Topic: The People's Club (I was saying Boo-urns)

[Barneylfc∗]

would you take these going down in exchange for us missing out on top four?

tempted to say yes yknow

No.

[Dr. Beaker]

Going down would be good for Everton, both as a club and for their general mental health, because they could then concentrate on themselves and what is best for their interests.

[A-Bomb]

There is an argument that keeping them in the Premier League is more painful - as we watch their eternal struggle of just about keeping their noses above water - whilst their little brother across the park keep picking up those tin pots 

[Chakan]

would you take these going down in exchange for us missing out on top four?

tempted to say yes yknow

Fuck them, they're irrelevant, it would be hilarious if they went down, but not at the expense of us.

[Ziltoid]

Like clockwork, a blue at work is trying to float a conspiracy about Tsimikas “saying something” to Onana.

Sky Comms seemed to be insinuating that as well, absolute c*nts

[kavah]

The road less taken to Rhyl?

Two roads diverged in a wood (en stadium) 

[Ray K]

would you take these going down in exchange for us missing out on top four?

tempted to say yes yknow

A more realistic scenario is us needing to win to clinch a Europa League spot and them staying up, or us losing and having a Europa Conference League spot and them going down.

God, that might have been the darkest sentence I've ever written here.

[tubby]

I agree that going down would actually be way better for them in the long run.  Get a proper reset and shake things up.  Burnley are a good example of this, playing football that's miles away from what they served up in the PL.

If Dyche keeps them up, they're stuck with him for another couple of years, fighting relegation and not going anywhere.

[Statto Red]

 I don't think they're coming back up anytime soon, if these get relegated, it took Villa 4 years to get back up after they were relegated in 2016, & these are in a far worse state than Villa were in, then add in the finances on the stadium, which will dent them in even further.

[Black Bull Nova]

Tempting though it is, no.

Our interests ALWAYS must come first. Otherwise we're as small-minded as those pricks.

Exactly, the only real factor is it in our clubs (and our players health) interests not to have a derby, everything else is just social

[Alisson Wonderland]

I agree that going down would actually be way better for them in the long run.  Get a proper reset and shake things up.  Burnley are a good example of this, playing football that's miles away from what they served up in the PL.

If Dyche keeps them up, they're stuck with him for another couple of years six months until they sack him, fighting relegation and not going anywhere.

Fixed that for you

[Red Beret]

Going down would be good for Everton, both as a club and for their general mental health, because they could then concentrate on themselves and what is best for their interests.

It's not going to be good for Everton as they're in debt up to the Mersey High tide mark.

[Dr. Beaker]

It's not going to be good for Everton as they're in debt up to the Mersey High tide mark.

Well they are fucked then.

[Schmidt]

Yeah aren't Everton's wages like 95% of turnover? Between that and their loans against future TV revenue, if they go down they're fucked.

[Hazell]

Yeah aren't Everton's wages like 95% of turnover? Between that and their loans against future TV revenue, if they go down they're fucked.

Makes sense.

[rossipersempre]

They go down and BMD becomes the new Nou Mestalla.

[Ghost Town]

They go down and BMD becomes the new Nou Mestalla.

Given what's next door, I would say the Poo Mestalla

[Red Beret]

Portaboooo

[rafathegaffa83]

We need a break from them, let them calm down.

The more I think about it, I'm less convinced that relegation provides a mental reset in terms of expectations, particularly as BMD lurks in the background.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Who would be the local (ish) rivals for them to hate when they're relegated?, Blackburn?, Preston?

[Dim Glas]

Who would be the local (ish) rivals for them to hate when they're relegated?, Blackburn?, Preston?

give it a couple more years, and it can be Wrexham 

[Mighty_Red]

Even though its only 3 pts on Saturday a defeat to Leeds would probably have them at panic stations at the thought of being adrift. Don't think they would react at all well.

Leeds have a problem with sticking thr ball in the net, but Everton have a problem with creating as well as sscoring so possibly a drab 0-0.

[Nobby Reserve]

They go down and BMD becomes the new Nou Mestalla.

From the Wiki article on the Nou Mestalla:

"The design features a futuristic exterior, clad in aluminium and an interior of wood."

That'd be very Everton

[JRed]

Tempting though it is, no.

Our interests ALWAYS must come first. Otherwise we're as small-minded as those pricks.

How about we need a point for top 4 and Southampton need a point to stay up at Everton’s expense? 0-0 draw it is then 

[Bill Shepherd]

How about we need a point for top 4 and Southampton need a point to stay up at Everton’s expense? 0-0 draw it is then 

Now that's how you do winning without winning! 

[Red Beret]

The more I think about it, I'm less convinced that relegation provides a mental reset in terms of expectations, particularly as BMD lurks in the background.

I dunno. Having their club liquidated and being forced to start again from scratch in non league football seems a perfect mental reset for them to me.

[4pool]

Yeah aren't Everton's wages like 95% of turnover? Between that and their loans against future TV revenue, if they go down they're fucked.

Everton’s total wage to turnover ratio increased from 89 per cent in 2019-20 to 95 per cent for 2021. “This figure has been artificially inflated by the loss of revenue because of the COVID-19 pandemic disruption and increased player costs from the 2019-20 season being completed in July 2020,” the club said.


So, nothing to see here, they're good when they get it back to 89%.   

[Flaccido Dongingo]

They'll have their parachute payments to tide them over, and I don't see them losing any players, as they're all Championship standard already.

[TepidT2O]

They'll have their parachute payments to tide them over, and I don't see them losing any players, as they're all Championship standard already.

Pickford will go.  He’s got one year left in the summer…. And the new deal hasn’t been signed…. He will go whatever happens
After that, who have they got left of any value? Onana?  He’s not added to his value….

They’ve few assets left to sell now

[Statto Red]

Who would be the local (ish) rivals for them to hate when they're relegated?, Blackburn?, Preston?

These away at Preston will be hilarious, wait for the fewm when they find out the away end at Deepdale is called The Bill Shankly stand, & Preston have an image of Shanks likeness painted on the seats in that stand too.

[Fiasco]

Pickford will go.  He’s got one year left in the summer…. And the new deal hasn’t been signed…. He will go whatever happens
After that, who have they got left of any value? Onana?  He’s not added to his value….

They’ve few assets left to sell now

Onana is raw but has a lot of potential, Arsenal were snooping around in the window just gone from what I read. But really, their squad is full of complete and utter mediocrity.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Onana is raw but has a lot of potential, Arsenal were snooping around in the window just gone from what I read. But really, their squad is full of complete and utter mediocrity.

I think that's being extremely generous to them.

[4pool]

They'll have their parachute payments to tide them over, and I don't see them losing any players, as they're all Championship standard already.

This percentage drops progressively over a three-year period – 55% in the first year, 45% in year two and, if the club was in the Premier League for more than one season before relegation, 20% in the third year.

As Everton are hocked to their eyeballs, 55% of tv revenue isn't enough when you've got 90% of revenue going to players wages.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

This percentage drops progressively over a three-year period – 55% in the first year, 45% in year two and, if the club was in the Premier League for more than one season before relegation, 20% in the third year.

As Everton are hocked to their eyeballs, 55% of tv revenue isn't enough when you've got 90% of revenue going to players wages.

As someone above mentioned, they could sell Onana and Pickford and use the money generated to offset the difference.

[rossipersempre]

As someone above mentioned, they could sell Onana and Pickford and use the money generated to offset the difference.

Pickford has 1 year left on his contract. They're not pulling even Spurs' pants down for more than 10-15m.

[Statto Red]

This percentage drops progressively over a three-year period – 55% in the first year, 45% in year two and, if the club was in the Premier League for more than one season before relegation, 20% in the third year.

As Everton are hocked to their eyeballs, 55% of tv revenue isn't enough when you've got 90% of revenue going to players wages.

Yeah, as i said, it took Villa 4 years to get back up after they went down in 16, & that's without a new stadium to pay for, Everton will be fucked.

 Feels reminiscent of Leeds, 20 years ago Leeds gambled the future on future revenue from the champions league, failed to qualify 2 years in a row, debtors started calling in the money & Leeds were fucked, took them 16 years to get back into the premier league, yo yoing between championship & league one for quite a bit of that time, & Leeds have had as many new owners as they have new managers, i remember Ken Bates was Leeds owner for a short time too.

[Skeeve]

Tempting though it is, no.

Our interests ALWAYS must come first. Otherwise we're as small-minded as those pricks.

While I'd still want us to win, you could make a reasonable argument that them going down is in our best interests since they can't injure any of our players if there's no derbies.

[Skeeve]

This percentage drops progressively over a three-year period – 55% in the first year, 45% in year two and, if the club was in the Premier League for more than one season before relegation, 20% in the third year.

As Everton are hocked to their eyeballs, 55% of tv revenue isn't enough when you've got 90% of revenue going to players wages.

Not to mention the obvious point that they keep mortgaging future tv revenues for money now, so they are going to have 3rd parties wanting their share of those parachute payments too.

[rossipersempre]

Yeah, as i said, it took Villa 4 years to get back up after they went down in 16, & that's without a new stadium to pay for, Everton will be fucked.

 Feels reminiscent of Leeds, 20 years ago Leeds gambled the future on future revenue from the champions league, failed to qualify 2 years in a row, debtors started calling in the money & Leeds were fucked, took them 16 years to get back into the premier league, yo yoing between championship & league one for quite a bit of that time, & Leeds have had as many new owners as they have new managers, i remember Ken Bates was Leeds owner for a short time too.

It was Risdale's era. Lavish spending on private jets, company cars and goldfish. Oh and sacking managers for missing out on CL.

[Statto Red]

It was Risdale's era. Lavish spending on private jets, company cars and goldfish. Oh and sacking managers for missing out on CL.

I didn't say Ken Bates was owner when Leeds were spending lavishly on everything [including that 200K fishtank ], i said, i remember Ken Bates was Leeds owner for a short time, which was after the Ridsdale era.