Topic: Jordan Henderson

[The G in Gerrard]

I like Henderson, think given time and alongside a good CM in Lucas we could have a very good partnership in the coming years

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Absolutely laughable people claiming Adam has had a better season than Henderson. Laughable.

Adam has performed below his Blackpool standard. Been woeful since December. Henderson, while dippy and liable to drift in and out of games, actually understands pass and move. Charlie Adam can barely even do the latter, and his passing/set pieces have been nowehere near their expected quality.

Also, it's obvious Henderson has much much more potential.

I'd even try Gerrard out on the right and JH and LL in CM next year maybe.

Rafa said Gerrard would need to move further forward as his career draws to a close. Why we've persisted in having him in the Alonso position I do not know. Too deep to make any kind of impact.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

Rafa said Gerrard would need to move further forward as his career draws to a close. Why we've persisted in having him in the Alonso position I do not know. Too deep to make any kind of impact.

Forward? Source mate?

You don't play forward as you get older and lose your dynamism, you go further back usually.

[sattapaartridge]

Unfortunately, statistically, Adam has had more assists and goals than Henderson has, so the statisticians would say, Henderson has been gash because he's not been involved enough in goals.....

.....but overall, who has?

Centrally, I've liked what I've seen from Jordan, he's good two good feet, decent pace, good energy/engine. I'd just like to see him develop a tackle, because he seems to lack balls (like so many others!)

[Quintet]

Absolutely laughable people claiming Adam has had a better season than Henderson. Laughable.

Adam has performed below his Blackpool standard. Been woeful since December. Henderson, while dippy and liable to drift in and out of games, actually understands pass and move. Charlie Adam can barely even do the latter, and his passing/set pieces have been nowehere near their expected quality.

Also, it's obvious Henderson has much much more potential.

I'd even try Gerrard out on the right and JH and LL in CM next year maybe.

Rafa said Gerrard would need to move further forward as his career draws to a close. Why we've persisted in having him in the Alonso position I do not know. Too deep to make any kind of impact.

Henderson and Adam have both had poor seasons, the difference is you can see Henderson has potential

[anfieldanfield]

Young player, no issues with the poor form/mistakes he makes. Most of the sensible people will give him time, just like what some of us did with Lucas.

We need to be really careful we don't overuse this.

For every 'Lucas' whose development between the age of 22-24 was exceptional, there are about 10 players who find their level at 22/23 and never really improve much.

[Camarero25]

Hendo   Spearing

     Gerrard

Is what I'd be playing until the end of this season, with Shelvey deputising for Gerrard when he's not fit/ needs a rest. I think I've had just about all I can take of Charlie Adam, to be honest.

[Endoe]

I'd wouldn't bother with Spearing, don't think he has a future at Liverpool. Would much rather see Henderson play centrally position with instructions to defend/ protect the back four, also like to see Shelvey play alot more, we did recall him after Lucas got injured, he played a couple of games and hasn't been seen. I do wonder sometimes if theres a longterm plan, because, I'm not seeing it at the moment. Top 4 is gone, we're in Europe via Europa, get games into the young players that have futures at the club. Perhaps, it's a something Henderson could add to his game, because his not a right mid/ winger, that's for sure.

[Quintet]

Hendo   Spearing

     Gerrard

Is what I'd be playing until the end of this season, with Shelvey deputising for Gerrard when he's not fit/ needs a rest. I think I've had just about all I can take of Charlie Adam, to be honest.

Totally agree with this. My thoughts exactly.

[Adeemo]

Forward? Source mate?

You don't play forward as you get older and lose your dynamism, you go further back usually.

I thought it was well known that Rafa held that opinion of Gerrard? "Dynamism?" Would you say Bergkamp was a dynamic forward? I know he certainly was with the ball but wasn't in an athletic sense. I think that's the kind of role Rafa maybe had in mind.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Henderson is quality. When he's matured he'll be a great player for us. Not sure why he gets so much stick. He clearly is one for the future.

[HarleyKewell7]

Henderson is quality. When he's matured he'll be a great player for us. Not sure why he gets so much stick. He clearly is one for the future.

Have to agree. Whilst he's not shown anything amazing so far, which is probably the reason people are getting on his back, he's definitely got something about him and I wouldn't always be the first to see that in a player.

[Quintet]

Henderson is quality. When he's matured he'll be a great player for us. Not sure why he gets so much stick. He clearly is one for the future.

So you agree he shouldn't really be in the first 11 next season.

[Renato]

 

So you agree he shouldn't really be in the first 11 next season.

How have you got that from what was said in the post?

[didi]

wish he would stop spouting rubbish to the press about how we can still get 4th

[Quintet]

How have you got that from what was said in the post?

That 'hes one for the future', and at the moment isn't good enough to be in the first 11

[The 5th Benitle]

That 'hes one for the future', and at the moment isn't good enough to be in the first 11

So next season is not in the future? Now I'm really confused.

[redprodigal]

Henderson is quality. When he's matured he'll be a great player for us. Not sure why he gets so much stick. He clearly is one for the future.

He may or may not be one for the future but I don't understand where you get those first 2 sentences from.
He hasn't shown any quality yet which makes me think he's gonna be great.

[Stag Beetle]

Henderson's strengths are:

- patience: he has no problem recycling possession and moving until the right pass is on.

- through balls: he's played some excellent through balls this season that are often perfectly weighted.

- work rate: he's very fit and works hard to close down opposition players.


His weaknesses are:

- lack of confidence: he probably recycles possession too much, 'playing it safe' a lot of the time for fear of giving away possession. Confidence will hopefully come as he matures.

- unclear position: no one seems to know where he plays. He seems to have played right midfield for Sunderland, but for us he's always excelled centrally. For England U21 he tends to play a deep midfield position. Nothing wrong with versatility but it helps (especially at a young age) to have a clear role in the team.

I think Henderson has been overplayed - he's only 21 and midfielders who don't rely on pace tend to peak a lot later in their careers, often around 30.

[Garcepticon]

Henderson is quality. When he's matured he'll be a great player for us. Not sure why he gets so much stick. He clearly is one for the future.

He gets stick because he doesn't offer any obvious plus to the team. He quietly does things well, understandably he doesn't take the initiative in attacks yet as it is only his first year at the club so all people see is a lot of running but no assists or goals. I think he'd be praised universally if he was playing in the centre with Lucas or Spearing, but Adam has that position locked down.

[lorenzo23]

Let's but this rubbish to bed.

Henderson has played on the right many, many times. It's a position he started off in and played a lot there for Sunderland.

So don't give me this he isn't familar on the right rubbish. It's a poor agruement.

Henderson would do no better in the centre.

Playing right side of 3 is different than playing right side of 4 you know this rite?

[Sangria]

He may or may not be one for the future but I don't understand where you get those first 2 sentences from.
He hasn't shown any quality yet which makes me think he's gonna be great.

He has the qualities which can easily fit into a team that we can progressively build on. Good technique, good intelligence, good physical qualities, good attitude. The better the team gets, the better he will get. There isn't a low ceiling with these types of players.

[WorldChampions]

Can't wait for next season. I think a CM consisting of Lucas and Henderson would be pretty good. They can work shorts passes through the middle and have good engines.

Adam's hollywood balls out to the wing look nice, but it's no use when it takes him an age to catch up with it.

[Adeemo]

Can't wait for next season. I think a CM consisting of Lucas and Henderson would be pretty good. They can work shorts passes through the middle and have good engines.

If we don't sign another CM, it's got to be the way forward IMO. Though as far as I'm concerned another DM is essential to help ease the work load for Lucas and help his rehabilitation.

[Quintet]

So next season is not in the future? Now I'm really confused.

Tomorrow is the future too, but he isn't going to be ready for that and IMO he isn't going to be ready to start next season either.

[myrlas]

Absolutely.

But then you also need Spearing in there given that Henderson doesnt tackle and Adam cant.

And where does that leave Gerrard?

So Spearing can join in with his massive two tackles, and no interceptions per game? Adam is a much better player to win back the ball than Spearing will ever be.

[MassDriver]

Do you play football Massdriver? Serious question. If you don't know the value of a player who naturally moves the ball one touch, you maybe haven't played enough football. That's not a put down - the ball just moves quicker than any of the people on the park.

Some players will never learn how to do that cos they don't play with their head up for whatever reason. Sadly it seems Adam has that about him - I didn't realise he did. But with experience you can go the other way and learn when to slow things down or carry it to commit defenders.

Looks like you either did not get the point I was trying to make or are deliberately trying to obscure it. 

I know a player who understands tempo is a much more valuable than one who looks to release the ball like a hot potato immediately as he receives it.  That is what separates the likes of Xavi , Xabi Alonso , Schweinsteiger etc from the rest. I don't expect Henderson to come anywhere close to the level of the players I mentioned , but I do expect more than just short passing and release of the ball , especially when you've been brought in to play in mostly an attacking support role(as opposed to the case of Lucas) for an eye watering sum of close to 20 million pounds and after 2 seasons in the PL playing for an established midtable side.  I expect more than just running around like headless chicken , chasing the ball , only to release it with safe pass after pass once in possession.

I have not played football to a 'high' level as you but you don't need to have played football to understand that.

[tyrolean_red]

Even though he maybe hasn't contributed that much to the team so far...I just want all the people spouting negative shit about him about someone called Lucas Leiva. He was nowhere near good enough when we signed, but we didn't sign to be an instant succes. Jordan is in many ways similar to Lucas. He seems to be a very smart and a role model. He's very professional and works hard. Lucas was the same, and look what a few years and patience can do. I can't wait to prove all the doubters wrong in a few years.

[MassDriver]

Even though he maybe hasn't contributed that much to the team so far...I just want all the people spouting negative shit about him about someone called Lucas Leiva. He was nowhere near good enough when we signed, but we didn't sign to be an instant succes. Jordan is in many ways similar to Lucas. He seems to be a very smart and a role model. He's very professional and works hard. Lucas was the same, and look what a few years and patience can do. I can't wait to prove all the doubters wrong in a few years.

Just because Lucas Leiva came good doesn't mean every young player in his 20s with a competent short passing game and not much else will do the same. Lucas showed the signs of what he was capable of even when he was being criticized in all quarters. His role demanded him to play it 'safe' and retain the ball most of the time.

Henderson , on the other hand , plays mostly as an RM or an attack minded CM , both positions which need more than just ball retention and finding a teammate with a 5 yard pass.

[Mutton Geoff]

Henderson is quality. When he's matured he'll be a great player for us. Not sure why he gets so much stick. He clearly is one for the future.

Yes correct every-time I see him play you can see that he will be a special player for us. He gets so much stick because we bought him in the summer and he is British that can be the only reason, certainly he has done well for his first season with us.

Edit somebody tell massdriver 20 mill is the Sky OTT lying cost for him, as for his three selective choices two out of three are ok, guess he doesn't watch the Bundesliga much?

[MassDriver]

Yes correct every-time I see him play you can see that he will be a special player for us. He gets so much stick because we bought him in the summer and he is British that can be the only reason, certainly he has done well for his first season with us.

Your rants are quality , mate.  Comic relief from all the shite in this thread.

[Mutton Geoff]

Your rants are quality , mate.  Comic relief from all the shite in this thread.

Look above mate just corrected your maths as well, and added a bit just for you, as for your posts not going to read them much longer, boring doesn't come close!

Never mistake a rant for logic, that's if you recognise logic?

[MassDriver]

Look above mate just corrected your maths as well, and added a bit just for you, as for your posts not going to read them much longer, boring doesn't come close!

Never mistake a rant for logic, that's if you recognise logic?

 

Logic..? What's that?

[Mutton Geoff]

Logic..? What's that?

ah I was right then

[rafathegaffa83]

Ball circulation and retention are two of the most important things we need for our game and Henderson delivers that well. Judge him in 2-3 seasons time. He'll never be the most flashy player, but he's tidy, consistent and efficient.

[ChristophLFC]

Henderson's strengths are:

- patience: he has no problem recycling possession and moving until the right pass is on.

- through balls: he's played some excellent through balls this season that are often perfectly weighted.

- work rate: he's very fit and works hard to close down opposition players.


His weaknesses are:

- lack of confidence: he probably recycles possession too much, 'playing it safe' a lot of the time for fear of giving away possession. Confidence will hopefully come as he matures.

- unclear position: no one seems to know where he plays. He seems to have played right midfield for Sunderland, but for us he's always excelled centrally. For England U21 he tends to play a deep midfield position. Nothing wrong with versatility but it helps (especially at a young age) to have a clear role in the team.

I think Henderson has been overplayed - he's only 21 and midfielders who don't rely on pace tend to peak a lot later in their careers, often around 30.

can add tackling to his weakness, i would love to see his tackling stats for the season

[cob]

Ball circulation and retention are two of the most important things we need for our game and Henderson delivers that well. Judge him in 2-3 seasons time. He'll never be the most flashy player, but he's tidy, consistent and efficient.

Well put lad. I really like Henderson but he deffo needs to play in the middle as appose to out wide.
He is a young lad that will come on leaps and bounds under Kenny and his team no doubt.

[Hazell]

Ball circulation and retention are two of the most important things we need for our game and Henderson delivers that well. Judge him in 2-3 seasons time. He'll never be the most flashy player, but he's tidy, consistent and efficient.

Those kind of attributes are difficult to measure and almost unquantifiable hence the issue some people have with those types of players. It's why Lucas got stick when he first arrived but there are other players it can be applied to. Not comparing him to Xavi in terms of quality but it's the kind thing which led to the headline 'The best players in the World, and Xavi'.

[Stag Beetle]

can add tackling to his weakness, i would love to see his tackling stats for the season

Fair point, but I think as long as he isn't playing the Lucas position, intelligent closing down and pressuring the opposition is usually sufficient. Whether he does that is another matter.

[mickeydocs]

I have no doubts that Henderson will become a top notch player. He is struggling with consistency and is clearly better at home at this moment in time. Can't wait to see how he develops.