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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1160 on: August 5, 2015, 01:04:59 pm »
Go Dion Dublin ;D

(except the Utd winning the title thing..)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33764700

You know, looking at the finishing league tables for the last 5yrs, 3 of those 5 years has been the expected Top 4 in random order - Arsenal, City, Utd and Chelsea.

However in 2 of the last 5 seasons one of those teams have dropped out of top 4.  Utd and Chelsea, and another team has jumped in - Spurs and Liverpool.

What i'm trying to say is its certainly not unheard of for one of the clubs outside the usual top 4, but within the top 6, to make top 4, even in recent seasons.

Its by no means a given regardless of what those punters say.

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« Reply #1161 on: August 5, 2015, 01:07:38 pm »
How many times does the team that starts the season end up being the one that ends it? We have no idea how the season will pan out with form and injuries. Anyone thinking players like him and Sakho are now going to get the boot need to get real.

I've personally never alluded to either players getting the boot.

I think Sakho will play a lot this season.

I'd like to think Lucas will too but I have my doubts.

Nothing to do with what I think of him.  Personally I think he's an essential cog.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1162 on: August 5, 2015, 01:07:46 pm »
Expectations? Win everything, same as the start of every season.  ;D

In reality, I'd love Brendan to go all out to win the Europa League. We're all desperate to win something and we also want CL footy, so to kill 2 birds with 1 stone would be sweet. League wise, I think we are now well equipped to challenge for a top 3 place and maybe more.

If Brendans future is based on this coming season, whether we win a cup or not wont matter, it'll be the season as a whole. Not point winning the League Cup if you finish 30 pts off top and go out of the Europa in the group stages and it wont matter if we win nothing if we play well and put in a title challenge that last til the end as per 13/14.

In terms of the league it surely has to be a points expectation. To be fair to Rodgers he does mention points and goals targets so its probably what is happening. The other squads are probably a bit stronger but this squad is capable of hitting the points totals that usually will result in CL football. So if we do that and still don't come 4th then Rodgers can talk about par but at the moment he has to ensure we hit 70+ points.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1163 on: August 5, 2015, 01:08:57 pm »
You know, looking at the finishing league tables for the last 5yrs, 3 of those 5 years has been the expected Top 4 in random order - Arsenal, City, Utd and Chelsea.

However in 2 of the last 5 seasons one of those teams have dropped out of top 4.  Utd and Chelsea, and another team has jumped in - Spurs and Liverpool.

What i'm trying to say is its certainly not unheard of for one of the clubs outside the usual top 4, but within the top 6, to make top 4, even in recent seasons.

Its by no means a given regardless of what those punters say.

It definitely isn't a given. Its tough but there is no way our squad needs a disaster in one of the top four teams to get into the top four.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1164 on: August 5, 2015, 01:15:46 pm »
- A top four finish.
- At least one trophy.
- Our new signings to all play a part; on paper I think this summer has been our best recruitment for a long time.
- Rodgers to disprove his doubters and get his first win over Mourinho.
- Jordan Rossiter to take his first real steps toward becoming a first-team regular.
- Jordon Ibe to firmly establish himself as one of the best young talents in the country.
- Joe Gomez to be knocking on the door for England having adapted seamlessly to PL football.


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« Reply #1165 on: August 5, 2015, 01:28:54 pm »
Seen today that 1 out of 18 match of the day / BBC pundits have predicted we'll make top 4.

That one being Dion Dublin who also said United will come first.



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« Reply #1166 on: August 5, 2015, 01:33:11 pm »
Seen today that 1 out of 18 match of the day / BBC pundits have predicted we'll make top 4.

That one being Dion Dublin who also said United will come first.

I don't think United will get anywhere near the title. I think it'll be Arsenal or Chelsea and then a 3 way scrap for 3rd and 4th between ourselves and the 2 Manc teams. I think City will have a bad year and will be the most vulnerable to drop out of the top 4. Serves Sterling right, the money grabbing tosser

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1168 on: August 5, 2015, 01:38:41 pm »
So we are nailed on top 4 then.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1169 on: August 5, 2015, 01:41:51 pm »
In terms of the league it surely has to be a points expectation. To be fair to Rodgers he does mention points and goals targets so its probably what is happening. The other squads are probably a bit stronger but this squad is capable of hitting the points totals that usually will result in CL football. So if we do that and still don't come 4th then Rodgers can talk about par but at the moment he has to ensure we hit 70+ points.

Yeah, I suppose the owners will have set a target for points that they are happy to achieve, if we exceed 70, then thats 9+ points over last season.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1170 on: August 5, 2015, 01:43:28 pm »
Man City are being ludicrously under rated at the moment

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« Reply #1171 on: August 5, 2015, 01:44:32 pm »
I think they are overrated.If we make top 4 it will be at the expense of either City or Man Utd.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1172 on: August 5, 2015, 02:02:12 pm »
I think they are overrated.If we make top 4 it will be at the expense of either City or Man Utd.


City and United aren't remotely comparable if you look at any of their under lying numbers from last year
People are being influenced by City's disappointing end to the season

We're not a favourite to finish in the top 4 at all but if we do it's most likely to be at the expense of United

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« Reply #1173 on: August 5, 2015, 02:22:13 pm »
Man City are being ludicrously under rated at the moment

I agree after seeing the BBC predictions but at the same time they have got an ageing squad and other than Sterling did nothing significant to address it this summer.

They still have goals from several areas. Bony, Aguero, Toure, Silva, Sterling alone should manage 60 - 70 goals.

To be honest they could go either way. Definitely not outside the top 4 though, somewhere between 1st and 3rd. The only club I could realistically see finishing above Chelsea.

I think arsenal will be between 2nd and 4th and both ourselves and United between 3rd and 5th.
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1174 on: August 5, 2015, 02:22:21 pm »
Man City are being ludicrously under rated at the moment

Not by UEFA  ;D

"Manchester United have discovered the full cost of missing out on Champions League football last season by falling to 20th position in Uefa’s club coefficient rankings -- four places below neighbours Manchester City."

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1175 on: August 5, 2015, 02:26:15 pm »
I think there are many reasons to be optimistic about the defense actually. Clyne and Milner are significant upgrades on last season's Johnson and Gerrard, defensively. Most of the defenders are fit. Lovren can only get better.

The main risk is that Brendan screws up defense again by leaving Lucas and Sakho on the bench. That could even prompt them to leave, which would be a huge mistake. I hope Rodgers goes for defensive solidity, especially at the beginning of the season when the new attacking players are adapting. Most fans remember the spring from 13/14, but the start was absolutely crucial that season. We didn't play very well, but worked hard and got some vital 1-0 wins. That's where we should try to start now.

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« Reply #1176 on: August 5, 2015, 02:46:34 pm »
City and United aren't remotely comparable if you look at any of their under lying numbers from last year
People are being influenced by City's disappointing end to the season

We're not a favourite to finish in the top 4 at all but if we do it's most likely to be at the expense of United

I think there's a possibility of that slump carrying into this season as well. It's pretty much accepted now that Pellegrini will see out this year then City will go after Guardiola big time.

City are a completely different animal when Aguero plays, but his injury problems are almost as common as Sturridges'. Some bad luck would drop City a few levels, and if they stop challenging for the title and end up in a scrap for fourth, how will the mercenaries in the squad react? Especially knowing that the manager is on his way soon

But I do expect Sterling to hit the ground running, and assuming that Aguero stays fit then they should be absolutely fine

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1177 on: August 5, 2015, 03:15:22 pm »
Lucas and Sakho to be marginalised again for the first half of the season until results make it untenable for them not to be included in the team.  Results improve but both leave in the January window............you heard it here first!

Sakho has started ~80% of the games he's been available for since he came here, and most of the games he's missed were in his first year. OH POOR SAKHO SO MARGINALIZED.

The only reason people think Sakho was marginalized last year was because everyone collectively invented a story that the club was faking an injury to Sakho when Sakho was actually, you know, injured.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1178 on: August 5, 2015, 03:33:18 pm »
Man City are being ludicrously under rated at the moment

They have failed to upgrade in centre midfield and defence. If say they were to add Pogba and Otamendi to supplement that attack they have, then they would be some side.

At this moment in time, they seem strangely inactive in the market and look like they'll be handing Toure regular game time this season. It's bemusing how they haven't failed to sign an outstanding centre midfielder yet.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1179 on: August 5, 2015, 03:36:14 pm »
Man City are being ludicrously under rated at the moment
Yeah. If Costa's injuries become at all chronic, City are serious title favorites IMO.

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« Reply #1180 on: August 5, 2015, 03:36:19 pm »
With the performance of the club last season being generally agreed as disappointing, I think there has been an excellent reaction from the Senior Leaders/Owners to address the short comings.

There clearly had to be changes in the tactical management team to 'freshen up', not to mention to placate us lot - job done, at a good pace while maintaining the core strategy. Impressive.

The majority of the weaknesses with the squad have been addressed with the introduction of some strong new players - again early on to allow as much prep time as possible. Good work. There clearly is a little tidying up to do of the squad, but I am less concerned about the pace of outgoings than incomings, so with the hard work that has been going on elsewhere, it would suggest this is on the radar of the appropriate person/people (Ayre?)

Rogers has stayed, which i'm pleased about - I'm a big fan on continuity at a top management/strategy level. He has all the resources to do the job now. So I will be supporting him and the squad as ever as long as he's at the helm...

Which all adds up to the expectations for the 15/16 season. I think it must be top 4 and a cup. I think that this is the club expectation, I think this is what Brendan has signed up for. I think this is the focus for all and assume that would have been communicated throughout the club.

My expectations for the club are the same - Although this is stuff I would love to see, rather than what I expect..

I'm a big fan of processes and enjoyment so my real expectations are that we play well, that the Anfield and Away support are the best in the league and that all Players, Coaches, Manager, and Owners (who really should come to Anfield more often in my view) all work hard and give everything they've got to get top 4 and a cup.. i'm sure by us all concentrating on that stuff game by game for the season we will get the top 4 and cup without even focusing on that target specifically.

**Note the three things above I would like to see this season have a strong affiliation - WE, THE SUPPORTERS/FANS HAVE A BIG PART TO PLAY in the success of the team. Tell those sat next to you in the stands/pubs/sofa that**

EDIT > haha..i've just been reminded that I have, on occasion, been 'quite frustrated' at some of our players - however always in private (100 yards from the ground rule - I remember having to stop walking with a friend on the way up to the ground to finish a quite damning season review of one S. Downing!) - so feel free to strike sofa from the list above!
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« Reply #1181 on: August 5, 2015, 04:26:37 pm »
Yeah. If Costa's injuries become at all chronic, City are serious title favorites IMO.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1182 on: August 5, 2015, 06:06:23 pm »
An attacking line-up.

Firmino  Benteke  Sturridge(Ibe)

Coutinho

Henderson  Milner

Moreno  Sakho  Skrtel  Clyne

Mignolet

IF Firmino (I think Ibe will start instead for a few games) hits the the ground running AND IF Sturridge returns as the player he was - that's one hell of a frightening front four.

Add in the work rate of the middle two and it really is a fine 11 to put out.


A more conservative approach

Coutinho  Benteke  Sturridge(Ibe)

Henderson  Milner
Leiva

Gomez  Sakho  Skrtel  Clyne

Mignolet

Rumors are ripe of Gomez starting on Sunday and it would not surprise me. He's quick and actually looks like a defender.

Lucas needs to start a lot of away games.

The rest of the squad


Adam Bogdan
Andre Wisdom
Kolo Touré    
Dejan Lovren    
Joe Allen
Lucas Leiva
Lazar Markovic
João Carlos Teixeira
Divick Origi
Danny Ings
Cameron Brannagan
Sheyi Ojo
Jon Flanagan

I'm really hoping that the last name on the list proves to be an important part of a top 4 season. That previous IF - the one about Sturridge - will probably be the difference in making, or missing out on, the top 4.
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1183 on: August 5, 2015, 06:09:11 pm »
Sturridge is a humongous if. He may not be available, or he may be available for at least three quarters of the season and hit 20 goals, and we all know how that turned out.

Too many uncertainties there though

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1184 on: August 5, 2015, 06:25:31 pm »


Good post. The first eleven's attack could certainly compete on all fronts, and could even be rotated with two up top and having Firmino at the tip of the diamond. If we can keep hold of these players for long enough we will be back in the top four very soon.

What worries me is the defence - it's at least a year off the attack in terms of added quality. Clyne is a fine signing. Skrtel and Sakho were part of that horrific defence for a large chunk of the 13/14. I'm not saying we can't get top four with them - I'd say they're on par with United's centre halves - but their quality as a pair is uncertain (and let's not get to Lovren). Gomez looks an exciting prospect but he's 18 years old! If he's good enough we should just play him alongside Skrtel. If we had a player at the quality of, say, Ivanovic or Kompany, the burden on a brand new attack line would be reduced.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1185 on: August 5, 2015, 07:03:35 pm »
Obvious upgrades on LY....
1- Clyne at RB.
2- Milner in midfield (love Stevie but he hardly played and when he did it wasn't always his best games).
3- Fit strikers - Benteke, Origi and Ings (then daniel- we'll always have one mostly two to choose from)
4- Coutinho/ Firmino partnership - this is a critical improvement in attack. Having two players who can pick out that critical pass, and be creative.
5-  Jordan Ibe, the kid is ready, he is very influential in games, and he won't have to play wing back.

Seeing all that, and thinking of a couple of possibilities that might happen also (Solid defence - Sakho playing more, Daniel coming back and being a 1 in two striker), I genuinely think we are in much better shape than last season.

Remember we stunk for two long periods of last season, the first three months and the last two, and still we were very much in touch at the beginning of March. Even if we have a slow start with some tough away fixtures where a point isn't a bad result, I think we can push on, and be genuine top four contenders. We have much better depth too.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1186 on: August 5, 2015, 07:08:31 pm »
A good number of mid-table PL teams are signing some really quality players. I suspect that the quality of the rest of the league might go up. Players like Mitrovic at New Castle, Dimitri Payet at West Ham, Yaan M'Villa at Sunderland possibly, Swansea have signed a few good ones.
Stoke have signed some quality players.
I suspect these teams will be able to upset teams who are not properly organized. I fear that we could face lots of tough matches against supposedly easy teams.
With the TV money, the quality of the league is harder than ever. Rodgers really has an uphill task, and we need to find our rhythm quickly.

I have not go the full measure of the quality of the mid table signings made, except that I note you include Stoke in that list, and I spent a while in their fan forum yesterday to get a snapshot of how they saw themselves and they all seemed to think they had missed their main targets. We definitely look like the team who did the best business, as we got it all done early, and that is the model of how to do it. Teams who did that in other years have usually got the most from the signings in the new season. Villa have spent a fifth of the Benteke money on Gestede, and have sold others as well. Newcastle will also not have done enough to make themselves mid table in my view, unless McLaren turns out to be a miracle worker.
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1187 on: August 5, 2015, 07:29:03 pm »
He's bathing in horse placenta for the new season as we speak.

I think Chelsea are seriously lacking up front, Costas injury prone, Remys an ok player and Falcao   is finished. Even Joses mind games cant cover this issue up. The question is whether anyone else has improved enough to make any inroads as they were so far ahead of everyone else.

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« Reply #1188 on: August 5, 2015, 07:53:41 pm »
Here's  my wish list for the season. Mightn't be in the right place, but because I reckon our performance affects the team performance, I'll put it here all the same.
1)I'd like to think that our home support gets behind the team more than it did most of last season and cuts back on the whinging when things aren't going well.
2) Unrealistic,I know, but I'd love all mobiles switched off and pocketed while the game's on.
3)  A life ban  ( ;) ) for anyone either using a friggin' selfie stick and for anyone not belting their lungs out if they have a ticket on the Kop. If singing's not for them,then do one.The Kop's not for them either.
4) In an ideal world, I'd like people to stop bollocking whoever happens to be the unfortunate scapegoat that week.
5) I'd love all of our supporters to respect our own, and stop abusing people who didn't have the good fortune to be born in our city. We can't boast about our wonderful Aussie/Malaysian etc. support one minute,and start laying into people for being wools /OOTers the next.
I also reckon that Lucas' and Toure's contributions are worth their weight in gold even if their playing time might be limited.
Sorry if this post should be in another thread.

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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1189 on: August 5, 2015, 08:58:22 pm »


What worries me is the defence - it's at least a year off the attack in terms of added quality. Clyne is a fine signing.
This season is huge. Sink or swim for Brendan - and I think we'll finish fourth.

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« Reply #1190 on: August 5, 2015, 11:47:33 pm »
I think Chelsea are seriously lacking up front, Costas injury prone, Remys an ok player and Falcao   is finished. Even Joses mind games cant cover this issue up. The question is whether anyone else has improved enough to make any inroads as they were so far ahead of everyone else.

They don't give away much though and with Fabergas and Hazard they always have a goal or two in them.

In contrast to when we don't have a striker and ship 3 at Palace. Chelsea just don't do that.
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1191 on: August 5, 2015, 11:51:03 pm »


just on the almost unanimity that Chelsea will win the league - will that not be dependent on them having some considerable luck with injuries this season (again)

if i look at their squad on their own website the defenders they list are

Terry
Ivanovic
Zouma
Cahill
Azpiliceuta
Nathan Ake

Terry is 35 and Ivanovic, who I admire greatly as a player seemed to going slightly off the boil too towards the end of last season, is now 31 and probably due an increased injury level

Ake and Zouma are both quite young and Ake in particularly has very few 1st team games

I understand they're maybe tying up a left  back but are they not 1 or 2 injuries away from being very short in defence at a time when they'll be looking to go a long way in 4 competitions

I'm not sure that they're as cut and dried as the majority of the bbc appear to think
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« Reply #1192 on: August 6, 2015, 01:48:22 am »
I’ve held off on making my official prediction for the season until now, when I’ve decided to finally put down some overarching thoughts. Pardon me if this post is long, but I hope it’ll still be worth a read for anyone looking to kill some time on the bog or train into work nonetheless.

Now, many readers here, even those who know that I can sometimes be exceptionally optimistic (perhaps bordering on deluded), may be shocked to find out that I’m predicting us to finish 3rd this season. And I’m seriously tempted to say 2nd, but I will stick to 3rd.

To delay the inevitable ambush from the keyboard warriors on here after making that rather bold prediction, I’ll try to justify myself by providing an assessment of what went wrong last season; a quick commentary of our summer business; a look at our squad outlook and weaknesses; as well as taking a look at the squads of each of our top four rivals; before passing rule on our expectations going into the season and adding some concluding remarks and further predictions.

Perfect Storm

Before analysing our business this summer I think its worth taking a moment to remember what life as a Liverpool supporter was like a mere 2-and-a-bit months ago. Take a moment, and let it sink in that we lost 6-1. To Stoke. Fucking. City. 



Here we are now, on the eve of a new season, with a new coaching staff and 7 new signings who have replaced a total of 8 outgoing players so far, and the general feeling among fans is one of positivity and optimism.

The first move of the summer by FSG to stick with Brendan was shrewd. He's a good manager, and he's proved before that if he has the tools at his disposal he can fashion a winning team. Last season was something of a perfect storm though, which wouldn't have been easy for any manager:

1)   The transfer committee’s inability to sign a top striker to replace Suarez
2)   Daniel Sturridge’s injury
3)   the psychological impact of losing Suarez (not to mention the title itself)
4)   Steven Gerrard’s decline and departure side-show
5)   World Cup hangovers for a number of our players (eg. Lallana)
6)   Sterling’s public shit-show in the run-in
7)   Going from playing 43 to 58 games with a squad full of new players
8 )   Not having a good No.2 GK to cover adequately when Mignolet needed a break
9)   Drama surrounding Mario Balotelli

And yet, despite all those problems, we were still in a position to challenge for Top 4 with 2 months left of the season before things derailed. With the benefit of hindsight, I’d say that Brendan did just about as well as could have been expected from anyone in his position with our squad.

Summer Changes

Looking forward, and with all due respect to the 2013/14 season, I think that this could be the season where things come together for Rodgers, given how much talent he has at his disposal to tinker in various ways – and crucially, including up front again.

I very much like the following passage from a recent EspnFC article, and think it concisely presents some of my thoughts regarding Rodgers and his team:

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After three years, it is more in tune with his thinking. It isn't Luis Suarez's team, it isn't Steven Gerrard's team. It is Rodgers'.

That will grant the manager more power to mould the side to his football ideal without having to naturally shape it toward a star, but also means he has more responsibility to actually make it look like his team straight away.

http://www.espnfc.com/club/liverpool/364/blog/post/2542735/brendan-rodgers-liverpool-future-dependent-players-jelling

Looking at the coaching staff first, it’s very clear what the style our team wants to attain this season is. In Pepijn Lijnders, Sean O’Driscoll, and Gary Mac we have a perfect blend of characters to bring Brendan’s philosophy together: a young attack-minded coach with strong connections to our youth setup; a serious no-nonsense ”driller” who by the looks of his shouting on the sidelines for 45 minutes against HJK won’t take any shit from the players when implementing a press-from-the-front defensive system (a system that should suit the players perfectly btw); and a much-loved team-first winner who will no doubt be close to the players and be a constant reminder to players of the club ethos.

Looking at our signings too, I don’t think there can be any illusions as to what the general direction is: We want to play attacking football, and we will look to score goals in every way imaginable from everywhere on the pitch.

Not many on here were a fan of the protracted Benteke signing, but as I’ve been saying for weeks I think he’s going to be a big hit. Milner, Firmino, Clyne, Gomez, Ings, and Bogdan round out what can undisputably be hailed as a successful window in terms of incoming signings. Big money has been spent when necessary (Benteke, Firmino) but the club have also been very prudent in acquiring several quality players to fill positions of need for well below their market values (Clyne, Milner, Gomez, Ings).

In terms of departures, the club have done very well to get £49m for (that little *%$#) Sterling, as well as decent fees for Lambert, Aspas, and Coates, plus even a healthy fee and loan move for Wisdom. Seeing a quickly-aging Gerrard and well-past-his-sell-by-date Glen Johnson leave should benefit the club too, even if it is harsh of me to say so in Gerrard’s case. The last of the deadwood should be moved on soon too in one form or another (i.e. Balotelli, Borini, and Enrique).

Squad Outlook

There are many reasons to be optimistic with the squad we have, but before I comment on the squad, I want to share an extract from a recent Tomkins article I found particularly interesting:

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Perhaps the problem Liverpool had last season was that six or seven of the new players were either simply not good enough (bad judgement calls) or still acclimatising/adjusting/developing. This meant that, overall, no single position was actually improved; and that, indeed, the loss of one outstanding player in a pivotal position (such as centre-forward), was in this instance more harmful than buying various options – at least for the short-term of one season (these players are still at Liverpool and can yet improve; indeed, some almost certainly will).

http://tomkinstimes.com/2015/08/liverpool-fcs-big-experiment-a-season-preview/

Having signed relatively young but mainly experienced and quality players, we have undoubtedly strengthened both our First XI and greater squad this summer. As Tomkins mentioned, our signings from last season (eg. Can, Moreno, Markovic, Lovren, and Lallana) should improve now in their second season too. As such, I very much agree with a post made by Gnurglan a day or so ago where he said that ”This year we've signed better (IMO) and hopefully last season's approach will combine well with this summer's”.

Tomkins also continues:

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My sense here is that it takes time to bear the fruits of a big net spend; particularly if there is a high turnover of players.

A high net spend involving young players may mean that the rewards are delayed, as potential can take time to blossom into top-level consistency. And yet I’ve no doubt that, on the whole, buying players aged 18-25 is a better use of resources than going for the perceived ‘finished product’ (not least because no matter how many ‘finished product’ signings I analyse, there’s no clearer success rate, beyond a very small increase; but with the added risk of overpriced fees, overly large wages and reduced sell-on options).

I agree with this view, and am rather pleased with the way our owners have steadily built a young but experienced and dynamic squad.

Tomkins also says that ”unless you have a mega-squad, balancing the cups and the league is a near-impossible feat”, which I absolutely agree with. The beautiful part is that we now have such a ”mega-squad”, with genuine competition for places in every position on the pitch, and there is sure to be long debates between fans all season long about who should start over who in many positions.

The crucial improvement has been in attack, where we have the mouth-watering prospect of seeing a Firmino - Benteke - Sturridge front 3, with Coutinho in midfield ripping teams apart. Goals galore could well be coming back to Anfield sooner than anyone realised.

There was a good post by BassTurnedToRed in the Stats thread back in October which highlighted that we would struggle due to 3 areas: reduction in set-piece goals; reduction in clear-cut chances post-Suarez; and the poor finishing of Balotelli.

I agree with those conclusions, but believe we have come a long way to resolving those issues:

1. Set piece threat: Adding Benteke, who is one of the (if not the most) dominant players in the league aerially.
2. Clear cut chances: Adding creative and clinical players who can contribute in the final 3rd (Firmino, Benteke, Ings, Origi, Milner, Clyne)
3. Finishing. Balotelli ---> Benteke is an upgrade which will no doubt provide us with more goals up front. Not to mention that Sturridge appears to be nearing fitness again.

It seems to be an utter slam-dunk prediction that we will see a vast increase on the paltry number of goals we scored last season (52), which imo was the main reason for not finishing in the Top 4. You need 70+ goals for that, and any casual observer will have noted that we just didn't score enough. In fact, it's quite impressive that we managed to stay in the hunt for top 4 despite scoring so few.

It is also worth re-emphasizing how ridiculously young our team is. As Tomkins puts it, one ”can pick an XI with eight full internationals, plus Can, Gomez and Ibe, that averaged just 22.4 – which seems utterly insane. Given that players can often play U21 football up to the age of 23, this is essentially an U21 side.” Adding proven PL players like Milner, Benteke, and Clyne to the mix should provide this young core with the shot in the arm it needs to get to the next level.

That said, the squad is not without weakness. First and foremost, it remains to be seen if Brendan can find a permanent solution for our leaky defense. As I’ve discussed on several ocassions, like here, I think the root cause of many of our defensive issues come from Skrtel and Mignolet, and their inability to play in a way that doesn’t detract from the high-line pressing style Brendan clearly wants to implement.

Against HJK on Sunday the lack of attacking width on the left in Moreno’s absence was also particularly stark, so perhaps that is an area we could improve on.

Furthermore, although we have shown evidence of a solid pressing game, we’ve been rather unspectacular in the final 3rd most of preseason. However, adding Firmino, Benteke, and Coutinho to the first XI, and of course the re-introduction of Sturridge should help ease any concerns about our attack.

The fact that we have so many new faces and such a young squad suggests to me that we will fall short of being able to challenge for the title, but with enough goals we should be in strong contention for a Top 4 finish this season.

Rivals

Having looked at our much improved squad, it’s now time to look at our rivals. Since I’m being optimistic and purposefully red-tinted I’m going to focus heavily on the drawbacks of each team more often than not.

Arsenal

Stability is the first word that comes to mind. Arsenal may have had the best window of all so far, simply for not changing any pieces of an already strong squad other than in goal.

The last few seasons people have predicted they would fall out of Top 4 and they have exceeded those expectations by staying in each time. Now there is genuine talk of a title challenge, and they may just go one better than just challenging.

As is well publicized, they still have not signed the big striker they really need to get the fans and players buzzing. An injury to Giroud would be very costly for their season.

Chelsea

After losing to Fiorentina earlier today Chelsea have now gone winless in preseason (losses to NY Redbulls and Fiorentina, and draws against PSG and somewhat 2nd rate Barcelona) which might suggests that they aren’t in tip-top form yet.

Unimportant preseason results aside though, there is always a risk of title-winners’ hangover, and with Mourinho wanting CL success more than anything it would make sense to prepare his squad to be fit and firing in the second half of the season which could mean that they come out of the gates slowly (as indeed preseason results might indicate).

Their back 4 is rapidly aging, and they also have injury issues up front where Costa – though prolific when fit – is hardly reliable. Remy and Falcao have been unreliable at best recently, and their tame performances in the Community Shield suggest that won’t change anytime soon.

Though I doubt it will be the case at Chelsea this time around, Mourinho seems to have a ”3rd season” syndrome where his presence starts to become untenable after around 2-3 years at a club. Indeed, he has never been at a club longer than 3 and-a-bit years. If he doesn’t produce pleasing-enough attacking football - which is often the case the longer he is at a club, especially when focussing on preparing his teams for CL primarily - Abramovich may well clash with him again, especially if he gets knocked out of the CL again.

City

Sterling missing CL would please me just as much as United missing it, but I think City will get the goals that United won’t.

That said, Dzeko and Jovetic out, Sterling in doesn’t seem like the business for a team that’s going to make giant strides forward. They are still unbalanced in midfield, and now there are more quality teams in the league capable of playing football around Yaya.

With Dzeko and Jovetic gone, I would expect them to sign another striker, but until they do they will need Aguero to carry them again. Considering that Aguero has started 22, 20, and 30 games in the last 3 seasons, there seems to be quite a risk that he doesn’t. They could be left counting big-time on Sterling, and even without that Sterling is already under massive pressure to perform now that he’s got the money he wants. Will be interesting to see how he deals with constant boo-ing up and down the country too.

With lot’s of focus on the CL again they will need to prioritize that over the league somewhat, especially when it comes to Aguero. City have so many ego’s in their team, and that reality will be felt even more now that Milner is gone, as he was the one player capable of ”putting in a shift” in a team of primadona’s.

Their need for homegrown talent will surely restrict any business they can do this summer too, so I’m not particularly worried about who they bring in at this stage. In any case, they need players like De Bruyne and Pogba in order to kick on, but those players apparently aren’t going to join them this summer.

United

There was a recent Opta article posted in the United thread (which I can’t find right now) that discussed in-depth reasons why they would struggle this season. Effectively, they are removing the main attacking-3rd threats (Di Maria, Falcao, RVP) from a side that only score 62 goals last season (which let me remind you is less than they scored under the Chosen One!). Here are some stats highlighting this.

They’ve recruited well, but goals is what gets you challenging near the top, and surely they can’t expect to improve significantly only by adding a 21 year old, regardless how talented he is, as players take time to settle. They will probably sign Pedro, but as Di Maria and Falcao showed, there is no guarantee talented attacking players will thrive under Van Gaal.

Furthermore, they still have not sorted out the biggest weakness, and as such they go into the season with a centerback ”partnership” of Blind and Jones. If I’m Harry Kane I’m certainly fancying myself some goals at OT this weekend that’s for sure.

Adding Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger were smart moves, because they are good players, but don’t really improve their first XI, due to the fact that Herrera (who was their best outfield player last year) will most likely be benched. They also have the potentially explosive De Gea situation brewing, and you just know there’s some fireworks involving Van Gaal upcoming if he stays.

We also saw first-hand what the added strain of CL football can have on a team, and with only Rooney as a capable main striker (and no new ones being linked/wanting to come) they will surely be stretched unless they bring someone in.

I predict that they will dominate possession incessantly, but frustrate their supporters greatly as they struggle to create many quality opportunities from that possession. They'll by and large shuffle their way through the season scraping narrow wins to stay in contention for Top 4 as Van Gaal continues to tinker and find archaic ways to get goals, but that eventually they will miss out.

My Expectations

In short, I expect to see the team return to playing relentless, dynamic, and entertaining attacking football.

The importance of a good start cannot be understated. After the productive and momentum-building summer the club has had, that positive vibe needs to be built upon and carried forward right from the off. Remind yourself of the positive (and almost relieving) effects of Mignolet’s penalty save against Stoke in August 2013 and it's easy to see what a good start to the season can do to a team in terms of positivity. Here it is for your viewing pleasure:



Conversely, a poor start would sap the energy from the fans, staff, and players incredibly fast, especially as the media will be quick to throw Brendan in the fire and name Klopp constantly if things aren’t going well. 

That said, we have one of the most potent and dynamic attacks in the league now, with quality replacements off the bench, so I expect us to score many, many more goals than we did last season which should be enough for Top 4.

Regarding the EL, I think there are very positive silver linings from the fact that we are in the EL this season instead of the CL. The EL will allow our manager to focus most of his time and effort on the PL, while still allowing us to give plenty of valuable experience to our younger squad players like Can, Markovic, Ings, Origi, Teixeira, Ilori, Rossiter, etc. I do hope that we take the competition seriously though, as success in the EL is often a precursor to success in the CL, as we’ve seen recently with Atletico, Juventus, Porto, and even ourselves.

Predictions

The top 4 will be (in this order): Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, United.

I don’t like making predictions for cup competitions due to the random nature of the draws and one-off results, but I think we can win one of the domestic cups, as well as progressing to the semifinals of the EL, at which stage anything can happen.

Top Scorer: Benteke
Player of the season: Milner
Most improved: Lallana
Youngster to impress the most: Gomez and Ibe will have good seasons, but Teixeira will be the biggest surprise, as he turns in great performances in the EL and cup games to kick on. Tempted to say Ilori too - if given the chance of playing next to Sakho or even Lovren in the cups he could really impress.

I really want to throw in a curveball and predict that Markovic will become Patrik Berger Mk.II over the course of the our EL campaign, but I just can't see it :/  Benteke’s ”Bang ’em In” song will be the Christmas No.1 on Merseyside though :)
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1193 on: August 6, 2015, 02:27:51 am »
Too positive. You must be new here, won't last long.


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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1194 on: August 6, 2015, 08:24:41 am »
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Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho says this term's Premier League will be the most competitive he has experienced - with even newly promoted Bournemouth buying players good enough for his side.
Mourinho's Chelsea eased to the title last season, finishing eight points clear of runners-up Manchester City.
But the Portuguese cited Bournemouth's signing of Max Gradel as evidence this season will be tougher.
"Gradel could play for Chelsea," Mourinho said.
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Chelsea celebrate Premier League title win
Top-flight clubs have spent more than £500m so far in the transfer window, partly fuelled by a new £5bn Premier League TV rights deal.
Mourinho has also been impressed by Yohan Cabaye's £10m move from PSG to Crystal Palace and Newcastle's capture of £14.75m Georginio Wijnaldum from PSV as well as Gradel's arrival for a reported £7m.
And the Chelsea boss, whose side were beaten 1-0 by Italy's Fiorentina in a pre-season friendly at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday, said the strength in depth across the league means fewer points will be needed to win the 2016 title.
"There will be more times when the non-title contenders win matches against the title contenders," he said.
"It's also difficult because they have players who could play in our teams - Cabaye could play for Chelsea, Wijnaldum could play for Chelsea, Gradel could play for Chelsea.
"You have a minimum of five title contenders and the other teams get stronger and stronger."
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Alan Shearer predicts 'tight' title race
Favourites Chelsea have so far only signed £8m goalkeeper Asmir Begovic to replace Arsenal signing Petr Cech and brought in Monaco striker Radamel Falcao on loan.
By contrast, title rivals Manchester City broke their transfer record to sign £49m Raheem Sterling from Liverpool - while the Merseyside club have signed £32.5m Christian Benteke and £29m Roberto Firmino. Similarly, Manchester United have spent £83m so far, including £31m on Netherlands winger Memphis Depay.
Lower down the table, Crystal Palace broke their transfer record to bring in Cabaye while Stoke's eight summer signings include two Barcelona players.
Both Watford and Bournemouth were promoted to the Premier League from the Championship, along with Norwich City.
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But with two of last season's promoted clubs, Burnley and Queens Park Rangers, relegated after just one season, the Championship champions and runners-up have so far signed 19 players between them.
"I think nobody can complain because everyone is investing - you go to Watford, you go to Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, Stoke, every club," Mourinho said.
"Every club has very good players so I think it's difficult for the top teams in England because of the competitive nature."
Chelsea start their title defence at home to Swansea on Saturday.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33796997

Some interesting points by Mourinho, and as I said earlier in this thread, this season is tougher than ever. We really need to be up for it, and not take a single game lightly. The plus side is, if we find a rhythm and get a few points on the board by christmas, the title would be up for grabs, as there will be upsets.
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1195 on: August 6, 2015, 10:18:57 am »
Think we're ok pretty much everywhere apart from Centre Backs once Sturridge is back. Would have liked another DM but we do have a lot of midfielders.


Just our centre backs scare the shit out of me. I do miss the days of having a tight defence under Rafa, means even if you play terrible up front you still have a chance of winning the match. Means you can afford to miss chances. Now there's a lot of pressure on us to get the goals required
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1196 on: August 6, 2015, 10:30:44 am »
Think we're ok pretty much everywhere apart from Centre Backs once Sturridge is back. Would have liked another DM but we do have a lot of midfielders.


Just our centre backs scare the shit out of me. I do miss the days of having a tight defence under Rafa, means even if you play terrible up front you still have a chance of winning the match. Means you can afford to miss chances. Now there's a lot of pressure on us to get the goals required
Not really, the pressure on our forwards to score the goals now is the same as the pressure on Rafa's team to keep clean sheets, no difference really. I'd say a team which scores lots of goals is more likely to finish higher than teams who concede less. 
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1197 on: August 6, 2015, 11:46:49 am »
Last season the BBC predicted the following order for the league top ten - I've stuck the actual top ten next to it:

Chelsea (Chelsea)
Man City (Man City)
Man Utd (Arsenal)
Liverpool (Man Utd)
Arsenal (Spurs)
Everton (Liverpool)
Spurs (Southampton)
Newcastle (Swansea)
Stoke (Stoke)
Sunderland (Crystal Palace)

A 3/10 hit rate. Of course, in reality anything can happen (Palace and Southampton being prime examples, as well as the sudden plummeting of the Bitters), which makes the bile and anger vented on the comments page on the BBC website all the more entertaining to read. I am delighted that almost every pundit and opposition fan bar none has completely written us off before a ball has been kicked. It relieves the pressure, means we can surprise them and shove it back in their faces.

Here's my prediction; we will be close again this year, and definitely top 4. Fuck it, I make us runners up, most likely to Arsenal. I know I've probably written something completely different earlier in the thread, but that was before watching the team gel really well in pre-season. Bollocks to what the pundits are saying - Chelsea are tossers and have an unreliable forward in terms of injury with scant back up. City are becoming a parody of themselves, with a dead man walking in the dug out and a preppy little shit in the dressing room who will chuck his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his way. I make them prime targets to fall out of the top 4, despite all of the riches they have. The Mancs are difficult to predict, but if they lose De Gea they will go south and their reliable top 4 days under Fergie are well and truly over. Carra-ton got it spot on in his post above: there will be upsets this year. Time to take advantage.
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1198 on: August 6, 2015, 11:53:40 am »
Bollocks to what the pundits are saying - Chelsea are fast becoming pensioners and have an unreliable forward in terms of injury with scant back up.


Can't but disagree with the above:  Courtois (23) Azpilicueta (25) Cahill (29) Zouma (20) Terry (34) Ivanovic (31) Fabregas (28) Matic (27) Oscar (23) Hazard (24) Ramires (28) Cuadrado (27) Willian (26) Remy (28) Falcao (29)
and Costa is only 26 (believe it or not!).

Hardly a team of 'pensioners'. For me still the team to beat this season.
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Re: Expectations For 2015/16 Season (Brenties Crystal-Ball Thread Mk. II)
« Reply #1199 on: August 6, 2015, 12:00:02 pm »


Can't but disagree with the above:  Courtois (23) Azpilicueta (25) Cahill (29) Zouma (20) Terry (34) Ivanovic (31) Fabregas (28) Matic (27) Oscar (23) Hazard (24) Ramires (28) Cuadrado (27) Willian (26) Remy (28) Falcao (29)
and Costa is only 26 (believe it or not!).

Hardly a team of 'pensioners'. For me still the team to beat this season.

Very little doubt of that, which is reflected in most people tipping them as title favourites. They will have to win the title if they do in a different way as I don't think they can go full pelt from the start like they did last season. But Mourinho knows how to win so no doubt if anyone can get a team to retain the league, it would be him.