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Daws on Steven Gerrard
« on: December 17, 2013, 04:37:19 pm »
I’ve grown up idolising a man. I was only 8 or 9 when he made his debut against Blackburn and all through my life I’ve loved the explosive dynamo that is Steven Gerrard. He’s been such an exciting player to witness with a swashbuckling swagger and verve to his game where he literally looks like the biggest man in the stadium let alone on the pitch. In his prime he was absolutely one of the very best in the world wherever he played. There was nothing in his game where he couldn’t look at another top player and say ‘I’m better at that than you’. Tackling, passing, shooting, acceleration, pace, control, heading, blocking, finishing, strength, stamina; you pluck almost any player in football who specialised in two of them qualities and Gerrard was better at it than them as well as the rest. A kid, a talent, a boss, a phenomenon, a king, a god; there’s not a stage Gerrard didn’t take to, prove his metal, his worth, his body, heart and soul and verify himself superior to almost anything you could put in front of him. If you could compare him to a movie star, you just wouldn’t because none of them are Steven Gerrard.

A captain at 23 and the key player in our side for over ten years and counting, this sentence alone could summarise Steven Gerrard for what he would become capable of, but it’s so unfair to try and encapsulate him. You could point to Istanbul, Olympiakos, West Ham at Wembley or frankly any multitude of games well into the hundreds and still it wouldn’t seem to justify what Steven Gerrard is all about. Just how talented, athletic and passionate he was and is couldn’t be comprehended without seeing it all, being there even if only in heart and not body for the 646 games he has done more than just play for this club but at times carry on his shoulders amidst the entity of greatness and expectation that surrounds it, embracing this wonderful football club and city; it’s an honour.

It was his drive that really captured the imagination. Gerrard could appear from nowhere galloping like a racehorse towards the opposition penalty area, his eyes narrowed, his glare firm, and his strike sweet as he made it habitual to arrive from deep just at the right time to rifle the ball into the corner of the goal time and time again. But he could do so much more, as he chased and harried in midfield and lunged out with a telescopic leg take make a tackle that looked quite frankly impossible, hooking the ball away from his opponent before quickly getting back to his feet to go and support for the ball. Once he got it he could spray passes wherever he chose with pinpoint precision as he stretched games length and widthways at a canter before slotting a perfect through ball for any half decent run in behind. He’d play right back in European cup finals, throw himself in front of goal, charge players off the ball and surge towards the opponents half. Winning headers, making tackles, scoring goals and assists, there was little this man couldn’t do on a football park.

We’ve been blessed, because we can compare Steven Gerrard to the likes of Kenny Dalglish, Emlyn Hughes, John Barnes, Ian Rush, St John and many more. Most clubs, 99% of clubs, don’t even see a player with half of Stevie’s ability in its history. Anybody that underplays this man and what he has done over his tenure is not one of us. Alex Ferguson for example – born out of so much bitterness he cannot even applaud possibly the greatest talent of a generation because he wasn’t his. The fact that a man that despises this club so much doesn’t have a particularly good word to voice of our captains abilities speaks volumes of its own. He hates the fact that Steven is a born scouser that plays with the passion and bluster for Liverpool. It tears him up that we produced something and someone better than he ever could even with all the coaches, scouts and Premier League medals in the world.

I can be somewhat of a romanticist at times when it comes to the club I love and the players who I crave to make it successful, but my football brain keeps ticking over between my ears and my heart sinks when I see somebody get the better of Gerrard. I am not in the habit of criticising players, knee-jerking or ‘fanboying’. There are things that are becoming apparent and have been doing over the last year or so in regards to doubting whether Gerrard brings more to the side than he does take away from it. He’s always been athletic and reactive; his game is of course built on the foundations of talent but the explosive pace, strength and stamina that accompanied his technical qualities are really what have made him an extraordinary player rather than just a very good one. It’s the blend of mentality, athleticism and technical skills that have allowed Gerrard to become the iconic figure of Liverpool’s recent history; jack of all trades, master of most. The problem is, nature dictates that while his talent and will to win will never waver, his body will, and that’s the cause we’ve had for concern this last 18 months or so has been. He has lost explosiveness, he has lost the ability to lunge time and time again and travel the length of the pitch for fun. There’s nobody that can do a thing about it, time waits for no mortal nor god alike.

Take away the romanticism; screw your football head on and listen to what we’ve heard our incredibly bright manager say. When Brendan Rodgers speaks about midfield he talks about energy, pressing, functionality pressure, and ‘earning the right to play’. Henderson, Allen and Lucas almost sum up that in their game, the aforementioned duo particularly. The idea is to challenge the player with the ball as early as possible, and with persistence and tenacity all across the midfield with players acting in a pack affect. One player goes and directly challenges the opponent (this will customarily be the nearest player to the ball) whilst another goes and cuts off a passing angle, and a third picking up a position where the ball is likely to drop duo to two angles being cut off – pick up somewhere in between the two remaining angles (Alonso was superb at this) and the ball may well find its way within a few yards of you if it isn’t already with your team mates. The art of anticipation in midfield. The roles will of course change dependant on where the ball is, so all of them must have an idea of how to do this and must be able to press in the system we play. It doesn’t apply to every game though, let me make that clear – I still think there are easily 25 games across a season schedule where one of the pressers can be dropped for more finesse.

I’ve been politely saying that Stevie is a luxury player for some time now, and he is an excellent one lest we forget. In games at Anfield where we are going to be allowed to play on the front foot and Gerrard is allowed time and space then he is a player we can afford to have on the park for his pure ability at the expense of balance/energy/mobility because we are not going to be pressed as tenaciously in midfield as we do away from home. Part of the reason for our good form against the fodder at Anfield is because of Stevie’s technical brilliance to pick a range of passes with the time and space to find and execute them, as well as giving us a noteworthy edge at set-pieces recently. He does this very well, and even back in his prime despite his ill-discipline positionally (one of the only flaws in Gerrard’s game) I urged Rafa to start Gerrard deeper in games where we were struggling to score against deep, organised backlines even though I never rated him as highly as a cm as I did out wide or higher up the pitch – I suppose the problem was we didn’t have anybody further up the pitch to replace his significant goal threat from there – I never did like him playing with his back to goal though, so I guess there’s arguments on both sides of the coin, but Rafa is a cannier man than I.

The problem is when we play teams that will pressure the space in midfield by squeezing the backline up and sanctioning their midfielders to press ferociously rather than contain and hold positionally. Gerrard has lost that explosiveness a reactive player needs to be competitive in the hustle and his lack of ability to press and track runners effectively has cost us and made the midfield look weaker than the sum of its parts. People are quick to point to key pass and possession stats and a lack of creativity without Gerrard in the side. Whilst I can understand their concerns particularly at home against stubborn teams, I think they are failing to realise what it is we actually want primarily in midfield, functionality.

Functionality means providing a solid basis where you can expect certain things at certain times. Our midfield against Spurs produced what was expected by winning the ball back quickly, keeping possession well when required, as well as showing the ability to play key passes and play on the break with Henderson giving us a short glimpse of what we used to once regularly see from Stevie by striding through the midfield on the break at pace and playing clever balls in and around full backs to open sides up. Allen of course keeps the ball very well and has shown he can be creative albeit in a different manner. I’ve used this expression for years, but if a midfielder were trying to get into a house, Steven Gerrard would bash the door down, Xavi would pick the lock, and Alonso would go round to the side door. Gerrard is doing more of the latter than his old style, but there are three key ways to get through a midfield to create chances and Henderson and Allen between them fall into two whilst Stevie offers a bit of each but without the functionality behind it.

We don’t want to admit it, or can’t, and others have been peddling shite about Gerrard for years regardless of how he’s done because there is an albeit small anti-Gerrard brigade. Criticising or questioning his role in the first team is sometimes treated as blasphemous, so you’re associated with these types who for some reason do hold an agenda against our skipper (Andy@ would love this thread title were he still among us) but we are not questioning the legend himself or his talent, we are questioning how much his body and lack of athleticism is affecting the team as a whole. For these reasons, some of us have veiled at thoughts and solutions rather than regurgitate the points; I know I’ve held back a fair bit from voicing my concerns, and I don’t doubt you’ve done so yourself, despite your honesty, because of the reaction you’ll inevitably get.  I’m not sure what takes more balls, dropping Steven Gerrard or suggesting it on RAWK. It’s perfectly comprehensible and I empathise wholeheartedly as I witness my childhood hero gradually fall from grace; my brain itches at these thoughts because Stevie is one of us, and we defend our own – it’s part of the Liverpool Way.

Nature however, is even bigger than the club, and by proxy, bigger than the man I have idolised for so long.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 07:13:21 pm »
Utterly fantastic, so split out as a new topic for everyone to enjoy. :)

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2013, 07:17:07 pm »
Yeah, pretty perfectly encapsulates what I'm sure many are thinking and have been thinking about Gerrard. Think Daws nails it - brilliant read.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2013, 07:18:31 pm »
superb just superb

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2013, 07:22:06 pm »
Just to be pedantic, West Ham was in Cardiff, not at Wembley :P

Other than that though, fantastic read, great stuff.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 07:26:12 pm »
We'll win the league and he can retire with a full medal haul. I sort of want that to happen as much as I want the team and club to win the title.





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And eeeeeeer no.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2013, 07:26:24 pm »
Gerrard will always be my favourite player but Daws is absolutely spot on.

Fantastic read and very well written  :)
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2013, 07:39:03 pm »
We'll win the league and he can retire with a full medal haul. I sort of want that to happen as much as I want the team and club to win the title.

Or at least have the option to. I think he still has a lot to give this year, but if the Allen-Hendo partnership proves as strong as it looks, it will be a matter of picking the right games for him to work his magic, just as Daws has laid out in this great piece.

Thanks Daws, great read.  :wellin

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2013, 07:45:34 pm »
Brilliant post
I think the thread at the time needed it badly as I don't think neither 'side' can argue with what's written in it.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2013, 07:53:43 pm »
Great read. And couldn't agree more with your assessment.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2013, 08:05:08 pm »
We'll win the league and he can retire with a full medal haul. I sort of want that to happen as much as I want the team and club to win the title.



Definitely agree - I hope he gets to lift the trophy before he hangs those boots up. Would have loved Carra to be around to be able to lift it as well, but that wasn't to be.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2013, 08:16:46 pm »
no doubt Stevie is slowing down... but he will be an asset for a while to come. Suarez made it clear that Stevie would always be the captain. I doubt Brendan will go from starting him in every single game to not playing him at all - tho would agree he should be used more sparingly. Would this post have been made if we had lost against Spurs 5-0? The result there was amazing but Suarez was the spirit behind it and although i love Hendo i dont think he can put in that level of performance every game yet.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2013, 08:29:08 pm »
Fantastic post that. I particularly loved the bit about Stevie bashing the door down, Xavi picking the lock and Alonso using the side door. He's got a part to play for us, absolutely no doubt about that. Now and then this season and last he's looked, at times, like a boxer who doesn't have the speed anymore, or doesn't quite last the 12 rounds, but is still capable of knocking you out with one punch or schooling you for a duration of the fight. Manage him better, don't play him in every game and his reputation won't fade at all. He's approaching 34 now and he's had a tough, battling career both with injuries and in games. I find it very depressing when people who have slagged him off for many years somehow now feel vindicated because he's not the force he was. For me, he's the best player we've ever had. A true force of nature as you say Daws, a once in a generation player.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 08:39:09 pm »
Excellent article Daws, as always.  But I disagree, to a tiny extent.

I'm with you on the lack of athleticism but there's more. He's still passing beautifully and he's still getting assists.  Not just in passing but to very good effect. I like the infield three that played at Spurs but I've been banging the drum about him on the right from the first season Rafa played him there and I think he could sit there easily, perhaps like a fitter and more dynamic latter day Beckham.  It is also clear that the players respect and look up to him, something that one can't minimise the effect of that.

So for me, some games in the middle, more so at home and some games on the right, probably away when we don't necessarily want to attack with Sterling, Henderson or A.N. Other, and there's a place for him in the starting line up for a couple of years yet.

But again, lovely piece which I really enjoyed reading.

And the man is a player who even an old fogey like me can say that I was privileged to see in out shirt.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2013, 08:41:39 pm »
Great read Daws; he'll be a bit like Robson at United and he'll get that elusive League Winners medal late on and when he probably wasn't the 'main man' anymore.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2013, 08:46:59 pm »
Nice read that, well written and some excellent points.

I want to see Gerrard coming on in the 60th minute of a game, absolutely raring to go. I feel like we would see the "Old Gerrard" you describe to a tee.

He won't have to conserve his energy to last the 90, he'll be able to go flat out for 30 minutes. It could be just what he needs.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2013, 09:12:21 pm »
A wonderful, wonderful post mate. It was thoroughly enjoyable to sit and read about how fortunate we have been to develop and retain such a fantastic, world respected footballer.

Every bit of your eloquent description and each single positive adjective was music to my ears mate.

Thank you Daws.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2013, 09:42:15 pm »
I think we should review this after a few more games in our best ever player's absence. Then we can fairy consider again.
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2013, 09:48:45 pm »

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2013, 09:50:13 pm »
I'm proud to say that it was my thread which provoked such a good post.

The credit lies with me.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2013, 09:57:00 pm »
We'll win the league and he can retire with a full medal haul. I sort of want that to happen as much as I want the team and club to win the title.

I think there won´t be coming a bigger chance for this to happen than this season. It´s definitely possible, the next couple of games could change everything as they also will set the tone for the upcoming transfer window.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2013, 09:57:20 pm »
Thank you Mr Daws, far more eloquently put than I could ever dream of.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2013, 10:06:25 pm »
What a great read.   Hope the Spurs performance is not a one-off.  Repeat this and things will be put into proper perspective.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2013, 10:21:07 pm »
One of them posts where you just love to read again.

The bigger question is weather this midfield can be consistent. And if it can, a Gerrard back from injury might be the final hunger and drive to the top

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2013, 10:26:27 pm »
One of them posts where you just love to read again.

The bigger question is weather this midfield can be consistent. And if it can, a Gerrard back from injury might be the final hunger and drive to the top

Why, is a midfield WITH Gerrard consistently ehm, consistent?

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2013, 10:41:55 pm »
Why, is a midfield WITH Gerrard consistently ehm, consistent?

Btw, the weather here is cloudy, with intermittent rain.  :wave

That's not what I said. We all look for life after Gerrard, and it is consistency even after one game. I wouldn't write him off just yet

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2013, 10:50:30 pm »
That's not what I said. We all look for life after Gerrard, and it is consistency even after one game. I wouldn't write him off just yet

We saw a decent level of consistency from a Gerrardless midfield of much the same pattern, but with a lesser set of players. That team steamrollered the minnows and got decent to excellent results and performances against Arsenal and Man City. What it shows is that a midfield without Gerrard isn't a cause for slitting wrists, as was bemoaned before the Tottenham game. Like I said before that game, losing out on his qualities just means we have to play differently, and spread his singular influence across the team rather than rely on him alone.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2013, 11:22:32 pm »
We'll win the league and he can retire with a full medal haul. I sort of want that to happen as much as I want the team and club to win the title.

Yep same. I think, in my case, you can take the 'sort of' out of your sentence.

I would die a little inside if Gerrard finished his career without a league title, it would hurt me. This guy, more than any other player I've seen, deserves a league title. 10 years of genuinely world class service, it's a real tragedy. Similar to Ballack's tragedies in a way.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2013, 11:44:56 pm »
It's as if we're all intrigued as to what the world (team) will be like without him. At the moment it's 'fuck me we were brilliant, and we didn't have Stevie" but that was one game so we're cautious but brave enough to ask the question. Maybe he'll get his explosiveness back in the second half of the season - the whole team seems to have shaken off whatever it was that was making us look like we could only play an hour. It wasn't just Stevie. He's still easily one of our best players based on his contribution so far this season and perhaps when this goes, that's the time to seriously ask the question.

Never thought I'd see the day we'd win 5-0 at Spurs anytime soon, let alone without the skipper.

Great OP by the way - thanks.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2013, 12:14:54 am »
Great OP

The game at the emirates this season was the final proof of this for me - I'm afraid to say he was almost a bystander in that game unable to either to get on the ball and dictate play or do anything to stop the opposition

His quality on the ball hasn't diminished and it's not a black and white question - he's not suddenly a bad player
We've been incredibly lucky to have him (at a cost of 0 transfer fees by the way) and are still lucky to have him but he should be an option to be deployed tactically - sometimes as a starter, sometimes as an impact player; but viewing him as the first name on the team sheet or a fixture in the team is living in denial of the facts on the pitch

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2013, 12:25:25 am »
 Wow  - great post!

Since he has improved his dead ball ability and given that we play our fullbacks on the halfway line why not slot him in at RB and move Glen to the other side or just replace him directly?
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2013, 12:30:41 am »
The problem is when we play teams that will pressure the space in midfield by squeezing the backline up and sanctioning their midfielders to press ferociously rather than contain and hold positionally. Gerrard has lost that explosiveness a reactive player needs to be competitive in the hustle and his lack of ability to press and track runners effectively has cost us and made the midfield look weaker than the sum of its parts. People are quick to point to key pass and possession stats and a lack of creativity without Gerrard in the side. Whilst I can understand their concerns particularly at home against stubborn teams, I think they are failing to realise what it is we actually want primarily in midfield, functionality.

This for me sums up what I've been feeling about our midfield. Stevie is such a great player and it's only really been against the top sides that press us more that he's struggled. I think Lucas has copped some flack from those who haven't considered the functionality that comes from the sum of all the midfielders working together.

I would love us to win the title this season if for no other reason than for Steven Gerrard. He doesn't have too many seasons left to do it but to do it as Captain and while he still has plenty to offer is no less that he deserves. Hi name will always be synonymous with the term "Liverpool Legend".

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2013, 12:31:01 am »
Wow  - great post!

Since he has improved his dead ball ability and given that we play our fullbacks on the halfway line why not slot him in at RB and move Glen to the other side or just replace him directly?

If the problem with Gerrard is his athleticism and engine then the position that requires the greatest amount of athleticism would probably be an even greater problem.

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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2013, 12:35:48 am »
If the problem with Gerrard is his athleticism and engine then the position that requires the greatest amount of athleticism would probably be an even greater problem.

He's still one of the best athletes on the team - isn't his problem stamina? (which is why i said fullback rather than wingback)
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2013, 12:36:38 am »
I'm proud to say that it was my thread which provoked such a good post.

The credit lies with me.

And only me.

The fact they had to split it out from that thread probably showed how good it was  ;)
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2013, 12:37:25 am »
The fact they had to split it out from that thread probably showed how good it was  ;)

Or how bad the rest were :D
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2013, 12:47:24 am »
Or how bad the rest were :D

Exactly my point!
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2013, 12:50:13 am »
He's still one of the best athletes on the team - isn't his problem stamina? (which is why i said fullback rather than wingback)

No. His problem is power and power endurance.
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2013, 12:57:59 am »
No. His problem is power and power endurance.

Excuse my ignorance - what do you mean by these terms?

From a lay point of view how is Gerrard/Johnson less powerful than Johnson/Flanagan and what is the difference between stamina and power endurance?
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Re: Daws on Steven Gerrard
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2013, 01:01:12 am »
Excuse my ignorance - what do you mean by these terms?

From a lay point of view how is Gerrard/Johnson less powerful than Johnson/Flanagan and what is the difference between stamina and power endurance?

Stamina is based on his oxygen intake as much as his muscular power

The power and power endurance is probably better said as sprint and sprint repeatability. In other words, in the first 15 minutes, he can make numerous sprints. After that, he starts to tire, and isn't able to sprint as fast, turn as fast, and make as many sprints in a short time, the longer the game goes on
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