Author Topic: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp (Read 150944 times)

Upanishad · « **Reply #280 on:** February 19, 2013, 02:42:05 pm »

We need Columbo

CraigDS · « **Reply #281 on:** February 19, 2013, 02:46:10 pm »

Quote from: Upanishad on February 19, 2013, 02:42:05 pm

We need Columbo

He looks stumped there

scoresagain · « **Reply #282 on:** February 19, 2013, 02:54:10 pm »

I can find a way of believing everything he has said, but the fact the toilet is in it's own room within the bathroom is the biggest issue I have with his statement.

I think this is his full statement...
http://reut.rs/ZdgByH

PhiLFC#1 · « **Reply #283 on:** February 19, 2013, 02:55:03 pm »

"He got up in the middle of the night without his prosthetic limbs to retrieve a fan.
He was in the hall outside of the bathroom, heared a noise, and without his legs, he felt vulnerable.
He fired shots.
He then went to the bedroom, to retrieve his legs, and at that point realised his girlfriend was not in bed.
Realising it may be her, He then broke down the bathroom door with a cricket bat, and carried his girefriend down stairs.
He comforted her as she died."

So his defence is to admit that he's the dumbest person in the world

Samee · « **Reply #284 on:** February 19, 2013, 02:55:28 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Richie on February 19, 2013, 11:03:25 am

I can't believe some of you in here take a headline, and an article based on heresay and rumour and decide he's guilty as charged, before any evidence is presented in court.

Liverpool fans of all people should realise the dangers of speculation on a headline.

The chances are he probably is guilty of a crime, but some of you in here are hypocrites of the higest order to commit a man as guilty before all the facts are even presented by the authorities.

Shame on you.

Or is it perfectly fine to be spoon fed bullshit, if the headline doesn't effect you.

Well said mate.

Effes · « **Reply #285 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:00:40 pm »

Guilty as fuck

masch · « **Reply #286 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:01:13 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Richie on February 19, 2013, 11:03:25 am

Maybe they're scared of him doing a runner.

As for some aspects of this wider thread.

I can't believe some of you in here take a headline, and an article based on heresay and rumour and decide he's guilty as charged, before any evidence is presented in court.

Liverpool fans of all people should realise the dangers of speculation on a headline.

The chances are he probably is guilty of a crime, but some of you in here are hypocrites of the higest order to commit a man as guilty before all the facts are even presented by the authorities.

Shame on you.

Or is it perfectly fine to be spoon fed bullshit, if the headline doesn't effect you.

No you numpty this is completely different.

People are commenting on the exact same information the judge is getting. You can argue it's premature to not wait until all evidence has been presented, but it's hardly wrong to consider the defences case, *as* they've stated it is it?

CHOPPER · « **Reply #287 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:04:12 pm »

South African police announce they think it was Pistorious - in the bathroom, with the cricket bat and shotgun.....Sounds like they haven't got a Cluedo.

PhiLFC#1 · « **Reply #288 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:04:13 pm »

Even if it wasn't pre-meditated murder it's still his stupid-ass fault she's dead, imagine being a friend or relative of her or something and you find out some idiot shot her 4 times in them circumstances

CraigDS · « **Reply #289 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:05:48 pm »

Quote from: PhiLFC#1 on February 19, 2013, 03:04:13 pm

Even if it wasn't pre-meditated murder it's still his stupid-ass fault she's dead, imagine being a friend or relative of her or something and you find out some idiot shot her 4 times in them circumstances

Her family seem to think it was a tragic accident from what I've heard them saying.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #290 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:07:02 pm »

Quote from: PhiLFC#1 on February 19, 2013, 03:04:13 pm

Even if it wasn't pre-meditated murder it's still his stupid-ass fault she's dead, imagine being a friend or relative of her or something and you find out some idiot shot her 4 times in them circumstances

It's the huge flaw in his defence....

You thought it was somone else..... Oh that's alright then, you're free to go sir

CHOPPER · « **Reply #291 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:07:21 pm »

Quote from: PhiLFC#1 on February 19, 2013, 03:04:13 pm

Even if it wasn't pre-meditated murder it's still his stupid-ass fault she's dead, imagine being a friend or relative of her or something and you find out some idiot shot her 4 times in them circumstances

I thought people who meditated were chilled and relaxed types?

Shows you what I know.

Owum Owum Owum ling ling ling ling.......

Roady · « **Reply #292 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:07:32 pm »

so the guy shoots her four times without checking if she is bed first ebcause he thought there was an intruder.First thing you do is check everyone,all your loved ones, regardless how many are in the house is ok.Basically this fellas defence is that he is one thick fucker? or am i missing something?

PhiLFC#1 · « **Reply #293 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:07:47 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on February 19, 2013, 03:05:48 pm

Her family seem to think it was a tragic accident from what I've heard them saying.

Mad, wonder if they've heard how crazy it all sounds

Camarero25 · « **Reply #294 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:08:49 pm »

Frankly, he's either an absolute bastard or and absolute muppet.

What the fuck would a burglar be doing locking himself in the bathroom anyway? Taking a shit?

CHOPPER · « **Reply #295 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:09:19 pm »

Quote from: Roady on February 19, 2013, 03:07:32 pm

so the guy shoots her four times without checking if she is bed first ebcause he thought there was an intruder.First thing you do is check everyone,all your loved ones, regardless how many are in the house is ok.Basically this fellas defence is that he is one thick fucker? or am i missing something?

Yes, he just wanted to kill her.

A pretty novel concept I reckon.

scoresagain · « **Reply #296 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:10:52 pm »

Quote from: Tepid water on February 19, 2013, 03:07:02 pm

It's the huge flaw in his defence....

You thought it was somone else..... Oh that's alright then, you're free to go sir

That's not it, he's guilty of something, it's just that something is yet to be decided. Premeditated murder carries a much higher sentence than murder.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #297 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:11:38 pm »

Quote from: Camarero25 on February 19, 2013, 03:08:49 pm

Frankly, he's either an absolute bastard or and absolute muppet.

What the fuck would a burglar be doing locking himself in the bathroom anyway? Taking a shit?

Do you know how much Yi-Lang Yi-lang and Lilly of the valley fetches on the black market these days?

Sir Psycho Sexy · « **Reply #298 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:15:23 pm »

Quote from: Camarero25 on February 19, 2013, 03:08:49 pm

Frankly, he's either an absolute bastard or and absolute muppet.

What the fuck would a burglar be doing locking himself in the bathroom anyway? Taking a shit?

To be fair, have you seen America's dumbest criminals? One robber decided to steal everything, but before he made his getaway, he decided to make himself a sandwich.

- I suppose it would be pretty good to know you robbed Oscar Pistorious blind and just to rub it in, you have the audacity to leave him a dump while he was in the next room.

Swright90 · « **Reply #299 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:19:30 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on February 19, 2013, 01:58:05 pm

Bit of an assumption. Bathroom could be tiny. Door could be directly behind the toilet/sink/mirror.

In fact in 2 of my bathrooms if you shot directly through the door then a pretty high chance of getting someone stood anywhere in there.

To be fair, you don't live in a mansion, im guessing?

That bathroom is probably bigger than my lounge. The chances of connecting with all 4 shots would be slim unless Reeva was in close proximity to the door.

Not that this disproves Oscars theory.

El Lobo · « **Reply #300 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:26:03 pm »

It sounds like he wasn't startled, got up out of bed to get a fan cos he was too hot, on retrieving the fan heard someone in the bathroom so fired through the locked door, went back to the bedroom, put his legs on, discovered his gf wasn't there, broke the door in with a cricket bat and then discovered he'd shot her?

So where did the gun come from? Did he carry the gun to get the fan?

I'm thinking his lawyers might have to pull the Chebacca defence out for this one...

CHOPPER · « **Reply #301 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:28:43 pm »

Quote from: El Lobo on February 19, 2013, 03:26:03 pm

It sounds like he wasn't startled, got up out of bed to get a fan cos he was too hot, on retrieving the fan heard someone in the bathroom so fired through the locked door, went back to the bedroom, put his legs on, discovered his gf wasn't there, broke the door in with a cricket bat and then discovered he'd shot her?

So where did the gun come from? Did he carry the gun to get the fan?

This is one of them lateral thinking conundrums isn't it?

They're not both gold fish are they?

Paul JH · « **Reply #302 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:29:53 pm »

Quote from: Samee on February 19, 2013, 02:55:28 pm

Well said mate.

No it isn't. Most of what has been said this morning was comments on what the defence and prosecution and the man himself were saying in court, NOT a newspaper headline, and I don't really appreciate being associated with people that need to be told they should know better than trust a newspaper headline bringing unnessesary comparisons to painful stories that have hurt us in the past, which is the sum total of fuck all to do with anything that has been said in this thread today.

And breathe.

eirwen · « **Reply #303 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:30:39 pm »

Quote from: scoresagain on February 19, 2013, 03:10:52 pm

That's not it, he's guilty of something, it's just that something is yet to be decided. Premeditated murder carries a much higher sentence than murder.

In this case IF it's murder, surely it's premeditated? He shot through the bathroom door. You can't argue he didn't mean to kill.

PhiLFC#1 · « **Reply #304 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:33:52 pm »

Quote from: Paul JH on February 19, 2013, 03:29:53 pm

No it isn't. Most of what has been said this morning was comments on what the defence and prosecution and the man himself were saying in court, not a newspaper headline, and I don't really appreciate being associated with people that need to be told they should know better than trust a newspaper headline bringing unnessesary comparisons to painful stories that have hurt us in the past, which is the sum total of fuck all to do with anything that has been said in this thread today.

And breathe.

Quote from: Samee on February 19, 2013, 02:55:28 pm

Well said mate.

robertobaggio37 · « **Reply #305 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:35:54 pm »

Quote from: Upanishad on February 19, 2013, 02:42:05 pm

We need Columbo

scoresagain · « **Reply #306 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:44:41 pm »

Quote from: eirwen on February 19, 2013, 03:30:39 pm

In this case IF it's murder, surely it's premeditated? He shot through the bathroom door. You can't argue he didn't mean to kill.

It is murder, there is no doubting that. It depends on whether the prosecution can find sufficient evidence to prove he wanted to kill her before firing.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #307 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:46:30 pm »

Quote from: scoresagain on February 19, 2013, 03:44:41 pm

It is murder, there is no doubting that. It depends on whether the prosecution can find sufficient evidence to prove he wanted to kill her before firing.

Do they have to prove that he wanted to kill her though, or do they have to prove that he wanted to kill whoever he thought was behind the door?

CraigDS · « **Reply #308 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:47:49 pm »

Quote from: Swright90 on February 19, 2013, 03:19:30 pm

To be fair, you don't live in a mansion, im guessing?

That bathroom is probably bigger than my lounge. The chances of connecting with all 4 shots would be slim unless Reeva was in close proximity to the door.

Not that this disproves Oscars theory.

She was in a toilet which was in a separate toilet room within the bathroom, so I highly doubt it's anything more than a rectangular room with a loo at one end.

♠Dirty Harry♠ · « **Reply #309 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:54:29 pm »

My problem with his defence, and it's the most telling, is why he shot through a door with no questions asked, there was no immediate threat if there was a door between him and whoever he thought was there.

So you're left with two options:

A: If someone locks themselves in the bathroom, then you ask them to identify themselves.
B: if you get no reply call the cops and wait 'til they try to come out and then pop them.

The second scenario mustn't have happened as he had to bust the door down with a cricket bat, so you have to question where was the immediate threat to him?

It's patchy as fuck if you ask me.

scoresagain · « **Reply #310 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:54:42 pm »

Quote from: Camarero25 on February 19, 2013, 03:46:30 pm

Do they have to prove that he wanted to kill her though, or do they have to prove that he wanted to kill whoever he thought was behind the door?

I think they have to prove he wanted to kill her, but I may be wrong.

rob1966 · « **Reply #311 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:54:54 pm »

He's going to need OJ Simpsons lawyer.

♠Dirty Harry♠ · « **Reply #312 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:56:44 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on February 19, 2013, 03:54:54 pm

He's going to need OJ Simpsons lawyer.

"You see your honour, these prosthetic limbs do not fit the defendant, therefore he cannot have done it."

Paul JH · « **Reply #313 on:** February 19, 2013, 04:13:09 pm »

Quote from: ♠Dirty Harry♠ on February 19, 2013, 03:54:29 pm

It's patchy as fuck if you ask me.

His whole defence is. Why didn't he tap her to wake her up?

Surely you check to see where your loved one is, wake her up, don't panic tell her someone is in the house.
Not, as he says, DON'T check where she is, leave her sleeping, then scream at the intruder and scream at her to wake her up, panic her by shouting there's someone in the house then shoot four times through the door!!

Mental if he's innocent.

CraigDS · « **Reply #314 on:** February 19, 2013, 04:18:35 pm »

Quote from: Paul JH on February 19, 2013, 04:13:09 pm

His whole defence is. Why didn't he tap her to wake her up?

So in his mind the BEST way to protect her, and make sure she comes to no-harm, is not check where she is first, but also scream at the intruder THEN wake her up by shouting at her to call the police?!

Sorry, if thats me, I wake my girlfriend first, and say I think there's someone in the house, not leave her sleeping and alert her to the incident by screaming to wake her up! Baffling defence.

Surely its check to see where your loved one is, wake her up, don't panic tell her someone is in the house.
Not as he says DON'T check where she is, leave her sleeping, then scream at the intruder and scream at her to wake her up, panic her by shouting there's someone in the house!!

Mental if he's innocent.

The thing is, if he was honestly that scared for his life and spooked, their is no telling how someone can act. Some people in those situations just crumble and all sense of 'normal' actions go out the window and unfortunately you don't really know what you'd do until you are in that situation yourself.

Tomaldinho · « **Reply #315 on:** February 19, 2013, 04:20:22 pm »

Quote from: Roady on February 19, 2013, 03:07:32 pm

so the guy shoots her four times without checking if she is bed first ebcause he thought there was an intruder.First thing you do is check everyone,all your loved ones, regardless how many are in the house is ok.Basically this fellas defence is that he is one thick fucker? or am i missing something?

Worked for Redknapp

Paul JH · « **Reply #316 on:** February 19, 2013, 04:20:55 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on February 19, 2013, 04:18:35 pm

The thing is, if he was honestly that scared for his life and spooked, their is no telling how someone can act. Some people in those situations just crumble and all sense of 'normal' actions go out the window and unfortunately you don't really know what you'd do until you are in that situation yourself.

Thats my point though. Absolutely mental if his first reaction is to do what he did, when someone he loves is in the house. The FIRST thing you would do is make sure THEY are ok. Just stupid beyond words, especially with a firearm.

Red Cez · « **Reply #317 on:** February 19, 2013, 04:23:54 pm »

CraigDS · « **Reply #318 on:** February 19, 2013, 04:25:26 pm »

Quote from: Paul JH on February 19, 2013, 04:20:55 pm

Thats my point though. Absolutely mental if his first reaction is to do what he did, when someone he loves is in the house. The FIRST thing you would do is make sure THEY are ok. Just stupid beyond words, especially with a firearm.

Totally agree with you. And I'd imagine, should what he say be what actually went on, it would not of been what he would of said he would do if you'd of asked him prior to that night.

People do strange, idiotic, things when scared. I know how I'd want to act in that situation, but I've no idea if I was as scared as he is making out (again if it's true) if I would do so.

eirwen · « **Reply #319 on:** February 19, 2013, 04:29:10 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on February 19, 2013, 04:18:35 pm

The thing is, if he was honestly that scared for his life and spooked, their is no telling how someone can act. Some people in those situations just crumble and all sense of 'normal' actions go out the window and unfortunately you don't really know what you'd do until you are in that situation yourself.

How can he be that spooked just by hearing some noise from the bathroom? Does his girlfriend never use the bathroom or make any kind of noise when she stays over?
His whole defense if full of holes.