Topic: Pay Awards

[Wabaloolah]

Not sure if there is a topic already on this but couldn't see one


Unions have agreed a pay award for Local Government staff, a flat rate of £1925 for all staff, £2229 for lower paid staff in London and it is backdated to April


It equates to 10.5% to the lowest paid and 4% to the highest


https://www.lgcplus.com/politics/workforce/unions-agree-national-employers-pay-offer-02-11-2022/

[Barneylfc∗]

We'll get 1% in the NICS with ministers telling us there are no funds, yet they'll still claim expenses for getting their 2nd home redecorated and their dog's hair cut.

[thaddeus]

Not sure if there is a topic already on this but couldn't see one


Unions have agreed a pay award for Local Government staff, a flat rate of £1925 for all staff, £2229 for lower paid staff in London and it is backdated to April


It equates to 10.5% to the lowest paid and 4% to the highest


https://www.lgcplus.com/politics/workforce/unions-agree-national-employers-pay-offer-02-11-2022/

I think the flat rate is a good idea.  For as long as I can remember the pay awards were always a percentage which meant the gap between the lowest and highest paid just got wider.  Where I worked they gradually removed the lowest pay grades as 1% rises weren't keeping up with the minimum wage (the lowest pay grade now is a grade 5).

The statement (not yours - I see it's in the linked article) that it equates to 4% for the highest paid is evidently wrong.  For £1,925 to equate to a 4% rise would mean the highest paid employees in local government earn just under £50k/year.  Local government pay has slipped but in the council I used to work at the Chief Exec was paid around £150k/year and the departmental directors around £100k/year.

It's the most generous pay award for a very long time but should still be noted that it's inflation tracking for the lowest paid but another real-terms pay cut for the majority of staff on the back of over a decade of real-terms pay cuts.

The article doesn't say if the pay award is funded by central government so probably safe to assume it's not.

[Wabaloolah]

I think the flat rate is a good idea.  For as long as I can remember the pay awards were always a percentage which meant the gap between the lowest and highest paid just got wider.  Where I worked they gradually removed the lowest pay grades as 1% rises weren't keeping up with the minimum wage (the lowest pay grade now is a grade 5).

The statement (not yours - I see it's in the linked article) that it equates to 4% for the highest paid is evidently wrong.  For £1,925 to equate to a 4% rise would mean the highest paid employees in local government earn just under £50k/year.  Local government pay has slipped but in the council I used to work at the Chief Exec was paid around £150k/year and the departmental directors around £100k/year.

It's the most generous pay award for a very long time but should still be noted that it's inflation tracking for the lowest paid but another real-terms pay cut for the majority of staff on the back of over a decade of real-terms pay cuts.

The article doesn't say if the pay award is funded by central government so probably safe to assume it's not.

yes I think the 4% applies to those on the NJC scale which maxes out around £47k, point 46. Some LAs go up and this also excludes Chief Officers I believe

[Rawkybalboa]

I presume this doesnt apply to Civil Service. We got the PCS Union who are pushing for 10% and will be lucky to get 1%. They balloting for a strike.

[thaddeus]

yes I think the 4% applies to those on the NJC scale which maxes out around £47k, point 46. Some LAs go up and this also excludes Chief Officers I believe

That makes sense, thanks.  I've just looked at the statement from the council where I used to work and all employees are seemingly receiving the rise but it does seem the 4% only applied to the NJC scales.

[Circa1892]

I presume this doesnt apply to Civil Service. We got the PCS Union who are pushing for 10% and will be lucky to get 1%. They balloting for a strike.

We got 3% in my department a few months back. (Obviously 3% means a lot more at some levels than others...)

[Wabaloolah]

I presume this doesnt apply to Civil Service. We got the PCS Union who are pushing for 10% and will be lucky to get 1%. They balloting for a strike.

yes this one is just for staff who work for local councils, police admin staff etc.


Civil Servants are part of a different set of negotiations

[Rawkybalboa]

We had a 10 year pay freeze and now talk of a further cap for 2 years. 
Anything less than 7% means we been getting pay cuts every year. With the way inflation etc is going. We screwed. If they offer redundancy I bite their arm off.

[Wabaloolah]

We had a 10 year pay freeze and now talk of a further cap for 2 years. 
Anything less than 7% means we been getting pay cuts every year. With the way inflation etc is going. We screwed. If they offer redundancy I bite their arm off.

no doubt there are Civil Servants and local government workers who think it's a good idea to vote Tory.  I've said it before but anyone who is in any form of public service role would have to be an absolute mug to vote for them but they do in bucket loads. It really is bizarre

[Rawkybalboa]

Agree 100%. Theres mugs here who vote tory for some stupid reason every time even though they take the biscuit.

[west_london_red]

I presume this doesnt apply to Civil Service. We got the PCS Union who are pushing for 10% and will be lucky to get 1%. They balloting for a strike.

My Mrs has been offered 3% and they are balloting soon I think.

[gazzalfc]

We've just agreed 5.5% (backpaid from April) plus £1000 one off cost of living payment. Private sector employment

All negotiated through our unions collective bargaining agreement. Our first offer was 1.3%. We got to the last stage of Failure to Agree before we got that offer.

Our pay request is linked to RPI inflation which currently stands at 14.1%. That will be the opening pay request going into 2023

Join a union. Vote in passionate union representatives and be patient.

[killer-heels]

no doubt there are Civil Servants and local government workers who think it's a good idea to vote Tory.  I've said it before but anyone who is in any form of public service role would have to be an absolute mug to vote for them but they do in bucket loads. It really is bizarre

Yep, then they go on TV and cry about it.

[Graeme]

I work in Local Government so the NJC pay award applies to me.

1.75% last year and the £1925 flat rate this year. Massive paycut in real terms. Unions did a ballot in September/October but for the lowest grades of staff it represented a reasonable pay award, and for everyone else by the time October came they were sitting on too much backpay that people needed so members overall voted narrowly to accept.

[Wabaloolah]

Another flat rate increase for those earning below £50k

BT - £1500

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63785421.amp

[Barneylfc∗]

Just received our final offer.

Pay "increase" of £552 gross.

Hopefully we start setting fire to things pretty soon.

[Wabaloolah]

Just received our final offer.

Pay "increase" of £552 gross.

Hopefully we start setting fire to things pretty soon.

Civil Service?

[Barneylfc∗]

Civil Service?

Yeah mate, NICS. A few months ago we were told what the offer would have been had there been a sitting executive. It was about 3 times more than this shit. They're as corrupt here as they are in GB

[TepidT2O]

Sorry to hear that Barney…that’s shit.

[Barneylfc∗]

It's grim alright but not unexpected. There's loads in a worse off position than me. I've a rainy day fund (thanks to Paddy Power and SkyBet the last couple of years  ) and work all the overtime possible. A lot of people I know have fuck all to bail them out and can't work any extra hours.

Striking is inevitable, but hopefully it's sustained rather than just 1 or 2 days spread over 2 or 3 months. We get no subsidy at all for strike days, so losing a few days pay will be huge for some, and I've no doubt management will pull the overtime in the months we are out to further put the pressure on people to scab.

[Rawkybalboa]

Civil service here we got PCS union. Different departments are on strike. No news yet of any talks. Reckon nobody gives a monkeys about Ministry of Justice (courts etc). Nurses etc will probably get a half decent deal. MOJ will be left for staff to quit so they dont have to pay redundancies.

[pazcom]

Civil service here we got PCS union. Different departments are on strike. No news yet of any talks. Reckon nobody gives a monkeys about Ministry of Justice (courts etc). Nurses etc will probably get a half decent deal. MOJ will be left for staff to quit so they dont have to pay redundancies.

They would if Prison Officers went on strike.

[KillieRed]

My union (unison) agreed to take 5% (Scottish local government) and an extra day of annual leave. The expectation is that inflation will fall but still a real terms pay cut for a sector that’s had minimal increases since austerity was introduced. A cash lump sum just before Christmas was eagerly accepted by the majority.

[TepidT2O]

NASUWT vote 88.5% in favour of strike action.. but fail to hit 50% turnout ….

[Jiminy Cricket]

NASUWT vote 88.5% in favour of strike action.. but fail to hit 50% turnout ….

So. Why did so few (42%) of NASUWT teachers vote?

[Rawkybalboa]

I reckon they get people to sign up an infiltrate the union. People sign up before a ballot and dont vote. Reckon we had same with HMCTS only 46% voted and of them 89% said strike.

[John C]

NASUWT vote 88.5% in favour of strike action.. but fail to hit 50% turnout ….

I must admit I found that a bit worrying. I'm certain 50% of the other 58% (I think 42% voted?) are fully in favour of industrial action but either due to laziness, forgetfulness or apathy they failed to vote.

[west_london_red]

They have made their final pay offer at ours, 4% for 22-23 (backdated to 1st April), and then 4.4% for 23-24, and a one off £500 payment for the lowest paid.

The union members ballot on accepting the offer closed yesterday so should find out soon.

[TepidT2O]

They have made their final pay offer at ours, 4% for 22-23 (backdated to 1st April), and then 4.4% for 23-24, and a one off £500 payment for the lowest paid.

The union members ballot on accepting the offer closed yesterday so should find out soon.

Better than some, worse than others… but still way way below inflation

[west_london_red]

Better than some, worse than others… but still way way below inflation

Yeah, I can’t see us getting anything much better to be honest and in all honesty it’s getting to the point that it’s been so long since the last pay rise (April 2020) people are struggling now and will take whatever they can get rather then months of more negotiating.

[TepidT2O]

Yeah, I can’t see us getting anything much better to be honest and in all honesty it’s getting to the point that it’s been so long since the last pay rise (April 2020) people are struggling now and will take whatever they can get rather then months of more negotiating.

Depressing …. really is

[stewil007]

Yeah, I can’t see us getting anything much better to be honest and in all honesty it’s getting to the point that it’s been so long since the last pay rise (April 2020) people are struggling now and will take whatever they can get rather then months of more negotiating.

Isn't that what those in power want?  Drag it out for as long as possible that people get desperate and will take an offer that is well below that what the company can afford?  Lets be honest, this doesn't affect those at the top making the decisions.

[west_london_red]

Isn't that what those in power want?  Drag it out for as long as possible that people get desperate and will take an offer that is well below that what the company can afford?  Lets be honest, this doesn't affect those at the top making the decisions.

Of course its what they want, they do always back date the deals but that doesn’t help people in immediate financial trouble and making ends meet.