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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4600 on: November 1, 2012, 12:09:55 pm »
Weird how Obama gets so much support on here when he's way to the right of David Cameron.

Not sure about that assessment. But even if it's true you can only pick the best out of a bad bunch. I mean...I'm a member of Leftist Green party here in Iceland. We have a proportional voting system so there's no reason for me not to support my party. However if we had a first past the post system I'd probably vote for the Social Democrats because they'd be the party most likely to beat the Conservative party which is the party I disagree with the most. Otherwise I'd just be throwing my vote away (which is something the British are awfully familiar with).

It's all game theory in the end. The system controls voter behaviour.

But I'd also like to say that I actually do like Obama. I think he's a good man. A smart man trying to do his best in an awful system.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4601 on: November 1, 2012, 12:11:42 pm »

It's all game theory in the end. The system controls voter behaviour.

Only because we let it.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4602 on: November 1, 2012, 12:16:56 pm »
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4603 on: November 1, 2012, 12:23:49 pm »
Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews
US private sector adds 158,000 jobs in October from September, according to ADP - @FoxBusiness
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4604 on: November 1, 2012, 12:28:08 pm »
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US private sector adds 158,000 jobs in October from September, according to ADP - @FoxBusiness

Makes sense.  Many employers are hiring for the holiday (shopping) season.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4605 on: November 1, 2012, 02:36:35 pm »
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/10/beeson-obama-firewall-is-burning-147896.html

This is pure spin, of course both sides do it but the idea that there's now a big swing towards Romney is pure fantasy based on the polls in the swing states, which are going the other way. Of course Romney might still win, but if he does it will be close...and I really can't see him winning Florida by double digits.

I do wonder why campaigns keep saying stuff like this...I know they want to give the impression of confidence and momentum, but would this not make 'casual' Republicans think they don't need to vote as Romney is going to win anyway, and they can get the result they prefer without having to make the effort to vote?

Anyway, Nate Silver disagrees:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/oct-31-obamas-electoral-college-firewall-holding-in-polls/#more-36981
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4606 on: November 1, 2012, 02:38:09 pm »
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4607 on: November 1, 2012, 02:39:26 pm »
but would this not make 'casual' Republicans think they don't need to vote as Romney is going to win anyway, and they can get the result they prefer without having to make the effort to vote?

Interesting question.  I don't know, but I wouldn't think so; it typically isn't Republicans that have trouble getting folks to show up.  At least that is my perception...

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4608 on: November 1, 2012, 02:49:47 pm »
Surely the most appropriate respone is heftier sanctions and invasion, no?  ::)

Iran Offers to Send Emergency Aid Team to Stricken New York

TEHRAN — Iranian rescuers and aid workers are on standby to fly to New York City to provide assistance to those affected by Hurricane Sandy, the head of Iran’s Red Crescent Organization said on Wednesday.

“We are ready to help the flood-stricken people of America,” Mahmud Mozaffar, who leads the organization, told the semiofficial Fars News Agency.

His men stand ready to board planes and fly to the United States to help out, assuming the American government accepts Iran’s offer, he said.

“If American authorities agree, we can send our rescuers with equipment and tools to American cities in the shortest period of time,” Mr. Mozaffar said.

Mark C. Toner, a spokesman for the State Department, said in an email message late Wednesday, “We have seen reports in the media, but at this time have received no official offer of assistance from the Iranian government or any Iranian entity.”

Dealing regularly with floods and earthquakes, Iran’s Red Crescent Organization is experienced in providing immediate assistance following disasters. But the organization, the Islamic version of the Red Cross, is closely affiliated with Iran’s government. According to documents disclosed by WikiLeaks, American officials suspect that some Red Crescent employees operate as spies when providing help in other countries.

The United States and Iran have not had diplomatic relations since the aftermath of the 1979 hostage taking of the United States Embassy in Tehran, but natural disasters have sometimes been a way of engaging in direct communication, beyond politics.

In 2003, the United States sent a C-130 military transport plane with a rescue team and an ambulance to the southeast Iranian city of Bam where 25,000 people died in a devastating earthquake, and in August the United States offered to do the same when more than 300 people were killed in two deadly earthquakes in the northwestern part of the country.

While Iranian authorities turned down the most recent offer, the United States Treasury Department temporarily lifted sanction restrictions to allow charities to send goods and money to the stricken area.

In June 2010, Iran’s Foreign Ministry and the Revolutionary Guards Corps said they were ready to help out the United States in controlling the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4609 on: November 1, 2012, 02:59:14 pm »
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4610 on: November 1, 2012, 03:07:26 pm »
I mean, pretty sure the people dealing with rescues and cleanup showing the President and Christie around NJ today wasn't the best use of their time. People want to be looking like they're doing something to help.

This is really only a thing in the liberal blogs.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4611 on: November 1, 2012, 03:10:44 pm »

What the f*ck is he on about, the man is a nutter.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4612 on: November 1, 2012, 03:22:01 pm »
What the f*ck is he on about, the man is a nutter.
Exactly. I've sadly listened to it more than once and could not make head or tail of it. What an almighty git! I do believe he speaks in tongues. But then, thats a moron for you. Why many republicans believe politics has anything to do with Christ is beyond me.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4614 on: November 1, 2012, 03:34:16 pm »

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4615 on: November 1, 2012, 03:35:05 pm »


Do you have some sort of obsession with naked 80 year old men?

I'm not judging you; I just think that there must be a better outlet for your interest than repeatedly posting pictures of them on a football forum.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4617 on: November 1, 2012, 04:07:50 pm »


Religious zealot, potentially with nuclear football, who believes that there is going to be a end-of-times holy war centered on the middle east and his church has a key role to play.   :shocked


And anyone wants to vote for this maniac?
 

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4618 on: November 1, 2012, 04:20:10 pm »
Religious zealot, potentially with nuclear football, who believes that there is going to be a end-of-times holy war centered on the middle east and his church has a key role to play.   :shocked


And anyone wants to vote for this maniac?

Sorry, what was the original link? I can't access it.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4619 on: November 1, 2012, 04:29:26 pm »
Sorry, what was the original link? I can't access it.

Is the YouTube link litliper posted above. Is Romney talking about the Mormon prophesies about the war in Iarael that brings about the second coming of JEEYsSuS

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4620 on: November 1, 2012, 04:32:19 pm »
My only regret is that that video doesn't involve any attractive women, which would have allowed me to say "I'd like to split her Mount of Olives" and feel high-larious.

One thing's for sure: this election day is going to be one of the most interesting in recent memory (which in no way means that I won't be insanely happy when it's over). Can anyone else remember a time when the national polls and state polls clashed this much? I've said it before: my ideal result here is a Romney popular vote win and an Obama EC win. That'll make one screwing by the EC of each party within a 12-year-span, and might actually lead to a reform of our ridiculous electoral system.

Plus, Obama can pull a Bush/Cheney and see a popular vote loss and narrow EC victory as a mandate!

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4621 on: November 1, 2012, 04:35:33 pm »
Plus, Obama can pull a Bush/Cheney and see a popular vote loss and narrow EC victory as a mandate!

Easier to do that with a majority in the House

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4622 on: November 1, 2012, 04:38:11 pm »
Is the YouTube link litliper posted above. Is Romney talking about the Mormon prophesies about the war in Iarael that brings about the second coming of JEEYsSuS

Thanks, can't access it at work. Is this what he means by 'kicking the can down the road'?

Is this a video that's only just come out? Just wondering if it will cause any controversy.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4623 on: November 1, 2012, 04:39:29 pm »
Obama’s 284 Drone Strikes in Pakistan

Shocking stuff.  Not that there's any chance or hope of a change here..

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4624 on: November 1, 2012, 04:42:12 pm »
Obama’s 284 Drone Strikes in Pakistan

Shocking stuff.  Not that there's any chance or hope of a change here..

He did change it, would troops on the ground be any better?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4625 on: November 1, 2012, 04:43:44 pm »
Easier to do that with a majority in the House

...and a 90% approval rating post 9/11.

Most of the analysis that I've read is saying it's more likely that either the state or national polls are wrong, not that they are both right. The more popular view seems to be that the state polls will prove to be more accurate and that Obama will scrape a narrow popular vote win. Every major analyst plus the bookmakers are giving Obama the edge, although the recent backlash against Nate Silver proves that a lot of people still don't understand the concept of probabilities.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4626 on: November 1, 2012, 04:44:38 pm »
He did change it, would troops on the ground be any better?

I was thinking that neither would be better, actually.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4627 on: November 1, 2012, 04:51:54 pm »
I was thinking that neither would be better, actually.

Since that's not an option right now, drones is the best choice.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4628 on: November 1, 2012, 04:53:43 pm »
I was thinking that neither would be better, actually.

May be you should sign up on the dotted line and face the taliban - we can stop using drones then.   ;)
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4629 on: November 1, 2012, 04:54:49 pm »
Since that's not an option right now

Why not?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4630 on: November 1, 2012, 04:57:24 pm »
Since that's not an option right now, drones is the best choice.

You mean because Obama and Mitt both love killing civil...erm..."militants" with drones?  I suppose you're right.  There's definitely no other option, especially not one that that involves not doing it.  We absoultely have to kill people.   ::)

I bet the Nobel Committee is awfully proud of itself.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4631 on: November 1, 2012, 04:58:31 pm »
He did change it, would troops on the ground be any better?
three times as many american soldiers have died in Afghanistan under Obama's 4 years than Bush's 8 years
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4632 on: November 1, 2012, 04:59:45 pm »
The drone strikes issue is probably my #1 concern with the Obama administration, but to suggest that the Republicans would do any different or any better is just plain silly.
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« Reply #4633 on: November 1, 2012, 05:01:50 pm »
The drone strikes issue is probably my #1 concern with the Obama administration, but to suggest that the Republicans would do any different or any better is just plain silly.

Not that there's any chance or hope of a change here..
You mean because Obama and Mitt both love killing civil...erm..."militants" with drones?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4634 on: November 1, 2012, 05:03:19 pm »
three times as many american soldiers have died in Afghanistan under Obama's 4 years than Bush's 8 years

You know, I'm quite sure that has something to do with the fact that the great Bush gave up on finding Osama to finish what his daddy started.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4635 on: November 1, 2012, 05:03:37 pm »
May be you should sign up on the dotted line and face the taliban - we can stop using drones then.   ;)

If you think there's a reason that we should be killing people over there, after you.  Don't be upset if I don't follow you into the breach though.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4636 on: November 1, 2012, 05:04:07 pm »
three times as many american soldiers have died in Afghanistan under Obama's 4 years than Bush's 8 years

Didn't Bush basically abandon Afghanistan for a long period of time to focus on Iraq, long before it was stablised. Thus screwing up the war in the first place by letting the Taliban survive, and also meaning casualties were shifted to Obama's term as the insurgency grew and prospered.

How many were lost in Iraq, in Dubya's war to save us from "WMDs"? Mission accomplished indeed.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4637 on: November 1, 2012, 05:05:06 pm »
Why not?

Because combat operations haven't ended.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4638 on: November 1, 2012, 05:05:06 pm »
You know, I'm quite sure that has something to do with the fact that the great Bush gave up on finding Osama to finish what his daddy started.
Or maybe obama is an incompetent commander in chief.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2012: Obama V Romney
« Reply #4639 on: November 1, 2012, 05:05:15 pm »
I wasn't knocking you H_C. I was just stating that the Republicans would not be better and would probably be worst.  Something that some libertarians seem to forget when bringing up the drones to knock Obama.
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