Topic: FT: LFC 1-2 MUFC

[Lar Salty]

What part of that do you disagree with?

[Rob Dylan]

Just on the Lallana substitution - I'm sure the commentator said he came off because was still feeling the effects of the challenge by Jones. So it looks like he might well have come off even if he'd scored.

[Twelfth Man]

Said this after the game Sterling is poor at wing back, Sturridge coming back has not helped us as he has looked slow in body and mind.

Sturridge, even regaining his match-fitness is fine. It is the disconnect between attack (Danny) and the rest of the side which was the problem today.

[killer-heels]

Why Sterling? Because he is clearly the bigger talent? That boy will excel once you put quality alongside him and don't waste his talents out on the wing. Yes the demands are a joke, I fear he's been tapped up by one of the cheating c*nt's.

Because its an insane amount for a player that doesnt deserve or warrant it.

[Billy The Kid]

Said this after the game Sterling is poor at wing back, Sturridge coming back has not helped us as he has looked slow in body and mind.

How do you expect him to regain his match sharpness?

By keeping him on the bench?

[Samie]

What part of that do you disagree with?

The part where the guy said Gerrard hasn't been at it for a few seasons. Well he must have missed last season as it was one of his most productive years in recent times.

He got into the Team of the Year and was nominated for Player of the Year as well.

[Gnurglan]

About Gerrard - he managed to do a lot in less than a minute. He made a mistake and there is no defence for it. But let's face it, he wasn't on for the first 45 and we were quite poor. We actually improved when we went down to ten men.

[farawayred]

Because its an insane amount for a player that doesnt deserve or warrant it.

Amen. And the Club should stand firm.

[Samie]

Said this after the game Sterling is poor at wing back, Sturridge coming back has not helped us as he has looked slow in body and mind.

 

Haha so don't play him in games?  I've also said today that this 3-4-3 doesn't suit him.

[RobbieRedman]

What part of that do you disagree with?

Err how about the bit about "not being up to it for a couple of years" short memory mother fuckers

[Redman78]

Before Sturridge came back, other than maybe finishing, there really was nothing wrong with Sterling's form.  As I've said before he's becoming a victim of his own versatility.

[Zoomers]

I'm not tryin to pass any blame on. Gerrard Let us down end of. But if Lallana had scored then the whole course of the game would of changed. So he is right in what he is saying. It's called the butterfly effect.

Anyway, it matters not because Lallana did miss the sitter, Gerrard did make the challenge, he did get sent off and we lost.

I understand that, but what I'm showing you is that you can flip it into any scenario to blame one person rather than other. Which is exactly what the original poster was trying to do.

[The Playmaker]

About Gerrard - he managed to do a lot in less than a minute. He made a mistake and there is no defence for it. But let's face it, he wasn't on for the first 45 and we were quite poor. We actually improved when we went down to ten men.

I think Gerrard could have been a key man for us in that second half, had he stayed on. I wouldn't say that Gerrard cost us the game, though. But that was poor for him. It was also ironic after the commentators had banged on about his experience in these fixtures. 11v11 we had struggled in the first half, especially for the opening half hour. Either way, Steven Gerrard made a poor decision and let his emotions get the better of him in that situation.

[Twelfth Man]

Because its an insane amount for a player that doesnt deserve or warrant it.

I would suggest that, the team is currently not setup and good enough to get the best out of his undoubted talents. City & Chelsea will be in for him in the summer. Surrounded by the talent in those sides, you'll see him perform like he did when Luis was occupying two defenders. We bring in a Luis type player, play him in a more central and attacking role and you will see Sterling at his best. A luxury sure. Just depends whether the owners want that bracket of player at the club. Yes the demands are ludicrous, that is why I think he's already been tapped up.

[The Playmaker]

I understand that, but what I'm showing you is that you can flip it into any scenario to blame one person rather than other. Which is exactly what the original poster was trying to do.

Well said. Some people on here are trying to justify what Steven Gerrard did today. Look, Adam Lallana missed a chance. It happens. That doesn't excuse what Steven Gerrard did. The blame lies with Steven Gerrard in that situation. We still had forty five minutes to play and he was brought on to help the team.

[Redman78]

Err how about the bit about "not being up to it for a couple of years" short memory mother fuckers

Thought Gerrard was good last season, the role we found for him helped him excel, think he's been a shadow of his former self this season and has badly faded.  No one stays great forever..

[killer-heels]

I would suggest that, the team is currently not setup and good enough to get the best out of his undoubted talents. City & Chelsea will be in for him in the summer. Surrounded by the talent in those sides, you'll see him perform like he did when Luis was occupying two defenders. We bring in a Luis type player, play him in a more central and attacking role and you will see Sterling at his best. A luxury sure. Just depends whether the owners want that bracket of player at the club. Yes the demands are ludicrous, that is why I think he's already been tapped up.

I didnt think we would sell him but what with this contract and postponement i reckon he is as good as gone in the summer. Not convinced Henderson will be here still either but not as fussed with him.

[Kopite B205]

I nearly burst a blood vessel at the final whistle today. Smalling thumping his chest towards us in the kop like they'd just won the league. Fucking yard dog will be playing for QPR next season.

[Solomon Grundy]

Well said. Some people on here are trying to justify what Steven Gerrard did today. Look, Adam Lallana missed a chance. It happens. That doesn't excuse what Steven Gerrard did. The blame lies with Steven Gerrard in that situation. We still had forty five minutes to play and he was brought on to help the team.

I'm not trying to justify fuck all. I already said Gerrard was to blame. The lad was right in what he said though, the whole game would of changed. As would the game of changed if we hadn't of conceded the first.


None of it matters anyway. Because it did happen and Gerrard only has himself to blame for that.

[lgvkarlos]

How do you expect him to regain his match sharpness?

By keeping him on the bench?

Um let me think,  maybe bringing him of the bench.
We were better with Markovic (or Ibe)  as wing back and sterling up front.
You play your best available team it's not pre season where we get players fit over results. He's nowhere near the level he was at before the injury and we've moved players to accommodate him.

[stevensr123]

Can't see us getting top 4 now to be honest, I didnt see us get anything against arsenal before this match, and I certainly can't see us getting anything out of it now.

They are clearly the inform team at the moment, we always seem to struggle playing against them, and it's a hard place to go and pick points up this season. We could be 8 points behind the mancs and well and truly out of it. United also seem to be doing well this season against the big boys, So I see them getting something out of there tough games against man city, arsenal and chelsea (They still play them don't they?).


Fucking disgusting performance first half, completely let us down. Although the crowd was just as bad, the prawn sandwich eating shit houses ( Not all but..), united fans sounded louder.

[robygerrard]

We were awful in the first half but United didn't rip us apart & create chance after chance & on another day Lallana's shot goes in.
Gerrard's red didn't help one bit but it still took a world class finish from Mata to make it 2-0. The worst part of today for me was the first half & the fact that anyone seemed helpless to do anything until half time. This seemed to mirror the Swansea & Southampton games which we got away with. I'm not a coach & don't pretend to have a solution but this is definitely something BR & co need to address.
If we play like that in the first half v the Gooners we'll get roasted.

[Solomon Grundy]

Henderson has got to learn it's not all about energy and charging about the field. You have got to be more clever then that. You've got to have more control of the ball. He was just running about everywhere leaving massive gaps in midfield in the 1st half. Played right into their hands he did.

[robertobaggio37]

It's tough but we need to move on. I hope players will fight for their lives to get to top4. Emirates is our bogey stadium lately, it's time for us to break it there. Let's support Brendan and the boys, they are going to need it.

[The Playmaker]

I'm not trying to justify fuck all. I already said Gerrard was to blame. The lad was right in what he said though, the whole game would of changed. As would the game of changed if we hadn't of conceded the first.

None of it matters anyway. Because it did happen and Gerrard only has himself to blame for that.

Exactly. None of it matters. We can only look at what actually happened today during the ninety minutes.

[killer-heels]

Henderson has got to learn it's not all about energy and charging about the field. You have got to be more clever then that. You've got to have more control of the ball. He was just running about everywhere leaving massive gaps in midfield in the 1st half. Played right into their hands he did.

This is essentially my issue with him. Lucas is the only one who can put his foot on the ball and slow it down. With Henderson its all hustle and bustle and chaotic.

He isnt captain material either.

[Billy The Kid]

It never ceases to amaze me how "internet culture" can drum up so much speculation

It's like the internet is its own parallel universe

Aren't the Sterling and Henderson contracts due to be addressed in the summer?

As per the usual norm?

Seems to me that the notion of us having contractual issues with our players is largely down to people feeling the need to talk about things on the internet, that in truth, they know sweet fuck all about. 

[Kopenhagen]

Henderson has got to learn it's not all about energy and charging about the field. You have got to be more clever then that. You've got to have more control of the ball. He was just running about everywhere leaving massive gaps in midfield in the 1st half. Played right into their hands he did.

He doesn't have the ability to control a game; it's just not in his makeup; he's not that kind of player. He is the water carrier in this team and his pressure out of possession is very headless chicken-like at times (tactically I think we struggled anyway out of possession, as our players didn't seem to know their roles). I was also really disappointed with his leadership today, particularly towards the end. Instead of encouraging others, he looked despondent.

[killer-heels]

It never ceases to amaze me how "internet culture" can drum up so much speculation

It's like the internet is its own parallel universe

Aren't the Sterling and Henderson contracts due to be addressed in the summer?

As per the usual norm?

Seems to me that the notion of us having contractual issues with our players is largely down to people feeling the need to talk about things on the internet, that in truth, they know sweet fuck all about. 

Those contract talks are being played out in public more than they need to be and if you consider their current levels, achievements and money being mentioned then it creates a toxic atmosphere for themselves

[Solomon Grundy]

This is essentially my issue with him. Lucas is the only one who can put his foot on the ball and slow it down. With Henderson its all hustle and bustle and chaotic.

He isnt captain material either.

Yeah I agree. We needed a cool head in the middle today and we didn't have it. I thought Gerrard was about to bring that calming influence into the game. How wrong was I.

I'll add though, he wasn't the only one who had a stinker. Sterling and Moreno were awful.

[Billy The Kid]

Um let me think,  maybe bringing him of the bench.

Oh, ok.

So you're saying that in order to get a player fully match fit, the best way to approach it is to not let him play full games?

Springing him off the bench and Letting him play for 30 to 40 minutes at a time is the best way to prepare him for playing for 90 minutes, is it?

[Billy The Kid]

Those contract talks are being played out in public more than they need to be

Yeah, they are being played out in the public

Because that's what the public like to do these days

They like to talk about things in public that in actuality, they know sweet fuck all about

I haven't heard a single murmur of discontent coming from the club over the state of affairs regarding Sterling's contract

Have you?

Same with Henderson. I've heard sweet fuck all about either

Heard plenty of it on the internet though, which is kind of my point

[Mutton Geoff]

Not a great day for us, but the league has a long way to go yet, there will be many twists and turns to come, let hope the players and management arnt such cowardly defeatist as some in here. The fat lady hasn't even arrived in her taxi yet.

Moreno and Stirling had awful games, but i cannot understand the criticism for Henderson or Allen they were over run by the have elbows to use United lads.
Got to say though Mata's second was some goal.

As for the abuse Stevie is getting maybe we owe him a bit more support given what he has done for this club.

[Marty 85]

Fair play to Gerrard for coming out and shouldering the responsibility but it wasn't his fault we lost. He did us no favours, granted, but I can understand him getting stuck in the way he did. It was Anfield and the lads were showing them much too much respect. Still alot of points to play for.

[lgvkarlos]

Oh, ok.

So you're saying that in order to get a player fully match fit, the best way to approach it is to not let him play full games?

Springing him off the bench and Letting him play for 30 to 40 minutes at a time is the best way to prepare him for playing for 90 minutes, is it?

He's been poor since his return and moving sterling and dropping Markovic has been a mistake.  Personally don't give a f##k who plays as long as we win.  We had adapted our game without sturridge he doesn't have to play no matter what.

[killer-heels]

Yeah, they are being played out in the public

Because that's what the public like to do these days

They like to talk about things in public that in actuality, they know sweet fuck all about

I haven't heard a single murmur of discontent coming from the club over the state of affairs regarding Sterling's contract

Have you?

Same with Henderson. I've heard sweet fuck all about either

Heard plenty of it on the internet though, which is kind of my point

Rodgers' comments about it havent been great. The ECHO have also put out quite about the ludicrous demands and the issues they are having. Gerrard also had his say and feels there is an issue.

There is negotiating a contract and there is this.

[Mutton Geoff]

We weren't behind against Swansea, who weren't remotely as good as Man Utd were anyway.

that would be the Swansea that has taken six points off United this season , funny old game hey!

[Twelfth Man]

Yeah, they are being played out in the public

Because that's what the public like to do these days

They like to talk about things in public that in actuality, they know sweet fuck all about

I haven't heard a single murmur of discontent coming from the club over the state of affairs regarding Sterling's contract

Have you?

Same with Henderson. I've heard sweet fuck all about either

Heard plenty of it on the internet though, which is kind of my point

A guess but I reckon the club didn't want these contracts drawn out. Get them done, focus on the campaign. However if the team has a stinker in the run-in, we could argue that the club has been shrewd.

[Billy The Kid]

With Henderson its all hustle and bustle and chaotic.

He isnt captain material either.

Gerrard wasn't exactly a figure of calm composure when he initially inherited the arm band either

Don't forget, In his first 2 seasons as captain he clocked up quiet a few red cards 

[lgvkarlos]

Oh, ok.

So you're saying that in order to get a player fully match fit, the best way to approach it is to not let him play full games?

Springing him off the bench and Letting him play for 30 to 40 minutes at a time is the best way to prepare him for playing for 90 minutes, is it?

And since when do we use the biggest game of the season to get players match fit..?