Topic: Jose Manuel Reina

[Armand9]

The story is already forgotten. Nowhere in mainstream press now. Just keep quiet and all is well again,

Do you include the BBC's main football page as mainstrem press?

[doc_antonio]

That shouldn't have to be the case though. Let's all ignore this and it will go away is a large part of why racism is so rife in the first place!!!

... but its a nothing story..

[Red Being]

what.a.fucking.joke.
the only thing we can do is to ignore the media.i dont think we are doing that exactly.we go on discussing the media created crap continuously.which is what they want.

[shelovesyou]

This is my first post having popped in to read the various posts over the last few years, this is the first time I feel moved to post something.
Having watched the ad last night and again this morning, I can see why OBV and Simon Wooley have taken offence. As a black man I take offence. If people feel there is no racial overtones there then a great deal of  naivety going on or denial. The question I asking myself there are only one 'non white' set of characters in the ad and they are in a stereotypical setting and displayed manner which has been used over and over again in countless films dramas over the years etc.
I'm no great supporter of Simon Wooley, however I respect what he and OBV do, I read an earlier post saying BME groups were over represented at the last election, I'd loved to see the link to that research to see the full transcript. From my memory there are a handful of 'black' (african and caribbean) MPs and 27 MP from BME groups, which doesn't reflect the BME population in the UK. Just because you've never heard of an organisation or heard of the work they do, doesn't mean they are unimportant, their views have no value, or what they say shouldn't be heard. OBV has been going for 15 years, with a view of greater representation of BME groups in both national, local and grassroots level politics. Also to engage the 'black' community around the power they have to affect what happens in their community to get these  issues on the  national agenda. Where I live and work I don't see the 'black' community concerns making onto the national agenda and being taken seriously, so from where I sit OBV is not 'obsolete'
I like many love Pepe as a keeper, however it doesn't mean he can do no wrong. It difficult because none of us were there, however I do feel some alarm bells should have rung,  to say something not right after see the final cut. I do disagree with Simon Wooley by singling Pepe out, my fire is turned to the ad exs, writer and directors who are happy for this to pass and think this is ok, again its the thinking your happy to see certain people decpited in ways without thinking how it impacts on other.
Finally I saw a post (either on here or another forum) saying the 'black' actor were happy to appear in the ad. When you know how hard it is for some 'black' actors to get any work then you'll know why they appeared, we all got to live bottom line.

I think most will respect and appreciate what you are saying but that last line mate, utter drivel.
If you are Black man/woman, being offered a job, no matter how hard it may well be to get work, you wouldnt devalue yourself in participating
IF you felt it was unjust, or morally wrong to do so.
The directors, writers etc have more to answer for here, if indeed they need to, than anyone who appears in the ad.

[HarryLabrador]

This is my first post having popped in to read the various posts over the last few years, this is the first time I feel moved to post something.
Having watched the ad last night and again this morning, I can see why OBV and Simon Wooley have taken offence. As a black man I take offence. If people feel there is no racial overtones there then a great deal of  naivety going on or denial. The question I asking myself there are only one 'non white' set of characters in the ad and they are in a stereotypical setting and displayed manner which has been used over and over again in countless films dramas over the years etc.
I'm no great supporter of Simon Wooley, however I respect what he and OBV do, I read an earlier post saying BME groups were over represented at the last election, I'd loved to see the link to that research to see the full transcript. From my memory there are a handful of 'black' (african and caribbean) MPs and 27 MP from BME groups, which doesn't reflect the BME population in the UK. Just because you've never heard of an organisation or heard of the work they do, doesn't mean they are unimportant, their views have no value, or what they say shouldn't be heard. OBV has been going for 15 years, with a view of greater representation of BME groups in both national, local and grassroots level politics. Also to engage the 'black' community around the power they have to affect what happens in their community to get these  issues on the  national agenda. Where I live and work I don't see the 'black' community concerns making onto the national agenda and being taken seriously, so from where I sit OBV is not 'obsolete'
I like many love Pepe as a keeper, however it doesn't mean he can do no wrong. It difficult because none of us were there, however I do feel some alarm bells should have rung,  to say something not right after see the final cut. I do disagree with Simon Wooley by singling Pepe out, my fire is turned to the ad exs, writer and directors who are happy for this to pass and think this is ok, again its the thinking your happy to see certain people decpited in ways without thinking how it impacts on other.
Finally I saw a post (either on here or another forum) saying the 'black' actor were happy to appear in the ad. When you know how hard it is for some 'black' actors to get any work then you'll know why they appeared, we all got to live bottom line.

I see nothing in that ad which could offend a black or gay person. To be absolutely frank, real Africans will not take offence, and trust me, there are real African tribes who currently live that kind of lifestyle, and there is nothing belittling or disparaging about that civilization.

Seriously, if this offends you, how on earth do you live from day to day.......? I am not being insulting I hasten to add, just curious.

[Carly]

Its a funny advert, can't get the tune out of my head lalalala. 

[hollger]

This is my first post having popped in to read the various posts over the last few years, this is the first time I feel moved to post something.

Aye, alright. Fuck off.

[Butter Keks]

... but its a nothing story..

Says who? Apparently its good enough for the BBC's main sports page. We as a club need to start taking action against this kind of shit or we will continue to paint ourselves as an easy target for any company who wants to quickly raise their profile.

The big problem now is that should the club move to dismiss this report then next week another company will pop up claiming that we are racially insensitive.

[davidg]

That shouldn't have to be the case though. Let's all ignore this and it will go away is a large part of why racism is so rife in the first place!!!

Wrong. You're conflating this issue, which is basically a press witch-hunt dressed up as racist concern, with genuine racism.

Important distinction.

[ReddyMac]

BTW when is the last time Reina saved a penalty?

[doc_antonio]

Says who? Apparently its good enough for the BBC's main sports page. We as a club need to start taking action against this kind of shit or we will continue to paint ourselves as an easy target for any company who wants to quickly raise their profile.

The big problem now is that should the club move to dismiss this report then next week another company will pop up claiming that we are racially insensitive.

so do you believe that pepe is racist? i dont.

do you think it was him that directed the ad? i dont.

Do you think he did it for money and nothing else?

i think he did, his agent gives him a ring says "theres an ad coming up and they want you to do it" pepe says "yeah, ok sounds good"....

or do you think the convo went "there's a racist ad coming up and they want you to do it" pepe says "fuck yeah, i love being racist.."

wise up mate, nothing story.

[Stussy]

We as a club need to start taking action against this kind of shit or we will continue to paint ourselves as an easy target for any company who wants to quickly raise their profile.

What should the club do? Issue statements, multiplying the attention and profile of the likes of Lee Jasper even higher, which is exactly what they want?

Silence and circumspection is the best method to deal with this, alongside us working to our own commitments in the community.

[Caffeine]

Which isn't to say I'm okay with adult to child relationships. More often than not, that's someone praying on an innocent child. Even if it were consensual, a child doesn't have a fully developed mind and until a certain point, I wouldn't trust their decision making. Just going to make that clear, even though it's irrelevant, so nobody throws that out as a counterpoint.

Woah! Good post mate but this bit was unnecessary. I don't think anyone would accuse you of that just cos you said you are accepting of homosexuality!

[Rormac]

BTW when is the last time Reina saved a penalty?

he doesn't have to, the kickers keep missing. 

[Butter Keks]

What should the club do? Issue statements, multiplying the attention and profile of the likes of Lee Jasper even higher, which is exactly what they want?

Silence and circumspection is the best method to deal with this, alongside us working to our own commitments in the community.

Don't know to be honest but there must be some kind of deterrent for these companies. I mean how in the fuck has this story got on the BBC website? Makes a mockery of the good work other people are trying to do to combat racism.

so do you believe that pepe is racist? i dont.

do you think it was him that directed the ad? i dont.

Do you think he did it for money and nothing else?

i think he did, his agent gives him a ring says "theres an ad coming up and they want you to do it" pepe says "yeah, ok sounds good"....

or do you think the convo went "there's a racist ad coming up and they want you to do it" pepe says "fuck yeah, i love being racist.."

wise up mate, nothing story.

Your missing my point which is the club need to be pro active to stop these companies having a go in the first place. Now I might be being daft but I'm almost certain that if that was David De Gea in that advert absolutely nothing would of been said or reported.

Then again he did get caught robbing doughnuts so who knows.

[MoSzizlak]

BTW when is the last time Reina saved a penalty?

Rooney 2 years ago 

he scored the rebound 

[Stussy]

Don't know to be honest but there must be some kind of deterrent for these companies. I mean how in the fuck has this story got on the BBC website? Makes a mockery of the good work other people are trying to do to combat racism.

Act in haste repent at leisure. The media are rapacious and hungry for melodrama. Thats their nature. You don't feed their frenzy by lowering yourself to respond to the likes of Lee Jasper in the manner they want, so they can achieve what they want to achieve.

[Eeyore]

What should the club do? Issue statements, multiplying the attention and profile of the likes of Lee Jasper even higher, which is exactly what they want?

Silence and circumspection is the best method to deal with this, alongside us working to our own commitments in the community.

Apologise three times should do it.

[Butter Keks]

Act in haste repent at leisure. The media are rapacious and hungry for melodrama. Thats their nature. You don't feed their frenzy by lowering yourself to respond to the likes of Lee Jasper in the manner they want, so they can achieve what they want to achieve.

Yeah I see your point. Bit of a damned if we do/ damned if we don't situation. 

[doc_antonio]

Don't know to be honest but there must be some kind of deterrent for these companies. I mean how in the fuck has this story got on the BBC website? Makes a mockery of the good work other people are trying to do to combat racism.

Your missing my point which is the club need to be pro active to stop these companies having a go in the first place. Now I might be being daft but I'm almost certain that if that was David De Gea in that advert absolutely nothing would of been said or reported.

Then again he did get caught robbing doughnuts so who knows.

And you’re missing my point.. it’s a nothing story, it will be forgotten about, it’s just a small time group trying to start up something and getting their 15mins of fame.

Plus, if the club act on it then chances are the meia will blow the whole thing out of proportion so fuck that, quiet word with the players about doing stuff like that again will do.

[macca888]

Right, my job here is done. I'm off now to complain to Proctor and Gamble about their "Fairy Liquid" adverts, the homophobic twats. How dare they imply that gay men jizz on their dishes to get them clean. Treating gay men like animalistic sex freaks, furiously masturbating over Weetabix encrusted breakfast bowls is the only conclusion I can make by branding their product in such a derogatory anti-gay way. It just perpetuates the stereotype of gays that we have in this country of them always wanking over the wine glasses. How could Nanette Newman ever have endorsed this bile filled commercial just for a few quid in the bank I'll never know. She's lived in England all her life, I think, so she's got no excuse for ignorance in the fight against homophobia in the UK.

[Stussy]

Apologise three times should do it.

You can't stop those like Lee Jasper and his cohorts from trying to make hay whilst the sun shines, nor a viscious media interested in sensationalism to hype up their hitcounts on social media for doing so.

You could respond to them disproportionately and amplify them and provide them with exactly what they want though.

Therefore the club should maintain radio silence for the time being.

[SadRed]

Do you include the BBC's main football page as mainstrem press?

It was yesterday for a couple of hours. If there is any reaction from club or fans, they will write more crap. This is a game and we need to learn to play it. If we react, we fall into their trap again. Just keep quiet

[GBF]

Right, my job here is done. I'm off now to complain to Proctor and Gamble about their "Fairy Liquid" adverts, the homophobic twats. How dare they imply that gay men jizz on their dishes to get them clean. Treating gay men like animalistic sex freaks, furiously masturbating over Weetabix encrusted breakfast bowls is the only conclusion I can make by branding their product in such a derogatory anti-gay way. It just perpetuates the stereotype of gays that we have in this country of them always wanking over the wine glasses. How could Nanette Newman ever have endorsed this bile filled commercial just for a few quid in the bank I'll never know. She's lived in England all her life, I think, so she's got no excuse for ignorance in the fight against homophobia in the UK.

you fancy some faggots for dinner tonight?

[Stussy]

It was yesterday for a couple of hours. If there is any reaction from club or fans, they will write more crap. This is a game and we need to learn to play it. If we react, we fall into their trap again. Just keep quiet

Correct.

[Liverbird 2010]

You can't stop those like Lee Jasper and his cohorts from trying to make hay whilst the sun shines, nor a viscious media interested in sensationalism to hype up their hitcounts on social media for doing so.

You could respond to them disproportionately and amplify them and provide them with exactly what they want though.

Therefore the club should maintain radio silence for the time being.

Stussy I understand what you are saying mate, but why does it feel like this is not going to be the last time these groups are going to blame LFC for being rascist again when we are not !!!

[Butter Keks]

Stussy I understand what you are saying mate, but why does it feel like this is not going to be the last time these groups are going to blame LFC for being rascist again when we are not !!!

Thats my problem with it as well. If we respond we give them more time in the spotlight and if we do nothing no doubt somebody will claim we condone racism.

Disgusting mess.

[hurricane74]

Forget about the rest of your post, suffice to say if you genuinely are offended by the advert then it is your right to have that opinion. However I will just take you to task on the point I've quoted above. So you think it is OK for black actors to star in what you think is an inherently racist advert because they can't find work anywhere else? You think the pittance they probably earned for this advert as extras was enough for them to effectively betray their families and the wider black community at large? You think that what really happened is that all of the black people in this advert thought "Oh well, I'm going to be laughed at and ridiculed and further oppressed by possibly racist white people, castigated by the black community for helping to exacerbate racism in society and help to promote disgusting racial stereotyping. But it's OK, I'll bottle up my true feelings and not care for the negative consequences because I'll be able to eat egg and chips tonight." If that is genuinely what you think, your views of fellow black men is disgusting, and no better than calling them any of the various names that black people call what they consider to be black traitors to the black community.

My post didn't say that, in listening to black actors in the past and present, they sometimes have to  take roles  and are offered roles which can be very uncomfortable for them. Some won't do them, however the reality is some people have to take roles for a variety of reasons. I don't see the people who have to do this as traitors, or call them any names, I understand the game.

[Liverbird 2010]

Thats my problem with it as well. If we respond we give them more time in the spotlight and if we do nothing no doubt somebody will claim we condone racism.

Disgusting mess.

If this was any "other player" from any "other club" there would not have been a single word said about it and this my friends is a dirty stinking big FACT!!!!!

[Armand9]

It was yesterday for a couple of hours. If there is any reaction from club or fans, they will write more crap. This is a game and we need to learn to play it. If we react, we fall into their trap again. Just keep quiet

You're wrong http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/, it's been there ever since.

However, I've at no point said the club should react to this, I agree there's nothing to answer for and they should and I'm sure they will just ignore it.

[smicer07]

I think it's funny and totally harmless. God, some people must have little in their lives if they're complaining about that.

[zip]

I can't believe so much attention is being given to it on RAWK.

[se9R.F.L]

My post didn't say that, in listening to black actors in the past and present, they sometimes have to  take roles  and are offered roles which can be very uncomfortable for them. Some won't do them, however the reality is some people have to take roles for a variety of reasons. I don't see the people who have to do this as traitors, or call them any names, I understand the game.

that is called "being an actor" mate. Believe me, 99% of actors are out of work or doing shitty extra work.
It's not a "black" thing and you shouldn't try and make it one. Have you listened to many white actors lately? It's not all harry potter and twilight trust me.
If they thought it was racist they wouldn't have done it surely, unless they are very confused.

[Eeyore]

You can't stop those like Lee Jasper and his cohorts from trying to make hay whilst the sun shines, nor a viscious media interested in sensationalism to hype up their hitcounts on social media for doing so.

You could respond to them disproportionately and amplify them and provide them with exactly what they want though.

Therefore the club should maintain radio silence for the time being.

The problem is when you start pandering to these kind of idiots by apologising so profusely for something as insignificant as a player not shaking hands with someone he doesn't like then you end up empowering them. They are not going to go away and will carry on chipping away until we are forced to say something.

Keeping quiet isn't a solution it is just postponing the inevitable in the end we are going to have to man up and face up to this campaign against the Club, all we are doing for me is allowing poisonous little cretins a free reign to enhance their reputation by slinging mud at the Club.

Mud sticks and the longer we leave it the more damage we will have to repair. Jasper and his cohorts are bullies who wouldn't dream of standing up to real racists but will justify themselves by attacking soft targets. We are walking around turning the other cheek with a massive bullseye painted on our backs.

The Club needs to make a statement highlight the steps we have taken to fight racism and cut off the supply of oxygen to shitehawks like Jasper.

[emitime]

I think the most damning content of that statement is that he's the one that suggests an African tribal society is 'backward and stupid', of which there are many, most well know probably being the Masai. There is nothing in that ad that suggests the tribe is 'backward or stupid', the only suggestion is the king has a liking for the 'queen'.

If anything I would suggest this tribe is more progressive than most of the western world. How many openly gay prime ministers or presidents can you name off the top of your head?

[No666]

Don't the newspapers and organisations pontificating about this just look like a load of humourless prod-noses? Actually, the storm in a teacup is now funnier than the ad ever was.

[hurricane74]

that is called "being an actor" mate. Believe me, 99% of actors are out of work or doing shitty extra work.
It's not a "black" thing and you shouldn't try and make it one. Have you listened to many white actors lately? It's not all harry potter and twilight trust me.
If they thought it was racist they wouldn't have done it surely, unless they are very confused.

Have you listened to a lot of 'black actors' recently? If 'white actors' are struggling then understand that 'black actors' are really struggling. its not a black thing??!!! really!!!!

[Hunter Thompson]

If we've learned anything recently it's that everything is a black thing.

[Liverbird 2010]

Have you listened to a lot of 'black actors' recently? If 'white actors' are struggling then understand that 'black actors' are really struggling. its not a black thing??!!! really!!!!

Yeah I seen Eddie Murphy & Morgan Freeman selling the Big Issue in town the other day.

[drpepe]

Have you listened to a lot of 'black actors' recently? If 'white actors' are struggling then understand that 'black actors' are really struggling. its not a black thing??!!! really!!!!

i don't want to misinterpret, can you explain what you mean there?