Topic: Wolverhampton Wanderers

[PaintItRed]

Ryan Mason? At least I presume he fractured his skull. He had to retire, which hopefully is not the case for Jimenez. I presume there are different levels of severity and will depend on the area, so fingers cross its not as bad as it sounds.

Surgery will presumably be for either a depressed skull fracture or an intracranial bleed.

[Drinks Sangria]

Fair fucks to Nuno, really respect him coming out and saying that. And he's not wrong. As Liverpool fans we all know how shite and incompetent Mason is and has been for years - refs should not be untouchable and immune from fair criticism.

Some may say that Nuno's comments went too far, I say that he hit the nail on the head (in light of Burnley's tactic of kicking the fuck out of Podence or Traore any time the ball got near them) and he's said what he needs to in order to afford his players plenty of protection.

It's probably, long term, worth minor sanctions. Referees will hate being personally called out on incompetence and will be scared of it happening again. When it's generic criticism directed at the organisation, they hide behind said organisation and the relative anonymity within which they work. Can't hide when you've been called out like that.

[Vinay]

I completely agree mate. Nuno is just taking one for his fellow managers. I like the guy very much (and Bielsa), and he has called it right. Let us see how the 'authorities' react.

[Lone Star Red]

Yep, my respect for him, which was already pretty high, just went up tenfold for this. Much needed. It's about time refs in the PL were taken to task, they're untouchable and it's infuriating.

[Malaysian Kopite]

Referees should not be immune from criticism, especially if they're being called out for being inept as opposed to corrupt

[Drinks Sangria]

It'll probably be some heavy fine and maybe even a touchline ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute,' something most of us fans would argue PGMOL do weekly.

He said it in the heat of the moment but didn't seem outraged or out of control when he said it - he has definitely taken one for the team as Vinay has said.

There has to be a constructive way to feedback on referee performance, the current blanket ban on saying anything whatsoever is craziness. The Dutch actually interview the referees who have to justify their decisions post-game. Would never happen here.

[Suareznumber7]

Here in the US they've been pushing youth players to use these with mixed success - https://unequal.com/halo-3/

Who's pushing players to use them? I've not seen anything or anyone where I am that is even encouraging, let alone pushing, youth players to use those. 

[Suareznumber7]

It'll probably be some heavy fine and maybe even a touchline ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute,' something most of us fans would argue PGMOL do weekly.

You're probably right about that but Nuno didn't really say anything bad about Mason other then that he's not good enough.  Does that rise to the level where he'll see a fine or a ban? 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

You're probably right about that but Nuno didn't really say anything bad about Mason other then that he's not good enough.  Does that rise to the level where he'll see a fine or a ban?

criticizing referees public ally = fine

[sinnermichael]

They play Spurs next, so expect Mourinho to start crying in his press conference that if he'd said what Nuno said, his punishment would have been ten times worse.

[Romford_Red]

I completely agree mate. Nuno is just taking one for his fellow managers. I like the guy very much (and Bielsa), and he has called it right. Let us see how the 'authorities' react.

If I were Nathan Redmond, I'd be braced for a fine and possibly a ban.

[Dave McCoy]

Who's pushing players to use them? I've not seen anything or anyone where I am that is even encouraging, let alone pushing, youth players to use those.

In thinking about it I'm probably overstating it though I wish I wasn't.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Nuno asked to explain his comments by the FA (which is code for a ban is upcoming), even though I think he explained them pretty well at the time!

Lee Mason I’m sure not asked to explain his performance.

[Drinks Sangria]

Nuno asked to explain his comments by the FA (which is code for a ban is upcoming), even though I think he explained them pretty well at the time!

Lee Mason I’m sure not asked to explain his performance.

Absolute joke isn't it - he was perfectly clear in what he said. There's no real spinning it or room for misinterpretation on this one. He'll get the book thrown at him and there will be no much needed introspection on the quality of refereeing or the way in which referees are protected beyond reason.

[4pool]

I see Nuno is standing his ground..

[jack witham]

This is what annoys me with the Premier league.

If a manager criticises a referee he is dragged up to explain his comments.

If a referee makes a decision that is disputed he does not have to explain why.

They are totally unaccountable for their actions which is what pisses people off.

Until this is sorted people will not respect them.

Well in to Nuno for standing his ground.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

This is what annoys me with the Premier league.

If a manager criticises a referee he is dragged up to explain his comments.

If a referee makes a decision that is disputed he does not have to explain why.

They are totally unaccountable for their actions which is what pisses people off.

Until this is sorted people will not respect them.

Well in to Nuno for standing his ground.

Gives the rest of them the opportunity to agree with him,they just need to widen the net to include the lot of the attention addicts.

[4pool]

Well, well, well..

Man Utd v Wolves....and who is Refereeing?

Lee Mason, Nuno's bezzie... 

[rawcusk8]

Well, well, well..

Man Utd v Wolves....and who is Refereeing?

Lee Mason, Nuno's bezzie... 

Wasn’t it Lee Mason that is Nuno’s bezzie?

[El Lobo]

Well, well, well..

Man Utd v Wolves....and who is Refereeing?

Lee Mason, Nuno's bezzie... 

Wasn’t it Lee Mason that is Nuno’s bezzie?

Think you’ll find it was actually Lee Mason lads

[rowan_d]

Boring shit.

Hate that it was against Man Utd, but can't feel sorry for a team that is set up to play like that.

[Legs]

Dont forget United had 30 hours rest over them.

The flip side is Villa have that advantage on United for Friday.

[OOS]

Boring shit.

Hate that it was against Man Utd, but can't feel sorry for a team that is set up to play like that.

They've been boring for two years now.

[Dave McCoy]

They just need a goal scorer with Jimenez out.  Hopefully for our sakes they think it’s Divock.

[macmanamanaman]

I genuinely think Origi would score lots for them.
Divock is not a good fit for our style of play but I reckon he could be quite good for the counter attacking style they play.

Hope they can loan us a CB (any CB!) and take Divock.....Loan Swap?

[Pistolero]

Not a revelatory observation, but they don't look the same side without Jimenez..he was/is a real talisman for them and his horrible injury has knocked them badly..felt for them tonight, they deserved a point from that game...

[GreatEx]

I genuinely think Origi would score lots for them.
Divock is not a good fit for our style of play but I reckon he could be quite good for the counter attacking style they play.

Hope they can loan us a CB (any CB!) and take Divock.....Loan Swap?

Saiss for Div, please!

[Ghost Town]

Saiss for Div, please!

Saiss you!

(Neto, I'd go for)

[Eeyore]

Neto looks absolute quality and still only 20. Saiss is quality and would do a great job at centre back for us.

Can Wolves become our new Southampton please.

[royhendo]

Good to see Hoever start eh?

[Drinks Sangria]

Neto looks absolute quality and still only 20. Saiss is quality and would do a great job at centre back for us.

Can Wolves become our new Southampton please.

Neto has looked the real deal for some time now - absolutely agree we should be keeping an eye on him. Saiss is interesting, we were oddly linked to him when they were bossing the Championship and he’s been inconsistent an injury prone which has stopped him stringing games together; he’s been excellent this season though. At 30 we probably wouldn’t look at him, though his contract is up in the summer. That’s caveated by the fact there’s an extra year option, presumably on Wolves’ side.

I actually came in to ask why on Earth Lee Mason was refereeing their game given the investigation into Nuno’s comment about about him is still ongoing? Ludicrous.

[El Lobo]

I’m not sure if it’s worse on Lee Mason to constantly be mistaken for Jon Moss, of vice versa. Or that they should both be embarrassed that they’ve essentially morphed into one fat, useless, unfit twat of a referee that they can’t even be separated

[Drinks Sangria]

I’m not sure if it’s worse on Lee Mason to constantly be mistaken for Jon Moss, of vice versa. Or that they should both be embarrassed that they’ve essentially morphed into one fat, useless, unfit twat of a referee that they can’t even be separated

Was it Jon Moss?  You've essentially hit the nail on the head, I flicked onto the game for about 20 seconds and turned off in disgust as they scored that spawny winner.

Both shite either way - previous statement retracted though.

[4pool]

I’m not sure if it’s worse on Lee Mason to constantly be mistaken for Jon Moss, of vice versa. Or that they should both be embarrassed that they’ve essentially morphed into one fat, useless, unfit twat of a referee that they can’t even be separated

Was it Moss..lol

I started this about Mason.

Brothers from different mothers then...

[So… Howard Philips]

I’m not sure if it’s worse on Lee Mason to constantly be mistaken for Jon Moss, of vice versa. Or that they should both be embarrassed that they’ve essentially morphed into one fat, useless, unfit twat of a referee that they can’t even be separated

I get similarly confused between the two fat, stumpy Tory twats Francois and Bridgen. Has homo sapiens regressed into a new degenerative species, perchance?

[Ghost Town]

A rolling Moss gathers no end of stones. The fat bastard.

[4pool]

Wolves boss Nuno Espirito Santo has been charged by the Football Association for his recent criticism of referee Lee Mason.

Nuno said after Wolves' 2-1 defeat at Burnley on 21 December that Mason "is not good enough" to officiate at the top level.

The Portuguese manager subsequently refused to apologise for his comments.

The FA allege his comments "constitute improper conduct" as they were "personally offensive" to Mason.

Nuno has until Tuesday, 5 January to respond to the charge.

Before the charge was announced, Nuno said he regretted the "timing" of his criticism but that he would "never question the integrity" of an official and was making a comment on the "ability" of the referee.

Under current FA regulations, post-match comments that criticise the performance or competence of a match official are permitted unless they imply bias, attack the official's integrity, are personally offensive, are prolonged, or are particularly unreasonable.

[BJ]

The catch all word “unreasonable” - who gets to decide?  It’s like throwing “hate speech” at an opinion you disagree with. 

[Drinks Sangria]

Nuno fined £25,000 for his comments on Lee Mason’s competence and performance after the Wolves v Burnley game.

He admitted the comments constituted improper conduct but also doubled down by saying he still believed them to be true and refused to apologise.

Top lad. Basically saying yes I accept the punishment but I also wish to reiterate the comments for which I was punished.

[Hazell]

Nuno fined £25,000 for his comments on Lee Mason’s competence and performance after the Wolves v Burnley game.

He admitted the comments constituted improper conduct but also doubled down by saying he still believed them to be true and refused to apologise.

Top lad. Basically saying yes I accept the punishment but I also wish to reiterate the comments for which I was punished.

Meanwhile Lee Mason and his ilk can carry on being incompetent without any challenge. Nice.