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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2012, 01:57:37 pm »
It's tough for Rodgers now how to use his squad over these 4 games in 10 days. Starting 8 or 9 of them for all 4 games surely isn't practical when a fair few looked shattered on Saturday. We were carrying a few players against Villa  who just didn't look fit be it for not enough games (Lucas) or too many games (Gerrard, Allen, Sterling).

We can't leave them all out on Saturday, or for any of the four games, so we have to rotate and pick and choose. I'd take Allen and Sterling out the firing line for Saturday and then rest Lucas or Gerrard for Stoke and then the other for QPR.
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2012, 01:59:42 pm »
Our saving grace for this one, is the fact that Fulham's away record is poor, 1 away win so far this season. They have however picked up 4 away draws, so that leaves 3 away defeats.


Then again, Villa's away record was nothing to dance around the chimney about, but they still beat us comfortably.



Think it'll be a score draw.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2012, 02:27:39 pm »
Let's twat these 1-0
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2012, 02:30:49 pm »
Let's twat these 1-0

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2012, 05:16:57 pm »
Two questions in my mind:

1) What will Rodgers do with his lineup?  Is it time to tinker?  Do we have players ready to step up?  Think Enrique should be back for this so our back four look set, unless Rodgers wants to push Enrique up front again.  Is coming off a loss the time to play mad scientist?

2) Can we control Berbatov?  He has hurt us in the past.  Our recent form should not scare him at all as both Cole and Benteke ran wild along our back line.  I am terrified of set pieces and long direct balls into the box to Berbatov.   I have a hard time seeing us keep a clean sheet, which means we would need at least 2 goals to win.  Ouch.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2012, 05:19:34 pm »
At Anfield.... probably a draw. I can see us getting a 4-0 victory but I can also see us going 0-1 down and scraping a 1-1, missing a good chance to win it in the last minute.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2012, 05:24:33 pm »
It'll be mayhem in here if we lose this one. Even a draw isn't acceptable at this point in the season. The players need to show a reaction - they let the fans and the manager down against Villa and they better be up for this match to put things right. 1-0 to us I reckon, although I hate when we have to play against Berbatov (even though he hasn't been scoring recently).

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2012, 05:28:56 pm »
Attitude needs to be right for this. No complacency, in finishing passing and tracking your man. (We've shown too much complacency for my liking this year, finishing isn't bad luck its not having the right mind set knowing you will finish said move with a goal or shot on target).

Their a decent team and have an when they have Ruiz and Berbatov pulling the strings they look like they have a cutting edge and or good on the eye. Both these players steamrollered arsenal at the emirates so we have to have the right attitude when giving them space.

Rodgers has mentioned Sterling and Allen needing a rest, well its about time he gave them that rest and use Nuri Sahin and Jordan henderson to give us some energy an precision on the pitch.

I hope the players, Manager and fans go into this with the right mindset. Don't expect a victory to happen by divine right but we have to earn it and that means giving the players on the pitch encouragement as well.  Also, Fuck this talk of fourth and targets of that ilk, its blatently obvious these group of players aren't ready to walk before they've even learned to crawl yet let alone run.


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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2012, 05:29:16 pm »
How I think we should line up....
                      Reina
Johnson       Skrtel    Coates   Agger
                      Lucas
             Sahin     
                          Gerrard

Shelvey/ Suso   Suarez     Downing

I think Downing played some cracking passes and crosses on Saturday, think he would do well against these but he can't play LB again it makes me feel uneasy, plus Sterling needs a rest. Agger is a good LB and can do a job there.
Berbatov is their main threat so it's not like we need pace at CB and Coates will make life difficult for him holding play up and winning headers.
Sahin comes in for Allen because Allen looks tired and isn't impressing much. Sahin is also a goal threat and capable of getting in good positions in the box, something we are missing.
Sterling needs a rest so Shelvey retains his place with Downing pushing higher up.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2012, 06:23:37 pm »
More hopeful of winning this than the Aston Villa game. Think we underestimated them but with the likes of Berbatov in their team, complacency shouldn't be too much of a worry (hopefully)!

Henderson and Sahin should start in midfield to rest Lucas and Allen for Stoke and QPR but also because they deserve a chance.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2012, 06:45:42 pm »
Could be grim this. Very, very grim.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2012, 06:58:25 pm »
We won't win this. Berbatov will get a brace after some inept final third play from us. 0-2 to Fulham
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2012, 07:00:27 pm »
Fulham are dire away from home. Easy 2-0 win.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2012, 07:03:08 pm »
Fulham are dire away from home. Easy 2-0 win.

Villa had scored 4 goals away from home all season until they come to Anfield.
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2012, 07:13:08 pm »
Lottery numbers plz.

Exactly. I don't care if people on here are cynical about our chances, it's their opinion and they have every right to feel like we're going to lose (and our last result certainly lends some credibility to that). But I can't stand it when people state their opinion on a contentious topic as such a stone cold fact. "We won't win this" - ok mate go bet all your savings on that happening
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2012, 07:36:59 pm »
Rodgers made a good observation about Luis this week w/r/t his need to play 2 games a week to keep his unique rhythm up. Playing what 4 games in ten odd days could see Suarez hit a rich vein of form. Looked a bit rusty versus Villa after a full week off, I reckon Brendan is right and we should see a much sharper Luis. 
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2012, 08:34:14 pm »
Rodgers made a good observation about Luis this week w/r/t his need to play 2 games a week to keep his unique rhythm up. Playing what 4 games in ten odd days could see Suarez hit a rich vein of form. Looked a bit rusty versus Villa after a full week off, I reckon Brendan is right and we should see a much sharper Luis. 

... although its again one full week rest for him for this one no? ;)

We´ll win this, the players will have learned a lesson to be on full concentration from the very first minute on and not go for an easy option in defending.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2012, 09:26:59 pm »
If Rodgers wants us to win we will beat Fulham easly, he just need to pick a good squad out there, but this is a big optimism. one can only expect Downing out of position, Cole on the bench with 3 or more defenders, excluding Assaidi, Pacheco and Robinson. the only exciting thing nowadays is Suarez performance, can't get enouh.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2012, 09:48:49 pm »
Expect a repeat of the Aston Villa game.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2012, 09:56:53 pm »
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2012, 10:04:20 pm »
I dunno, I'm growing to like Downing at left back. The villa goals, he wasnt at fault for any of them, in attack, he contributed a lot. Those attacking spots need to do more.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2012, 10:32:41 pm »
If we win by an own goal or a lucky bit of play, that would be fine.

Predicting 2-0 to us, even though our last 'actual' scorer was Steven Gerrard in 2007, Pantsil og was 2010.
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2012, 10:33:18 pm »
Expect a repeat of the Aston Villa game.
Ah so we're gonna a win then nice!
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2012, 10:36:12 pm »
Ah so we're gonna a win then nice!

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2012, 10:46:44 pm »
It'll be a tough game, but be nice to Riise back in town... Berbatov shouldn't worry us, it's pace on the counter that wraps our defense in bits. We need to manage the players carefully... i'd be inclined to put out strongest team out, and rotate 3 when we've got the result, if we don't get the result with our strongest / fittest / most inform players... then nothing the manager could do would probably have been able to impact the result, we are always at the beck and call of our forwards being in form and finishing our chances irrespective of who they are.
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2012, 10:51:55 pm »

I will stick me neck out and go for a 0-0 the ground will be half empty with 10min left.
We will have run out of ideas after 25min, and the 250 fullham fans will be outsinging the kop.
It will so quiet on the kop, you will be able to here the players talking to each other.
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2012, 10:52:01 pm »
If he plays cole we are fked
We need to man up and win this game
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2012, 10:55:05 pm »
Let's be honest nobody can predict with any measure of certainity how this one will go. So far this season it's pot luck and that means we win a few, we draw a few and we lose a few which means hanging out around mid table. That won't change until we put a run together, and a run in the PL is a minimum of three wins in a row.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2012, 11:15:09 pm »
Let's be honest nobody can predict with any measure of certainity how this one will go. So far this season it's pot luck and that means we win a few, we draw a few and we lose a few which means hanging out around mid table. That won't change until we put a run together, and a run in the PL is a minimum of three wins in a row.

I can predict this it has 0-0 all over it.
And as for us going on a unbeaten run, not a chance of that, we need better player to do that.
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2012, 11:16:16 pm »
As much as I dislike the term, this really is a "must-win" if we're going to stay in and around that 4th place spot.
Do think we'll win though, hoping Villa was nothing more than a blip. (Could well be! Could not be, of course, but let's not all kill ourselves after one loss eh?)

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2012, 11:21:23 pm »
As much as I dislike the term, this really is a "must-win" if we're going to stay in and around that 4th place spot.
Do think we'll win though, hoping Villa was nothing more than a blip. (Could well be! Could not be, of course, but let's not all kill ourselves after one loss eh?)

Hang on mate, you say you hope villa game was nothing more than a blip, have i been missing something this season?.
this liverpool team has won 5 games all season out of 17 games, so how do you make out, the villa game was a blip, we have been playing like that most of the season!
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2012, 02:34:13 am »
Could do to lose this one.

We'll never finish top 4 anyways.

We could do without Europa league next season.

We won't get relegated.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2012, 03:51:08 am »
To be honest I want to see the same sort of start we had against Villa - hopefully this time we put one or two of the chances away. I would like to think we are favourites going into this, and I am genuinely confident of us getting  a win.

My lineup would be

                           Reina

Johnson     Skrtel      Agger   Enrique

                           Lucas

                 Allen              Sahin

       Suso        Suarez          Assaidi             

Gives Gerrard and Sterling the weekend off. Could even drop Allen and go with a combination of Shelvey/Sahin/Henderson with Lucas.


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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #75 on: December 19, 2012, 06:04:00 am »
FFS people cheer up. Before Villa happened most people were happy with how we were going. We lost one game and suddenly the forum becomes miserable. I'm not saying we should be incredibly optimistic but we shouldn't be this pessimistic. There is a balance. We are no where near as bad as most of you are saying.

Rodgers said after the West Brom game to expect more games like that. Guess what people? We just had another game like that. Last time we played like this we bounced back and outplayed the league champions. Should have won too, if not for a stupid decision by Skrtel.

I expect us to bounce back. Fulham are completely different to Villa, they won't play on the counter like Villa did and they'll likely come at us more. This should play into our hands.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #76 on: December 19, 2012, 06:15:03 am »
This game could be a mirror image of the Villa game if we are not careful tactically. Although Fulham won't have the same type of Battering Ram forward that Villa had in Benteke, they do have the subtlety of Berbatov, some physicality from Rodallega, and the workrate and trickiness of Duff for us to be concerned about.

Having seen how Villa did damage to our backline, It wouldn't be surprising to see Jol play a 4-4-2 rather than a 4-4-1-1, to take advantage of the gap between Agger and Skrtel on transition that Villa clearly targeted. Although the make-up of the two forwards will be different, and they will play off different dynamics, if either Agger or Skrtel have a bad day, it could be a repeat of the Villa game - early dominance, no reward, 1 or 2 counterattacks and suddenly we're in trouble from a seeming position of strength. Tactically, this might be a game for BR to start with a back three and see how things develop. We can still dominate possession, and our attack isn't exactly firing on all cylinders in terms of goals, so it's not as if we will be tampering with a winning formula. On the other hand, our central area will be better protected, and perhaps a stouter defence might lend the attack a degree of patience by not making them think they HAVE to score on every attack because the other team are bound to get one. This relaxedness might translate to better shots on target, and hopefully goals, if we go for a 3-5-2. If we play our usual 4-3-3 though, there might be a nervousness about us that translates to mistakes again, on an individual level.

In terms of attacking spaces, we could see us focus on their right side, through our left. Alternatively, if Lucas is feeling strong, he might look to get some of his decent through balls to Sterling or Johnson. If we attack down the left, it's probably going to be Downing LB and Enrique as the winger (if fit), with some overlapping and early crosses. Unfortunately, the opposite side will be occupied most likely by Sterling, who isn't adept at getting on the end of those types of balls. What could be successful is Lucas playing through to Johnson on the overlap of Sterling, and Enrique getting into the back post area on the end of a Johnson cross. Alternatively, the pattern might develop as Lucas - Johnson - Suarez - Enrique. Either way, if Enrique is fit, getting him running into that area and getting the ball across Schwarzer might generate a goal - Schwarzer is a puncher, and if he messes one up Enrique has shown an eye for being in the right area behind the keeper on the weak side.

Midfield will be interesting, as one or both of Gerrard and Allen need a break, as they did against Villa. Whether BR will drop either is a big question. If he does, it's possibly more likely to be Allen than the captain. Henderson might be perceived as an impact sub, but this is a game he could see a start in. Alternatively, if Sahin is able to play, he might get a return beside Lucas. If he does, expect to see a more varied attack in terms of releasing both Enrique and Johnson, with Sterling cutting inside.

Assuming we play the usual back four, Lucas will also be important in dropping between Skrtel and Agger on transition. This will be especially helpful given that they play through Berbatov a lot (if he plays). Disrupting this supply line will give Agger and Skrtel time to recover into support positions to take care of Rodallega's runs (if Rodallega supports Berbatov up front). Duff likes to cut in on the right, so Downing will have to be alert to this constantly. On the other hand, it gives Downing the chance to intercept a little better, as the passes will be coming into his stride on his strong foot. Sidwell and Baird are solid, but they can be beaten easily with quick play on attack and defence. Baird doesn't give the ball away too easily, but he can be caught out of position, while Sidwell - strong in the tackle - has an errant eye for a pass and might give the ball back easily to either our central defenders or one of the fullbacks. For this reason, it might be better for the midfield to have a base of Lucas-Sahin for positional discipline in order to take advantage of Sidwell and Baird's combined frailties. Having the third central mid, be it Gerrard, Allen, Shelvey or Henderson, will give us the opportunity to outnumber them too, and hurt them in the space between midfield and defence which Baird will inevitable leave at some point. For this reason, then, Suso might be the better bet, but will BR be brave enough to go for a Lucas-Sahin-Suso midfield after a shock defeat? Probably not, but that midfield might be better placed to take advantage of the Sidwell-Baird axis than a Lucas-Gerrard-Allen one.

Overall, Fulham will sit back in their defensive third and midfield, and we will probably have our usual abundance of possession, while they will look to hit us down the middle on the break, with Duff cutting in to support the two forwards, and Kacaniklic initiating passes into the central space, or Sidwell/Baird looking for Duff/Kacaniklic. Riise will make a few overlapping runs, although I think he will be less adventurous as we remember him for us. If BR goes for the 4-3-3, and plays a central axis of Lucas-Gerrard-Allen, it will be both predictable and playable for Fulham. If he throws a few wrinkles in, though, we could overrun the Fulham midfield, keep it high and tight in the back (with Lucas dropping) and we would only have to use Suarez as a dummy run and serve balls to Enrique from the right or Sterling/Johnson from the left to give ourselves some good chances to put the ball in the net. Add to that any sparks of skill from Suarez, and once again we can see the optimistic side of a good win. Unfortunately, we might also see the total collapse of our defensive structure and a goal or two against us if we switch off like we did against Villa, or if BR doesn't recognize when the other team has developed a plan against us.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #77 on: December 19, 2012, 06:33:00 am »
Great post again phaseofplay.
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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2012, 07:18:55 am »
Would like to see a midfield of Lucas Sahin and Henderson. Gerrard and Allen could both use a rest.

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Re: Preview: Liverpool FC v Fulham FC - 22 December 2012 - k/o: 17.30
« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2012, 08:41:35 am »
Would like to see a midfield of Lucas Sahin and Henderson. Gerrard and Allen could both use a rest.
Brendan Rodgers doesn't seem to have the balls to drop Gerrard which is a shame. Given that I would like to see him play something like this if the players are fit.

                                       Pepe

                    Skrtel                       Dagger


                       Henderson        Lucas
Johnson                                                          Enrique


                                    Jonjo



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