Fairly impressive in its own way, wouldn't imagine that's easy to do.

Rossi you just made me lol that tickled my funny bone   

[the_red_pill]

So Antony also in trouble now with the law?

Assault ... again... 
Why am I not surprised?

What is it with this bag and assault of all kinds? This time.. "Domestic Assault".

EDIT: Time to lock the thread again?

[rob1966]

Schmeichel reckons he should have saved Rice's deflected shot.

I would have saved that. His positioning was awful, there was only one place where Rice could aim so just get yourself between the post and where the defenders are and even with a deflection, its not going in.

[rob1966]

Assault ... again... 
Why am I not surprised?

What is it with this bag and assault of all kinds? This time.. "Domestic Assault".

EDIT: Time to lock the thread again?

No, just don't mention/discuss it. Plenty about the Mancs to take the piss out of until the next league game.

[Chakan]

I would have saved that. His positioning was awful, there was only one place where Rice could aim so just get yourself between the post and where the defenders are and even with a deflection, its not going in.

Allison saves that 100% of the time.

[rob1966]

Allison saves that 100% of the time.

Most keepers would, its all about positioning (which obviously excludes Pickford )