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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15720 on: January 2, 2022, 11:50:23 am »
And not when every other league is carrying on as normal at the moment.

Perhaps not carrying on as normal, but certainly with firmer rules in place. Barcelona are missing 17 players this weekend and have been told to get on with it.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4560175/barcelona-coach-xavi-slams-crazy-laliga-decision-to-play-game-amid-covid-19-outbreak

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« Reply #15721 on: January 2, 2022, 01:07:40 pm »
Perhaps not carrying on as normal, but certainly with firmer rules in place. Barcelona are missing 17 players this weekend and have been told to get on with it.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4560175/barcelona-coach-xavi-slams-crazy-laliga-decision-to-play-game-amid-covid-19-outbreak


As Sid Lowe notes, La Liga are clearer and stricter than the PL in terms of what clubs must do in this situation

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While the Premier League has cancelled games over the winter period, using a seemingly straightforward (but, in fact, slightly vague) criteria based on examining requests for cancellations match by match (and some managers still consider it insufficient), LaLiga will not. The Premier League criteria talks about clubs being able to fill teams with "appropriately experienced Under-21 players," while LaLiga talks about clubs being able to fill teams with any player. Anyone they have.

Here, although every LaLiga club has the right to request a postponement once before Matchday 30, they basically won't be granted it because here the rules are far clearer and far simpler:
 
Any club who can field 13 players in total, of which only five have to be first-team squad members, has to play. (All five have to be on the pitch: Under non-COVID-19 conditions, that has to be seven.)
https://www.espn.com/soccer/spanish-laliga/story/4559635/laliga-wont-stop-games-as-covid-cases-risewhich-could-prompt-creative-solutions-from-its-clubs

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15723 on: January 2, 2022, 01:36:26 pm »
Perhaps not carrying on as normal, but certainly with firmer rules in place. Barcelona are missing 17 players this weekend and have been told to get on with it.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4560175/barcelona-coach-xavi-slams-crazy-laliga-decision-to-play-game-amid-covid-19-outbreak

It helps I suppose that the other leagues don't insist on playing a nonsensical Christmas programme, so have been a bit insulated from it the last week or two.
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« Reply #15724 on: January 4, 2022, 12:31:16 pm »
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Exeter have been awarded a 28-0 win over Bath after their Premiership Rugby Cup match was cancelled.

The two sides were scheduled to play on Wednesday 29 December, but Covid-19 cases along with injuries and players being unavailable at Bath meant the game could not be played.

Exeter receive five points for the match while Bath receive none.

Exeter move up to third in their pool, four points off second-placed Worcester and five off leaders Gloucester.

Bath remain bottom of the group and are still looking for a first win in any competition this season.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/59861814

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« Reply #15725 on: January 4, 2022, 02:40:54 pm »
If it were us claiming postponements I'm pretty sure that the calls for more transparency would be deafening.

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« Reply #15726 on: January 4, 2022, 02:47:14 pm »
Might find out soon enough, sounds like we might have an outbreak today.
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« Reply #15727 on: January 4, 2022, 03:04:58 pm »
If it were us claiming postponements I'm pretty sure that the calls for more transparency would be deafening.

Exactly this.

Amazing how no one cares about transparency.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15728 on: January 6, 2022, 02:11:00 pm »
Guardiola and Dyche now positive.

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« Reply #15729 on: January 6, 2022, 02:19:19 pm »
Guardiola and Dyche now positive.

..plus 7 first team players and 14 backroom staff.

Grealish will still be on the bench.
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« Reply #15730 on: January 6, 2022, 06:02:05 pm »
Small write up in the economist on looking at the impact of covid infection on footballers in Germany and Italy. Shows a decrease in playing time and completed passes and other performance metrics that lingers long after infection.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/08/for-elite-footballers-the-effects-of-covid-19-linger-for-months

Taken from this larger paper from Reading university

http://www.reading.ac.uk/web/files/economics/emdp202117.pdf

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The COVID-19 pandemic has caused economic shock waves across the globe. Much research addresses direct health implications of an infection, but to date little is known about how this shapes lasting economic effects. This paper estimates the workplace productivity effects of COVID-19 by studying performance of soccer players after an infection. We construct a dataset that encompasses all traceable infections in the elite leagues of Germany and Italy. Relying on a staggered difference-in-differences design, we identify negative short- and longer-run performance effects. Relative to their pre- infection outcomes, infected players’ performance temporarily drops by more than 6%. Over half a year later, it is still around 5% lower. The negative effects appear to have notable spillovers on team performance
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15731 on: January 6, 2022, 06:08:07 pm »
Small write up in the economist on looking at the impact of covid infection on footballers in Germany and Italy. Shows a decrease in playing time and completed passes and other performance metrics that lingers long after infection.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/08/for-elite-footballers-the-effects-of-covid-19-linger-for-months

Taken from this larger paper from Reading university

http://www.reading.ac.uk/web/files/economics/emdp202117.pdf

From the abstract:
The COVID-19 pandemic has caused economic shock waves across the globe. Much research addresses direct health implications of an infection, but to date little is known about how this shapes lasting economic effects. This paper estimates the workplace productivity effects of COVID-19 by studying performance of soccer players after an infection. We construct a dataset that encompasses all traceable infections in the elite leagues of Germany and Italy. Relying on a staggered difference-in-differences design, we identify negative short- and longer-run performance effects. Relative to their pre- infection outcomes, infected players’ performance temporarily drops by more than 6%. Over half a year later, it is still around 5% lower. The negative effects appear to have notable spillovers on team performance

some great articles there.

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« Reply #15732 on: January 6, 2022, 11:33:26 pm »
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Ajax ignores quarantine rules and flies four infected players back to the Netherlands

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« Reply #15733 on: January 6, 2022, 11:41:00 pm »
Guardiola and Dyche now positive.

Apparently Dyche noticed he had one of the symptoms of a gravelly throat.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15734 on: January 8, 2022, 05:35:44 pm »
Chester has been warned by N Wales Police and Flintshire council for Covid rule breaches and been told then cannot have crowds anymore or they will be in breach again. English club, in the English League, entrance in England, pitch in Wales

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« Reply #15735 on: January 14, 2022, 02:04:49 pm »
Alphonso Davies has myocarditis after contracting COVID. Out of training for a few weeks.

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« Reply #15736 on: January 14, 2022, 02:05:44 pm »
Alphonso Davies has myocarditis after contracting COVID. Out for a few weeks.

That'll be one for the rabid anti-vaxxers to pounce on
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« Reply #15737 on: January 14, 2022, 02:07:23 pm »
That'll be one for the rabid anti-vaxxers to pounce on

They already are. Dickheads :wanker

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« Reply #15738 on: January 14, 2022, 02:27:09 pm »
They already are. Dickheads :wanker
I don't understand why they are
Is the myocarditis not as a result of the virus, rather than the vaccination.
I tested positive for COVID on Christmas day 2020, and whilst a mild strain, I can remember deciding to take my time retuning to full training, because of possible heart issues, myocarditis in particular. I can definitely remember information floating around at that time. And, as I said, pre vaccination.

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« Reply #15739 on: January 14, 2022, 02:32:11 pm »
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« Reply #15741 on: January 18, 2022, 10:39:10 pm »
Burnley now have six games in hand on Chelsea. And two years ago everyone was saying the season was irregular.

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« Reply #15742 on: January 19, 2022, 08:52:20 am »
Burnley now have six games in hand on Chelsea. And two years ago everyone was saying the season was irregular.

Yeh, but don't forget, 19/20 was the true COVID season. It should've been null & voided, obviously.
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« Reply #15743 on: January 19, 2022, 09:17:17 am »
After the weekend the PL needs to use the upcoming break from the league to stop any further postponements unless it's a real last resort with purely Covid cases.

In terms of ourselves we've got Leeds and Arsenal (rearranged League Cup final date) to fit in. If we make the CL semi and FA Cup semi we'd struggle to fit the games in as it is. We couldn't afford any more.
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« Reply #15744 on: January 19, 2022, 09:38:30 am »
After the weekend the PL needs to use the upcoming break from the league to stop any further postponements unless it's a real last resort with purely Covid cases.

In terms of ourselves we've got Leeds and Arsenal (rearranged League Cup final date) to fit in. If we make the CL semi and FA Cup semi we'd struggle to fit the games in as it is. We couldn't afford any more.

We're still fine, as we have two free midweeks when the other batch of CL last 16 games are being played, but, as you say, there's bound to be further postponements. There are another three midweeks free in April and May, but they could all be taken by games moved for the FA Cup (not just QF and SF, but the final itself would also cause a league game to be postponed).

No idea when the likes of Leicester are supposed to play their postponed games if they progress in the FA Cup and in Europe (unlike the CL, there are no weeks off in the Conference).

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« Reply #15745 on: January 19, 2022, 10:35:37 am »
We're still fine, as we have two free midweeks when the other batch of CL last 16 games are being played, but, as you say, there's bound to be further postponements. There are another three midweeks free in April and May, but they could all be taken by games moved for the FA Cup (not just QF and SF, but the final itself would also cause a league game to be postponed).

No idea when the likes of Leicester are supposed to play their postponed games if they progress in the FA Cup and in Europe (unlike the CL, there are no weeks off in the Conference).

Leicester go in a round earlier as well with the round of 32.

I don't know what they'd have done if they made the League Cup semi. I suppose the EFL would have made them play it as they've only been calling games off for injuries and AFCON.

Aside from Rodgers being hopeless in Europe you'd expect them to go far in the Conference League (never heard of the team they've drawn) and they've got a Championship side in the next round of the FA Cup. It won't just be Thursday/Sundays all seasons, it'll be Tuesday/Thursday/Sundays.

It seems short sighted of Leicester to call recent league games off. It's not like they're going for top 4 or in danger of going down. They're just mid table anyway.
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« Reply #15746 on: January 19, 2022, 06:07:15 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60030994

The Premier League is looking into changing its guidance around match postponements after criticism over the number of games being called off.

This season, 22 fixtures have been postponed because of Covid-19 cases, injuries and international call-ups.

The league has been criticised recently, amid claims that clubs were manipulating the rules around what warranted postponements.

New guidelines could be in place for 8 February.

It is understood early discussions have taken place in the last few days following controversy over the league's decision to grant Arsenal's request to postpone Sunday's north London derby at Tottenham.

There will not be enough time to implement changes for this weekend but when the Premier League resumes after its two-week winter break on 8 February, an agreement over amended guidance is likely to have been reached.

Premier League clubs were told in December that they should fulfil matches if they had a goalkeeper and 13 outfield players available, in reaction to a number of matches being called off because of Covid-19 outbreaks.

However, clubs have been allowed to include players injured and on international duty on their list of absentees when applying for a postponement.

Officials believe now might be the time to amend the Premier League's rules, with Covid restrictions in England set to be eased, and the number of top-flight players testing positive falling for the third successive week.

After Wednesday's games, there will still be 20 outstanding Premier League matches to rearrange, all but four of which were originally called off for Covid-related reasons.

It has already been decided the forthcoming winter break will not be used to reschedule any of these games, which means they will have to be played in weeks reserved for European competition.

Even then, there are bound to be some issues.

Leicester were four matches behind schedule before Wednesday's rearranged home game against Tottenham, and will also have to reschedule a match against Chelsea - moved from late February because Thomas Tuchel's side have reached the League Cup final.

As Brendan Rodgers' team are still in Europe and the FA Cup, they could reach a point where they have to play twice in a single midweek to fit all their games in.

Burnley, meanwhile, have only played 17 league games this season. Their past two games - at home to Leicester and Watford - were called off, while their matches with Aston Villa and Everton were postponed in December because of Covid-19 cases among the opposing teams.

The Clarets' match with Tottenham in November was also called off 50 minutes before kick-off because of heavy snow at Turf Moor.

What has been said about postponements?

Former Manchester United captain Gary Neville has been particularly critical of the league's rules over postponements, saying Covid-enforced postponements had now become "about clubs not having their best team".

Tottenham boss Antonio Conte, speaking on Tuesday, said he found the decision to postpone Sunday's north London derby against Arsenal "strange and surprising".

"We should not postpone games for injuries, for international duty," said Conte.

"I think we have a big problem to solve and it's Covid, but only about this situation can you decide to postpone, not for other situations.

"Honestly, it's my first time in my life - and I've had a bit of experience in football - I've seen this type of decision. It was very strange."

The Premier League has defended itself by pointing out that managers were complaining around Christmas time that players risked burnout if they were forced to play during a hectic schedule with squads reduced by illness.

Speaking on Wednesday, Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta defended the club's decision to request the postponement of the Tottenham game.

"We didn't have the players necessary to put a squad out to compete in a Premier League match, that is 100%," Arteta said before Thursday's League Cup semi-final second leg against Liverpool.

"This is a no-win situation. When we play the first three games of the season when other games were off, we were killed and called naive. Now we postpone a match for all the right reasons, believe me, and we get these reactions?"

When asked about changing the Premier League's rules to make them more transparent, Arteta added: "Yes, but you have to do that from the beginning.

"It is tricky. Everyone has to try to do the right thing and if we have to change things, then let's change them, but let's all act in the same way."

Aston Villa chief executive Christian Purslow said the league's current guidelines around Covid-related postponements are "no longer fit for purpose".

"They were well-intentioned at the time but to have a situation where clubs are applying for games to be postponed with just one or two positive Covid cases was never the intention of the rules," Purslow told the Times.

"I have asked the Premier League to review the situation and I hope that happens as a matter of urgency."

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« Reply #15747 on: January 19, 2022, 07:34:18 pm »
It has already been decided the forthcoming winter break will not be used to reschedule any of these games, which means they will have to be played in weeks reserved for European competition.

Teams that have no Asian or American players called up could easily have played, stupid not to make use of this period.

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« Reply #15748 on: January 19, 2022, 08:16:52 pm »
While the current situation is ridiculous I also disagree with changing rules (on anything) mid-season as that gives unfair benefits too.
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« Reply #15749 on: January 19, 2022, 08:17:51 pm »
While the current situation is ridiculous I also disagree with changing rules (on anything) mid-season as that gives unfair benefits too.

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« Reply #15750 on: January 19, 2022, 10:10:16 pm »
While the current situation is ridiculous I also disagree with changing rules (on anything) mid-season as that gives unfair benefits too.

Yep. But then again they basically changed the offside law mid-way through last season as well as VAR protocols the season before, so anything goes at this stage.
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« Reply #15751 on: January 19, 2022, 10:34:55 pm »
While the current situation is ridiculous I also disagree with changing rules (on anything) mid-season as that gives unfair benefits too.

The PL repeatedly screwed over most of its clubs by not having a clear, transparent policy ready to go for the first game of the season. Instead they thought the pandemic was magically over. Then the PL decided to introduce a rule that would have sort out some of the mess of their own doing, before basically like everything else (i.e. Respect Campaign) neglecting it after a week or so and allowing clubs to include players who are injured or on international duty. Thus you ended up with the likes of injury ravaged Leeds having to play Arsenal, while the likes of Leicester took the piss out of the rules around the same time including injured and half-fit players.

Here's a dead easy fix that Serie A introduced mid-season when some of their matches weren't played because the regional health authority deemed they couldn't occur. And this is in a league where the maximum number of games any one side has in hand at the moment due to COVID postponements is 1.  Basically, your match gets postponed if 35% of your squad has COVID and that only includes your registered first team. So if you have less than that number you're going to have to make up the difference with kids and reserves. Easy, straightforward.

Although I'd go two steps further. One is to publish the names of every player and staff member out with COVID. That info is readily available in Italy. Secondly, I'd go the NFL route and basically say a club cannot include unvaccinated players in that quota. So if they are unvaccinated and have COVID, sorry, you're out of luck.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15752 on: January 19, 2022, 11:15:02 pm »
Yep. But then again they basically changed the offside law mid-way through last season as well as VAR protocols the season before, so anything goes at this stage.

And the 'let the game flow' narrative. What happened to that?
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15753 on: January 19, 2022, 11:16:29 pm »
And the 'let the game flow' narrative. What happened to that?

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15754 on: January 24, 2022, 12:00:01 pm »
Seems to be a suggestion that clubs will have to prove four positive COVID tests and can no longer roll-in injuries. The four cases are a minimum rather than automatic requirement. If that's the case, this sounds like the bare minimum,or what the PL sold their policy as in October.  The Serie A approach was more than fair and the revised PL approach will likely be weaker than that.

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15755 on: January 26, 2022, 12:24:29 pm »
Seems to be a suggestion that clubs will have to prove four positive COVID tests and can no longer roll-in injuries. The four cases are a minimum rather than automatic requirement. If that's the case, this sounds like the bare minimum,or what the PL sold their policy as in October.  The Serie A approach was more than fair and the revised PL approach will likely be weaker than that.

PL meeting was today and they've agreed that proof of a minimum of four positive COVID tests will be needed for a postponement request to be successful.

But I'm guessing injuries will still be a factor (i.e. four COVID cases and eight injuries will get a postponement, but five COVID cases and no injuries may not).
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15756 on: January 26, 2022, 03:26:39 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60135824

Premier League clubs will have to prove they have at least four Covid-19 cases to get matches called off under new guidance announced on Wednesday.

A total of 22 top-flight games were postponed in December and January because of the pandemic.

The rules will be introduced before the next league fixture on 5 February.

A Premier League statement said the rules are designed "to protect the wellbeing of players and staff" and "maintain the sporting integrity".

Previously, clubs could request a match to be postponed if they did not have 13 available players as well as a goalkeeper.

However, teams were claiming opponents were including injured players as well as those on Africa Cup of Nations (Afcon) duty in Cameroon in the figures of players available.

Earlier this month, Tottenham said they were "extremely surprised" at the decision to call off their game against Arsenal, which had been scheduled to take place on 16 January.

However, the Gunners, who had four players at the Afcon tournament as well as a number of injuries and Covid cases, said they "reluctantly" requested a postponement and were "disappointed" the game had to be rearranged.

The Premier League said requests for postponements would continue to be assessed on "a case-by-case basis" and added: "Throughout the pandemic, the Premier League has adapted its guidance in response to the wider public health situation.

"The guidance was last updated in December in response to the emergence of the Omicron variant.

"The Premier League Board examines a number of factors, including the ability of a club to field a team; the status, severity and potential impact of Covid-19; and the ability of the players to safely prepare for and play the match."

Analysis - 'International absences will not come into play again'
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The reduction in the number of positive Covid-19 tests in the Premier League this week to 16, plus the increase in the number of Covid positives to four before a game can be called off, should have a significant impact on postponements.

The Premier League have always known postponing large numbers of games indefinitely was not an option because the final games have to be played on 22 May.

But the current international break offered the chance to re-assess and while injuries can still be used in proving a club cannot meet the 13+1 criteria, with the Africa Cup of Nations over before the next full round of matches, the international absences will not come into play again.

It should provide some certainty ahead of the next phase of the season, to the international window in March, in which there are seven rounds of matches, plus the fourth and fifth rounds of the FA Cup.

There are still 19 matches to be re-arranged, the four involving Leicester are particularly troublesome as Brendan Rodgers' side are about to embark on a Europa Conference League knockout campaign.

But the fact this new criteria comes into effect from the resumption should at least ensure the game that has caused most problems, the twice postponed relegation duel between Burnley and Watford, who now have a new manager in Roy Hodgson, should finally go ahead at Turf Moor on 5 February.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15757 on: January 26, 2022, 03:28:38 pm »
It's a bit of a useless change that, too little too late.
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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15758 on: January 26, 2022, 04:00:10 pm »

So basically what they should have done in the first place. Any word on whether those cases can include staff and reserve team players. In Serie A, their approach only affects players registered in the first team squad and if you are below the threshold you have to dip into your reserves to make up numbers

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Re: The Impact of COVID 19 on Sport...
« Reply #15759 on: January 26, 2022, 07:05:04 pm »
So basically what they should have done in the first place. Any word on whether those cases can include staff and reserve team players. In Serie A, their approach only affects players registered in the first team squad and if you are below the threshold you have to dip into your reserves to make up numbers

You should include medical staff as the only others you have to have available.  Players safety shouldn't be put at risk.