Topic: Should the UK keep the Royal Family?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

jumping the shark here...ridiculous assumptions.

you should have a few drinks with them

Done fuck all in life... can't take responsibility... think they're the smartest people in the room... Irrespective of what views are being talked about, the arrogance and contempt drips off these comments, sounds like the sort of attitude you'd expect from opinion piece from the Daily Mail, feckless, workshy paupers, give them a damn good trashing and they still don't know their place.

nah it’s not daily mail or Tory shit it’s an attitude of getting your house in order before blaming others

[hide5seek]

Done fuck all in life... can't take responsibility... think they're the smartest people in the room... Irrespective of what views are being talked about, the arrogance and contempt drips off these comments, sounds like the sort of attitude you'd expect from opinion piece from the Daily Mail, feckless, workshy paupers, give them a damn good trashing and they still don't know their place.

Agree. Unfortunately comes across as 'you're poor because you've not worked hard enough', 'politics of envy' and all other discourse designed to shut down criticism, very right wing way of thinking.

[Purple Red]

Do people really think getting rid of the Royal Family will bring about a better world.
Theres so much hate and anger in this country today and it's not just aimed at the Royal Family. lets get rid of the House of Lords. lets get rid of the EU. lets get rid of all these foreigners. lets rip up the Capitalist society etc etc.
Nothing will change until we get rid of selfish incompetent politicians and a right wing press all out to please their Billionaire bosses. we will still have poverty and homelessness even if we do get rid of all the above. in fact it would probably get worse.
We need a bit of stability in this country right now, this era is a nightmare.
Am not going to sing a chorus of all you need is love but the black preacher said it all yesterday. a bit of love and compassion by the whole country would bring about massive change, never going to happen of course,the country is crying out for massive change and it's all fueled by anger and ignorance, that change will be make this a far worse place.

Very good post. It's all well and good being against the institution of monarchy but there are better ways of expressing than vitriolic comments calling them inbred, parasitical leeches etc. Spite rarely breeds anything positive. I tend to read well thought out and reasoned arguments on both sides of the various debates we have in the country today, but the soundbite Twitter generation add nothing. Personally I think the monarchy are relatively harmless compared to some of the more insidious influences we have in society today.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

its people who blame everyone but themselves for their failings in life instead of looking in the mirror

And I’m not talking about people who dislike them, it’s the ones who have a passionate hate of them who I’ve always find have this attitude to them and people who’ve perceived to have done well in life
have i? Didn’t know you polled them all

You don't need to poll them. I stated Every Socialist in Liverpool who isn't a Royalist.

So - that's every Socialist - who isn't a Royalist.

[the 92A]

you should have a few drinks with them ;)nah it’s not daily mail or Tory shit it’s an attitude of getting your house in order before blaming others

Are you serious, don't you think it's time to stop digging. You can tell very little about a person from their opinion on Royalty, I know royalists who would fit quite nicely into the Daily Mail's stereotype of the workshy working classes, I know strident anti-royalists who are Doctors, professors and professional people. It's absurd to pretend that royalists or anti royalists come from any section of the populace. The idea that the envy of underachievers is what motivates strident anti royal opinion is not born out in reality

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Are you serious, don't you think it's time to stop digging. You can tell very little about a person from their opinion on Royalty, I know royalists who would fit quite nicely into the Daily Mail's stereotype of the workshy working classes, I know strident anti-royalists who are Doctors, professors and professional people. It's absurd to pretend that royalists or anti royalists come from any section of the populace. The idea that the envy of underachievers is what motivates strident anti royal opinion is not born out in reality

stop digging? You do know my post is in reference to a certain anti royalist group not all of them right? As in the virulent hate lot?

[the 92A]

stop digging? You do know my post is in reference to a certain anti royalist group not all of them right? As in the virulent hate lot?

Might of missed it but first mention of virulent that I've seen in the conversation. Depends on your definition of hate but some of the most strident anti royalists I've come across were middle class academics

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Might of missed it but first mention of virulent that I've seen in the conversation. Depends on your definition of hate but some of the most strident anti royalists I've come across were middle class academics

Aye workshy lazy fops according to Laughter...

[Titi Camara]

Should the UK keep the Royal Family?

Yes, in kennels.

[cloggypop]

Should the UK keep the Royal Family?

Yes, in kennels.

you are just an idle layabout who needs to get on your bike and cycle around europe until you find your own prince. stop being jealous of other people and their success and start looking in the mirror at yourself first. pull yourself up by your bootstraps boy. you should be inspired by the hard working royal family who deserve all the success and wealth they have.

[stewy17]

I voted and would vote to abolish the monarchy.

I don't have a particular hatred for any individual but I have serious issues with the fact that anyone in this country can be born into wealth, privilege and status and then heralded by large swathes of the population.

I agree that there are bigger fish to fry than abolishing the monarchy but I also truly believe that we'll never have a fully progressive, ambitious and autonomous society without removing them. I think it affects the psyche of a large % of our population and I think it's the same reason that a lot of people trust the good ol' Eton boys to run the country when in fact a lot of them are incompetent and have no understanding of what it's like to be a working or middle class person in the UK.

For me, it's not about the money they cost or jealousy of their privilege or lifestyle. I simply believe that if we are to abolish class in our society then we need to cut the head off the class system and you've got to start at the overlords.

Yours Truly,
A bitter loser who has achieved nothing in life.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Might of missed it but first mention of virulent that I've seen in the conversation. Depends on your definition of hate but some of the most strident anti royalists I've come across were middle class academics

go look at the original post I responded to not other people taking it as meaning all who are against it are like that

[oldfordie]

Very good post. It's all well and good being against the institution of monarchy but there are better ways of expressing than vitriolic comments calling them inbred, parasitical leeches etc. Spite rarely breeds anything positive. I tend to read well thought out and reasoned arguments on both sides of the various debates we have in the country today, but the soundbite Twitter generation add nothing. Personally I think the monarchy are relatively harmless compared to some of the more insidious influences we have in society today.

Thanks. thought I would take a lot of stick for it to be honest. Ive no problem people wanting to get rid of the monarchy, it's just the way people make the case against anything they don't like today. they attack with some horrible abuse and people jump on the bandwagon before you know it becomes the norm. people are being influenced by absolute s..  Ive not read one negative about Harrys new wife but it dosen't stop people ripping her apart. this just dosen't apply to the Royal Family, it applies to many issues, no solid argument they have just been influenced by negative s,..., it's so easy for people to just join in as long as you agree with the main point.
It doesn't just apply to right wing people it also applies to left wingers and I think that's the point Laughter was making.
If people can give a solid point why the abuse is justified then no problem, ripped many people apart myself am sure but I would like to think I could point out why the person deserved the abuse.

[thejbs]

Thanks. thought I would take a lot of stick for it to be honest. Ive no problem people wanting to get rid of the monarchy, it's just the way people make the case against anything they don't like today. they attack with some horrible abuse and people jump on the bandwagon before you know it becomes the norm. people are being influenced by absolute s..  Ive not read one negative about Harrys new wife but it dosen't stop people ripping her apart. this just dosen't apply to the Royal Family, it applies to many issues, no solid argument they have just been influenced by negative s,..., it's so easy for people to just join in as long as you agree with the main point.
It doesn't just apply to right wing people it also applies to left wingers and I think that's the point Laughter was making.
If people can give a solid point why the abuse is justified then no problem, ripped many people apart myself am sure but I would like to think I could point out why the person deserved the abuse.

I think it's really unfair to portray all Republicans as being nasty towards the royals. I haven't said one negative thing about Harry or Meaghan.  They both seem like decent people.  Harry is quite likeable. I just despise the very idea of royalty.  It has no place in 2018, especially as there are constitutional alternatives that are more representative of the country. And it's galling to see public money flaunted so frivolously at a time when people use food banks.

I say this as a hard working person who's never claimed benefits and runs their own business, not that it should matter.

[vagabond]

nah based on experience and those I know who passionately hate the royals are people who have done fuck all in life, can’t take any responsibility for themselves but still think they’re the smartest guy in the room possibly because they’re the only ones that have their batshit opinions on many things

Anecdotal fallacy.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I think it's really unfair to portray all Republicans as being nasty towards the royals

he isn’t though, he’s referring to one specific segment but many on here have taken that as all republicans

[Andy @ Allerton!]

go look at the original post I responded to not other people taking it as meaning all who are against it are like that

Thanks. thought I would take a lot of stick for it to be honest. Ive no problem people wanting to get rid of the monarchy, it's just the way people make the case against anything they don't like today. they attack with some horrible abuse and people jump on the bandwagon before you know it becomes the norm. people are being influenced by absolute s..  Ive not read one negative about Harrys new wife but it dosen't stop people ripping her apart. this just dosen't apply to the Royal Family, it applies to many issues, no solid argument they have just been influenced by negative s,..., it's so easy for people to just join in as long as you agree with the main point.
It doesn't just apply to right wing people it also applies to left wingers and I think that's the point Laughter was making.
If people can give a solid point why the abuse is justified then no problem, ripped many people apart myself am sure but I would like to think I could point out why the person deserved the abuse.

£32M of public money spent

60 people died last year on the streets because they haven't got a home.

The NHS is being dangerously underfunded

Fire Services are being dangerously underfunded

The Police are being dangerously underfunded

Councils are being totally underfunded (In Labour Areas)

Millions are using foodbanks

Thousands are being made homeless because of Landlords pushing their rent through the roof

And the list goes on

[oldfordie]

I think it's really unfair to portray all Republicans as being nasty towards the royals. I haven't said one negative thing about Harry or Meaghan.  They both seem like decent people.  Harry is quite likeable. I just despise the very idea of royalty.  It has no place in 2018, especially as there are constitutional alternatives that are more representative of the country. And it's galling to see public money flaunted so frivolously at a time when people use food banks.

I say this as a hard working person who's never claimed benefits and runs their own business, not that it should matter.

Thats fair enough. Ive also never said all people who dislike our monarchy are being nasty. I can understand why people think it's all a big waste of money and it could be spent elsewhere but lets not kid ourselves where the real problem lies. the real villains are getting away with murder because people are falling for populist shite.
The properganda is mostly based on horrible finger pointing to make people hate whatever the political puppets want them to hate. it's shocking how easy people get influanced by horrible meaningless insults.
Lets do away with the Monarchy and we can spend the money on the NHS etc type arguments that's ruining politics today.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Thats fair enough. Ive also never said all people who dislike our monarchy are being nasty. I can understand why people think it's all a big waste of money and it could be spent elsewhere but lets not kid ourselves where the real problem lies. the real villains are getting away with murder because people are falling for populist shite.
The properganda is mostly based on horrible finger pointing to make people hate whatever the political puppets want them to hate. it's shocking how easy people get influanced by horrible meaningless insults.
Lets do away with the Monarchy and we can spend the money on the NHS etc type arguments that's ruining politics today.

But it's galling for people to be scraping by or in some cases dying - in many cases suffering from malnutrition which will likely affect them for their whole lives when we see money spunked away like this.

It's all part of the jolly ho! idea of the 'Nobility' and 'Royalty' - can't afford money for schools or hospitals or nurses or doctors or teachers or the rest - they're for the oiks! Let's spend money on fabby parties, royal weddings, garden bridges, tunnels across the channel and all the other crap while other people have to live in the real world with real money and food and housing worries.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

£32M of public money spent

60 people died last year on the streets because they haven't got a home.

The NHS is being dangerously underfunded

Fire Services are being dangerously underfunded

The Police are being dangerously underfunded

Councils are being totally underfunded (In Labour Areas)

Millions are using foodbanks

Thousands are being made homeless because of Landlords pushing their rent through the roof

And the list goes on

and how much did the event bring to the taxpayer and local economy? And how much of those problems you listed would be significantly affected by £32m assuming it had zero impact on the local economy and hmrc?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

But it's galling for people to be scraping by or in some cases dying - in many cases suffering from malnutrition which will likely affect them for their whole lives when we see money spunked away like this.

It's all part of the jolly ho! idea of the 'Nobility' and 'Royalty' - can't afford money for schools or hospitals or nurses or doctors or teachers or the rest - they're for the oiks! Let's spend money on fabby parties, royal weddings, garden bridges, tunnels across the channel and all the other crap while other people have to live in the real world with real money and food and housing worries.

pretty much all research has them as net contributors so ironically getting rid would lead to things being even worse for those struggling

[oldfordie]

£32M of public money spent

60 people died last year on the streets because they haven't got a home.

The NHS is being dangerously underfunded

Fire Services are being dangerously underfunded

The Police are being dangerously underfunded

Councils are being totally underfunded (In Labour Areas)

Millions are using foodbanks

Thousands are being made homeless because of Landlords pushing their rent through the roof

And the list goes on

Yeah lets make a direct link to poverty and homelessness to Royalty just as we did with leaving the EU, nothing to do with idiots falling for right wing properganda shit thats stopped Labour from making real change for decades.
Others have made points on how the Royals contribute to our economy but do you really think any money saved if there was any would be spent eradicating poverty. do you think for one second all those Royal palaces and Stately homes would become homeless hostels or flats.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I voted and would vote to abolish the monarchy.

I don't have a particular hatred for any individual but I have serious issues with the fact that anyone in this country can be born into wealth, privilege and status and then heralded by large swathes of the population.

I agree that there are bigger fish to fry than abolishing the monarchy but I also truly believe that we'll never have a fully progressive, ambitious and autonomous society without removing them. I think it affects the psyche of a large % of our population and I think it's the same reason that a lot of people trust the good ol' Eton boys to run the country when in fact a lot of them are incompetent and have no understanding of what it's like to be a working or middle class person in the UK.

For me, it's not about the money they cost or jealousy of their privilege or lifestyle. I simply believe that if we are to abolish class in our society then we need to cut the head off the class system and you've got to start at the overlords.

Yours Truly,
A bitter loser who has achieved nothing in life.

This!

All the nitty-gritty arguments about the financial costs and benefits are besides the point. The very idea of a Royal Family is so diametrically opposed to equity, this surely trumps the relatively minor arguments about finances. Yes, bigger fish to fry right now, but this kind of privilege is so very wrong.

[Purple Red]

and how much did the event bring to the taxpayer and local economy? And how much of those problems you listed would be significantly affected by £32m assuming it had zero impact on the local economy and hmrc?

You could make an argument for cancelling all big football events because they have to be policed and cost governments lots of money when you add it up. I think the point that is being made here is that the language of so much modern discourse is so toxic. You can debate about politics without calling someone a looney leftie, Commie scum bag, fascist gammon head or whatever. Even if feelings are running high, that type of languages always detracts from your argument.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

You could make an argument for cancelling all big football events because they have to be policed and cost governments lots of money when you add it up.

pretty sure the clubs get billed for police costs, but yeah the toxicity is the problem

[Purple Red]

pretty sure the clubs get billed for police costs, but yeah the toxicity is the problem

Didn't actually realise that. Though I'd imagine things like the World Cup etc. are the government's responsibility?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Didn't actually realise that. Though I'd imagine things like the World Cup etc. are the government's responsibility?

oh world cups are a totally different ball of wax, what fifa did to Brazil and south African legislatures was terrible

[ShakaHislop]

Spot the c*nt.

https://twitter.com/livsmithy/status/997793085244485632

[hide5seek]

Spot the c*nt.

https://twitter.com/livsmithy/status/997793085244485632

I'm not on twitter, but someone needs to tell the thick bugger that benefit fraud (which she claims she is on about) is a very small amount according to governments own figures.

[OOS]

Not really, we live in a democratic meritocracy society. Strong believer in equal opportunities with a balance of personal responsibility. We should level the playing field at birth to allow everyone the chance to become what they want, albeit in a sustainable economically way. If able to, everyone should support themselves but when that is not possible for a myriad of reasons, the state should step in and intervene. That's the Britain I believe in.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Not really, we live in a democratic meritocracy society. Strong believer in equal opportunities with a balance of personal responsibility. We should level the playing field at birth to allow everyone the chance to become what they want, albeit in a sustainable economically way. If able to, everyone should support themselves but when that is not possible for a myriad of reasons, the state should step in and intervene. That's the Britain I believe in.

its why they need to invest heavily in early years education as that makes a huge difference, not eliminate student fees. But 4 years can’t vote so it won’t happen.

[thejbs]

its why they need to invest heavily in early years education as that makes a huge difference, not eliminate student fees. But 4 years can’t vote so it won’t happen.

We need both, really.

[thejbs]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/17/offshore-wind-auction-could-raise-millions-for-queen?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Nice little passive earner for the privileged.

[stewil007]

I think it was quite telling at the Cricket on sunday, when the players were given their winners medal and they went down the line of handshakes, i would say 95% of the players didn't realise the bloke at the end was Prince Andrew, cursory handshake and moved on, hardly a word spoken as much as Prince Andrew tried to say something.

If it was Charlie, or Wills, I'm sure they would have stopped and talked.  there's recognisable and then there's the others.

[rob1966]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/17/offshore-wind-auction-could-raise-millions-for-queen?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Nice little passive earner for the privileged.

Its about time all the land was taken off them, owning all that land and seabed because some long ago relative robbed and murdered people.

[TepidT2O]

This is a curious one.

The sea beds being part of crown estates is surely just an anachronism. Probably decided about 150 years ago as a legal issue.

I suspect common sense will pertain and all revenues will go to the tax payer.

[Ray K]

I think it was quite telling at the Cricket on sunday, when the players were given their winners medal and they went down the line of handshakes, i would say 95% of the players didn't realise the bloke at the end was Prince Andrew, cursory handshake and moved on, hardly a word spoken as much as Prince Andrew tried to say something.

If it was Charlie, or Wills, I'm sure they would have stopped and talked.  there's recognisable and then there's the others.

Can't blame the players for not wanting to be seen talking to one of Jeffrey Epstein's closest mates.

[tinner777]

and how much did the event bring to the taxpayer and local economy? And how much of those problems you listed would be significantly affected by £32m assuming it had zero impact on the local economy and hmrc?

ok 32m, how much did the bedroom tax or the disability checks net for the economy??

[bigbonedrawky]

Can't blame the players for not wanting to be seen talking to one of Jeffrey Epstein's closest mates.

Thats what I thought when I first read it... but in the UK it's seen as getting into CT territory to mention it. 

[So… Howard Philips]

Thats what I thought when I first read it... but in the UK it's seen as getting into CT territory to mention it.

What's CT territory?