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What are your views on Kier Starmer's leadership of the Labour party to date?

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1720 on: October 19, 2021, 11:41:33 am »
'The Left' are really active today;

NEW FILM EXPOSES THE TRUTH STARMER TRIED TO SUPPRESS
A new film has been launched claiming to expose the “shocking truth” about the Labour Party Keir Starmer has tried to suppress, it’s claimed, by postponing publication of the Forde report.
The film, called “Not The Forde Inquiry”, alleges there is racism at the highest levels of the party, freedom of speech has been effectively outlawed and that the leadership is pursuing an aggressive McCarthyite witch-hunt against the left.
In the film, shot during the Labour Party conference, a panel including film director Ken Loach, hears shocking testimony from party members, past and present, including former Labour MP Chris Williamson.
The official Forde Inquiry, chaired by QC Martin Forde,  was commissioned in May 2020 to investigate a controversial leaked Labour Party report but its findings have been repeatedly postponed.  In his latest announcement Forde said he would try to report by early autumn — but to date nothing has appeared.
Norman Thomas, one of the producers of the film, said: “This film will do what the QC Martin Forde should have been allowed to do — blow the lid off the corrupt practices and total lack of democracy at the heart of the Labour Party.”
Thomas himself was the chair of South Thanet Labour Party In Kent until December 2020 when he was suspended for allowing his members to debate a motion supporting Jeremy Corbyn.
He said: “I’m only one of hundreds of members who have been suspended or expelled for daring to allow free speech in our party. Starmer makes much of his background as a civil rights lawyer — but he has trampled on the most basic democratic rights of his own party members.”
He added: “Keir Starmer has tried to conceal from the outside world what’s going on in his party. This film exposes the shocking truth. Starmer has destroyed democracy in Labour and is now facing an enormous backlash from grassroots members.”
The film is produced by the award-winning, London-based Platform Films, and is available online on

https://youtu.be/tUg1dr8EhLk

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A few pieces more about Starmer being a racist, the Labour Party being racist, the Labour Party not opposing the Tories, Corbyn should be re-instated, Labour are Tories, Labour voters that vote for Labour are Tories?! Erm.. Ok.. :D

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1721 on: October 19, 2021, 11:47:31 am »
Norman Thomas?    :o

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1722 on: October 19, 2021, 12:59:53 pm »
'The Left' are really active today;

NEW FILM EXPOSES THE TRUTH STARMER TRIED TO SUPPRESS
A new film has been launched claiming to expose the “shocking truth” about the Labour Party Keir Starmer has tried to suppress, it’s claimed, by postponing publication of the Forde report.
The film, called “Not The Forde Inquiry”, alleges there is racism at the highest levels of the party, freedom of speech has been effectively outlawed and that the leadership is pursuing an aggressive McCarthyite witch-hunt against the left.
In the film, shot during the Labour Party conference, a panel including film director Ken Loach, hears shocking testimony from party members, past and present, including former Labour MP Chris Williamson.
The official Forde Inquiry, chaired by QC Martin Forde,  was commissioned in May 2020 to investigate a controversial leaked Labour Party report but its findings have been repeatedly postponed.  In his latest announcement Forde said he would try to report by early autumn — but to date nothing has appeared.
Norman Thomas, one of the producers of the film, said: “This film will do what the QC Martin Forde should have been allowed to do — blow the lid off the corrupt practices and total lack of democracy at the heart of the Labour Party.”
Thomas himself was the chair of South Thanet Labour Party In Kent until December 2020 when he was suspended for allowing his members to debate a motion supporting Jeremy Corbyn.
He said: “I’m only one of hundreds of members who have been suspended or expelled for daring to allow free speech in our party. Starmer makes much of his background as a civil rights lawyer — but he has trampled on the most basic democratic rights of his own party members.”
He added: “Keir Starmer has tried to conceal from the outside world what’s going on in his party. This film exposes the shocking truth. Starmer has destroyed democracy in Labour and is now facing an enormous backlash from grassroots members.”
The film is produced by the award-winning, London-based Platform Films, and is available online on

https://youtu.be/tUg1dr8EhLk

_______________________________________

A few pieces more about Starmer being a racist, the Labour Party being racist, the Labour Party not opposing the Tories, Corbyn should be re-instated, Labour are Tories, Labour voters that vote for Labour are Tories?! Erm.. Ok.. :D



Sounds fun ;D

Williamson and Loach are a bigoted pair of absolute c*nts - always a bit of a credibility killer being on their 'side', Norman

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1723 on: October 19, 2021, 04:02:56 pm »
Sounds fun ;D

Williamson and Loach are a bigoted pair of absolute c*nts - always a bit of a credibility killer being on their 'side', Norman

Williamson and Loach look like a pair of mingebags as well.

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« Reply #1724 on: October 19, 2021, 05:09:37 pm »
I mean there were quite literally racist comments made about staffers and hostile treatment and microaggressions against Black women in the party.

You are meant to call out your own people (i.e. the Labour Party) when they're doing such things, I'm not sure why people get all defensive over it, it can be pretty telling that people just want us to suck it up and accept it because 'Tories bad' and Labour can never do anything but good. There are quite clearly issues across politics of racism (and elitism, homophobia, transphobia and generally being a shit person).
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1725 on: October 19, 2021, 05:20:51 pm »
It's the dirty washing in public (from both sides) that makes Labour so electorally appealing.

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1726 on: October 19, 2021, 05:25:58 pm »
'The Left' are really active today;

NEW FILM EXPOSES THE TRUTH STARMER TRIED TO SUPPRESS
A new film has been launched claiming to expose the “shocking truth” about the Labour Party Keir Starmer has tried to suppress, it’s claimed, by postponing publication of the Forde report.
The film, called “Not The Forde Inquiry”, alleges there is racism at the highest levels of the party, freedom of speech has been effectively outlawed and that the leadership is pursuing an aggressive McCarthyite witch-hunt against the left.
In the film, shot during the Labour Party conference, a panel including film director Ken Loach, hears shocking testimony from party members, past and present, including former Labour MP Chris Williamson.
The official Forde Inquiry, chaired by QC Martin Forde,  was commissioned in May 2020 to investigate a controversial leaked Labour Party report but its findings have been repeatedly postponed.  In his latest announcement Forde said he would try to report by early autumn — but to date nothing has appeared.
Norman Thomas, one of the producers of the film, said: “This film will do what the QC Martin Forde should have been allowed to do — blow the lid off the corrupt practices and total lack of democracy at the heart of the Labour Party.”
Thomas himself was the chair of South Thanet Labour Party In Kent until December 2020 when he was suspended for allowing his members to debate a motion supporting Jeremy Corbyn.
He said: “I’m only one of hundreds of members who have been suspended or expelled for daring to allow free speech in our party. Starmer makes much of his background as a civil rights lawyer — but he has trampled on the most basic democratic rights of his own party members.”
He added: “Keir Starmer has tried to conceal from the outside world what’s going on in his party. This film exposes the shocking truth. Starmer has destroyed democracy in Labour and is now facing an enormous backlash from grassroots members.”
The film is produced by the award-winning, London-based Platform Films, and is available online on

https://youtu.be/tUg1dr8EhLk

_______________________________________

A few pieces more about Starmer being a racist, the Labour Party being racist, the Labour Party not opposing the Tories, Corbyn should be re-instated, Labour are Tories, Labour voters that vote for Labour are Tories?! Erm.. Ok.. :D



Chris Williamson? Interesting. He's a Gauleiter now isn't he?
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1727 on: October 19, 2021, 05:29:35 pm »
Andy - "why can't everyone just get along, guys?"

*posts YouTube video as an excuse to have a go at the left of the party*

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1728 on: October 19, 2021, 05:37:43 pm »
That’s the past.


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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1729 on: October 19, 2021, 05:57:42 pm »
Andy - "why can't everyone just get along, guys?"

*posts YouTube video as an excuse to have a go at the left of the party*


This and every other Labour thread in a nutshell unfortunately.
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« Reply #1730 on: October 19, 2021, 06:08:33 pm »
Andy - "why can't everyone just get along, guys?"

*posts YouTube video as an excuse to have a go at the left of the party*

I posted it because I've stopped being annoyed by it.

I actually think it's kind of funny now. It's clear that there are some people out there that hate the Labour Party far more than they'll ever hate the Tories. I was having this discussion earlier (not an argument) and we actually ended up agreeing that it's all quite sad.

If these people put in a tenth of the effort against the Tories and their practices then I think we'd all be a lot better off. It's relentless, but just becoming silly now. No point even getting angry about it is there really?

I posted the post in full and even included the link to the film for anyone that wanted to see it. We can all agree that the Labour Party had issues and it seems that steps are being made to correct that (Which is a good thing isn't it?)
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1731 on: October 19, 2021, 11:08:45 pm »
I mean there were quite literally racist comments made about staffers and hostile treatment and microaggressions against Black women in the party.

You are meant to call out your own people (i.e. the Labour Party) when they're doing such things, I'm not sure why people get all defensive over it, it can be pretty telling that people just want us to suck it up and accept it because 'Tories bad' and Labour can never do anything but good. There are quite clearly issues across politics of racism (and elitism, homophobia, transphobia and generally being a shit person).

I'm waiting to see what Forde says. There's a number of issues with the document which was made and then leaked which have led to the current cases and may even lead to criminal charges (and not against those quoted in the document). Which is, I think, where there are big problems with using a cut and paste of text logs as a foundation for any broad statements. So far as I know, people have been suspended from the party for things quoted in the document since it was leaked, although not prior strangely enough, and faced disciplinary charges for it. Some are in the process of suing for defamation arguing that what the document presents has been done in a purposefully misleading way, by hacking out phrases and mashing different conversations together, and that's not something anyone wants to be prejudging before a judge gets round to seeing it with or without Forde...

The changes made as part of the EHRC recommendations apply across other protected characteristics so far as disciplinary matters go, so that may mean some of Forde's possible recommendations may not be needed (ie political manipulation of process) whereas I'm hoping he'll take the opportunity to suggest wider training. It is needed, as you say, and I think it covers a number of things. Something which I keep picking up on myself is people who believe that declaring themselves 'antiracist' is enough rather than it being something the vast majority of us need to be constantly listening and learning about. Things like tropes which have a bigoted undertone to them (eg conspiracy theories or 'angry black women' etc.).
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1732 on: October 20, 2021, 01:06:59 am »
Norman Thomas?    :o



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« Reply #1733 on: October 20, 2021, 08:37:02 am »
I mean there were quite literally racist comments made about staffers and hostile treatment and microaggressions against Black women in the party.

You are meant to call out your own people (i.e. the Labour Party) when they're doing such things, I'm not sure why people get all defensive over it, it can be pretty telling that people just want us to suck it up and accept it because 'Tories bad' and Labour can never do anything but good. There are quite clearly issues across politics of racism (and elitism, homophobia, transphobia and generally being a shit person).

For those who haven't been following the detail. Forde was investigating a report prepared by pro-Corbynites in the Labour Party to try and deflect from the EHRC investigation.

They wanted to annexe it to the main report but legal advice prevented it.

The leaked report/annexe contained extracts from emails and text/WhatsApp exchanges that appeared to show factionalism and some could be interpreted as racist. 

The people named in the report say the extracts were taken out of context and that resulted in the Information Commissioner's Office starting an investigation.

Labour's legal advisers say that releasing Forde's inquiry could potentially prejudice the ICO's work so the report has been delayed.

I'm not going to watch an hour of Ken Loach and Chris Williamson as I assume the claims are the same as in the original, leaked pro-Corbyn report which are being investigated by Forde and the ICO.

As Zeb says, this is being dealt with and this sadly appears to be a re-hashing of the claims that led to the Forde inquiry in the forst place (I;m not going to watse an hour watching the video).
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1734 on: October 20, 2021, 08:42:34 am »
Andy - "why can't everyone just get along, guys?"

*posts YouTube video as an excuse to have a go at the left of the party*

 ;D

He'll go on about his friends on social media next week, just to keep the pot going  ;)
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« Reply #1735 on: October 20, 2021, 03:11:16 pm »
Andy - "why can't everyone just get along, guys?"

*posts YouTube video as an excuse to have a go at the left of the party*
:) It's not a clash of personalities where you can stand in the middle and tell them to cut it out.
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« Reply #1736 on: October 20, 2021, 03:15:33 pm »
We could do with the Bullingdon twats thread reopening

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« Reply #1737 on: October 20, 2021, 04:26:55 pm »
Starmer didn't think it worth mentioning Covid and the soaring case numbers in PMQs today.

FFS.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1738 on: October 21, 2021, 09:16:42 am »
Starmer didn't think it worth mentioning Covid and the soaring case numbers in PMQs today.

FFS.

Strange, it came up on my Guardian feed that he'd done just that. Not looked into it any further though.
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« Reply #1739 on: October 21, 2021, 09:48:06 am »
Strange, it came up on my Guardian feed that he'd done just that. Not looked into it any further though.

He was focusing on the death of David Amess and got some good press on his response to Johnson trying to drag things down to his level. This was the Independent's response:

“After the week we’ve just had I really don’t want to descend to that kind of knock about” - Starmer, 9/10

And so, a composed Starmer quickly reset the tone and put Johnson in his place.


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“Really? After the week we’ve had?”

Keir Starmer admonishes Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson for crowing about government policy rather than conducting PMQs in a “collegiate spirit” after the death of Sir David Amess #PMQs


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It was the first PMQ after Amess's murder and I think it's understandable that he focused on that.

It fits in with Labour showing Johnson up as a clown who can't take anything seriously.

*edit - there will be plenty of opportunties to bring up the Covid report when things get worse as they inecitably will. When countries put the UK back on their red lists, when mask wearing becomes compulsory again, when the death and hospitalisation numbers rise again.
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« Reply #1740 on: October 21, 2021, 10:03:42 am »
He was focusing on the death of David Amess and got some good press on his response to Johnson trying to drag things down to his level. This was the Independent's response:

“After the week we’ve just had I really don’t want to descend to that kind of knock about” - Starmer, 9/10

And so, a composed Starmer quickly reset the tone and put Johnson in his place.


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It was the first PMQ after Amess's murder and I think it's understandable that he focused on that.

It fits in with Labour showing Johnson up as a clown who can't take anything seriously.

*edit - there will be plenty of opportunties to bring up the Covid report when things get worse as they inecitably will. When countries put the UK back on their red lists, when mask wearing becomes compulsory again, when the death and hospitalisation numbers rise again.

Nice one cheers mate. Was busy yesterday, so didn't manage really look at anything in the news, just get popups on my phone from time to time :)
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1741 on: October 21, 2021, 10:41:57 am »
Starmer didn't think it worth mentioning Covid and the soaring case numbers in PMQs today.

FFS.

I expect Javid's press conference was lined to be used as a response to show they were prepared and taking steps.

Seems wise to have avoided that elephant trap and also risen above the ugly stuff as Alan has shown

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1742 on: October 21, 2021, 10:49:11 am »
I expect Javid's press conference was lined to be used as a response to show they were prepared and taking steps.

Seems wise to have avoided that elephant trap and also risen above the ugly stuff as Alan has shown

I agree. Of course you've got to find the murder of a Tory MP revolting in the first place in order to think Starmer did the right thing.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1743 on: October 21, 2021, 12:10:14 pm »
It was also funny watching Johnson trying to dig himself out in subsequent answers. He really shouldn't have bothered.
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« Reply #1744 on: October 21, 2021, 12:54:36 pm »
Ashworth has the Covid brief. He spoke on it in the Commons yesterday, and did at least two interviews on it. He's leading the debate currently on now in the Commons after demanding the government give a statement. Thought PMQ was done well yesterday for a number of reasons, the cynical party political one of highlighting what a shit Johnson is to some of those who championed him (and who are now mourning their friend and are asking for things to be done to try and prevent it happening again) was also there.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1745 on: October 21, 2021, 01:00:36 pm »
I agree. Of course you've got to find the murder of a Tory MP revolting in the first place in order to think Starmer did the right thing.

Is there anyone on this forum who doesn't think David Amess's murder was revolting?

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1746 on: October 21, 2021, 01:04:08 pm »
He was focusing on the death of David Amess and got some good press on his response to Johnson trying to drag things down to his level. This was the Independent's response:

“After the week we’ve just had I really don’t want to descend to that kind of knock about” - Starmer, 9/10

And so, a composed Starmer quickly reset the tone and put Johnson in his place.


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“Really? After the week we’ve had?”

Keir Starmer admonishes Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson for crowing about government policy rather than conducting PMQs in a “collegiate spirit” after the death of Sir David Amess #PMQs


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Keir Starmer slams Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson for making 'knockabout' attack days after MP's murder

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12:45, 20 Oct 2021Updated12:52, 20 Oct 2021


It was the first PMQ after Amess's murder and I think it's understandable that he focused on that.

It fits in with Labour showing Johnson up as a clown who can't take anything seriously.

*edit - there will be plenty of opportunties to bring up the Covid report when things get worse as they inecitably will. When countries put the UK back on their red lists, when mask wearing becomes compulsory again, when the death and hospitalisation numbers rise again.


Thanks for the explanation (and others). It makes sense, although I doubt many of the Tory support, especially the 'new recruits' would recognise decency if it slapped them round the chops with a straight banana and a 'banned British banger'.

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1747 on: October 21, 2021, 01:07:21 pm »
Is there anyone on this forum who doesn't think David Ameuss's murder was revolting?
I can't figure out why this bloke chose to murder Amess. He wasn't a constituent and surely there were many more MPs in easier reach.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1748 on: October 21, 2021, 01:11:23 pm »
Thanks for the explanation (and others). It makes sense, although I doubt many of the Tory support, especially the 'new recruits' would recognise decency if it slapped them round the chops with a straight banana and a 'banned British banger'.

It might make some Tory MPs a bit more inclined to rebel a bit more often on marginal issues. Get enough of these happening, and you could get a narrative going of a clueless government losing the plot.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1749 on: October 21, 2021, 01:21:52 pm »
I can't figure out why this bloke chose to murder Amess. He wasn't a constituent and surely there were many more MPs in easier reach.


From what I've read, he apparently contacted a few MPs (both Tory & Labour) to enquire about meeting with them, and one was Croydon North's Labour MP, who wasn't available. Don't know how true this is, it was just a report I read the day or two after.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1750 on: October 21, 2021, 01:22:41 pm »
Natcen released their big data set on British Social Attitudes today. John Curtice does a summary of some of the main findings here: https://whatukthinks.org/eu/brexit-revives-trust-in-government-among-leavers/

The headline findings are around those who voted 'Leave' now having more trust in the political process when that had historically been low among those expressing Eurosceptic ideas, while those who voted 'Remain' have less trust. But perhaps specifically relevant to Labour going forward is how the pandemic has changed attitudes, even if a major crisis only seems to shift things a little bit.

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Would suggest that there is room for the message there but there's always the danger that making it the central focus of what Labour is saying to the electorate is preaching to the already converted.

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1751 on: October 21, 2021, 02:22:32 pm »
Ashworth has the Covid brief. He spoke on it in the Commons yesterday, and did at least two interviews on it. He's leading the debate currently on now in the Commons after demanding the government give a statement. Thought PMQ was done well yesterday for a number of reasons, the cynical party political one of highlighting what a shit Johnson is to some of those who championed him (and who are now mourning their friend and are asking for things to be done to try and prevent it happening again) was also there.
A lot of people are falling for the Captain Hindsight tag Johnsons giving Starmer. they also need to be bringing this point up as well when Starmer brings up Covid. how Labour keep asking the government to take a particular action when they see problems ahead to protect the country, how Johnson ignores the warnings for a few weeks forcing him to act when things have got far worse. he then stands up in Parliament and accuses Starmer of being Captain Hindsight, people believe this s,,.from Johnson.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1752 on: October 21, 2021, 03:28:48 pm »
Ashworth has the Covid brief. He spoke on it in the Commons yesterday, and did at least two interviews on it. He's leading the debate currently on now in the Commons after demanding the government give a statement. Thought PMQ was done well yesterday for a number of reasons, the cynical party political one of highlighting what a shit Johnson is to some of those who championed him (and who are now mourning their friend and are asking for things to be done to try and prevent it happening again) was also there.

Caught one of his interviews yesterday and stated Government should be delivering 500k booster jabs daily.  Interestingly Tony Blair echoing that today.

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1753 on: October 21, 2021, 03:55:47 pm »
Caught one of his interviews yesterday and stated Government should be delivering 500k booster jabs daily.  Interestingly Tony Blair echoing that today.

Would guess Labour's shadow health team got advance sight of what Blair's thinktank were about to publish: https://institute.global/policy/boosting-uks-covid-measures-how-go-further-faster-and-protect-nhs
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1754 on: October 21, 2021, 04:00:02 pm »
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It's an interesting thread

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1755 on: October 21, 2021, 04:16:10 pm »
Agree with Cummings on a lot there - although he's two years late to the party about Nandy. Parts which, from the twitter feed at least, don't seem thought through is that Labour's focus cannot solely be on the 'Kipper' vote as regaining 'the red wall' (however defined) is to regain a position Labour lost every election from 2010 on. Soooo I'm also adding some salt.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1756 on: October 21, 2021, 04:21:16 pm »
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How could Labour win? Replace dud 'dead player' Starmer with Midlands woman who can build a team & focus on target voters in marginal seats - disconnect Tories from power by focus on violent crime & small business ecosystem, marginalise trans nutjobs et al

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It's an interesting thread

I disagree with Cummings intensely but he knows how to win I suppose. Interesting that he name checked Nandy as the one to win it.

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1757 on: October 21, 2021, 04:31:25 pm »
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How could Labour win? Replace dud 'dead player' Starmer with Midlands woman who can build a team & focus on target voters in marginal seats - disconnect Tories from power by focus on violent crime & small business ecosystem, marginalise trans nutjobs et al

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1451147084237787143


It's an interesting thread

'marginalise trans/BLM nutters', what the fuck?

some of those communities already feel letdown by Starmer, how more far right can a Labour party go? Fucking hell. These sorts of power players in politics are incredibly dangerous. Insane that there are people there agreeing. Horrible, horrible prick.
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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1758 on: October 21, 2021, 04:33:00 pm »
Who is Midlands woman?

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Re: Keir Starmer: your views?
« Reply #1759 on: October 21, 2021, 04:35:16 pm »
"Marginalise trans nutjobs" - yeah, fuck identity politics, you woke bastards

with a "Midlands woman" - yeah, fuck id...huh?!

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