Topic: The Klopp Template

[Slick_Beef]

Klopp himself mentions speaking with Mike Gordon as a big influence in this interview (about 8 minutes in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRMVUpVYRJk

[rebel23]

Oh thanks Slick.  I'll definitely check out that interview

[deFacto please, you bastards]

The Klopp.dance

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsGQXVslZ5h/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=pbitbahaf6ih 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[jillcwhomever]

The Klopp.dance

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsGQXVslZ5h/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=pbitbahaf6ih 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

That's cool, having a good time. 

[PhaseOfPlay]

The Klopp.dance

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsGQXVslZ5h/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=pbitbahaf6ih 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Oh dear God he's just brilliant, lol

[SinceSixtyFive]

The Klopp.dance

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsGQXVslZ5h/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=pbitbahaf6ih 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Jesus.


And to think I used to worship the man. I mean I'm 59 but at least when I cut the rug in the local Young Farmers Disco I look the part in my elasticated high waister cords and hush puppys.


'kinell. Your shirt-tail's hangin out man! 

Scruff.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

The fact that he's dancing to Jay Z makes it even better

[SinceSixtyFive]

The fact that he's dancing to Jay Z makes it even better

Who?

[Djimi Smicer34]

 

Decent moves for a big man.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Who?

Showing your age mate 

[Mr_Shane]

The Klopp.dance

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsGQXVslZ5h/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=pbitbahaf6ih 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Pressure in a title race? What pressure ?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

In the echo Klopp talked about having to find a position for Shaqiri as he is not ready to play as an 8, in the half space, defensively just yet.

[i6uuaq]

Found this on Reddit.

https://www.holdingmidfield.com/jurgen-klopps-liverpool/

Really detailed article on our tactics - counter-pressing, mid-block pressing, defending, attacking.... really comprehensive.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Thought this was interesting from Klopp on Shaqiri:

"We did have to find a position for (Shaqiri). That's a pretty good one, we tried it in a 4-3-3, he can't play there yet as a half-space midfielder. You don't want to force a player into a position, you want to show his strengths, not where he isn't good. Xherdan's main quality is obviously offensive - creating, shooting, finishes, being between the lines - and in a half-space position, there is a lot of defensive work. He can do that and he gets better day by day and maybe one day, he could play it like Phil could play it in the last half year he was here."

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11597280/liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-wants-to-enjoy-the-ride-of-premier-league-title-race

[DelTrotter]

"we tried it in a 4-3-3"

  All that arguing on here from people saying we've never played 4 3 3

[vagabond]

Thought this was interesting from Klopp on Shaqiri:

"We did have to find a position for (Shaqiri). That's a pretty good one, we tried it in a 4-3-3, he can't play there yet as a half-space midfielder. You don't want to force a player into a position, you want to show his strengths, not where he isn't good. Xherdan's main quality is obviously offensive - creating, shooting, finishes, being between the lines - and in a half-space position, there is a lot of defensive work. He can do that and he gets better day by day and maybe one day, he could play it like Phil could play it in the last half year he was here."

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11597280/liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-wants-to-enjoy-the-ride-of-premier-league-title-race

That's interesting because I thought we struggled anytime Phil played in the midfield 3. Perhaps I'm just misremembering but that Newcastle 1-1 away stands out for me. Phil scored a wonder goal but our attack seemed broken and our midfield was vacant for their goal.

[Roger Federer]

"we tried it in a 4-3-3"

  All that arguing on here from people saying we've never played 4 3 3

Couldn’t help but notice that too. If Klopp use it as a shorthand for the formation we played most of last year, it should be ok to do so on here as well, even if it isn’t a regular 4-3-3.

That's interesting because I thought we struggled anytime Phil played in the midfield 3. Perhaps I'm just misremembering but that Newcastle 1-1 away stands out for me. Phil scored a wonder goal but our attack seemed broken and our midfield was vacant for their goal.

He had some good games there, but I agree in general. He was a better player further forward under Klopp (he was excellent in Rodgers diamond formation deeper though, in the 13/14 run in).

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Couldn’t help but notice that too. If Klopp use it as a shorthand for the formation we played most of last year, it should be ok to do so on here as well, even if it isn’t a regular 4-3-3.

You can argue that he was talking about this season when trying the 4-3-3, his previous comments about formations were in regards to how we played last season.

[PhaseOfPlay]

"we tried it in a 4-3-3"

  All that arguing on here from people saying we've never played 4 3 3

Ahem -

"“We have a very strange 4-5-1 formation with Sadio as a midfielder, Bobby [Roberto Firmino] being a midfielder more or less and Mo [Salah] being a striker, even though he plays in a little different position."

from Klopp himself

[daggerdoo]

Ahem -

"“We have a very strange 4-5-1 formation with Sadio as a midfielder, Bobby [Roberto Firmino] being a midfielder more or less and Mo [Salah] being a striker, even though he plays in a little different position."

from Klopp himself

Yes, we use the 4-5-1 at times 

[SerbianScouser]

433 really is a very strange 451 formation.

[Roger Federer]

You can argue that he was talking about this season when trying the 4-3-3, his previous comments about formations were in regards to how we played last season.

Perhaps you’re right, but then again he mentions Coutinho, who of course has not been here this season. Either way, to say we’ve never played a 4-3-3 is not something Klopp seems to agree with.

And I haven’t even argued that it is a 4-3-3, but it’s the simplest way to describe the formation when we use 3 central midfielders behind Salah (still the striker, but off the right), Firmino (slightly more advanced than he’s been for most of this season, and no one directly ahead of him) and Mane on the left hand side. When Coutinho was here, a few times he was one of the midfielders, with Mane to his left, and then we also played the formation that is more similar to what we’ve used this year. When Mane was on the right, we had 2 central midfielders and Coutinho off the left with Firmino (droping deep) and Salah central.

It might be technically wrong to call the first 4-3-3 and the other 4-2-3-1 (or 4-4-1-1) but when talking about us, and when comparing the two and how we can play, I think that works. It is just a shorthand for the two, so you don’t have to write a tactical breakdown of his role every time you want to talk about our team.

For instance, we could play our 4-2-3-1 tonight, although our most recent one, with Keita in the ’halfspace’ on the left, Mane on the right and Firmino behind Salah central. But perhaps it will be the 4-3-3, with Henderson, Fabinho and Wijnaldum behind Salah, Firmino and Mane. Everyone would get the difference between the two without me having to mention every detail, right?

[DelTrotter]

Ahem -

"“We have a very strange 4-5-1 formation with Sadio as a midfielder, Bobby [Roberto Firmino] being a midfielder more or less and Mo [Salah] being a striker, even though he plays in a little different position."

from Klopp himself

Yep. And we also have Klopp saying we've tried 4 3 3 despite you insisting we haven't. Who to believe. 

[blacksun]

Just to add to the pedantry, he doesn't say he used Phil in a 4-3-3 he said he was trying to get Shaq to play in the half space like Phil did.

[Dr. Beaker]

It's a sort of Heiseberg's 4-3-3 if I'm reading things correctly - or then again, maybe it isn't.

[Tony19:6]

Question WFT is a half space ? I mean it's either a space or it's not right?

Bit like saying half a hole - no?

[PhaseOfPlay]

Yep. And we also have Klopp saying we've tried 4 3 3 despite you insisting we haven't. Who to believe. 

Nope, I said we don't really play a 4-3-3 despite that being how we are shown on TV. I have been saying everything that Klopp said that I quoted above, that Firmino is written as the #9 but plays as a #10, that Salah is written as the #7 but plays as the #9, and that Mane is written as the #11 but plays as a #8. In other words, the difference between shape and "formation".

But you'd have known that if you were an internet coach like me.

[Eeyore]

It's a sort of Heiseberg's 4-3-3 if I'm reading things correctly - or then again, maybe it isn't.

It reminds me of Castlemaine's X-X-X-X formation.

[SerbianScouser]

Biggest positive of last night for me is that we continue to play very good football in 4231 formation.

Think it's a big deal because as of late we're quietly starting to thrash teams regularly again, we look better balanced and our build-up play is much better compared to the shape we started the game and this season with. We could do with an easy win or two in January just to get over this tough defeat. Having 4 match winners on the pitch in theory should be too overwhelming for the likes of Brighton, Palace etc.

[Shaved Crossbar]

I don't think Naby fits into the midfield duo unless he displaces Gini, and that would be some going. Which means he's either got to be the 10 (aka Bobby spearhead, not ideal) or play on the left (where Naby is underwhelming).

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I don't think Naby fits into the midfield duo unless he displaces Gini, and that would be some going. Which means he's either got to be the 10 (aka Bobby spearhead, not ideal) or play on the left (where Naby is underwhelming).

Disagree. He's not a 10. He can play there but he's not a natural 10. You could play him alongside Wijnaldum or Keita, he's perfectly capable of playing in a two he's done at Leipzig.

[Tony19:6]

I don't think Naby fits into the midfield duo unless he displaces Gini, and that would be some going. Which means he's either got to be the 10 (aka Bobby spearhead, not ideal) or play on the left (where Naby is underwhelming).

He'll play alongside Fabinho in a double pivot IMO that is when he eventually gets up to speed.

[karrmadamaii]

But you'd have known that if you were an internet coach like me.

Is this remark even necessary? You've made your point(s) across multiple posts and threads.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Is this remark even necessary? You've made your point(s) across multiple posts and threads.

If you were reading across multiple posts and threads, then you'd know that "internet coach" is a very specific phrase DelTrotter uses.

[DG]

Found this on Reddit.

https://www.holdingmidfield.com/jurgen-klopps-liverpool/

Really detailed article on our tactics - counter-pressing, mid-block pressing, defending, attacking.... really comprehensive.

Happy to waste half an evening on this. Absolutely fantastic.

[Shaved Crossbar]

Disagree. He's not a 10. He can play there but he's not a natural 10. You could play him alongside Wijnaldum or Keita, he's perfectly capable of playing in a two he's done at Leipzig.

Don’t think Naby and Gini is a viable combo against all but the worst of teams. Klopp (correctly) likes some height and physicality in his midfield and that’s even more important in a 2. Gini and Naby could be alright in the air but only if one got on the other’s shoulders.  Gini is his direct competition, and Gini is Klopp’s favourite midfielder rn. Not that I’m panicking but Naby has got a hell of a task on his hands. Even at Leipzig, Naby played with Demme, a more defensive player like Hendo or Fab. Which is why I was looking at other positions for him, I agree that he’s not a natural 10.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Don’t think Naby and Gini is a viable combo against all but the worst of teams. Klopp (correctly) likes some height and physicality in his midfield and that’s even more important in a 2. Gini and Naby could be alright in the air but only if one got on the other’s shoulders.  Gini is his direct competition, and Gini is Klopp’s favourite midfielder rn. Not that I’m panicking but Naby has got a hell of a task on his hands. Even at Leipzig, Naby played with Demme, a more defensive player like Hendo or Fab. Which is why I was looking at other positions for him, I agree that he’s not a natural 10.

We won't always play in a 2 man midfield. There is a lot of shite teams in the league. And Wijnaldum can't play in all of them. Henderson Keita, Fabinho Keita, can work full well in a two as well. But in a 3 you can play him with anyone, as hes shown that at the start of the season

[PhaseOfPlay]

The interesting development of recent games is that when Henderson and Fabinho are on the pitch together, they take it in turns to cover each other, like an old school central midfield two. Which is also how Klopp's Dortmund double pivot played as well, with one being more defensive but not restricted in going forward, and the other being more attacking but expected to defend.

[Shaved Crossbar]

We won't always play in a 2 man midfield. There is a lot of shite teams in the league. And Wijnaldum can't play in all of them. Henderson Keita, Fabinho Keita, can work full well in a two as well. But in a 3 you can play him with anyone, as hes shown that at the start of the season

Seems fairly obvious that 4231 is our preferred/best formation, and one we’re more likely to play against the dross

[Peabee]

Question WFT is a half space ? I mean it's either a space or it's not right?

Bit like saying half a hole - no?

Every hyperplane divides a space (eg n-dimensional, Euclidean space etc) in half defining two closed half-spaces. Thus, a half-space is a portion of the space obtained by removing the part on one side of the hyperplane.