Topic: Injury news only thread. *

[Djimi Smicer34]

The break has come at a great time for us.

Klopp sounded optimistic about Trent and Wijnaldum so hopefully we'll have them back for Leicester.  Lovren should be fit then too and Gomez won't be much longer after him.

[tornado]

Didnt look like it but hoping Fabinho was more a case of time wasting rather than a genuine injury. As is, we are really poor at "game management" but just hoping for this one time. Anyway, didnt look too bad by his reaction when leaving the pitch.

[classycarra]

Hmmm I don't see anything official?

Paraphrasing what he said to BBC after 'we're not too sure yet, hamstring or cramp'

[jillcwhomever]

With eleven days before we play again hopefully things will look better.

[riismeister]

Brewster has had another operation...

Will be the best part of 18 months out... at his stage of development that could be highly detrimental to his development...

Hope not.

Seemed to work well for Gomez.

[_Redman]

James Pearce: Fabinho went off with a hamstring problem. Reds waiting to discover the extent of the issue

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/1086723715465969665

[buttersstotch]

James Pearce: Fabinho went off with a hamstring problem. Reds waiting to discover the extent of the issue

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/1086723715465969665

Shame if true as you'd expect him to miss the Leicester match.

[killer-heels]

Shame if true as you'd expect him to miss the Leicester match.

A week in sunny and warm Dubai will sort that out.

[NewfoundRed]

Do we still use horse placenta?

[farawayred]

This:

A week in sunny and warm Dubai will sort that out.

...and this:

Do we still use horse placenta?

And an oxygen tent. Now, please!

[Ghost Town]

Do we still use horse placenta?

That does not accord with established practice.

[Ghost Town]

Shame if true as you'd expect him to miss the Leicester match.

If Gini is fit, than he, Hendo and Shaq should outfox the foxes.

Be just out luck if Puel is sacked tomorrow though and they have NMB. But we'll still win

[royhendo]

Here’s a question. There are a lot of “experts” out there talking about tired players based on minutes played across the season... but if you have three games with ten days between them or so, does that length of recovery effectively reset the healing-based clock?

[TepidT2O]

Here’s a question. There are a lot of “experts” out there talking about tired players based on minutes played across the season... but if you have three games with ten days between them or so, does that length of recovery effectively reset the healing-based clock?

I would imagine so.  Hence the mid season break most leagues have.

[Welshred]

Here’s a question. There are a lot of “experts” out there talking about tired players based on minutes played across the season... but if you have three games with ten days between them or so, does that length of recovery effectively reset the healing-based clock?

Yes and no.

So this study here shows that you have an increased risk of getting an injury if your games were less than or equal to 4 days apart come to more than or equal to 6 days, which is why our Christmas break was pretty much perfect with the majority of games being 5 days apart and allowing for optimal rest and recovery. You could theorise that having 10 days between games would reduce the injury risk further however this study here shows that players with a higher workload are actually protected against injury than those with lower workloads. Essentially if you play a match every 10 days then you won't be conditioned for the high workload and intensity of a match day which would also lead to an increased injury risk. The sweetspot is between 5 and 7 days rest between matches, but to throw a curve ball in there this study shows that if your players are used to playing matches every 4 or 5 days then the risk of injury is also reduced, it's how you deal with the between game days rather than giving the players a complete rest and Champions League clubs generally fair better during busy periods than those who don't play midweek most weeks.

[TepidT2O]

Yes and no.

So this study here shows that you have an increased risk of getting an injury if your games were less than or equal to 4 days apart come to more than or equal to 6 days, which is why our Christmas break was pretty much perfect with the majority of games being 5 days apart and allowing for optimal rest and recovery. You could theorise that having 10 days between games would reduce the injury risk further however this study here shows that players with a higher workload are actually protected against injury than those with lower workloads. Essentially if you play a match every 10 days then you won't be conditioned for the high workload and intensity of a match day which would also lead to an increased injury risk. The sweetspot is between 5 and 7 days rest between matches, but to throw a curve ball in there this study shows that if your players are used to playing matches every 4 or 5 days then the risk of injury is also reduced, it's how you deal with the between game days rather than giving the players a complete rest and Champions League clubs generally fair better during busy periods than those who don't play midweek most weeks.

Yeah, the secret will be ensuring that we keep the conditioning high.

Interestingly, Alisson said on Monday that he loved double sessions.  Some sort of enhanced training with fewer games maybe?

I do worry about the Leicester game though... too much time for match fitness to drop.

[jillcwhomever]

It'll be the first game back for both teams after eleven days though I think, also being at Anfield should give us an advantage. Hopefully some of the injured players will be a lot closer too.

[royhendo]

Thank you gents. But in terms of the prevention of injury, I’m guessing it helps does it? Sharpness is the issue...

[Welshred]

Thank you gents. But in terms of the prevention of injury, I’m guessing it helps does it? Sharpness is the issue...

10 days between games would increase the injury risk rather than lower it.

[istvan kozma]

10 days between games would increase the injury risk rather than lower it.

Common sense and logic, say's otherwise.

[Welshred]

Common sense and logic, say's otherwise.

Yet science disagrees with you

[istvan kozma]

Yet science disagrees with you

If that was the case, why do teams have winter breaks and go off for warm weather training if it increase's injury risk?
Pretty stupid for LFC to swan off to Dubai if it increases injury risk, maybe they know more than you, just a thought.

[FlashGordon]

If that was the case, why do teams have winter breaks and go off for warm weather training if it increase's injury risk?

Because they have the time off anyway? They don't get allocated extra time off to go away on these jaunts 

[dudleyred]

10 days between games would increase the injury risk rather than lower it.

Can that be combated through keeping training intense rather than putting their feet up?

[Welshred]

If that was the case, why do teams have winter breaks and go off for warm weather training if it increase's injury risk?

They don't stop playing games in that time though, they play friendlies during those training camps for money reasons and sharpness reasons. Its a short reduction in intensity that in theory helps them to reduce injury risk at the end of a long season but you could also make an argument that the way the fixtures are scheduled to give adequate rest also helps with that.

[Welshred]

Pretty stupid for LFC to swan off to Dubai if it increases injury risk, maybe they know more than you, just a thought.

Completely irrelevant as its an enforced break

[Welshred]

Can that be combated through keeping training intense rather than putting their feet up?

I guess double sessions would do it but nothing beats the intensity of a match

[PoetryInMotion]

10 days between games would increase the injury risk rather than lower it.

Is it the case with a 1 off 10 day gap, or in the case of a continuous set of fixtures all with a 10 day gap? Apologies if it's a silly question as the latter never happens.

[istvan kozma]

They don't stop playing games in that time though, they play friendlies during those training camps for money reasons and sharpness reasons. Its a short reduction in intensity that in theory helps them to reduce injury risk at the end of a long season but you could also make an argument that the way the fixtures are scheduled to give adequate rest also helps with that.

In Spain they have a have a break for 10 days or so, why would they do that if it increases risk of injury?

[royhendo]

Thanks again. So the training has to be pretty intense I guess.

[Welshred]

Is it the case with a 1 off 10 day gap, or in the case of a continuous set of fixtures all with a 10 day gap? Apologies if it's a silly question as the latter never happens.

It's the case of a one or two 10 day gaps between games then going back to a normal fixture schedule of a weekend/mid week. The club will have plans for it though. I couldn't tell you what the case would be for a continuous set of fixtures with a 10 day gap because there's no examples to look back and follow alongside no research to back it up. It would be guesswork between thinking the extra rest would be beneficial versus the increased tempo and intensity of a match day having an adverse effect without having the chronic:acute workload being built up to help protect players.

[royhendo]

They don't stop playing games in that time though, they play friendlies during those training camps for money reasons and sharpness reasons. Its a short reduction in intensity that in theory helps them to reduce injury risk at the end of a long season but you could also make an argument that the way the fixtures are scheduled to give adequate rest also helps with that.

Ah you already answered - thanks again.

[Welshred]

In Spain they have a have a break for 10 days or so, why would they do that if it increases risk of injury?

You've literally just ignored my first sentence so re-read that.

[PoetryInMotion]

It's the case of a one or two 10 day gaps between games then going back to a normal fixture schedule of a weekend/mid week. The club will have plans for it though. I couldn't tell you what the case would be for a continuous set of fixtures with a 10 day gap because there's no examples to look back and follow alongside no research to back it up. It would be guesswork between thinking the extra rest would be beneficial versus the increased tempo and intensity of a match day having an adverse effect without having the chronic:acute workload being built up to help protect players.

Thanks, that helps.

We have a 10 day break & then 3 games in 2 weeks. So, I'm guessing we might need a bit of planned intense sessions or even a closed door game to cope with it.

[istvan kozma]

Completely irrelevant as its an enforced break

Why is it relevant if the break is enforced or not?
The fact is you've claimed that resting for 10 days increases the risk of injury.

[TepidT2O]

Why is it relevant if the break is enforced or not?
The fact is you've claimed that resting for 10 days increases the risk of injury.

Yes, because players can drop the peak of their physical levels and therefore are more susceptible to injury

[istvan kozma]

You've literally just ignored my first sentence so re-read that.

No I haven't, I doubt the likes of Messi and Suarez were playing friendlies during that 10 break over Xmas.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Classic of example of too much of anything = bad. [whether it be too many games or too much rest]

[Welshred]

Why is it relevant if the break is enforced or not?
The fact is you've claimed that resting for 10 days increases the risk of injury.

As the club would be staying at Melwood and preparing for an FA Cup match if it wasn't enforced so your point of the club being stupid by doing it is irrelevant because they wouldn't be if we were still in the cup.

I've provided evidence that shows that 10 days between games increases the chance of injury in my original post so it is up to you to 1) choose to accept that evidence and 2) provide peer reviewed research to dispute that. Your choice.

Thanks, that helps.

We have a 10 day break & then 3 games in 2 weeks. So, I'm guessing we might need a bit of planned intense sessions or even a closed door game to cope with it.

Probably yeah, the club will have something planned for it anyway. The evidence I've posted and the stuff I've seen presented in conferences is only a snapshot of what is known, we'll be fine.

[classycarra]

I've provided evidence that shows that 10 days between games increases the chance of injury in my original post so it is up to you to 1) choose to accept that evidence and 2) provide peer reviewed research to dispute that. Your choice.

You've made a valiant effort mate! Common sense and an involuntary fixture list being used as 'evidence' against the scientific method...