Topic: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield

[JohnHobbes]

Just got a message from my mate now and here's what he had to say. The club definitely want all of Lothair and Alroy (not sure whether it's just the odds because he didn't say, but I assume it is in line with Option 3) The club have told them that it will probably be September by the time everything is in place, and while they haven't actually put a figure on it, they've told them what to expect. Existing tenants and existing owner occupiers will receive £4700 upheaval money, plus all removal costs and legal expenses if incurred. The landlord owners (and I assume he also meant the owner occupied houses) are going to receive full market value, not taking into account the current state of the area, plus 7% and legal expenses. He thinks that will be a briliant deal, because as you all know, that immediate area is fucking woeful. He's seen a 5 bed house identical to his in Arkles Lane for £120,000 and the new refurbed 4 beds in Tancred are about £100,000 - £120,000 too.  So if they ignore the state of the area, the valuations should be a lot better than your average estate agent. CPO's won't be anywhere near as decent a valuation, so the couple of people he spoke to all said they're going to snatch the club's hands off. That's all I've got for now but if he hears anything else, I'll post it up here.

Thanks for the update. Great news, September is a long wait for us fans but makes sense in realistic timelines.

[CraigDS]

I wonder what they are having to offer to Arena to get their houses as they are the biggest owners down those streets? I'm presuming a deal has already been agreed as otherwise no point approaching the individuals.

Same goes for the council who own a fair amount, are the club going to buy the remaining houses plus Arena's and sign them over to the Council in exchange for a long lease on the area? Or will the council sell the ones they own so they can get a big fee upfront?

[Tony19:6]

Anyone know if they have plans to go the other way also i.e. towards Skerries / Wylva Rd etc.

I understand the club own one side of Skerries so they seemingly have the option to do something there expansion-wise?



 

[CraigDS]

Anyone know if they have plans to go the other way also i.e. towards Skerries / Wylva Rd etc.

I understand the club own one side of Skerries so they seemingly have the option to do something there expansion-wise?

I highly doubt it, at least not during first/second phases (Main and Anny Rd).

I've also read something recently that hints the club sold off the houses they owned there, or at least entered into some agreement when they were refurbed.

[ttnbd]

Anyone know if they have plans to go the other way also i.e. towards Skerries / Wylva Rd etc.

I understand the club own one side of Skerries so they seemingly have the option to do something there expansion-wise?



 

I don't believe the club own any on Skerries, they used to but sold them to a developer.

[Peter McGurk]

I don't believe the club own any on Skerries, they used to but sold them to a developer.

I understand it was Affordable Housing Development Company (now defunct?) and sold on to individuals http://www.newahdc.com/site/?q=overviewskerries - nothing conclusive beyond ten properties (could be LFC still own the rest)...

LFC was instrumental in this refurbishment project by agreeing to sell their ten derelict properties to AHDC at below market price...


title deed by Peter McGurk, on Flickr

From LFC website:

LFC completed the restoration of homes in Skerries Road as a template for the renewal of housing in the area. This was followed up by LCC-funded improvements to homes on the opposite side of the street and the completion of the remaining homes for sale by AHDC.

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[Tony19:6]

I don't believe the club own any on Skerries, they used to but sold them to a developer.

Thanks guys,

My question was sparked as I'd read on http://anfieldsrockfieldtriangle.weebly.com/index.html somewhere (unfortunately I cant find the post) that the houses in Skerries (the side closest to the ground even numbers?) were owned by the club, hence my thinking.

[No666]

Moyes opening the ground share can of worms again. (Only in the Mail but with quotes.)

David Moyes admits Everton would love to groundshare with Liverpool but fears the Reds would never support it.
The cash-strapped Toffees desperately need to replace Goodison Park and Moyes admits they would happily enter into a groundshare option with their near-neighbours.
However, Moyes accepts that is a probably a non-starter as it is not something the Reds, who have their own stadium plans for Stanley Park as well as considering redeveloping Anfield, would consider.
He said: 'We know we could do with some more cash and we would like a new stadium but we have an awful lot of things going for us.
'I think Everton probably need a new stadium more than Liverpool but it is not something we have in our culture because we don't share grounds.
'It does make sense, we could really redevelop the whole area around Stanley Park.
'For us it is definitely worth doing. We'd take it but I don't think Liverpool would probably want us or need us and from that point of view I think that is where it will end up.'
 

[JCM]

Yep, Peter Elstone, Everton's CEO said exactly the same thing at a meeting in Manchester today.  This is definate proof, if ever there was, that LFC are very near to completing a deal to redevelop Anfield.   Over the many years of watching the stadium debate, its always been Everton's comments and reactions that have given the game away.

[RedPross]

Could we not sell or lease the current Anfield to the Bitters and use that money as well as naming rights Money to build a new stadium with no debt?

Surely the Bitters could not build a 45k stadium for less than £100m...... I know it's our home but of course it was once theirs!!!

I know I know..... Just an idea...... Has to be better than sharing!!!!

[macca888]

Could we not sell or lease the current Anfield to the Bitters and use that money as well as naming rights Money to build a new stadium with no debt?

Surely the Bitters could not build a 45k stadium for less than £100m...... I know it's our home but of course it was once theirs!!!

I know I know..... Just an idea...... Has to be better than sharing!!!!

45,000 seater stadium for Everton?? How many fucking people do you think live on County Road mate?

[reddazforever]

45,000 seater stadium for Everton?? How many fucking people do you think live on County Road mate?

you're forgetting the away support when a big club visits - no one suggested there were 45,000 toffees   

[CraigDS]

They don't even have the money for half a stadium!

[David H]

How would everton be able to afford a stadium even if it was payed by both clubs? They have fuck all and are they really going to get in more debt? don't think so.

I imagine that we would have to pay up most of it and everton pay some fee each season, either way its just not happening is it? Can't even sell out goodison and only just sold out the the derby 1 day before, small fucking club, just accept that and move on

[Peter McGurk]

Could we not sell or lease the current Anfield to the Bitters and use that money as well as naming rights Money to build a new stadium with no debt?

Surely the Bitters could not build a 45k stadium for less than £100m...... I know it's our home but of course it was once theirs!!!

I know I know..... Just an idea...... Has to be better than sharing!!!!

Rest assured... EFC don't have the money for guarantees on their own stadium or their half of a shared stadium or rent on a piece of ours.

Football managers talking property again (a'right Arsene lad...)

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[RedPross]

The moment the bitters confirm they have a better stadium and facilities than currently available at Goodison and they will be brought and invested in..... Its the only thing thats stopping anyone coming in.....theyre bigger than Manchester City!!!

[Peter McGurk]

The moment the bitters confirm they have a better stadium and facilities than currently available at Goodison and they will be brought and invested in..... Its the only thing thats stopping anyone coming in.....theyre bigger than Manchester City!!!

Puppy chasing its tail.

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[CraigDS]

The moment the bitters confirm they have a better stadium and facilities than currently available at Goodison and they will be brought and invested in..... Its the only thing thats stopping anyone coming in.....theyre bigger than Manchester City!!!

No it's not.

A new or improved stadium = more debt as they have to pay for it some how. So someone can either buy the club now and proceed how they wish with regards to stadium. Or the can buy later and inherite the debt and potentially the problems with whatever decision previous owners made (see us now).

[Peter McGurk]

No it's not.

A new or improved stadium = more debt as they have to pay for it some how. So someone can either buy the club now and proceed how they wish with regards to stadium. Or the can buy later and inherite the debt and potentially the problems with whatever decision previous owners made (see us now).

Nah. What you have to do is find a club with a cast-off stadium from a Commonwealth Games or similar and pay the council a few bob for a decent while and then buy it off them for tuppence ha'penny (implausible as that sounds).

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[joe ®]

The moment the bitters confirm they have a better stadium and facilities than currently available at Goodison and they will be brought and invested in..... Its the only thing thats stopping anyone coming in.....theyre bigger than Manchester City!!!

Brought what? Brought where? Your post makes no sense.

[Big Red Richie]

Brought what? Brought where? Your post makes no sense.

It's an obvious typo, ya pedant. 


There. Just for you.

The moment the bitters confirm they have a better stadium and facilities than currently available at Goodison and they will be bought and invested in..... Its the only thing thats stopping anyone coming in.....theyre bigger than Manchester City!!!

Oh. And I happen to agree with that. (but not necessarily the City bit)

The minute they're a more viable, financially stable club, they'll be invested in.   I'st the stadium issue that is keeping many potential investors, at arms length.


That and Bill wanting his pound of flesh, before he'd prepared to sell up.

[CraigDS]

Only if they get given a stadium, for nothing. Otherwise they'll have a load of debt to service.

A new stadium is more of a mythical beast than it is for us, as we take up the vast majority of the local commercial market and they don't exactly have a stupidly large ST waiting list like us.

[reds88]

The minute they're a more viable, financially stable club, they'll be invested in.   I'st the stadium issue that is keeping many potential investors, at arms length.

To be financially viable (without a stadium) they need cash injection from either the current owner or new investors.  Any possibility of this happening?  Current net debt around 45million pounds?

[Malaysian Kopite]

Richard Buxton

#LFC owner John Henry tweeting a link to research into the expansion of Anfield last night was either testing the water on redevelopment or a hint of Fenway Sports Group's forthcoming plans. The extensive blog was compiled by a local architect and it seems that the Americans may be planning to adopt a similar approach to their renovation plans for the stadium.

Whose blog was this? Was it yours Peter?

[CraigDS]

Richard Buxton

#LFC owner John Henry tweeting a link to research into the expansion of Anfield last night was either testing the water on redevelopment or a hint of Fenway Sports Group's forthcoming plans. The extensive blog was compiled by a local architect and it seems that the Americans may be planning to adopt a similar approach to their renovation plans for the stadium.

Whose blog was this? Was it yours Peter?

Yeah it was Peters - is mentioned in another thread.

No word from Peter yet, rumours are he is in Boston.













I may of made that last bit up.

[Toxfixiation]

Richard Buxton

#LFC owner John Henry tweeting a link to research into the expansion of Anfield last night was either testing the water on redevelopment or a hint of Fenway Sports Group's forthcoming plans. The extensive blog was compiled by a local architect and it seems that the Americans may be planning to adopt a similar approach to their renovation plans for the stadium.

Whose blog was this? Was it yours Peter?

yes it was peter's - only one worth reading and it should be a requirement for everyone to read it before they comment in here. The Anfield Wrap made made it clear they hadn't read it last week and sounded like pillocks

[Toxfixiation]

I may of made that last bit up.

haha brilliant!

[paulrazor]

[scatman]

aye wonder how Mr Henry got wind of Mr McGurk's blog

[TepidT2O]

aye wonder how Mr Henry got wind of Mr McGurk's blog

Sad bastards like me sent him the link.  I'm sure many others did too

I may  have made that last bit up.

Grammatical pedantry

[CraigDS]

Grammatical pedantry

Oh, I thought I may of got that wrong.



 

[Malaysian Kopite]

Yeah it was Peters - is mentioned in another thread.

No word from Peter yet, rumours are he is in Boston.













I may of made that last bit up.

[danwms]

Does anyone have the link?

[CraigDS]

http://petermcgurk.blogspot.com/search/label/Anfield

[Keith Lard]

http://petermcgurk.blogspot.com/search/label/Anfield

What a brilliant blog. Definitely worth reading all five parts of the blog regarding redevelopment of Anfield. I am sold on the idea, and a true LFC supporter owes it themselves to read this blog in depth.

We have the chance to be unique by redeveloping and enhancing what we already have. We need to recognise Liverpool for what it is as a city, maximise our global revenues, make a long and truly amazing match day experience, and not get too hung up on the false pursuit of tring to compete with corporate match day revenues that the likes of Arsenal and Manchester United get. Anfield should be about something different and we can capitalise financially on what makes us different.

I am excited by the ideas set out in this blog. We can learn from the mistakes and also good points of new stadiums like the Emirates, Millenium Stadium, Allianz and Wembley, and also learn from mistakes and good points of redevelopments like Bernabeau, Old Trafford, etc. Most importantly, our owners have vital experience with Fenway Park. I have been really down on our owners over the last half year, but if they can deliver the vision set out in Peter's blog then it could deliver an amazing legacy for us. We'll see eh!

[The Las]

Match day revenue, commercial money etc. Might be it, but what seems to be forgotten here is, the fans. Their is a responsibility to the custodians of the club to embelish the club within the traditions of its history, its prestige and for the sake of its people.

70,000 seats might not make absolute magic on the balance sheet but it will fulfill the needs of a passionate fan base. Too many supporters are priced out of going to football matches, taking a family and bringing your children up in the traditions enjoyed by us is becoming impossible.

Their is an obligation to protect that very stream of supporter.

We are in danger of losing the very soul of the club, its supporters by refusing to address the demand for season ticket issue by giving supporters better facilities and more seats to sit in.

FSG naturally will look at this as a money making investment, which is fine, but doesnt always address the needs of the fans.

[TepidT2O]

Match day revenue, commercial money etc. Might be it, but what seems to be forgotten here is, the fans. Their is a responsibility to the custodians of the club to embelish the club within the traditions of its history, its prestige and for the sake of its people.

70,000 seats might not make absolute magic on the balance sheet but it will fulfill the needs of a passionate fan base. Too many supporters are priced out of going to football matches, taking a family and bringing your children up in the traditions enjoyed by us is becoming impossible.

Their is an obligation to protect that very stream of supporter.

We are in danger of losing the very soul of the club, its supporters by refusing to address the demand for season ticket issue by giving supporters better facilities and more seats to sit in.

FSG naturally will look at this as a money making investment, which is fine, but doesnt always address the needs of the fans.

So what do you think would best support the needs of fans?

[peachybum]

Match day revenue, commercial money etc. Might be it, but what seems to be forgotten here is, the fans. Their is a responsibility to the custodians of the club to embelish the club within the traditions of its history, its prestige and for the sake of its people.

70,000 seats might not make absolute magic on the balance sheet but it will fulfill the needs of a passionate fan base. Too many supporters are priced out of going to football matches, taking a family and bringing your children up in the traditions enjoyed by us is becoming impossible.

Their is an obligation to protect that very stream of supporter.

We are in danger of losing the very soul of the club, its supporters by refusing to address the demand for season ticket issue by giving supporters better facilities and more seats to sit in.

FSG naturally will look at this as a money making investment, which is fine, but doesnt always address the needs of the fans.

I think's its been proved that building a new stadium always sees a pretty significant rise in ticket prices. I'm sure someone on here will know for sure.

[dotheoffski]

Yeh I live in London, and depend on the whims of my cousins (who have a number of season tickets amongst them) whether or not I get to see a game at Anfield, otherwise its nigh on impossible to get tickets.  I have sat with the Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs fans to see us play which is no fun so given that up.

But what people dont realise is that for any game down the pub here in London whether or not we are playing a London team often there are more liverpool supporters.

I played 7 a side on Monday night with a mixed bag of players, we set up reds vs colours and 6 of the reds side were in Liverpool tops.  We all agreed that if we had a larger stadium and we could get tickets that we would try and get to the games on the weekend.  Mid week games are admittedly another matter.  Overall I feel the club could fill a larger stadium than the oft mentionned 60k figure.  Unfortunately Man U did it right slowly increasing the stadium size as it became apparent they could fill the larger capacity.  If we are going for a redevelopment (admittedly I was keen on a new build) and if option C is possible then surely that is the way to go.

[RedPross]

All for the fan pqrk.... How about 5 themed pubs based on each European Cup win.... Each one named after the year...and done out themed around the location memoribilia and could do food from that location also..... So could meet in the Istanbul for a few pints and then go on to the Rome 84 for a Spag Bol :-)