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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2013, 11:34:04 am »
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2013, 11:46:24 am »
People being shot dead in South Africa is not a rare occurrence, it is common. Of course it's easy to presume what you think, fucking smartarse.

It's the fact you implied that an 'athlete' had done this before, therefore it's a common mistake. Shooting someone dead. For athletes. In South Africa. Why even mention the athlete bit at all if the point you were making was that accidental shootings happen all the time in South Africa?

Your implication is that accidents happen and it's not unlikely as he's an athlete and it's happened with other athletes. Which is as nonsensical as me saying he's done it on purpose without knowing any of the facts.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2013, 11:56:39 am »
It's the fact you implied that an 'athlete' had done this before, therefore it's a common mistake. Shooting someone dead. For athletes. In South Africa. Why even mention the athlete bit at all if the point you were making was that accidental shootings happen all the time in South Africa?

Accidental shootings do happen but to say that it happens all the time is an exaggeration. Otherwise I would hear news of an accidental shooting at least once a week or even once a month.

Other cases of accidental shootings especially those involving a retired rugby player has no bearing on this case so I understand your annoyance with regards to his statements. 
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #123 on: February 15, 2013, 11:58:28 am »
Other cases of accidental shootings especially those involving a retired rugby player has no bearing on this case so I understand your annoyance with regards to his statements. 

Exactly. The other case bears no relation to this at all. And based on what Police have said so far, in public, and not heresay, it doesn't sound like it was an accident at all.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #124 on: February 15, 2013, 12:40:29 pm »
I was just pointing out that an athlete had shot someone dead before. I did not even mention that it was an accident by that athlete, in fact I wrote moments later that he got charged with murder.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #125 on: February 15, 2013, 12:44:42 pm »
was she staying with Pistorius? or was she just visiting him at 4am in the morning ?

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #126 on: February 15, 2013, 12:44:57 pm »
I was just pointing out that an athlete had shot someone dead before. I did not even mention that it was an accident by that athlete, in fact I wrote moments later that he got charged with murder.

I think the point being made is why do you think another shooting by an athlete is at all relevant?

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #127 on: February 15, 2013, 12:48:53 pm »
What ever happened its sad. There is two set of victims in this.
Obviously her and her family,friends etc but his family also. If he did it, he deserves whats coming but his family have lost a son. Just a sad story all round.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #128 on: February 15, 2013, 01:18:58 pm »
I was just pointing out that an athlete had shot someone dead before. I did not even mention that it was an accident by that athlete, in fact I wrote moments later that he got charged with murder.

I think you're completely missing my point, and now suggesting you didn't say the Rugby star incident was an accident, even though in THAT case it was.
The point I'm making is that you said it was not uncommon for this kind of thing, then suggested it's happened before to 'athletes' which has nothing to do with anything really.

See you guys saying how can this be a mistake, don't understand south africa. This is not the first time this has happened involving an athlete

Here, you are basically telling everyone who thinks it's a mistake he shot her that they 'don't understand South Africa' then go on to suggest that athletes do this all the time.

The point is, athletes or not, common or not, is that Rugby case was clearly an accident, this, from Police statements, seems less so at this time. But neither incident bears any relation to the other. Yet. And the fact they were both athletes means nothing whatsoever.

Maybe you can clarify what you mean by anyone thinking it's an accident doesn't understand South Africa?
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #129 on: February 15, 2013, 01:58:10 pm »
Apparently, she was shot through a bathroom door. Has anyone heard who was in the bathroom and who was outside it? The police seem to have completely dismissed the idea of mistaken identity. The South African police do seem to speak to the media far more candidly than our own. Since the incident, they have seemed almost eager to gossip with the press, in a way that is not really appropriate before a trial.

I'm not saying I think he is innocent, just that I'm surprised at their behavior.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #130 on: February 15, 2013, 02:06:37 pm »
Reeva Steenkamp's corpse was in the morgue, her body was on the Sun's front page

The Oscar Pistorius case has been called a tragedy for South Africa, for sport, for disability rights … but what about the victim and her family? To parts of the media, she is just hot



Years ago I worked at the Sun, and I remember a man from the circulation department giving a presentation to editorial staff on how to maximise sales. The chastening upshot, for a paper whose employees preferred to think its market dominance was built solely on great stories, thrillingly told, was that birds mean business. Of course, you'd get a big sales spike with some sensational splash about the royal family or a footballer or whatever, but those were effectively few and far between, and if you wanted to ensure the regular, bread-and-butter circulation boosts on which the paper relied, a female celebrity in a bikini was what was needed, under whatever sub-newsy pretext you could devise. A list of names and numbers was passed round. And there it was in black and white. If you put a picture of Caprice on page 1 – and any old stock one was fine as long as she had very little on – you could guarantee a 30,000 uplift in sales. Nell McAndrew would get you 20,000. Geri Halliwell would do 10,000. They had maths for it and everything.

I wonder if that same circulation department were rubbing their hands, or their trousers, or whatever it is they rub, when they saw that the paper would be splashing on Friday with a huge picture of Reeva Steenkamp pulling down the zip of a bikini top, even as her corpse was lying in a Pretoria morgue awaiting a postmortem. Steenkamp was shot several times on Thursday, allegedly by her boyfriend Oscar Pistorius, with the incident swiftly and widely declared a tragedy for South Africa, for sport, and for disability rights. And – presumably to a lesser extent, because it was scarcely suggested in the scramble to get hold of bikini shots – for her family and friends.

The killing has yet to be described as a tragedy for women, probably because in the continual cluster-tragedy that constitutes female representation in the media, Steenkamp is just another casualty, who obligingly happened to be hot. That the story leading the news for the entire day of the One Billion Rising global action opposing violence against women concerned a woman being allegedly murdered by her partner was unfortunate. That the death was covered in the way it has been begins to look like something else. But nothing new, obviously.

His attention drawn to articles which appear to eroticise violence against women, Lord Justice Leveson concluded in his report that they "may" infringe the Press Complaints Commission code. Mmm. Perhaps we can stop hearing that women's liberation has Gone Too Far The Other Way when encouraging people to get their rocks off over dead or maimed ladies only "may" be a wrong thing.

On Friday, the Mail and Star were good enough to publish a spread of Reeva Steenkamp's lingerie shots, as befits a family newspaper. If you're asking what sort of family demands the sexy-ing up of stories about murdered women, I'm drawing a blank. (The provisional wing of the Manson family?) Doubtless they'll claim they used these pictures because modelling was one of Steenkamp's jobs – and the next time they illustrate a story about a murdered hairdresser with pictures of her cutting hair, or a murdered student working in the college library, we can treat that justification with something other than a tired: "Bull. Shit." In this age, many female victims' social media imprint would yield an image of them at their place of work, and you should totally, totally expect news outlets to use it if the choice comes down to that or a beach snap of them scantily clad.

As for the Sun, this is a paper which still asterisks the word t*t, even when it appears on the same page as a picture of the genuine body part, as though its readers beholding that central "i" in print might cause some catastrophic debasement of a culture it works so tirelessly to elevate. Meanwhile, Friday's Sun front page actually had a very strong news line – if true – on the Pistorius story, but it almost literally paled into insignificance next to that most provocative of bikini shots.

Those with the stomach to turn the page might have noted that paper didn't bother with a Page 3 on Friday, maybe because that particular itch had been scratched by the murder victim. All of which puts one in mind of Murdoch's musing over what to do with Page 3. "Perhaps halfway house with glamorous fashionistas," he tweeted last week. What Rupert is after, this made clear, is a better class of tit – not those cheap tits, attached to downmarket scrubbers so guilelessly keen to show you them, but the sort of chic tit you get on the catwalk where it looks like the tit's owner can take or leave you looking at it, or the sort of tit you see if some celebrity has failed to establish exactly what flashbulbs might do to a material that appeared opaque when she left the house.

Yet surely this week's approach presents an elegant solution to Rupert's dilemma. If only a hot woman could get murdered every day, then the Sun wouldn't need Page 3, because they could dredge up some semi-covered tits in the highfalutin' cause of illustrating a news story about her corpse. Perhaps the number crunchers can work up an action plan – I imagine they'd call this killing two birds with one stone.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/15/reeva-steenkamp-body-on-front-page?CMP=twt_gu
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #131 on: February 15, 2013, 02:06:38 pm »
The Police seem to suggest it's a Murder, he says it was an accident. It does seem strange that he would shoot her through a bathroom door, but then what's to say she didn't run in there to get away from him and lock the door behind her?

No-one knows until the trial.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/15/reeva-steenkamp-body-on-front-page?CMP=twt_gu

Good article.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #132 on: February 15, 2013, 02:18:25 pm »
The Police seem to suggest it's a Murder, he says it was an accident. It does seem strange that he would shoot her through a bathroom door, but then what's to say she didn't run in there to get away from him and lock the door behind her?

No-one knows until the trial.

Good article.

Has it been confirmed that she was in the bathroom and it wasn't in fact him hiding from the supposed intruder?
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #133 on: February 15, 2013, 02:19:36 pm »
Has it been confirmed that she was in the bathroom and it wasn't in fact him hiding from the supposed intruder?

Good point, I just assumed she was in the bathroom. Prosecution rests.  ;)
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #134 on: February 15, 2013, 02:25:06 pm »
I can't believe this disgusting excuse for a publication gets away with things like this! Then again, maybe I can when its owned by one of the Worlds most powerful men...

What a classless front page... https://twitter.com/search/HerNameWasReevaSteenkamp

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #135 on: February 15, 2013, 02:40:22 pm »

What a classless front page...


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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #136 on: February 15, 2013, 03:20:07 pm »
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #137 on: February 15, 2013, 06:22:53 pm »
Apparently, she was shot through a bathroom door. Has anyone heard who was in the bathroom and who was outside it? The police seem to have completely dismissed the idea of mistaken identity. The South African police do seem to speak to the media far more candidly than our own. Since the incident, they have seemed almost eager to gossip with the press, in a way that is not really appropriate before a trial.

I'm not saying I think he is innocent, just that I'm surprised at their behavior.

Yeah agree, seeing as this is very high profile and more than likely to go to a trial. The press seem to be getting far to much inside information which is probably being read by most of South Africa, which will make getting an unbiased jury difficult.
No idea on South African law, but everyone deserves a fair trail free from bias that could be gained from reading sensationalist headlines in the press.
Over here, once someones been charged, the press and even websites like RAWK have to be very careful about what is said.
Don't want a guilty man to get away due to irresponsible journalism, and vice versa an innocent one sent down because the jury has been unduly influenced by what they've read and already have an idea of what their verdicts might be before any evidence has been shown.
Seems to me, its time the police shut up and concentrate on getting the facts right.
None of us know what happened but probably already we know to much, not to have an opinion on whether he did it or not. Which isn't right.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #138 on: February 15, 2013, 08:28:29 pm »
By the sounds of it, he hasn't a leg to stand on....

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2013, 09:47:35 pm »
By the sounds of it, he hasn't a leg to stand on....
It all sounds a bit iffy to me. I mean, if he was in the bathroom, he wouldn't just shoot without calling out and asking who it was? And as for his tears in court, were they for her or himself?

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #140 on: February 15, 2013, 11:02:48 pm »
I couldn't believe that rags front page when I saw it in Tesco. I know they are fucking low but that one shocked me a little bit.

What makes it even weirder for me is how can people get titillated knowing that the person they are looking at is dead? I haven't been able to look at pictures of Brittany Murphy without feeling a little odd that I found her extremely attractive.

Sun readers are a fucked up bunch.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2013, 12:23:58 am »
I may have missed something in the press, but have the SAF police said anything inappropriate that could prejudice a jury against OP? As far as I know, all they have done is distance themselves from the Valentine's Day/mistaken-for-burglar story which, in the hours following the incident, was virtually being reported as fact. In my mind, they have done the right thing by shooting down (erp) a fallacious rumour that would have been equally damaging to the chances of a fair trial.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2013, 12:28:36 am »
I may have missed something in the press, but have the SAF police said anything inappropriate that could prejudice a jury against OP? As far as I know, all they have done is distance themselves from the Valentine's Day/mistaken-for-burglar story which, in the hours following the incident, was virtually being reported as fact. In my mind, they have done the right thing by shooting down (erp) a fallacious rumour that would have been equally damaging to the chances of a fair trial.

They mentioned the fact they had been called to the property in the case of domestic disturbances before now. Not sure what baring that will have.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2013, 01:31:31 am »
South Africa doesn't have a jury.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2013, 02:39:48 am »
South Africa doesn't have a jury.

How does it work over there? Do they just have a magistrate/judge who decides on their own?

That seems open to influencing.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2013, 04:22:28 am »
How does it work over there? Do they just have a magistrate/judge who decides on their own?

That seems open to influencing.
I imagine it will be decided by the judge. A lot of countries don't have a jury system actually.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2013, 10:27:21 am »
Can we please change the title of this thread to 'over fatal shooting of Reeva Steenkamp'?

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2013, 11:16:08 am »
Can we please change the title of this thread to 'over fatal shooting of Reeva Steenkamp'?

why?

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp
« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2013, 01:06:43 pm »
why?

That was her name, who she was.  She was a lawyer and model, a success in her own right. 

I think she deserves more respect personally.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp
« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2013, 02:07:19 pm »
I couldn't believe that rags front page when I saw it in Tesco. I know they are fucking low but that one shocked me a little bit.

What makes it even weirder for me is how can people get titillated knowing that the person they are looking at is dead? I haven't been able to look at pictures of Brittany Murphy without feeling a little odd that I found her extremely attractive.

Sun readers are a fucked up bunch.

Doesn't surprise me that they did it but it does sadden me that it is done in this day and age, and b so many of the tabloids. It's such a cheap and nasty tactic, and that Guardian article is bang on with its analysis.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp
« Reply #150 on: February 16, 2013, 04:42:10 pm »
It's biological, but none of them will admit it. There's numerous examples past and present.

What?

Women stay in abusive relationships due to biological factors?
What are these biological factors?
None of these women will admit that the relationships are abusive?
Or do you mean none of them will admit it is due to biological factors (whatever you mean by that)?
Numerous examples of what?
Can you give us a couple of these examples?

I don't understand your post on all the above points, please can you unpick it a bit for me?
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #151 on: February 16, 2013, 05:18:43 pm »
It all sounds a bit iffy to me. I mean, if he was in the bathroom, he wouldn't just shoot without calling out and asking who it was? And as for his tears in court, were they for her or himself?

He's taking the piss mate.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #152 on: February 16, 2013, 05:32:51 pm »
He's taking the piss mate.
I know mate, didn't realise until after I'd posted that I hit quote.  ;D

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #153 on: February 16, 2013, 05:57:25 pm »
I know mate, didn't realise until after I'd posted that I hit quote.  ;D

Prove it.  ;)
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Girlfriend
« Reply #154 on: February 16, 2013, 06:09:41 pm »
Prove it.  ;)
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp
« Reply #155 on: February 16, 2013, 10:10:18 pm »
South Africa doesn't have a jury.

Ah okay thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Guess that explains why the police are a bit more willing to share with the press over there than in Aus/UK/US/etc.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp
« Reply #156 on: February 16, 2013, 10:52:35 pm »
Personally I don't know whether Oscar Pistorius is guilty as sin of first degree murder, or if it was just a tragic accident.

None of us here do, as do most of the media who are commenting on it.

No doubt all of the finer details of the incident will come out in court, in due time.


It would seem though, that in the modern era, the press seem to like to build people up, in order just to knock them down.

They're past-masters at it in the UK, but I'm not sure if the same mood prevails or not in SA.

It would seem that a villain is a far better pantomime villain, if they are famous.


The reality programme that has just screened Reeva Steenkamp's performance on their show, trying to dress it up as somehow a tribute to her?

Behave.  You saw an opportunity for better TV ratings, as people looked in to see Reeva in all her glory.

Don't try and dress it up as a tribute.   You did it for purely selfish reasons, regardless of if you had the poor girls family on side or not.  :wanker

In the wider press though, It does seem that many want to see Pistorius fall flat on his face, as some kind of show trial, or dare I say it, a reality TV programme, where everyones grief and anger are screened from fifteen different angles on 24/7 coverage.

It sickens me.


A poor young lady has lost her life in tragic curcumstances.

I for one shall await the results in court before passing judgement as judge, jury, and executioner, on who is as yet and man who is innocent until proven guilty.

If he is guilty. Then the law will deal with him, although if he is guilty, I suspect he'll end up taking his own life at some point in the foreseeable future,  not able to deal with the pain or guilt.  Whatever that may be.

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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp
« Reply #157 on: February 16, 2013, 11:03:54 pm »
I suspect he'll end up taking his own life at some point in the foreseeable future,  not able to deal with the pain or guilt.  Whatever that may be.
Ah now who is speculating. You dont know that, there is nothing to base that on, I might as well say that he feels no remorse what so ever and never will, because he is a complete sociopath. But I dont know that for sure either.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius Arrested Over Fatal Shooting of Reeva Steenkamp
« Reply #158 on: February 16, 2013, 11:06:21 pm »
Yeah. Whatever.

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"Paranoia is a very comforting state of mind. If you think they're out to get you, it means you think you matter"

Jurgen! What is best in life?

Crush your enemies. See dem driven before you. Hear d'lamentations of der vimmen.