Author Topic: Fat Sham: Fried brown bread and egg on face (Read 102445 times)

Phil M · « **Reply #40 on:** July 12, 2016, 01:14:01 pm »

Quote from: Bunter on July 12, 2016, 01:12:41 pm

I could get behind the Big Sam England circus, it'll be a laugh and they probably won't win a thing.

I think we can be sure on that one mate.

dudleyred · « **Reply #41 on:** July 12, 2016, 01:32:18 pm »

Don't think Sam would do too badly to be fair. Let him have a crack. Everyone else has!!

My own choice would be Howe with Harry Redknapp as assistant

Phil M · « **Reply #42 on:** July 12, 2016, 01:41:06 pm »

Quote from: dudleyred on July 12, 2016, 01:32:18 pm

Don't think Sam would do too badly to be fair. Let him have a crack. Everyone else has!!

My own choice would be Howe with Harry Redknapp as assistant

Is it worth asking why pray tell?

plura · « **Reply #43 on:** July 12, 2016, 01:45:38 pm »

Quote from: Old No7 on July 12, 2016, 08:22:46 am

Laurent Blanc if the FA were willing to go foreign. The lack of any decent English candidate leads me to go for Eddie Howe if I had to, at least he's progressive & plays decent football

Thought the football he had PSG playing were dreadful at times, slow passing around type of games with some individual moments of magic getting them the points.

mallin9 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 12, 2016, 01:59:18 pm »

as an American I'm going to have to insist- Jurgen Klinsmann really is your best option. Don't look elsewhere, don't look at results with USA, and definitely don't ask any USA supporters for their opinion of him---just take him!

4pool · « **Reply #45 on:** July 12, 2016, 02:18:37 pm »

What I laugh at is the lack of memory.

When you look at who England have had for managers and the list includes loads of "English"

Taylor, Venables, Hoddle, Wilkinson, Keegan, Taylor....and then the outcry for failure to win was let's get a foreign manager.

Sven comes in, fails like the rest...Well he was foreign, let's get an English manager who knows our lads.

McClaren. That went well. So let's get the best available.

Capello. But one poor World Cup and let's get an experienced English manager.

Hodgson. Led England to their worst points tally in a World Cup. Kept his job. Won one match at Euro 2016. Finally sacked.

Now the media is on about making sure an Englishman is manager of England again.

Maybe they'll figure out those in charge are failures, don't pick a manager to build anything, and it makes no difference English or Foreign as manager if your players are average.

When one loses there are 20 excuses. A new band-aid for the problem doesn't change the problem.

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #46 on:** July 12, 2016, 02:31:45 pm »

Get the Big Sam in. He's not just Big Sam... he's THE Big Sam.

dudleyred · « **Reply #47 on:** July 12, 2016, 02:35:25 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on July 12, 2016, 01:41:06 pm

Is it worth asking why pray tell?

Haha I know he's not overly popular in here but he plays attacking football. Think he would play form players rather than reputation. Has worked with Howe at Bournemouth I believe. Give Howe some experience to lean on and leave him to it in a few years

Terry de Niro · « **Reply #48 on:** July 12, 2016, 06:32:56 pm »

England manager: Sam Allardyce a good choice, says David Gold

Sam Allardyce "would make a very good England manager", according to his former boss at West Ham, David Gold.

The Sunderland manager is favourite to succeed Roy Hodgson, who resigned after England's Euro 2016 exit.

It was reported this week that Allardyce, 61, would be interviewed for the role, but he is yet to be contacted by the Football Association.

"I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him," Hammers co-chairman Gold told BBC Radio 5 live.

"He is determined, he is ambitious. He's been in the business a long time.

"I think the most important thing from my point of view is that he's English."

Allardyce the 'master' of winning

Allardyce took charge at Sunderland in October and steered the club to Premier League safety.

The Black Cats finished 17th, one place and two points above the relegation zone, after losing only one of their final 11 league matches of the 2015-16 season.

Former Chelsea and England striker Chris Sutton said: "I think Allardyce has clout. He's proved himself. He gets the job done.

"If Euro 2016 has taught us anything, it's about learning how to win football matches and Sam Allardyce is the master.

"How he kept Sunderland up this season, I don't know, but it was an incredible achievement.

"He studies opposition's weaknesses, he knows his team's strengths and he plays to them. It's all about winning."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36766990

"It's all about winning"

Walshy nMe® · « **Reply #49 on:** July 12, 2016, 06:36:31 pm »

I think he'll do alright tbf.

It will be hilarious though. Can't wait for the twitter updates.

Ken-Obi · « **Reply #50 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:59:19 am »

Big Sam would get them back to the basics again - simple but effective football over gloss. I'd say he'd do far better than Hodgson.

elbow · « **Reply #51 on:** July 13, 2016, 06:11:41 am »

Quote from: Sheev-Palpatine on July 13, 2016, 05:59:19 am

Big Sam would get them back to the basics again - simple but effective football over gloss. I'd say he'd do far better than Hodgson.

His win ratio suggests otherwise. He's just Hodgson with a better twitter account.

Ken-Obi · « **Reply #52 on:** July 13, 2016, 07:09:58 am »

I apologise Marouane. You don't write off 35-years of experience.

_00_deathscar · « **Reply #53 on:** July 13, 2016, 09:31:28 am »

Quote from: mallin9 on July 12, 2016, 01:59:18 pm

as an American I'm going to have to insist- Jurgen Klinsmann really is your best option. Don't look elsewhere, don't look at results with USA, and definitely don't ask any USA supporters for their opinion of him---just take him!

Maybe not the best thread for it, but why the hate of Klinsmann? He's done okay with a very limited bunch of players.

Garry_LFC · « **Reply #54 on:** July 13, 2016, 09:36:50 am »

Big Sam, England Manager would be glorious. Please make it happen!

stoa · « **Reply #55 on:** July 13, 2016, 10:19:07 am »

It might be clichéd, but I really think you need a manager who is willing to do things his own way without being influenced by the media or the public. What seemed pretty obvious to me was that Roy had absolutely no clue about how to set his team up. He took the best players (or those with the highest stocks in public opinion) and just threw them on the pitch together in any way he could. That won't work. You had good players but no good team. A lot of that is down to the FA though. They need to be strong, get their guy and give him their full backing no matter what the press write or pundits on TV say...

Ray K · « **Reply #56 on:** July 13, 2016, 10:25:29 am »

Quote from: Garry_LFC on July 13, 2016, 09:36:50 am

Big Sam, England Manager would be glorious. Please make it happen!

Oh, it's happening. Sunderland statement:

Quote

The Football Association contacted Sunderland AFC to seek permission to speak with our manager as part of what was supposed to be a confidential discussion process with potential candidates for the position of England manager.

At Sam Allardyce’s request, we agreed to this.

Sam is very much key to our plans. After what was an extremely challenging season, we are keen to see a period of stability, both on and off the field, and we want him to remain as manager of our football club.

The ongoing speculation over Sam’s position is extremely damaging to Sunderland AFC, particularly at this crucial time of the season and we urge the FA to respect the disruption that this process is causing and bring about a swift resolution to the matter.

Hazell · « **Reply #57 on:** July 13, 2016, 10:48:32 am »

Roy Hodgson and Sam Allardyce. Same old, same old. I expect he'll do better than Hodgson, which admittedly isn't that difficult but expectations are always so huge that he'll invariably be classed as a failure.

They've been trying for a safe pair of hands for years and it's not worked (though there are deeper problems than just who the manager is), why not take more of a risk and try for someone who's a little different?

harleydanger · « **Reply #58 on:** July 13, 2016, 10:51:37 am »

Big Sam just for the twitter account material.

There's also the romance of an English manager, playing the English style. I.E lump it from wide onto Andy's head

Keita Success · « **Reply #59 on:** July 13, 2016, 10:52:05 am »

As an England fan, I wouldn't mind Allardici.

We've had Hodgson play turgid shite with absolutely no purpose, at least we know what Big Sam would do.

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #60 on:** July 13, 2016, 11:00:47 am »

Quote from: Something Stingy on July 13, 2016, 10:52:05 am

As an England fan, I wouldn't mind Allardici.

We've had Hodgson play turgid shite with absolutely no purpose, at least we know what Big Sam would do.

At least Pardew hasn't had a mention, yet. Theresa May, Big Sam, Donald Trump - 2016 the year of the unexpected (except England getting the boot early in a.any competition).

b_joseph · « **Reply #61 on:** July 13, 2016, 11:01:02 am »

It's like the FA is going out of its way to be a joke.

Imagine if any of us just so happened to buy Manchester United. We'd do all kinds of crazy stuff just for the lol's.

Wyl · « **Reply #62 on:** July 13, 2016, 11:12:39 am »

So this looks like it is happening. I think if he's his own man and does things his own way he could make a decent fist of it but then again it could be hilariously awful

No more pandering to the media, a clear 'style' and no interest in copying the flavour of the month, probably more likely to give players who deserve the call-up a go rather than those with the most twitter followers. How many of Lee Cattermole, Mark Noble, Jermain Defoe and Andy Carroll will be regulars I wonder.

carling · « **Reply #63 on:** July 13, 2016, 12:17:14 pm »

Jeez. Is it so difficult? Look at the teams who always do well in tournaments. Look at the players in those teams. Get a manager in who has had success with players of that calibre.

Or get a man in who hasn't even had success with players that are mid-table Premier League standard.

This is exactly what happens when the bar has been set incredibly low. A Hodgson speciality.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #64 on:** July 13, 2016, 12:24:37 pm »

Fat Sam. Winning without winning.

mr dudek · « **Reply #65 on:** July 13, 2016, 12:35:37 pm »

Love me some Fat Sam. Come on you Big Fat Sexy Sam!

He is going to piss-off all the international managers by out-tacticing them. The only drawback is - we won't be able to watch Fat Sam trump Guardiola in the league with his slick tactis.

thekremlin · « **Reply #66 on:** July 13, 2016, 12:44:19 pm »

Oh well, another few years of not being interested in England awaits. Mind, I'm not sure I can think of a better alternative. A sad indictment of so-called top-level English managers.

thekremlin · « **Reply #67 on:** July 13, 2016, 12:44:59 pm »

Pity Moyes isn't English. At least that would have been hilarious.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #68 on:** July 13, 2016, 01:24:43 pm »

The FA will never, ever learn.

SwordInYourGut · « **Reply #69 on:** July 13, 2016, 01:42:17 pm »

Butland
C.Dawson Shawcross Dann Baines
Milner Henderson Delph Townsend
Deeney
Carroll

Rich · « **Reply #70 on:** July 13, 2016, 01:49:17 pm »

I think he'll be an awful lot better than Hodgson; Roy had no idea what his best 11 was, how to set them out or what his style of play was.

We might not like Sam's football but at least he has a set plan that players will understand. It wouldn't have been pretty football but I'd have backed him to get better results again Russia, Slovakia and Iceland...

Phil M · « **Reply #71 on:** July 13, 2016, 02:04:41 pm »

Quote from: Rich on July 13, 2016, 01:49:17 pm

I think he'll be an awful lot better than Hodgson; Roy had no idea what his best 11 was, how to set them out or what his style of play was.

We might not like Sam's football but at least he has a set plan that players will understand. It wouldn't have been pretty football but I'd have backed him to get better results again Russia, Slovakia and Iceland...

No offence but that's the problem with English football summed up there for me, the ambiguous acceptance of future mediocrity.

mr dudek · « **Reply #72 on:** July 13, 2016, 02:54:34 pm »

Imagine if Fat Sam wins the world cup in russia, playing hoofball with Andy Caroll and Defoe in front & makes us all look like bellends?

HighSix · « **Reply #73 on:** July 13, 2016, 02:55:52 pm »

Its refreshing to see the FA pick a manager at a similar level to the squad.

The North Bank · « **Reply #74 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:02:18 pm »

Fat Sam would be a great appointment. We wont win anything but it'll be a great laugh.

Chakan · « **Reply #75 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:03:54 pm »

Fat Sam should get it, as a reward for all the hard work he's put in.

Miltonred · « **Reply #76 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:16:44 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on July 13, 2016, 10:48:32 am

Roy Hodgson and Sam Allardyce. Same old, same old. I expect he'll do better than Hodgson, which admittedly isn't that difficult but expectations are always so huge that he'll invariably be classed as a failure.

They've been trying for a safe pair of hands for years and it's not worked (though there are deeper problems than just who the manager is), why not take more of a risk and try for someone who's a little different?

Not a particular dig at you mate, but this idea seems to be gaining traction.
Hodgson got through qualifying by winning every single game. We have never done that. Where he fell down completely was in a tournament.

There is no reason to believe Allardyce would even do as well as the owl did in qualifying. His win percentage as a manager is shit. And there is no evidence that he would do better in a tounament.

This is Graham Taylor all over again and I do not like that!

Miltonred · « **Reply #77 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:32:30 pm »

Quote from: mr dudek on July 13, 2016, 02:54:34 pm

Imagine if Fat Sam wins the world cup in russia, playing hoofball with Andy Caroll and Defoe in front & makes us all look like bellends?

Its not going to happen. He can't win anything, or even get close in the league or cups, why is his tactics suddenly going to work at International level.

I mean it might work, but what evidence is there?

exiledintheUSA · « **Reply #78 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:33:26 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on July 13, 2016, 03:03:54 pm

Fat Sam should get it, as a reward for all the hard work he's put in.

What happens if Real Madrid come calling though....

Chakan · « **Reply #79 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:35:32 pm »

Quote from: exiledintheUSA on July 13, 2016, 03:33:26 pm

What happens if Real Madrid come calling though....

It'll be a tough choice honestly. I think the England job is tailor made for him.

Allardyce for England has a nice ring to it!