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duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3000 on:** June 11, 2020, 11:42:24 pm »

Irish 2000 Guineas tomorrow evening. Expecting something to have improved passed Siskin. Won’t be betting yet but if I was I Might take a chance on Lope Y Fernandez at 5/1. Had some good runs at two other than the Middle Park and got the impression they expected more of him. Might want slower ground would be the worry. Also wouldn’t be 100% Siskin will stay.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3001 on:** June 11, 2020, 11:46:58 pm »

Not sure if I'll bother with the 2000, looks a muddling race. Might be doing a big bet on Albigna on Saturday. I get the feeling she could be absolutely monstrous, the vibes could not be stronger.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3002 on:** June 12, 2020, 12:36:34 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 11, 2020, 11:46:58 pm

Not sure if I'll bother with the 2000, looks a muddling race. Might be doing a big bet on Albigna on Saturday. I get the feeling she could be absolutely monstrous, the vibes could not be stronger.

All the best if you do. They both seem a little muddling to me. I think were I to have a go in the 1000, I’d probably be with So Wonderful. Still a maiden but ran some very good races at 2 and this should be her distance at 3.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3003 on:** June 12, 2020, 06:54:55 pm »

Siskin is really good.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3004 on:** June 12, 2020, 07:13:27 pm »

Missed it. Have to check out a replay later. How would you compare to last weekends winner?
Good to see one that it stayed, as I had my doubts and that it has also trained on, although it doesn’t look to be the strongest field On paper

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3005 on:** June 12, 2020, 07:17:53 pm »

Quote from: duvva on June 12, 2020, 07:13:27 pm

Missed it. Have to check out a replay later. How would you compare to last weekends winner?

I think Kameko is the better horse, and without doubt last weekend's race was significantly stronger but Siskin has a serious change of gear in him. I was worried Keane had him trapped 2 furlongs out but he got a gap and stormed through it to put the race to bed in 100 yards or so. Vatican City is a nice one to take out of the race, only his 3rd run and the penny really dropped inside the final furlong.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3006 on:** June 12, 2020, 08:11:36 pm »

Seen it now. They really tried to keep him pinned in there, but as you say as soon as he saw daylight, only one winner. Think Lope Y Fernandez might be better at 7, showed speed to get to the front but everything was finishing quicker than him. Vatican City by same combination as Gleneagles so would think a mile to 10f is his trip so be interesting to see if they stick to a mile for now or go the Derby route

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #3007 on:** June 13, 2020, 12:23:38 pm »

Free £5 no deposit bet on the 2.05 today with PP

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3008 on:** June 13, 2020, 03:28:05 pm »

Franconia looks real smart for Gosden and Abdullah.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3009 on:** June 13, 2020, 04:00:16 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 13, 2020, 03:28:05 pm

Franconia looks real smart for Gosden and Abdullah.

Had a look at that race this morning, thought the front 3 in the market looked promising, but I was a bit disappointed with the other two, so even though she won well enough hard to know how good she is.

The more I think about Quadrilateral’s run last week the more I think it was the perfect Oaks prep. Might be my first bet of the season

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3010 on:** June 13, 2020, 04:11:06 pm »

Quote from: duvva on June 13, 2020, 04:00:16 pm

Had a look at that race this morning, thought the front 3 in the market looked promising, but I was a bit disappointed with the other two, so even though she won well enough hard to know how good she is.

The more I think about Equilateral’s run last week the more I think it was the perfect Oaks prep. Might be my first bet of the season

She did beat a couple of useful animals there I think. Cabaletta beat Frankly Darling by a length on debut and she won nice at Newcastle and is 2/1 for the Ribbelsdale at Ascot on Tuesday. She doesn't have an official mark yet, but I'd say Cabaletta is at least a 90 rated filly and Franconia put her in her place by 4 lengths today. Chamade, finished 3rd today and last time out was pitched in against some useful animals at Kempton including Berlin Tango, Max Vega and Born With Pride and didn't get disgraced, albeit receiving 3lb that day. Considering this was only Franconia's second start I'm inclined to believe she's very useful indeed, but I wouldn't be racing to back her for The Oaks yet.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3011 on:** June 13, 2020, 06:29:00 pm »

Well done if you picked out the 200/1 poke at Newbury today.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3012 on:** June 13, 2020, 06:34:53 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 13, 2020, 04:11:06 pm

She did beat a couple of useful animals there I think. Cabaletta beat Frankly Darling by a length on debut and she won nice at Newcastle and is 2/1 for the Ribbelsdale at Ascot on Tuesday. She doesn't have an official mark yet, but I'd say Cabaletta is at least a 90 rated filly and Franconia put her in her place by 4 lengths today. Chamade, finished 3rd today and last time out was pitched in against some useful animals at Kempton including Berlin Tango, Max Vega and Born With Pride and didn't get disgraced, albeit receiving 3lb that day. Considering this was only Franconia's second start I'm inclined to believe she's very useful indeed, but I wouldn't be racing to back her for The Oaks yet.

You make a good case, and I’m sure she will turn out to be decent, she’s in the right hands. I think Cabaletta definitely wants softer ground, her win was on heavy and her action and pedigree point to that. Didn’t realise she’s in the Ribblesdale, but presume she won’t run as that’s on Tuesday.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3013 on:** June 13, 2020, 06:37:55 pm »

Quote from: duvva on June 13, 2020, 06:34:53 pm

You make a good case, and I’m sure she will turn out to be decent, she’s in the right hands. I think Cabaletta definitely wants softer ground, her win was on heavy and her action and pedigree point to that. Didn’t realise she’s in the Ribblesdale, but presume she won’t run as that’s on Tuesday.

Sorry, I meant Frankly Darling is in the Ribblesdale.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3014 on:** June 13, 2020, 07:02:07 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 13, 2020, 06:37:55 pm

Sorry, I meant Frankly Darling is in the Ribblesdale.

Ah, Gosden does love the ribblesdale if he thinks a filly isn’t right or ready for Epsom.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3015 on:** June 15, 2020, 07:17:17 pm »

Anyone got a fancy for the first day of RA tomorrow?

Quite like a couple in the first, Kaeso and Glen Shiel but imagine I’ll just watch. Interesting to see how Mogul goes. Other than that nothing stands out. Bit underwhelming card for the first day which usually the best

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3016 on:** June 15, 2020, 07:22:59 pm »

Jubiloso and Mohaather for me. A slight leap of faith is needed for Jubiloso because her last 3 runs shouldn't really entitle her to be 3/1 in a Group 2 but Grimthorpe gave her a mention as one of Abdullah's best chances at Ascot and Stoute has his runners roaring. Mohaather because he's unexposed and had some very smart form before he was injured and missed most of last season. His comeback 5th in the QE2 reads reasonably well considering this is a poor Group 1 in my opinion.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3017 on:** June 15, 2020, 08:05:52 pm »

Mohaather’s a good shout. The Queen Anne had a bit of a peak with Goldikova, Canford Cliffs & Frankel but it’s never been the strongest Grp 1 and it’s been getting worse.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3018 on:** June 15, 2020, 08:13:28 pm »

I agree, Lord Glitters won it last year and as much as he's a solid Group race yardstick you'd never say he's really top class.

Fiasco · « **Reply #3019 on:** June 16, 2020, 01:31:37 pm »

A lot of hope surrounding the aptly named Frankly Darling today. I'm not sure she beat much last time out but she was visually impressive and quickened nicely. I think she'll appreciate the step up in trip but she's skinny enough at 6/4.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3020 on:** June 16, 2020, 01:55:47 pm »

Crowley’s had a shocker there (on Mohaather)

RobbieRedman · « **Reply #3021 on:** June 16, 2020, 02:29:18 pm »

Frankly Darling very impressive there

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3022 on:** June 16, 2020, 02:31:37 pm »

Quote from: Fiasco on June 16, 2020, 01:31:37 pm

A lot of hope surrounding the aptly named Frankly Darling today. I'm not sure she beat much last time out but she was visually impressive and quickened nicely. I think she'll appreciate the step up in trip but she's skinny enough at 6/4.

Impressive turn of foot after not settling.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3023 on:** June 16, 2020, 02:38:56 pm »

Considering Cabaletta beat Frankly Darling on debut and then got put in her place at the weekend I’m inclined to believe Franconia is really smart.

RobbieRedman · « **Reply #3024 on:** June 16, 2020, 03:40:21 pm »

not even Crowley could mess that up, what a horse

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3025 on:** June 16, 2020, 03:47:48 pm »

Quote from: RobbieRedman on June 16, 2020, 03:40:21 pm

not even Crowley could mess that up, what a horse

Wasn’t sure Crowley had any control there for the first two furlongs but as you say horse is a bit a good

FlashGordon · « **Reply #3026 on:** June 16, 2020, 03:56:35 pm »

Delighted for Battash, been stung by him a few times but what a horse.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3027 on:** June 16, 2020, 05:59:11 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on June 16, 2020, 03:56:35 pm

Delighted for Battash, been stung by him a few times but what a horse.

Makes horse racing what it is. If Blue Point weren’t around he’d have 3 Ascot wins to his name and he’d be even more highly rated. Imagine his value if he wasn’t gelded. Be sat on a 9 figure asset.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3028 on:** June 17, 2020, 08:10:41 am »

Juan Elcano seems a decent price, 5th in the 2000 Guineas looks the best form on offer in the 1:50. Looking forward to seeing Japan, him aside not the best renewal.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3029 on:** June 17, 2020, 08:22:01 am »

Quote from: duvva on June 17, 2020, 08:10:41 am

Juan Elcano seems a decent price, 5th in the 2000 Guineas looks the best form on offer in the 1:50. Looking forward to seeing Japan, him aside not the best renewal.

Berlin Tango is interesting considering he beat Pyledriver LTO. Giving 4lb away will be difficult though. Huge Headman fan too, but he's got to find enough today considering he's in against some proven Group 1 performers and hasn't got the benefit of a pipe opener.

Looks another really poor day of Ascot racing to me though, these big field handicaps are just a minefield.

RobbieRedman · « **Reply #3030 on:** June 17, 2020, 10:09:45 am »

Japan odds drifting like a barge 6/4

FlashGordon · « **Reply #3031 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:38:42 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 16, 2020, 05:59:11 pm

Makes horse racing what it is. If Blue Point weren’t around he’d have 3 Ascot wins to his name and he’d be even more highly rated. Imagine his value if he wasn’t gelded. Be sat on a 9 figure asset.

Oh yeah definitely, he's been unlucky to run in to him. Any reason he was gelded, help him to settle better?

FlashGordon · « **Reply #3032 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:47:12 pm »

No bets for me today but will make a selection for each race.

1.15 Maydanny
1.50 Russian Emperor
2.25 Bright Melody
3.00 Japan
3.35 Afaak
4.10 Mighty Gurkha
4.40 Almania

I realise I'm late with the first one but that's who I would've went with

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #3033 on:** June 17, 2020, 03:09:21 pm »

Impressive from the winner there. Japan disappointing, but seems like he might take time to get going at the start of a season. Hasn’t won its first race yet.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3034 on:** June 17, 2020, 04:34:31 pm »

Quote from: duvva on June 17, 2020, 03:09:21 pm

Impressive from the winner there. Japan disappointing, but seems like he might take time to get going at the start of a season. Hasn’t won its first race yet.

Think the benefit of a run is absolutely massive. If I punt the next couple of days I'll be taking it into account.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #3035 on:** June 17, 2020, 07:49:33 pm »

Verboten for me tomorrow. Think you can massively chalk up his comeback run. Stepping up in trip looks sure to suit too.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #3036 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:19:48 pm »

Haha someone else is obviously sweet on Verboten as well 8s in to 4s overnight. Was as big as 10-1 earlier in the week.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3037 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:21:45 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on June 18, 2020, 12:19:48 pm

Haha someone else is obviously sweet on Verboten as well 8s in to 4s overnight. Was as big as 10-1 earlier in the week.

I think it might the bookies running scared. He's got 7 rides in single figure prices, so they'll be shitting it for rolls up and multiples.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #3038 on:** June 18, 2020, 01:40:02 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 18, 2020, 12:21:45 pm

I think it might the bookies running scared. He's got 7 rides in single figure prices, so they'll be shitting it for rolls up and multiples.

Yeah very true. He's back on the drift now anyway, not sure what he'll be like on the ground. Wouldn't mind him finishing down the field and reducing that handicap mark further

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #3039 on:** June 18, 2020, 01:41:48 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on June 18, 2020, 01:40:02 pm

Yeah very true. He's back on the drift now anyway, not sure what he'll be like on the ground. Wouldn't mind him finishing down the field and reducing that handicap mark further

These handicaps are impossible to decipher.

Just Fox Tal and Technician for me today. Neither have had a run which is a big negative but good horses and I'll chance them.