Author Topic: Greatest Liverpool XI - School Project (Read 16374 times)

beardsleyismessimk1 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2020, 07:15:03 pm »

Grobbelaar

Babbel-----Hansen -----VVD

-----------souness

-Beardsley ------ barnes

--------------dalglish

Torres----- rush ------- Suarez

3 4 3 high line

jacobs chains · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2020, 07:24:26 pm »

Alisson

Babbel Hansen VVD Robertson

Gerrard
Souness(C) Barnes

Dalglish
Suarez Rush

Not sure my team really needs a keeper.

RayPhilAlan · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2020, 07:27:57 pm »

Pleased that my team starts off with my namesakes!

Clemence

Neal
Hansen
Van Dijk
Hughes

Gerrard
Souness
Alonso
Barnes

Dalglish
Rush

Only went with people I've seen play, otherwise I would have liked to include Liddell and move Gerrard inside into Alonso's spot. I've also omitted recent players to avoid recency bias, except for Virgil, who had to be there. I can certainly see Trent, Alisson and a few others making this team in a few years time.

Apologies to your son for selecting players out of the positions he's given them. If it has to be done according to his lists, then bring in Alan Kennedy to left back ahead of Emlyn Hughes, and I'll pick Mo on the right wing, with Gerrard replacing Alonso in midfield.

longtimered · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2020, 07:30:36 pm »

Allisson

Nicol
Lawrenson
Van Dijk
Hughes

Gerrard
Souness
ST John
Barnes

Dalglish
Rush

John C · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2020, 07:37:24 pm »

This has been done loads of times so I'll merge it in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile I protest that both Riise and Kuyt should even be considered given our glorious list of greats.

Medellin · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2020, 07:47:47 pm »

Quote from: red1977 on January 22, 2020, 05:47:03 pm

One short there.

Souness got sent off.

Asam · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2020, 08:15:44 pm »

Becker

Neal. Hansen. VVD. Nicol

Souness

Gerrard. Barnes

Salah. Dalglish Suarez.

Subs

Clemence
TAA
Lawro
Mane
Alonso
Torres
Milner

zamagiure · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2020, 09:06:19 pm »

Clemence
Neal VVD Hansen Kennedy
Heighway Gerrard Souness Barnes
Rush The King.

stockdam · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2020, 09:43:49 pm »

I’ve seen all of them play other than Scott, Moran and Liddell. Apparently Liddell is cited as one of our best ever players but he obviously won’t get selected by many people as they haven’t seen him playing.

Good luck on trying to select 11 players as they are all excellent.

stockdam · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2020, 09:50:02 pm »

Quote from: duvva on January 22, 2020, 02:23:42 pm

Cough cough

Ray Kennedy

Cough

Anyway that one glaring omission aside, do I have to pick someone from the RM group or can I for example use Gerrard as RM? Also can I include Ray?

Agreed. Ray Kennedy should be in the list. He was a strong elegant classy player.

No Toshack? He was relatively limited but very effective. He and Keegan formed one of the best partnerships.

stockdam · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:09:44 pm »

Goalkeepers

Reina
Clemence
Becker
Scott
Grobbelaar

I never saw Scott so rather unfairly I would have to omit him.
It is a choice between Clemence and Alisson.
Alisson is possibly better but hasn’t been with us long enough yet so Clemence shades it.

Left Back

Riise
Kennedy
Moran
Robertson
Lindsay

Haven’t seen Moran so he’s out.
It’s between Lindsay and Robertson.
Lindsay shades it just.

Right Back

Babbel
Finnan
Neal
Lawler
Nicol
TAA

A close call between all of them.
Neal wins but only just.

Centre Backs

Hyppia
Carragher
Hansen
Yeats
Hughes
Thompson
Smith
VVD
Skrtel
Lawrenson

VVD walks straight in.
Hughes, Hyppia, Hansen or Lawrenson?
Hansen but only just.

Left Mid

Barnes
Liddell
McManamam
Mane
Berger

I haven’t seen Liddell so he’s out but only just as he apparently was a great player.
Mane or Barnes?
Surprisingly I’m going Mane.

Right Mid

Kuyt
Salah
Smicer
McMannaman (?)
Callaghan

Salah wins this one.

Centre Mid

Gerrard
Alonso
Henderson
Souness
Coutinho
Wijnaldum
Callaghan
Lee
Case
Hamman
Johnston
Molby

Souness or Gerrard. That’s almost impossible.
I’m going For both.

Strikers

Rush
Dalglish
Suarez
Torres
Owen
Keegan
Hunt
Firminho
Fowler
Aldridge

Firminho or Dalglish?
Dalglish by a short head.

Rush, Torres, Suarez or Fowler?
This is very hard as all 4 could be selected.
I’m going Suarez.

Clemence
Neal VVD Hansen Lindsay
Mane Gerrard Souness Salah
Suarez Dalglish

I could easily have included Robertson, TAA, Barnes, Liddell etc and in reality they would be part of the first team squad.

rojo para la vida · « **Reply #51 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:16:16 pm »

Allison
Trent, Virgil, Hansen, Robertson
Barnes, Gerrard, Dalglish
Toshack, Rush, Keegan

I struggled leaving Clemence out, as he's the only player that I remember from my first ever game and I was playing keeper at the time, so I followed him intently for a few years but Allison has taken the position to a new level.
I shed a tear when Keegan left us. His time as England and Newcastle manager plus the shithouse way he left us, has tarnished his memory but for me, never has a player so achieved with the ability that he had. I can't put Keegan in without Toshack, if you weren't there, you might not understand.

I've got a feeling that this team will have at least three changes in three seasons time.

Prof · « **Reply #52 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:56:11 pm »

I'm going to go for our current system/formation and then think, who could improve on the players we currently have in our starting line up.

Alisson

TAA Hansen VVD Riise

Gerrard Souness Wijnaldum

Barnes Dalglish Mane

Riise because it needs an attacking LB in a Robertson mould. Riise just edges it purely because of those goals he had in his locker.

Dalglish as a Bobby style false 9 (I considered Suarez and Fowler for this too).

Barnes as inverted winger playing in Salah's role. Just the idea of peak Barnes playing in this team in that role... Drool

The other options I considered were playing Barnes where Wijnaldum is or Mascherano or Alonso in the middle of the three. I always felt those two worked so well because they had each other as perfect foils.

I'll probably wake up tomorrow and think I've got it totally wrong.

sminp · « **Reply #53 on:** January 23, 2020, 12:31:47 am »

I’m 31 so haven’t seen a lot of the greats. Will have a stab based on those listed in the opening post:

Scott

Neal
Hansen
VVD
Kennedy

Gerrard
Molby
Souness

Suarez
Dalglish
Liddell

433, Dalglish through the middle, Suarez and Liddell swapping wings but playing quite narrow to get into central positions.

There were some players it was very difficult to leave out, Hughes, Hendo for his leadership skills, Robbo, Reina, Allison, Trent, Mane. Was trying not to be too biased towards the current lot though.

awiin · « **Reply #54 on:** January 23, 2020, 03:21:13 am »

Becker
Neal - VVD - Hansen - Robbo
Gerrard - Souness
McManaman - Dalglish - Barnes
Rush

Roger Federer · « **Reply #55 on:** January 23, 2020, 10:31:56 am »

Quote from: Prof on January 22, 2020, 10:56:11 pm

I'm going to go for our current system/formation and then think, who could improve on the players we currently have in our starting line up.

Alisson

TAA Hansen VVD Riise

Gerrard Souness Wijnaldum

Barnes Dalglish Mane

Riise because it needs an attacking LB in a Robertson mould. Riise just edges it purely because of those goals he had in his locker.

Dalglish as a Bobby style false 9 (I considered Suarez and Fowler for this too).

Barnes as inverted winger playing in Salah's role. Just the idea of peak Barnes playing in this team in that role... Drool

The other options I considered were playing Barnes where Wijnaldum is or Mascherano or Alonso in the middle of the three. I always felt those two worked so well because they had each other as perfect foils.

I'll probably wake up tomorrow and think I've got it totally wrong.

I know this is just a bit of fun, but Riise over Robertson is bizarre. He scored a decent number of goals, but mainly from midfield, and he isn’t half the footballer Robertson is. We’d lose so much of our build up on the left side, and be worse in both defence and attack.

Agent99 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 23, 2020, 10:53:41 am »

Clemence

Neal Hansen VVD Kennedy

Gerrard Souness Barnes

King
Fowler Rush

tubby · « **Reply #57 on:** January 23, 2020, 10:55:39 am »

All these formations with Barnes playing as an 8 in a 3 man midfield, what's going on.

Ziltoid · « **Reply #58 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:02:56 am »

Quote from: CHOPPER on January 22, 2020, 06:27:26 pm

Not so fast - Mr Mucky Man, on and in a Mac

This is internet grooming, people. Beware and walk away. He wants your attention and then he will entice you in to his world.

*Reported to the mods for grooming*

Can you post your team Chops and then i'll let you come round to look at the puppies in the back of my van

ScottishKopite · « **Reply #59 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:24:14 am »

Quote from: Roger Federer on January 23, 2020, 10:31:56 am

I know this is just a bit of fun, but Riise over Robertson is bizarre. He scored a decent number of goals, but mainly from midfield, and he isn’t half the footballer Robertson is. We’d lose so much of our build up on the left side, and be worse in both defence and attack.

Wijnaldum is brilliant but there is a lot more to choose from who I personally think would be better suited in that midfield.

Xabi Alonso ?

ScottishKopite · « **Reply #60 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:28:33 am »

Becker

Trent
Virgil
?
Robbo

Alonso
Gerrard
Coutinho

Salah
Suarez
Mane

I am 28 so never had the chance to see Hansen , Souness , Kenny play.

Fowler , Torres , Bobby , Gini , are around it was hard

I am not sure who I would have partner Virgil , IF he was fully fit no injury's I would go for Agger I think they done him he would of been even better just unlucky with the injury's

andyrol · « **Reply #61 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:36:21 am »

picked no current players, mainly because they are nearly all getting in a best XL. so

Grobbelaar
Neal Hyypia Hansen Kennedy
Molby
Gerrard Barnes
Dalglish
Fowler Suarez

Kuytinho · « **Reply #62 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:42:09 am »

Alisson; TAA, VVD, Hansen, Robertson; Salah, Gerrard, Souness, Mane; Suarez, Dalglish

Jookie · « **Reply #63 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:50:08 am »

Quote from: scutty on January 22, 2020, 04:48:28 pm

Just a few I didn't notice.

Beardsley, Henchoz, Heighway, St John, Staunton, Hughes,
Whelan, McDermott, Toshack, Fairclough.

honourable mention, McAllister.

As decent players as they were Beardsley, Staunton and Henchoz wouldn't even be near our best ever 3rd XI never mind best XI ever.

I didn't see Emlyn Hughes but my old fella always raves about how under rated he's become in the pantheon of Liverpool greats. Same with Phil Thompson.

I've been watching us since about 1985 ish and Gerrard, Barnes, Rush, VvD, Robertson would be the only definite. The 1st 4 because they are easily the best players in there position that have played for the club despite other great players playing in those positions. Robertson is a great player but at the moment he's a shoe-in because since the mid-80's we've struggled for a decent left back.

Think the hardest choice is up front. Rush is a shoe in. I didn't see peak Kenny or Keegan for Liverpool. But you've got still Suarez, Torres, Owen, Salah, Fowler, Firmino. Others will massively disagree but I'd say Fowler is the worst option out of that list of great players. He was a really really good player for us. A shining light in what was a relatively poor team. But the Premier league was poor overall then and Fowler's European and international records are both relatively average. I'm not sure he's anywhere near the same class as a Torres, Suarez or Salah.

Jookie · « **Reply #64 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:57:07 am »

Quote from: sminp on January 23, 2020, 12:31:47 am

Molby

Molby was brilliant in the run-in to 1985-86 season. Had a decent season the year after too. However, he wasn't;t really a regular for most of his time at Liverpool. Hardly played in the Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge season. Was injured and lost his place to Whelan (who moved from left mid to accommodate Barnes). The next few seasons he was a bit part player due to injuries, jail and fitness.

Molby's peak was brilliant but for most of his time at Liverpool he was a subsitute to others (namely McMahon and Whelan). Can you argue that his performances in 1985-86 (arguably one of our greatest seasons ever but not greatest team) elevate him above others?

Stubbins · « **Reply #65 on:** January 23, 2020, 12:20:34 pm »

What, no Albert Stubbins?

fintanmar · « **Reply #66 on:** January 23, 2020, 12:23:19 pm »

Alisson

Nicol
Hansen
Virgil
Robertson

Gerrard
Alonso
Barnes

Suarez
Mane
Fowler

Darras · « **Reply #67 on:** January 23, 2020, 12:36:45 pm »

Alisson

Nichol Hansen Virgil Robertson

Souness

Gerrard Barnes

Kenny

Suarez Rush

Ipcress · « **Reply #68 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:02:21 pm »

With Klopp as manager and playing in his style with creative fullbacks...

Alisson

Gerrard Hansen VVD Robertson

Fabinho
Barnes Gini

Salah Suarez Mane

Modern players tending to edge it because of fitness, pace and not getting red carded every time they put in what was an acceptable challenge in the 70's. They spoke of Trent being the next Gerrard, in my team, it's true.

Edit: Alisson is off to one side cos he'll end up leaning against the post reading the paper for most of the match.

daveonthespionkop1900 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:07:14 pm »

Clemmence
Neal
Kennedy
Van dijk
Smith
Hughes (as midfielder)
Dalglish
Gerrard
Rush
Callaghan
Souness

Subs Hansen, Thompson, McDermott, salah, Barnes, TAA, Henderson
(All the European cup winners captains team)
Suarez and Fowler and possibly McMahon would get in otherwise

tray fenny · « **Reply #70 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:29:24 pm »

Ok , know this young reds, Terry McDermott would waltz into any Liverpool team from any era. Thanks.
https://youtu.be/CRMJT187wxs

liverbloke · « **Reply #71 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:33:53 pm »

Quote from: tray fenny on January 23, 2020, 01:29:24 pm

Ok , know this young reds, Terry McDermott would waltz into any Liverpool team from any era. Thanks.
https://youtu.be/CRMJT187wxs

Yeh, seeing the 'old' names makes me rethink my team - I have a couple in there but fuckin 'ell McDermott and Heighway to name just 2!

vblfc · « **Reply #72 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:59:34 pm »

Clem

TAA
Hansen
VVD
Kennedy

Gerrard
Souness
Barnes

Dalglish
Rush
Suarez

fredfrop · « **Reply #73 on:** January 23, 2020, 02:06:41 pm »

Prolly a bit late, but extracting value from this unstructured data is going to be a lot of work for him.

Still, it'll keep the little perisher off his PS4 won't it...

smutchin · « **Reply #74 on:** January 23, 2020, 02:44:55 pm »

Bit of an arbitrary selection - for most positions it's almost impossible to choose just one...

Alisson

Neal Hansen VVD A.Kennedy

Henderson Gerrard Barnes

Salah Dalglish Rush

I'm only favouring Neal over Trent because Trent is still very young and just at the start of his career with a long way to go, but that's a tough choice.

Ziltoid · « **Reply #75 on:** January 23, 2020, 03:03:22 pm »

Quote from: fredfrop on January 23, 2020, 02:06:41 pm

Prolly a bit late, but extracting value from this unstructured data is going to be a lot of work for him.

Still, it'll keep the little perisher off his PS4 won't it...

XBox yes

Just keep cracking on everyone. Please make mentions of players missed etc, It'll all be collated (by me probably)

Mr Benn please? · « **Reply #76 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:20:47 pm »

Based on players I've seen, I'm going 442 with Souness and Alonso sitting deep and Gerrard and Barnes wide & more advanced:

Becker
Neal
Hansen
Big Virg
Nicol

Gerrard
Souness
Alonso
Barnes

Rush
Dalglish

Assuming they are all at their peak, that team would be just about unbeatable.

scutty · « **Reply #77 on:** January 23, 2020, 09:04:52 pm »

Jookie, I thought he was making a list for others to choose from. if so and skrtel made the list the player's I mentioned should definitely make the cut.

Sheer Magnetism · « **Reply #78 on:** January 24, 2020, 12:39:29 am »

Quote from: tubby on January 22, 2020, 02:24:25 pm

Clemence
Neal VVD Hansen Kennedy
Alonso Souness
Gerrard Dalglish Barnes
Suarez

This would be my exact team, but with Robbo or Lindsay at left back.

Linudden · « **Reply #79 on:** January 24, 2020, 01:20:00 am »

Quote from: Defendant on January 22, 2020, 03:54:44 pm

Clemence

Neal VVD Hansen Kennedy
Salah Alonso Gerrard Barnes
Suarez Dalglish

Not much to add except Alonso out for Souness due to title-winning CV and Alisson in due to him being amazing in the possession game

Trent is bordering on a spot and would probably claim it next year.

If I went 4-3-3, Xabi would go back in, Barnes would go out and then I'd give Salah and Suárez roles as inverted wingers with Dalglish as the false nine. Barnes was never really tried on the right as far as I know, but he and Salah are nip and tuck for such a role, assuming he can play there. Rush is the first man off the bench in any game, but I feel like Dalglish could play the Firmino role to perfection with Gerrard assisting him and those two would enable Salah and Suárez to score more and also aid Barnes and Mané when they come on.

I'd like one left-footer with experience of playing inverted in the XI up front, but let's face it: Mané is also unlucky to miss out.

Alisson

Neal Hansen van Dijk Kennedy

Alonso Souness

Gerrard

Salah Dalglish Suárez

Or:

Alisson

Neal Hansen van Dijk Kennedy

Salah Gerrard Souness Barnes

Dalglish Suárez