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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2080 on: March 22, 2013, 02:14:05 pm »
Al what is that article meant to be showing exactly?

The club owns no houses in one street they mention being like Beruit (Tancred Rd) and the other street they mentioned (Skerries) the club sold the houses for £1 each to allow the refurbishment of these to be commercially viable to others.

Once again the club owns 10 houses total. 10 houses out of (is it 1,700 I've seen mentioned?) in the wider area which are either currently boarded up or have been boarded up and have now been demolished.



What is the point you are trying to make here?

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2081 on: March 22, 2013, 02:15:19 pm »
Here is the timescale Peter and the Club started furtively planning to buy up properties years before HMRI.

http://anfieldsrockfieldtriangle.weebly.com/how-did-it-all-begin.html

Ok, so you want to ignore what's said and change tack...

But if the club starting buying properties on October 1999 as said there, the properties were already clearly well-stuffed and in no fit state for habitation. So again, how that contributes to decline of even the very immediate area around the ground completely escapes me.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2082 on: March 22, 2013, 02:17:41 pm »
Al what is that article meant to be showing exactly?

The club owns no houses in one street they mention being like Beruit (Tancred Rd) and the other street they mentioned (Skerries) the club sold the houses for £1 each to allow the refurbishment of these to be commercially viable to others.

Once again the club owns 10 houses total. 10 houses out of (is it 1,700 I've seen mentioned?) in the wider area which are either currently boarded up or have been boarded up and have now been demolished.



What is the point you are trying to make here?

And Tancred Road being well outside the number of streets affected by any expansion at the time. Ok. This is just bollocks now.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2083 on: March 22, 2013, 02:31:11 pm »

What is the point you are trying to make here?

I've given up asking mate. If he doesn't answer the first four times, it's entirely reasonable to assume he doesn't have a point.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2084 on: March 22, 2013, 02:34:05 pm »
Al what is that article meant to be showing exactly?

The club owns no houses in one street they mention being like Beruit (Tancred Rd) and the other street they mentioned (Skerries) the club sold the houses for £1 each to allow the refurbishment of these to be commercially viable to others.

Once again the club owns 10 houses total. 10 houses out of (is it 1,700 I've seen mentioned?) in the wider area which are either currently boarded up or have been boarded up and have now been demolished.



What is the point you are trying to make here?

It shows that 14 years ago the Club through a third party Cloister Developments started secretly buying properties in Lothair Rd. That is way before HMRI it shows that the Club and the City Council secretly planned to demolish 1600 houses again that is way before HMRI, Pathfinder or New Heartlands. Peter would love you to believe that it is the fault of Central Government and that LFC are some innocent party caught up in some failed regeneration project.

The Club and the City council started this malaise not central government.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2085 on: March 22, 2013, 02:38:45 pm »
It shows that 14 years ago the Club through a third party Cloister Developments started secretly buying properties in Lothair Rd. That is way before HMRI it shows that the Club and the City Council secretly planned to demolish 1600 houses again that is way before HMRI, Pathfinder or New Heartlands. Peter would love you to believe that it is the fault of Central Government and that LFC are some innocent party caught up in some failed regeneration project.

The Club and the City council started this malaise not central government.

Secretly buying the houses in Lothair? Presumably you've actual evidence of this? Even so the club owns 10 houses in total on that road, 10 houses out of 1700 in the area boarded up or recently demolished. That's less than 1%.

The club might of been involved in discussions with the council, the club may of expressed a desire to obtain the land they needed around the ground to expand, but how you go from that to the club being party to some 1700 homes stretching a long distance from anywhere they would of needed to expand is beyond me.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2086 on: March 22, 2013, 02:49:21 pm »
It shows that 14 years ago the Club through a third party Cloister Developments started secretly buying properties in Lothair Rd. That is way before HMRI it shows that the Club and the City Council secretly planned to demolish 1600 houses again that is way before HMRI, Pathfinder or New Heartlands. Peter would love you to believe that it is the fault of Central Government and that LFC are some innocent party caught up in some failed regeneration project.

The Club and the City council started this malaise not central government.

Mate. The Club redeveloped the Centenary Stand at Anfield in 1992. So let's put a back stop to the club 'blighting the area by dithering' there.

The area (along with the rest of the city) has been in spectacular decline since the 70s and 80s.

The club bought properties in 1999. So you say the club has been responsible for the area's decline which had been going on for more than 30 years prior to that time. Please try and understand before one of us dies.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2087 on: March 22, 2013, 02:58:42 pm »
The club wouldn't have had to 'dither' if the Council had simply worked with the club for expansion and refurbishment.  The whole Stanley Park debacle was something the Council wanted to happen - it wasn't the club's first choice.

Essentially, it's taken 15 years got get to where the club wanted to be in late 1997.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2088 on: March 22, 2013, 03:54:39 pm »
The club wouldn't have had to 'dither' if the Council had simply worked with the club for expansion and refurbishment.  The whole Stanley Park debacle was something the Council wanted to happen - it wasn't the club's first choice.

Essentially, it's taken 15 years got get to where the club wanted to be in late 1997.

The Council did work with the Club the problem is that it was in secret and they didn't even bother top consult the people who lived there. From the Conn piece from 2000.


Parry's desire to revive Liverpool's past glories is, however, is fraught with difficulty - particularly in his own back yard, in the tightly packed terraced streets around Anfield where Liverpool has had surprisingly poor relations with its neighbouring community. Many residents accuse the club of caring and doing little for them, despite its new-found millions. But much of the bitterness stems from Liverpool's practice of buying a large number of local houses, only to leave many of them empty and boarded up, a blight on the area.

A culture of secrecy, which Parry admits to, has not helped. For years residents feared the club was planning to knock down dozens of houses to make room for expansion, and believed Liverpool City Council was bending over backwards to help. These fears were confirmed last September when the council unveiled "Anfield Plus", a blueprint for regeneration of the area, without consulting residents but after extensive meetings with the club and local landlords. Residents turned up to an exhibition of the plans to find that 1,600 homes were to be demolished, to make way for a revamped residential and commercial area with an expanded football ground at its centre. "It was devastating," says Harry Lloyd, a resident for 39 years and chairman of Walton Breck Residents' Association. "People who had lived here all their lives were suddenly told their homes would be going. It was terrible, particularly for the old people."

The subsequent furore led to the council withdrawing the plans, admitting it had not conducted itself well, and launching an investigation into how "Anfield Plus" was hatched. That report is now complete but the council has not yet published it, further fuelling suspicion among local residents.



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« Reply #2089 on: March 22, 2013, 04:14:56 pm »
The Council did work with the Club the problem is that it was in secret and they didn't even bother top consult the people who lived there. From the Conn piece from 2000.


Parry's desire to revive Liverpool's past glories is, however, is fraught with difficulty - particularly in his own back yard, in the tightly packed terraced streets around Anfield where Liverpool has had surprisingly poor relations with its neighbouring community. Many residents accuse the club of caring and doing little for them, despite its new-found millions. But much of the bitterness stems from Liverpool's practice of buying a large number of local houses, only to leave many of them empty and boarded up, a blight on the area.

A culture of secrecy, which Parry admits to, has not helped. For years residents feared the club was planning to knock down dozens of houses to make room for expansion, and believed Liverpool City Council was bending over backwards to help. These fears were confirmed last September when the council unveiled "Anfield Plus", a blueprint for regeneration of the area, without consulting residents but after extensive meetings with the club and local landlords. Residents turned up to an exhibition of the plans to find that 1,600 homes were to be demolished, to make way for a revamped residential and commercial area with an expanded football ground at its centre. "It was devastating," says Harry Lloyd, a resident for 39 years and chairman of Walton Breck Residents' Association. "People who had lived here all their lives were suddenly told their homes would be going. It was terrible, particularly for the old people."

The subsequent furore led to the council withdrawing the plans, admitting it had not conducted itself well, and launching an investigation into how "Anfield Plus" was hatched. That report is now complete but the council has not yet published it, further fuelling suspicion among local residents.



That for me is no way for a publicly elected council and a private company to carry on.

No one is talking David Conn as gospel on this issue. He's rather too close to his mates at OT.

Nevertheless, even if the whole process was dressed up in pantomime cloak and dagger and drowned in a box in the Mersey, you tell me what responsibility the club has to residents in the area above and beyond any other private company in the area.

And you tell me what owning 10 houses in the previous two years has had to affect blight in the area that had been going on for the past thirty years.

And how council sorting out 1600 otherwise on-the-brink homes is a negative for that area.

And while you’re at it, tell me how taking proposals to consult with people of the area before they’re set in stone is an unacceptable way for council to behave.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2090 on: March 22, 2013, 04:52:33 pm »
No one is talking David Conn as gospel on this issue. He's rather too close to his mates at OT.

I think that is a bit below the belt mate considering the fantastic work Conn has done over Hillsborough over the last couple of decades.

Nevertheless, even if the whole process was dressed up in pantomime cloak and dagger and drowned in a box in the Mersey, you tell me what responsibility the club has to residents in the area above and beyond any other private company in the area.

It might be just me but what other private companies have spouted cringe worthy bollocks about being the catalyst for regeneration and what other private company would of got planning permission to build in a Victorian park.

 
And you tell me what owning 10 houses in the previous two years has had to affect blight in the area that had been going on for the past thirty years.

And how council sorting out 1600 otherwise on-the-brink homes is a negative for that area.

And while you’re at it, tell me how taking proposals to consult with people of the area before they’re set in stone is an unacceptable way for council to behave.


From the time line from here http://anfieldsrockfieldtriangle.weebly.com/residents-forum.html#nabble-td5001033

Oct 1999; By John Campbell and Larry Neild - Liverpool Echo. An investigation was launched today into "secret" plans for the redevelopment of land around Anfield stadium. Anfield Councillor Joe Kenny called for the inquiry, after discovering that local officials and LFC were discussing radical plans for the area, months before the public was told.

Dec 1999; By Micheal Doran - Star. Liverpool Football Club has plans to develop the main stand and Anfield Road ends of its stadium - demolishing nearby homes. Contrary to previous statements the club's chief executive, Rick Parry, made the admission in a face to face meeting with the Oakfield and District Business Association.

Dec1999; By Micheal Doran - Star. James McFadden, of Cloister Developments, has been revealed by LFC chief executive Mr Parry as a major cog in the clubs designs to expand. Speaking exclusively to the Star Mr McFadden, who hails from Glasgow, said he has sold several properties to LFC this year.

May 2000; By Phil McNulty BBC Sport Online chief football writer - In fact, the major surprise is that Liverpool have decided to opt for a capacity that is only 10,000 above the current level at Anfield. The ideal scenario for Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry and his board would be to stay at historic Anfield and build on its rich traditions by increasing its 44,000-plus capacity up towards the 55,000 mark.

March 2001; By Larry Neild/Liverpool Echo. Cllr Joe Kenny, who has been critical of the Stanley Park plan, said today: "I have been pushing for a public referendum over Stanley Park. A senior official has told me to hang fire because it might not be needed. That can only mean one thing - there will be no stadium on Stanley Park, so no need for a referendum."

Oct 2001; By Mark Thomas/Liverpool Echo. Rick Parry said: "Our proposal is that we work as a preferred partner with the council to carry out the detailed feasibility and options appraisal work necessary to achieve an increased capacity in Anfield, either in a new stadium or by extending the current one"

April 2002; By Jane Woodhead - Liverpool Echo. This latest research by the Manchester company GVA Grimley has taken into account how the expansion of the club's stadium fits in with the regeneration of the area, including housing and environmental improvements.

May 2002; By Jane Woodhead and Mark Thomas - Liverpool Echo. A draft report was put together by Manchester-based consultants GVA Grimley on behalf of Liverpool City Council. Today the council's ruling executive board was told that consultants GVA Grimley have concluded Stanley Park is the best option both for the club and the Anfield Breckfield area. The GVA Grimley report says: "The decline of the Anfield Breckfield area has been rapid and continues at a significant rate. "The spiral of decline is vicious and unless arrested will result in the death of Anfield Breckfield as a community"

Dec 2002;  By Mike Hornby - Daily Post. Jean Hill, 60, a member of the Friends of Stanley Park, said: "I grew up in Anfield and watched Liverpool Football Club become an international business worth millions. "But in all that time, the club has never put anything back into the community. "We hear about grand plans for regeneration, but there is no real commitment in terms of what will be built and how much it will cost. "This is just a land-grab exercise and the promises are meaningless."

Oct 2003;  By Ananova. Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry said: "These plans will have a massive impact on the area."This is something which has followed extensive dialogue with the community in the last three years. The club sees the new stadium as a catalyst for the regeneration of the entire area, which will be to the benefit of the whole community.
"However, we made clear the time scales involved are now critical if the stadium is ready for 2006 and the regeneration package completed in time for the European Capital of Culture in 2008."

June 2004; By Al Campbell - LFC Online. Chairman of the Anfield Regeneration Action Committee Joe Kenny handed the protest in at Millenium house, home of the city council planning department, last Tuesday. Mr Kenny said: "Today the people of Anfield delivered over 10,000 individual objections as well as an official statement outlining the reasons why the city council must not approve Liverpool Football Club's planning application. "The official letter carries over 100 planning objections. In the light of this, we expect Liverpool City Council to reject LFC's plans as they are in total contradiction with the council's own planning policy. "If passed, Liverpool City Council would be acting illegally and the individual councillors could well be culpable."

Sept 2004; By Paul Eaton - LFC Official Website. Rick Parry has spoken of his delight after the Reds were granted planning approval for a new stadium - but he's warned the Reds will pull out of the project if costs spiral out of control.

March 2005; BBC Sport Online. Chief executive Rick Parry has insisted Liverpool will secure the investment for their new Stanley Park stadium. The cost of the scheme is reportedly about £130m but Parry is confident it will happen, and he also denied reports chairman David Moore could stand down. "It's more than we first thought, costs are increasing and the nature of the project has changed but we're confident we can fund it," said Parry.

June 2005; By Nick Coligan - Liverpool Echo. The ECHO revealed yesterday that government officials have knocked back Liverpool's bid for £23m of taxpayers' money for the stadium project. The club wanted to spend about £9m on the roof, soundproof wall cladding and an under-ground car park. But the Northwest Development Agency (NWDA) says it will not allow public money to be spent on construction costs, although it will back the regeneration of Anfield and Breckfield. Liverpool council is now drawing up a set of proposals which the NWDA could support instead.

July 2006;  By Larry Neild - City Editor. Liverpool FC already has planning permission to build its new stadium in the area.
But the scheme is linked to a wide-scale New Anfield Regeneration plan that will see new and improved homes and leisure facilities for thousands living in the shadow of the club. Cllr Clucas told the executive board that, if the stadium does not proceed, the regeneration package also falls.

Sept 2006; By BBC Sport Online. Council leader Warren Bradley said: "Liverpool Football Club is one of the best-known and most successful in the world. "Yet it stands in one of the poorest areas, not only in the city, but in the country. "What we are looking to do is not just provide a new home for the football club fitting for their status as one of the world's best, but use their success to spark a dramatic revival of the Anfield and Breckfield areas."

July 2007; By Nick Coligan - Liverpool Echo. Now Liverpool council is being given a firm timescale which the club hopes to stick to. It would mean:

    A planning application being lodged on July 25 2007.
    The council granting planning permission by the end of October 2007.
    Government officials agreeing not to intervene by the end of November 2007.
    Work starting at the end of the year.

Councillors will also be asked to agree a 999-year lease for the site to new company Stadco, which is being set up by Liverpool to develop the ground. The club would have to pay rent of £300,000 a year.

Oct 2008; By Tony Barrett - Liverpool Echo, Liverpool today slammed speculation suggesting they are considering ditching plans to build a new stadium. A Sunday newspaper report claimed the club has hired architects to look at the possibility of redeveloping Anfield instead of going ahead with their proposals to construct a new ground on nearby Stanley Park. But senior club officials dismissed the story out of hand, insisting it is without any foundation. A club spokesman told the ECHO: “The story is completely wrong. “No-one has been asked to look at increasing the capacity of Anfield with a view to us staying at the present ground.

 Aug 2008; TEAMtalk.  Dr Rogan Taylor, founder of the fans' group ShareLiverpoolFC, who want to take the club into community ownership, hit out saying: "This has not come as a surprise. The Americans did not have any money for the stadium."We have been saying this for a long time. These guys are a broken record, they are the soap opera of Anfield Road. This just goes on and on and is just an excuse for not starting the stadium. "The money goes up every time. Three years ago it was £150million, now it is £350-£400million. And now they are talking about "re-visiting" the capacity issue.

Dec 2009; BBC Sport Online. Work on Liverpool's new stadium in Stanley Park could begin as early as April 2010, the leader of Liverpool City Council has told the BBC. Warren Bradley said Liverpool have told the council they are "very close now to securing the finances". He added it would be "in April that hopefully, fingers crossed, we'll see some activity on Stanley Park".

Oct 2010; This is Anfield - website.  The club hope to start work on either increasing Anfield’s capacity to 60,000 or a new stadium very shortly after the sale is completed.

Oct 2010; BBC NEWS - Liverpool FC's new owners have met the city's council leader to discuss regeneration plans for Anfield. City council leader Joe Anderson met NESV'S Tom Werner and explained the urgency felt by local residents in Anfield. Mr Anderson said the talks "went really well."The council wants the club to decide quickly on whether to build a new, redeveloped or shared stadium. Council and club officials are due to have further talks in two weeks time.

July 2011; David Bartlett City editor of the Post and Echo Published @ Liverpool Daily Post, reported; The club says it is cheaper to stay at Anfield but that "land/property acquisition, environmental and statutory issues" are creating barriers to the club's ambition. LFC clearly want the council to change its mind and chief executive Ian Ayre says it will not be pressured into making a decision. For land and property acquisition, the club needs to buy up nearby houses. Without help from the council to issue Compulsory Purchase Orders this could take years or mean the club paying hugely inflated prices for houses. The environmental and statutory issue refers to a number of issues. If the club wants to redevelop Anfield it will need to go for yet another planning approval that too will take time. It is my understanding that the height the club would like to add to stands could present real problems in achieving planning permission.

August 2011; LFC MD Ayer said: "The right to light issue is the reason we need to take the other streets out. There is only the Main Stand and the Anfield Road Stand that could be redeveloped"

Feb 2012; Arena Housing’s Dave Litherland at the BNEC Centre on 2nd February. When asked about Lothair & Alroy Roads, Dave Litherland confirmed Arena Housing had no plans for any refurbishment works in Lothair Road until LFC decide what they are going to do.
 
Apr 2012;  Plans seen by the Liverpool ECHO suggest that the Liverpool city council bosses plan to demolish houses left derelict by Liverpool Football Club in order to speed up the regeneration of the Anfield area. The land will be grassed over as part of the wider regeneration of the Rockfield residential area. An LFC spokesman said: "We have been consulted on the regeneration plans by Liverpool council. "As always we remain collaborative and supportive of any initiatives to improve our local area, but discussions at this stage would be far too preliminary to comment further. "We remain committed to supporting our local community in all areas."

May 2012; Liverpool city council's assistant director Mark Kitts proposes Option 3; preferred option of Liverpool city council and according to Mark Kitts - Compatible with an LFC options review.

May 2012 ; LFC MD Ian Ayer stated; "We're still deciding whether to stay or go" and later he went on to say; "Go and look at the economics of a £300million new build for 15,000 new seats.”It's pretty hard to make that stack up"

June 2012 ; by David Conn, guardian.co.uk. Mark Kitts, told the Guardian that the demolitions would make the number of houses more "sustainable" and allow for refurbishment. Mr Kitts said Liverpool have confirmed, in discussions with the council, that these demolitions would meet the club's requirements.

June 2012 ; by David Bartlett, Liverpool Echo. Mr Kitts said: "We have been working with the club very closely and they have said this will accommodate their needs if they stay at Anfield and refurbish the current stadium." The main issue standing in the way of the Reds expanding Anfield has been the "right to light" of nearby residents. Mr Kitts has said that the demolitions would solve those issues.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2091 on: March 22, 2013, 05:05:33 pm »
I think that is a bit below the belt mate considering the fantastic work Conn has done over Hillsborough over the last couple of decades.

It might be just me but what other private companies have spouted cringe worthy bollocks about being the catalyst for regeneration and what other private company would of got planning permission to build in a Victorian park.

From the time line from here ...

I'm basing my opinion of David Conn's bias and/or uninformed view on his slanted reporting of the stadium situation. Whatever else he might have got right, he's definitely got that wrong.

Quite frankly. EVERY private company that wants to put their best foot forward to a planning application points up the benefits of the application as best it can. You can call it cringe-worthy bollocks if you like. And don't forget, the club were paying for the privilege, helping with restoration costs and saving the council maintenance cost. Where else have we seen that recently? (Sefton Park)

As for the rest. It simply confirms a chronology of various people's views of the events. Nevertheless if taken on face value, it doesn't show there was anything that the club did to create the 30 years' economic blight on the area prior to the attempts to do something about it in 1999! You can't blame the club for the decline of the city or Anfield (or trying to do something about it prior to HMRI taking over in 2002).

All very interesting both facts and opinion I’m sure but what other point do you make from it?
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2092 on: March 27, 2013, 06:59:28 pm »
Be great to get this topic back on track and focus on the present and the future rather than who is to blame for what...

Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
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« Reply #2093 on: April 5, 2013, 12:32:46 pm »
What we really need is for the government to buy Anfield off us, do it up to our spec to be used for some ladies tournament or something.  They then sell it back for about 50p and everyone's happy.  After all, Manchester City and WHam have both got decent new stadiums on the cheap...

On a serious note, if we don't do something fucking soon we are getting left behind, end of.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2094 on: April 5, 2013, 12:41:47 pm »
What we really need is for the government to buy Anfield off us, do it up to our spec to be used for some ladies tournament or something.  They then sell it back for about 50p and everyone's happy.  After all, Manchester City and WHam have both got decent new stadiums on the cheap...

On a serious note, if we don't do something fucking soon we are getting left behind, end of.

Indeed. I think not getting the World Cup for 2018 was a massive blow for H&G's monster plans.

But the club have done a lot and are doing a lot but there's no point rushing into print before dotting the Is and Ts of the land issues.

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« Reply #2095 on: April 5, 2013, 06:08:48 pm »
Indeed. I think not getting the World Cup for 2018 was a massive blow for H&G's monster plans.

But the club have done a lot and are doing a lot but there's no point rushing into print before dotting the Is and Ts of the land issues.
I agree, but this has been going on for years now...
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2096 on: April 8, 2013, 10:57:29 am »
What we really need is for the government to buy Anfield off us, do it up to our spec to be used for some ladies tournament or something.  They then sell it back for about 50p and everyone's happy.  After all, Manchester City and WHam have both got decent new stadiums on the cheap...

On a serious note, if we don't do something fucking soon we are getting left behind, end of.

How far we are behind the likes of United can be seen from news like this:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/08/manchester-united-sell-naming-rights

When they are so successful that they can get GBP150 Million for the naming rights to their training ground alone, that tells you just how badly that the Moores family did on their watch.

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Re: Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2097 on: April 8, 2013, 11:03:40 am »
How far we are behind the likes of United can be seen from news like this:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/08/manchester-united-sell-naming-rights

When they are so successful that they can get GBP150 Million for the naming rights to their training ground alone, that tells you just how badly that the Moores family did on their watch.

That is not true. It is the training ground AND kit which is a completely different deal. Also, is that £150M before or after the £75M they had to pay DHL to get out of the current contract?

Does all our traing kit (even the replica stuff) have Standard Chartered on it?
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Re: Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2098 on: April 8, 2013, 11:22:51 am »
That is not true. It is the training ground AND kit which is a completely different deal. Also, is that £150M before or after the £75M they had to pay DHL to get out of the current contract?

Does all our traing kit (even the replica stuff) have Standard Chartered on it?

Yeah all our current stuff has SC on it.

I said this a while ago, and still think it now, that we may renew with SC for a similar amount to now but it will not include training gear this time round, so we can then get an increase via this.

The only issue is this AON deal for united includes them sponsoring the foreign tours and all friendly kits - now this is a massive part of why SC sponsor us so I can't see this being any part of our deal going forward.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2099 on: April 8, 2013, 11:25:28 am »
Does all our traing kit (even the replica stuff) have Standard Chartered on it?

am sure it does, if not the name then their logo atleast
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2100 on: April 10, 2013, 01:01:45 pm »
Im game for Naming Rights for Anfield, anything! other wise costs will be put onto fans.

Call it what they want as long as we get about £150m for it, Ill always call it Anfield.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2102 on: April 11, 2013, 11:36:22 am »
Bit of no news news here

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc-news/1218589-anfield-redevelopment-plans-still-at-premature-stage,-says-liverpool-fc-chief.html?#VsMZgmvDgLQ06HHk.99

Headline:  "Anfield redevelopment still at premature stage, says Liverpool FC chief"

Number of quotes in article using word "premature" - 0.

The quote from Andrew Parkinson is clearly a response to a specific question - but the specific question isn't actually included in the piece.

Very poor.


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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2103 on: April 11, 2013, 11:43:06 am »
This waiting game gets annoying don't it?

I reckon it will be another year before we see any plans, just a guess

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2104 on: April 11, 2013, 11:53:00 am »
Thing is, getting necessary permissions, planning consents, etc takes an absolute age on a project this size.  I'm firmly of the belief that if they could start now, they would have started.  If there are public enquiries and suchlike it will be even longer.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2105 on: April 11, 2013, 11:58:27 am »
Weve been waiting well over a decade for a new ground/redevelopment and everybody is impatient and annoyed, but FSG should not be having that aimed at them. Since theyve come in theyve shown their intention, made it their number one priority and as the redevlopment will last for years and years and years, they want to get it absolutely perfect. No need to rush it, take our time and itll be worth the wait.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2106 on: April 11, 2013, 12:52:46 pm »
Headline:  "Anfield redevelopment still at premature stage, says Liverpool FC chief"

Number of quotes in article using word "premature" - 0.

The quote from Andrew Parkinson is clearly a response to a specific question - but the specific question isn't actually included in the piece.

Very poor.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2107 on: April 11, 2013, 01:02:52 pm »
As soon as I saw it was a Word Thief piece I knew there was no point in reading it.
I concur wholeheartedly there's a reason his name defaults to word thief on here plus whatever shite he comes up with tends to be through his Everton blue tinted glasses.
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2108 on: April 12, 2013, 10:38:22 am »
Interestingly commercial CV:

"Andrew [Parkinson], who will report directly to Managing Director Ian Ayre, takes up his new position on September 5 [2011].

He will be responsible for the overall delivery of the customer experience at Liverpool, managing and developing operational activities relating to customer services, ticketing, conference and banqueting, stadium operations, and museum and tours. He will also oversee the facilities management of the Club's various different sites.

Currently the general manager for Bluewater, one of Europe's leading retail and leisure destinations, Andrew has operated in a fast paced and multi-faceted retail/leisure environment delivering an operation with the customer at the centre of its success. This has included full P&L responsibility encompassing over 330 UK and international brands, 50 bars and restaurants in a facility covering 1.6million square feet. He also has a track record of working with broader external stakeholders in building relationships with the local council to help position Bluewater at the heart of the community. Additionally he has overseen the development of the next phase of Bluewater's evolution, the Events Venue - a purpose-built 55,000 sq ft facility that will open in late 2011.

Andrew began his career in 1989 as a district sales manager for NAAFI, a multi-faceted retail outlet. He spent six years there before joining Thorn UK as regional sales manager with commercial responsibility for over 50 stores. After a number of promotions he joined Bluewater in 2003 as retail business manager, with responsibility for day-to-day relations. He then became general manager of Touchwood in 2004 and spent three years in that role, with responsibility for 100 retail and catering outlets before joining Bluewater in 2007 as general manager.

Managing Director Ian Ayre said: "Andrew brings a wealth of relevant experience and some fresh ideas. He will add further focus to our desire to improve the all-round customer experience for our fans and customers. We continue to grow in all areas of our business and it is vital that we equip ourselves with the necessary talent on and off the pitch to ensure we are capable of being the best we can be. Andrew will be an excellent addition to the management team."

Andrew said: "This is a really exciting challenge at a pivotal time in the Club's development. Liverpool is an iconic sporting institution, with a fantastic heritage. It's my job to help build on that and deliver the best possible experience for all our supporters, whether that is on a matchday or through other channels of communication with the Club.

"I was brought up a Liverpool fan and my great grandfather Jack Parkinson actually played as a striker for the Club in the early 20th century, so this is a fabulous opportunity for me to work for an organisation which means so much me personally."


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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2109 on: April 12, 2013, 11:41:20 am »
Seriously, feels like about a decade since I heard first about "a new stadium/redevelopment" and nothing.



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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2110 on: April 12, 2013, 12:58:57 pm »
Just seen some info posted up by a resident of Lothair Rd...

'Two families have sold up and left the area - one willingly and the other reluctantly. We know as fact that another family on the odds side of Lothair have also agreed to sell and are in negotiations.'

And...

'No GVA are not buying any properties - they may have done in the past, but no longer - it's now the city council who are the lapdog fronting LFC's acquisition of property. GVA have had their grubby little manc fingers in everything that's happened in this area. GVA did have some initial negotiations with a couple of owners last year but talks broke down and GVA vanished. '

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« Reply #2111 on: April 15, 2013, 11:09:55 am »
Seriously, feels like about a decade since I heard first about "a new stadium/redevelopment" and nothing.



Gash.

It's longer than a decade, no?  Even FSG have been here what, 2 and half years now? 

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2112 on: April 15, 2013, 12:15:46 pm »
It's longer than a decade, no?  Even FSG have been here what, 2 and half years now? 
2002 around may time iirc

new ground and all
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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2113 on: April 15, 2013, 01:22:36 pm »
Just seen some info posted up by a resident of Lothair Rd...

'Two families have sold up and left the area - one willingly and the other reluctantly. We know as fact that another family on the odds side of Lothair have also agreed to sell and are in negotiations.'

And...

'No GVA are not buying any properties - they may have done in the past, but no longer - it's now the city council who are the lapdog fronting LFC's acquisition of property. GVA have had their grubby little manc fingers in everything that's happened in this area. GVA did have some initial negotiations with a couple of owners last year but talks broke down and GVA vanished. '

Who are GVA Craig? A private landlord?

I wonder how many that leaves on Lothair now? Can only be a couple?

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2114 on: April 15, 2013, 01:26:10 pm »
2002 around may time iirc

new ground and all

The club first mooted the idea of redevelopment in 1999 and got soundly kicked for it by local residents and Councillor Kemp when they took their plans to the public ("plotting in secret", "carving up the area"...) because the joint proposals included the clearance and re-building of 1600 homes in the area.

Funnily enough not a soul beeped when government came along later with £230m and a scheme to clear 1750 homes... (but no involvement with stadium)

So the club have been effectively forced down the (unworkable) new stadium and (unplantable) spades in the ground route for over 11 years before the arrival of FSG who have turned all that history around.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2115 on: April 15, 2013, 02:52:19 pm »
The club first mooted the idea of redevelopment in 1999 and got soundly kicked for it by local residents and Councillor Kemp when they took their plans to the public ("plotting in secret", "carving up the area"...) because the joint proposals included the clearance and re-building of 1600 homes in the area.

Funnily enough not a soul beeped when government came along later with £230m and a scheme to clear 1750 homes... (but no involvement with stadium)

So the club have been effectively forced down the (unworkable) new stadium and (unplantable) spades in the ground route for over 11 years before the arrival of FSG who have turned all that history around.
yeah i know all that. just answering that, first bit i remember of the new ground was in 2002 it was announced we were movign to stanley park. all i can do is wait and see.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2116 on: April 15, 2013, 10:05:26 pm »
Don't shoot me down but I've read the last few pages and have no idea what the latest position is re the redevelopment of Anfield! Anyone able to do a brief summary? Thanks!
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« Reply #2117 on: April 15, 2013, 10:07:00 pm »
Don't shoot me down but I've read the last few pages and have no idea what the latest position is re the redevelopment of Anfield! Anyone able to do a brief summary? Thanks!

Club want to redevelop, council is on board, council is attempting to buy the houses behind the Main Stand which would be needed to expand - they have bought some but not all.

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Re: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« Reply #2118 on: April 22, 2013, 04:49:13 pm »
Anyone have any ideas with whats going on with regards to the new TV screens the club where planning to put into Anfield (upper centenary stand)?

I seen the planning application pack on here a few months ago but haven't heard anything since...
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« Reply #2119 on: April 28, 2013, 05:31:06 pm »
Anyone have any ideas with whats going on with regards to the new TV screens the club where planning to put into Anfield (upper centenary stand)?

I seen the planning application pack on here a few months ago but haven't heard anything since...

Im sure theyll be going up in the summer , am I right in saying cos of GL technology they will show replays on the screens ? ?
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