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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39560 on: February 3, 2020, 06:15:25 pm »
I wonder who provoked Klopp into not losing a two legged European tie since he has been here. Klopp is not a coach who goes away from home looking to get a point. He does everything in his power to win every game in the League and Champions league. Most coaches would be quite happy to reach a couple of European finals. Klopp used losing those finals as fuel to create our monster mentality.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39561 on: February 3, 2020, 06:15:59 pm »
I’m sorry but
Are you really? I doubt it, but anyway...

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this is wilfully ignoring the points we are making and it’s quite tedious if I’m honest.
What exactly is it willfully ignoring?

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Klopp’s excellence is there for all to see. He is a wonderful coach. I regard him as the best in the world and one of the most influential of the last 30 years.
And yet you think he is incapable of amassing 97 and 100+ points without being pushed by Guardiola? You keep on supporting, there!

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I just also happen to think that Guardiola’s arrival in England has changed the objectives for winning the league - you now pretty much need ten more points than you did previously. Saying this is not a slight on Klopp - it’s actually celebrating the fact that he has managed to achieve it on two occasions. Maybe Klopp would have done this anyway, what he’s currently doing is completely unprecedented so there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t, but it remains a hypothetical while Guardiola is here because we know that 97 points didn’t win it last season and we still currently need 91 points to win it this year.
Though it's you who has credited Pep for it...

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. There is something quite grim about people not accepting any praise for Guardiola though, like I can’t admire the work of both managers because I’m a Liverpool supporter? Or I can’t say Pep and Klopp have elevated each other? Behave! I’m just speaking objectively, there’s no need to misrepresent that.
Nobody is not accepting Guardiola's quality and talent; this is a point about Klopp. Could he, or could he not, and would he, or would he not, achieve the levels he has without being pushed into doing so by another manager. If you think he can, as you seem now to be saying, why are you in such a hurry to give the credit to someone else?
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39562 on: February 3, 2020, 06:17:14 pm »
It’s also perplexing how City and other clubs fans are missing the most obvious thing when talking about why exactly have we steamrolled everyone this season. One word - Kiev.

Want to understand how Liverpool propelled themselves into a relentless point collecting machine? We got our hearts properly broken and used it as fuel. What’s that? Where’s the evidence? Kiev. That’s where it all started. Both off and on the pitch, our resolve, ruthlessnes and grit went to another level after Kiev. We knew we can go high and we also knew how bloody perfect we need to be.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39563 on: February 3, 2020, 06:20:12 pm »
WTF would you pay a bot?
Bot coin? ;D
Seriously though, you can pay for bot farms to propagate your ideas. The Tories and their mates in the UKIP groupings spent a fortune on bots and bot farms in the run up to the elections. Most of the UKIP social media presence was composed of fake tweets and Facebook posts.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39564 on: February 3, 2020, 06:22:52 pm »
The fact that last season they had no humility whatsoever makes this season all the sweeter.

Do not forget the City players singing anti-Liverpool songs on their private jet, making light of 'scousers battered in the streets' or whatever shite that song was about.

Kyle Walker with his arrogant 'they thought they were gonna go 7 points clear' tweet.

You can 100% guarantee that that sort of arrogant gloating behaviour just wouldn't happen in our squad. Can you imagine Mane, Henderson, Trent, Bobby etc singing pathetic songs mocking Man City? Don't think so.

Could you see one of our players tweeting some childish thing about 22 points? No.

This is pure karma for City, their players, fans and manager.
I've lived long enough and I've seen enough over the years to know that you mess with karma at your peril. Eventually, you really do get back what you give.

This shower of arrogant, classless shite without a shred of dignity and humility are now starting to reap what they've sown.

As far as the behaviour of their team and staff are concerned, Klopp, his players and his staff are far too professional to act like Abu Dhabi did last season. They were a shambolic disgrace, and the most classless, graceless 'champions' this country has had the misfortune to see.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39565 on: February 3, 2020, 06:23:13 pm »
This thread has gone a bit bonkers  ;D

Pretty sure most people know Guardiola is a really excellent coach. A lot of what gets said is to rip the shit out of him - a lot of that he brings upon himself to be honest. Doesn't mean the realisaton isn't there that he is great at what he does.  People don't really need the fact shoved down their throat by people desperate to appear objective. Most can differentiate between piss taking and seriousness.

What can be said though, is he doesn't really react well to pressure. He didn't in Spain, and he hasn't here. That doesn't diminish his talents at coaching. Yes he did great last year being pushed all the way by Liverpool, but I think his response to it all raises a few questions. Unlike Liverpool, City are not mentality monsters. And that sort of attitude trickles down from the coach.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39566 on: February 3, 2020, 06:27:18 pm »
Maybe it was united that had the deal with the devil and they asked for us to go longer without winning the league than their 26 years, that deal has now run out and normal service is being resumed including them going another 26 years before their next one.   ;D

Didnt they go 52 years without a title in their history before?

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39567 on: February 3, 2020, 06:28:17 pm »
I'll never understand their recruitment this past summer. I put very little weight into the argument regarding Laporte's injury, mainly because it was down to poor recruitment rather than luck in the injury department. Most people would have looked at their squad at the end of last season after Kompany left and recognized that he needed replacing. Instead, they spent close to £100m on Cancelo, who they have barely used and wasn't really a need, and Rodrigo, who they could have waited until this summer to purchase.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39568 on: February 3, 2020, 06:37:37 pm »
The Times is talking about City buying two new centre backs in the summer, how much have they already spent on that position?  :o  Also, an attacking playing should Sane leave in the summer.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39569 on: February 3, 2020, 06:41:44 pm »
It’s also perplexing how City and other clubs fans are missing the most obvious thing when talking about why exactly have we steamrolled everyone this season. One word - Kiev.

Want to understand how Liverpool propelled themselves into a relentless point collecting machine? We got our hearts properly broken and used it as fuel. What’s that? Where’s the evidence? Kiev. That’s where it all started. Both off and on the pitch, our resolve, ruthlessnes and grit went to another level after Kiev. We knew we can go high and we also knew how bloody perfect we need to be.

Someone posted the highlights of Liverpool v Ipswich 1972 in another thread. Those of us around then will remember the heartache of losing the cup final to a double winning Arsenal, and that forged a stronger team belief. That 72 season we went on a phenomenal run onwards the end of the season and missed out on the league by a whisker, coming up fast on the rails. (Watch the clip and listen to the stats at the end) We were let down by some dubious refereeing at our last two games, both away. Pat Partridge disallowed a goal which would have won it for us away at Arsenal in the final game, calling a Toshack goal offside, (which IIRC the linesman didn’t flag?). Instead of bleating on about it, the team rolled up its sleeves and crushed the league the next year, winning the UEFA cup as well. The fans knew we were on a roll and the team was young enough, yet with a steel core of experience to start domination. Cally, Lawler and Smith were the old heads of Shanks’ first great side. Heighway Keegan Hughes and Clemence were world class youngsters with many years ahead of them.
I strongly recommend anyone under 50 watches that footage. Heighway repeatedly making England full back Mick Mills look like a traffic cone. Keegan battling grocks of centre-halves, refusing to be bullied, Hughes and Smith steaming in to let the grocks know we were a team who didn’t want to lose.  Counter pressing and harrying and lightning counters. The shirts are red and the style is reminiscent of what we are seeing today.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39570 on: February 3, 2020, 06:42:35 pm »
The Times is talking about City buying two new centre backs in the summer, how much have they already spent on that position?  :o  Also, an attacking playing should Sane leave in the summer.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39571 on: February 3, 2020, 06:50:50 pm »
wish these pricks ended outside of Top 4 but that's probably asking too much at this point.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39572 on: February 3, 2020, 07:00:07 pm »
They can't spend a fortune because they're under FFP scrutiny. There is a ruling at the end of the season by UEFA.  Unless they just flout the laws again. Selling Sane will raise money they can offset for two CBs if that's what they're going to do.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39573 on: February 3, 2020, 07:05:06 pm »
Something Klopp has proven beyond all doubt with this Liverpool machine he has built, is that at the elite level psychology is everything. Ferguson understood this better than almost anyone, that's how that Manc team kept winning after Ronaldo left even though it was technically substandard. On paper there isn't much between City and us, but between the ears we are on a different planet.

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The right psychology is absolutely crucial, particularly when the margins between success and failure are wafer thin. The right mindset can get you through against really high odds. I learned this in a most harrowing way actually. Through reading books by Primo Levi and Viktor Frankl. Both survived Auschwitz. Frankl noticed that of those who escaped the selection process, those who survived tended to stay positive and focused on what they would do once they got out. Those who mentally gave up seemed to succumb to sickness and death soon afterwards. It seemed that even against unimaginable odds and in the face of unbearable horror, mindset still made a difference.

Now I realise that the scenario there is far removed from 22 millionaires kicking a bag of wind around a field, but the importance of mentality is the same regardless. Facts are, in every challenge in life, big or small, mentality can make a big difference to the eventual outcome.

From what I can see, Klopp has instilled the correct mentality into our entire club. On the other hand, the psychology over at the Emptyhad seems all wrong. Far too much entitlement. Far too much blame on externals when things go wrong. When you behave like that, you take your eye off the task at hand. It's so clear that their manager has been badly rattled by Liverpool, and that's transmitted itself through to the players and fanbase too. It's all paranoia and conspiracy theories, but the reality is they've lost focus. Their mentality is all wrong and, as good as he is, I blame Guardiola for that. He's the rudder that steers the ship. He's the captain of that ship. Problem is, he's lost his marbles, and his team have followed suit. The fanbase, with their already fragile mentality, have basically lost all sense of reality and most are in need of a straight jacket and a padded cell these days.

In the physical sense, as in points on the board, we ran them ragged last season. They were utterly shattered and lucky to get over the line, but on a psychological level we beat them hands down. We broke them. How they dealt with that in a psychological way would be crucial to how this season panned out. They handled it so poorly, and as soon as they realised they were in a major fight again this season they lost their heads.

This is the problem with success that's handed to you on a plate. It's like having the answer to a sum but not knowing how to do the working out. You've not gone through the learning process, so you are not as clever as you think you are. When pressured, if you don't know how to do the working out, you won't get the next sum right. We learned to work things out via losing finals to Sevilla and Madrid and also the title to that lot. We kept our heads and remained focused. Its that mentality that's been drilled into everyone at the club that sees us where we are today.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39574 on: February 3, 2020, 07:17:13 pm »
Real Madrid will dump them out and their season in the competitions that matter will be over by March
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39575 on: February 3, 2020, 07:17:52 pm »
It would be interesting if next season City will be capable of presenting the same type of challenge as last season. Now they had a few injuries, they lack in some departments (hard to believe considering the resources at their disposal), but the pressure from our excellent start was too immense for them. As Dim Glas said, Pep doesn't react too well to pressure. But next season they will have to rebuild, which may be too much of a change for them. City has quality and will buy quality, and Pep is a good coach indeed. But a bit of an uncertain start for them can see us running away from them again. And if he doesn't win the League next season, he may be off. Talk about pressure...
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39576 on: February 3, 2020, 07:23:13 pm »
Looking forward to Pep spending money if he's still there. His buys have been shite and he has relied on Aguero, Kompany etc. i.e the old guard.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39577 on: February 3, 2020, 07:26:17 pm »
It would be interesting if next season City will be capable of presenting the same type of challenge as last season. Now they had a few injuries, they lack in some departments (hard to believe considering the resources at their disposal), but the pressure from our excellent start was too immense for them. As Dim Glas said, Pep doesn't react too well to pressure. But next season they will have to rebuild, which may be too much of a change for them. City has quality and will buy quality, and Pep is a good coach indeed. But a bit of an uncertain start for them can see us running away from them again. And if he doesn't win the League next season, he may be off. Talk about pressure...

But losing by 20 over points is unprecedented by Pep.  He was winning with Bayern way before the season ended. In Barcelona, even when he didn't win the league he was a close second.

This is humiliation for him after spanking 120m on Rodri and Cancelo to consolidate his position this season.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39578 on: February 3, 2020, 07:30:28 pm »
What a vile franchise, full of vile players, supported by mainly vile fans. I cant see many of their mercenaries, knowing deep down that what they have accomplished will ever be recognised.

Their wage slips will compensate, both of them per week, but is it worth it? Aguero and Silva will not be remembered alongside the greats when they have retired.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39579 on: February 3, 2020, 07:33:14 pm »
Bot coin? ;D
Seriously though, you can pay for bot farms to propagate your ideas. The Tories and their mates in the UKIP groupings spent a fortune on bots and bot farms in the run up to the elections. Most of the UKIP social media presence was composed of fake tweets and Facebook posts.
It would not surprise me if AD don’t actually own the odd bot farm or two, given the propaganda war in the Middle East.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39580 on: February 3, 2020, 07:33:28 pm »
But losing by 20 over points is unprecedented by Pep.  He was winning with Bayern way before the season ended. In Barcelona, even when he didn't win the league he was a close second.

This is humiliation for him after spanking 120m on Rodri and Cancelo to consolidate his position this season.

Not forgetting the huge progression of his £500m asset in Foden!!!
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39581 on: February 3, 2020, 07:34:34 pm »
Every team aims for 114 points at the start of the season. Klopp and Liverpool aren't aiming for more points because of City.

One game at a time, as Klopp says.

Hodgson teams don’t.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39582 on: February 3, 2020, 07:36:13 pm »
To be fair, I completely agree with you. It felt as though last season took an awful lot out of City and the perception seemed to be that us breaking 90 points was a one-off. I think once they’ve realised we’re not only not going anywhere but have somehow managed to improve, it was bad news for them.

I think us going to our second CL Final AND breaking the 90 points did for them. Our grit and determination to wipe out the defeat in Kiev showed them that we would be equally relentless in the League this season.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39584 on: February 3, 2020, 07:46:07 pm »
It’s also perplexing how City and other clubs fans are missing the most obvious thing when talking about why exactly have we steamrolled everyone this season. One word - Kiev.

Want to understand how Liverpool propelled themselves into a relentless point collecting machine? We got our hearts properly broken and used it as fuel. What’s that? Where’s the evidence? Kiev. That’s where it all started. Both off and on the pitch, our resolve, ruthlessnes and grit went to another level after Kiev. We knew we can go high and we also knew how bloody perfect we need to be.
Yep. That's also where the need for Fabinho or that type and caliber of player in midfield was really born or became obvious at least. Someone to boss world-class midfields and complete our own midfield.

I wrote about it that Summer and with his arrival, I predicted a move away from counter-attacking, gegenpressing football to a more controlled and possession-based football and it turned out that way. It became clear to me during and after that final that this was unsustainable. That we needed control and possession and a way to grind out wins because we will always face a Madrid type in any final.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39585 on: February 3, 2020, 07:50:25 pm »
I've lived long enough and I've seen enough over the years to know that you mess with karma at your peril. Eventually, you really do get back what you give.

This shower of arrogant, classless shite without a shred of dignity and humility are now starting to reap what they've sown.

As far as the behaviour of their team and staff are concerned, Klopp, his players and his staff are far too professional to act like Abu Dhabi did last season. They were a shambolic disgrace, and the most classless, graceless 'champions' this country has had the misfortune to see.

I saw first hand who pathetic they are when my youngest was at Citys academy. He trained at the Campus, in the main building, on the first teams indoor pitch. All around the rest of the complex are full sized pitches the youth teams train and play on. In May 2018 they names a pitch after Yaya Toure



A month later, Toure was in the papers criticising Cardiola and Citys response was to cover up the mural with a large piece of cloth, remove the name plate and then rename the pitch.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39586 on: February 3, 2020, 07:52:15 pm »
But losing by 20 over points is unprecedented by Pep.  He was winning with Bayern way before the season ended. In Barcelona, even when he didn't win the league he was a close second.

This is humiliation for him after spanking 120m on Rodri and Cancelo to consolidate his position this season.
True. But Bayern always wins and Barca too to an extent, unless it's Madrid. Exceptions to those are extremely rare. After Rafa's Valencia 16 years ago, only Atleti broke the Barca/Madrid domination once. Since Klopp's Dortmund, no team has beaten Bayern to the title. The Premier League was already different in that aspect before Pep came to City - they were a force before but shared the power with Chelsea and United (Leicester was a fluke, I reckon).

I think that the large point gap between us doesn't tell the full story. Pep's players lost hope way back in December. They have the capacity of mounting a challenge, but have no mentality to do so. We totally crushed them. That's why I think that we won the title right after the Club World Cup game when we beat Leicester. Surely Pep thought that too, and that transferred to his players. The point gap is immaterial at that point. They will finish 2nd be it by 30 or 5 points; why does that make a difference? At some interview back then, I recall that he said that his goal was to get 2nd place off Leicester, and that was indeed his mentality. Hence, no mentality monsters in his team.
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« Reply #39587 on: February 3, 2020, 07:55:25 pm »
True. But Bayern always wins and Barca too to an extent, unless it's Madrid. Exceptions to those are extremely rare. After Rafa's Valencia 16 years ago, only Atleti broke the Barca/Madrid domination once. Since Klopp's Dortmund, no team has beaten Bayern to the title. The Premier League was already different in that aspect before Pep came to City - they were a force before but shared the power with Chelsea and United (Leicester was a fluke, I reckon).

I think that the large point gap between us doesn't tell the full story. Pep's players lost hope way back in December. They have the capacity of mounting a challenge, but have no mentality to do so. We totally crushed them. That's why I think that we won the title right after the Club World Cup game when we beat Leicester. Surely Pep thought that too, and that transferred to his players. The point gap is immaterial at that point. They will finish 2nd be it by 30 or 5 points; why does that make a difference? At some interview back then, I recall that he said that his goal was to get 2nd place off Leicester, and that was indeed his mentality. Hence, no mentality monsters in his team.
Yep. Contrast that with Klopp's mentality- to win each and every game. Not to end up in a specific position.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39588 on: February 3, 2020, 07:58:26 pm »
In a right battle for 2nd too, Leicester are only 2pts behind them and play them soon.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39589 on: February 3, 2020, 08:01:34 pm »
A lot has gone wrong for City this season.

Poor recruitment after losing Kompany, injuries to Laporte and Sane, some weird body language from Pep, form of players like Bernardo Silva / Sterling have fallen off a cliff plus the desire to match what they have done for 2 seasons simply isn't there.

I think we pushed them to the limit last season and you can only offer congrats when they win 14 in a row.

I genuinely believe that they thought that would stroll to title as no way we could match what we did last season again.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39590 on: February 3, 2020, 08:04:25 pm »
Every team aims for 114 points at the start of the season. Klopp and Liverpool aren't aiming for more points because of City.

One game at a time, as Klopp says.

Ridiculous. No team starts the season with the aim of going unbeaten. To be the best you can be, probably. Winning the title certainly. But going unbeaten is a vanity project. Even Arsenal only stumbled into it by accident.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39591 on: February 3, 2020, 08:28:42 pm »
Bot coin? ;D
Seriously though, you can pay for bot farms to propagate your ideas. The Tories and their mates in the UKIP groupings spent a fortune on bots and bot farms in the run up to the elections. Most of the UKIP social media presence was composed of fake tweets and Facebook posts.
It would not surprise me if AD don’t actually own the odd bot farm or two, given the propaganda war in the Middle East.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39592 on: February 3, 2020, 09:06:22 pm »
True. But Bayern always wins and Barca too to an extent, unless it's Madrid. Exceptions to those are extremely rare. After Rafa's Valencia 16 years ago, only Atleti broke the Barca/Madrid domination once. Since Klopp's Dortmund, no team has beaten Bayern to the title. The Premier League was already different in that aspect before Pep came to City - they were a force before but shared the power with Chelsea and United (Leicester was a fluke, I reckon).

I think that the large point gap between us doesn't tell the full story. Pep's players lost hope way back in December. They have the capacity of mounting a challenge, but have no mentality to do so. We totally crushed them. That's why I think that we won the title right after the Club World Cup game when we beat Leicester. Surely Pep thought that too, and that transferred to his players. The point gap is immaterial at that point. They will finish 2nd be it by 30 or 5 points; why does that make a difference? At some interview back then, I recall that he said that his goal was to get 2nd place off Leicester, and that was indeed his mentality. Hence, no mentality monsters in his team.

Don't think so.

If you lose by 30, your spirit is crushed as opposed to 5 points, which you may find some ways to be philosophical about it. Have you not seen players walking off the court with a 6-0 6-0 score?

It is not as if City has a bad squad but they have been totally run to the ground by Pep last season chasing 4 trophys. Sterling isn't even in the top 10 for assist despite having a strike force so potent.

That said, they might still win 2 this year.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39593 on: February 3, 2020, 09:07:36 pm »
I would suggest - as an attempt to mediate the crossed wires here ;) - that whilst Klopp has clearly proven he can coach a team to potentially hit a hundred points and go unbeaten, I think if he were given the choice he would much prefer not to.

The reason for my opinion is simple: Klopp knows his players are human, and these are insane levels of performance to ask of people.  That said, they clearly all have the bit between their teeth and are looking to make history now.  They didn't start the season with this intention - "one game at a time and see where we are at the end of the season" is nowhere near "let's go unbeaten the whole season".

Our lads are looking at these records and milestones for motivation, and also to better the Liverpool they were last year.  It is really up to them if they choose to carry on at this level next season, but that is not a question that can be answered now.  They certainly have the mentality to go for it though, but again they'll be looking to beat themselves, not City.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39594 on: February 3, 2020, 09:09:10 pm »
John Aldridge:

Manchester City have a phobia of Liverpool and it comes from Pep Guardiola

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-manchester-city-guardiola-phobia-17683573

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39595 on: February 3, 2020, 09:10:55 pm »
I don't think we've ever seen such a thin-skinned manager as Guardiola. Not at this level anyway.

He doesn't do banter, he doesn't do "mindgames". He's incapable of taking any form of criticism, bottling up his anger only for it to explode months, sometimes even years later.

One thing is for sure, he would never have made it at Liverpool. Imagine his face when he's handed and average budget of under £10m per window. Instead he throws a strop after his first season, demands that the gets a budget of over £200m to spend on players in one season, ends up spending over £285m and amazingly they end up winning the league. What a true pioneer he is.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39596 on: February 3, 2020, 09:23:34 pm »
Since haste quite Schorsch, but Liverpool are genuine fight pigs...

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39597 on: February 3, 2020, 09:31:30 pm »
They can't spend a fortune because they're under FFP scrutiny. There is a ruling at the end of the season by UEFA.  Unless they just flout the laws again. Selling Sane will raise money they can offset for two CBs if that's what they're going to do.

will probably shift stones and otamendi too which will free up some space, and silva is meant to be off so that’s quite a bit off the wage bills

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39598 on: February 3, 2020, 09:37:50 pm »
John Aldridge:

Manchester City have a phobia of Liverpool and it comes from Pep Guardiola

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-manchester-city-guardiola-phobia-17683573
Aldridge is right, and I said similar in a post above regarding mentality / psychology.

Guardiola has absolutely lost the plot over our relentless challenge. He is rattled, and its filtered all the way down throughout their club and fanbase. The level of focus needed is immense, but Guardiola's paranoia and tendency to blame external factors rather than himself has seen their focus fall away.

The psychology of the two clubs is very different. The psychology of the whole set-up at the Emptyhad is undermining their own efforts this season. They are more focused on Liverpool than they are their own actions. The constant blaming of outside factors ( VAR, conspiracy etc) is a losers mentality. Witness the endless malaise at Goodison for a classic example of where that mentality gets you.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #39599 on: February 3, 2020, 09:39:32 pm »
My bad, you’re not wilfully ignoring or misrepresenting anything. You’re just disagreeing with me, which is obviously fine. We’re allowed to disagree, however I would take issue with you insinuating I’m any less of a fan or supporter of Klopp just because we differ slightly on this. I’m certainly not in a hurry to give Guardiola the credit, I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, it’s been spoken of since he arrived in England and was particularly relatable to Klopp given he had already spent two seasons in the same league as Pep in Germany. All I’m saying is Klopp was probably aware of how many points Guardiola’s teams tends to amass, so would have planned accordingly for that, knowing that even a near perfect season like last with 97 points may not be enough. That’s not me turning on the manager or giving the credit to someone else, don’t really understand where the energy is coming from on this one.
I get what you're saying and there's sense to it but, and I don't want to belabour the point, the essence of my response is that we can't prove that Klopp's gargantuan achievements these last two seasons were/are a direct response to Guardiola upping the ante; it's possible, but we can't know because we can't rerun the seasons having abstracted Pep first. So given that we can't demonstrate it, and given what we know about Klopp and his team and the players, I'd rather give the credit to our coach, coaching team and players and err on the side of saying they would have achieved those levels anyway.

Put it another way, Guardiola came into the PL and had an indifferent first season and then his team exploded to reach levels never before seen. Yet no-one is putting that down to him reacting against Klopp or Mourinho or Leicester's title win etc. For better (his coaching ability) or for worse (City's financial doping) the causal factors are adjudged to be City themselves. If we can do that for Pep and City, why not for Klopp and Liverpool?

Anyway, it's all cool. Just a robust discussion.
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