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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #120 on: December 18, 2010, 06:16:34 pm »
This forum should change its name from RAWK to RAFA.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #121 on: December 18, 2010, 06:56:09 pm »
Have to agree with some. I facking loved Rafa, never stopped defending him to other REDS. I was not blind to his faults as I saw them, the 60 min sub and Never changing it up before that, bit impersonal with the employees, the players ~ACTUALLY, THINK HE WAS RIGHT IN THIS REGARD, THINKING OF HITCHCOCK AND ACTORS AS CATTLE, PLAY MY FACKING SYSTEM OR FACK OFF, MODERN FOOTBALLERS AND EGOS ETC ETC~ ) End of rant ~i mean reasoned observation~

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HE IS gone. JESUS so many on here mooning after him like a facking Ex Girlfriend they really really loved and who understood them completely....

HE is GONE.

Nothing to add to the Roy debate its a moot point: HE WILL BE GONE.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #122 on: December 18, 2010, 07:01:18 pm »
It took a Spaniard to understand and restore the English spirit embodied by Liverpool Football Club. It took an Englishman to dismantle it. Go figure !
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #123 on: December 18, 2010, 07:13:54 pm »
Rafas gone for god sake, need to get it in your heads, stop comparing Roy and Rafa.










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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #124 on: December 18, 2010, 07:16:36 pm »
Rafa. World Club Champion. Well in mate.

That arrogant stuffed-shirt Hodgson can only dream of such honour.

There's a comparison for you.
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #125 on: December 18, 2010, 07:37:24 pm »
One was one of us. Made me believe that we could be great again. Made the players believe they could be great. Fought the cancers for us.

The other's a clueless prick who said that we should stop fighting the cancers, put the club into reverse, told lies to the fans and has lashed out at everyone bar himself while flailing around for excuses on why he's such a fucking shite manager with less right to manage Liverpool Football Club than your average garden gnome.
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #126 on: December 18, 2010, 09:05:24 pm »
Do any of you think t hat if gillett and hicks took over now, with all the promises of teh time, and we were none the wiser, that roy would smoke them out and tell us all what was going on and procede to damage his own career by fightig them for us?

I dont.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #127 on: December 18, 2010, 09:10:04 pm »


HE IS gone. JESUS so many on here mooning after him like a facking Ex Girlfriend they really really loved and who understood them completely....

HE is GONE.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #128 on: December 18, 2010, 09:18:20 pm »
Rafa. World Club Champion. Well in mate.

That arrogant stuffed-shirt Hodgson can only dream of such honour.

There's a comparison for you.

Yeah but who got them there and who did they end up playing for this cup?


I've only seen half of our games this season, and I didn't see the 'improved' performances of a month or so back. I didn't see the Villa game for instance but one look at Villa's midfield and it would have been criminal to have lost that.

The main difference has been how clunky we are under Roy. Rhombus pegs in dodecohedron holes at times. He's imposing his ideas onto players that just don't suit his plans. I always thought that the signing of Joe Cole was just bloody typical of us... 'big' signing that just wasn't going to fit in anywhere and of course, he gets lumped out on the left because we don't give a shit about the left and England play him there because he's like good and everything so I'll do that. Cole got some grief on here for his performance in the Utrecht game but he's not a left sided player and certainly not on the half way line.

It's all about two square flanks hoping to find joy in the air or with 20 yard passes to two front players. But Torres made his name for being the very definition of a lone finisher - feared and championed but Roy thought ah... I'm gonna change that. Y' see that's just fucking stupid. He was our main strength and he's flattened him out.

I was delighted the game got cancelled today as I really have had enough now.



EDIT: as a plus point for Roy - we have re-developed a better counter attack and we actually look dangerous but I'm not sure how far one can get with your goalkeeper being the playmaker.



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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #129 on: December 18, 2010, 09:22:26 pm »
Edit - My fault, was looking in the wrong thread.  Appologies to the mods.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #130 on: December 18, 2010, 09:50:38 pm »
Lets face it no body wound up old whisky nose  more than Rafa did.  And as long as Hodgson is in charge the mancs will always have the upper hand. 

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #131 on: December 18, 2010, 09:58:24 pm »
Lets face it no body wound up old whisky nose  more than Rafa did.  And as long as Hodgson is in charge the mancs will always have the upper hand. 

Rafa also allowed himself the luxury to get laughed at by him.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #132 on: December 18, 2010, 10:06:25 pm »
Roy Hodgson got the Liverpool job by a series of unfortunate events, he took it and cannot be blamed for that much like Konchesky and Poulsen becoming Liverpool players. He got off on the wrong footing with the fans from day one through his interviews. He had numerous chances to endear himself to a passionate group of fans who will support their manager through thick and thin but he failed to relate to them. He could have nailed Ferguson and Bruce, he should have spoke out against Hicks and Gillett, he should not have bigged up clearly poor oppossition and insulted this proud club in the process. He chose not to do any of this. Instead we got 35 years of managerial experience? Why in that 35 years has he never gasped the fact that half of the games are away from home? There have been some false dawns where a decent result should have been a stepping stone. Clearly he has not got the skills to motivate a group to push on. Fair enough we have topped the group in europe, but being honest this is a second rate competition that should not garner any praise unless you get to the latter stages or win it.

Liverpool lie 9th in the table which is only two places below where we finished last season, but this premier league is different to any other as the aura about the top 4 is gone and more teams are picking up points against them, two wins on the trot can see you in european places while two losses can have you in the bottom three. Banker games like Arsenal at home to West Brom are no more. The worry is that if the results revert to form in the run in then Liverpool will rapidly drop down the table, if you end up in a dogfight at the bottom then a win can be een harder to come by. The comfort lies that West Ham, Wolves and Wigan look doomed already but should a club like Liverpool be taking comfort in this? 6 times Liverpool have been behind at half time and six times they have lost. This stat is worrying on two levels, one the team is mentally frail and currently cannot dig themselves out of trouble and two the half time period had zero impact on the final result. So they may as well have done a Phil Brown and sat  the pitch because there has been no inspiration in the dressing room. Sad really when you think of how Shankly sent his team out of that dressing feeling ten feet tall and look they won nothing for a long time but they believed. Liverpool play a negative game even in dead rubber matches that are ideal to go at teams, compounding the obvious inferiority complex emanating from Hodgson and affecting the team. The postponement of todays game could be a blessing as a loss to Blackpool in the next game could see the end of his tenure and at least this will be 3 points that are still up for grabs afterwards. Hodgson is currently trying to save his own media inflated reputation by setting up to not lose games. One eye on England? Now theres a way to alienate yourself from the Kop.

Rafa Benitez can immediately point to the trophy cabinet for differences between the two men, restoring the fabled european nights at anfield too, a far cry from Hodgsons mess v Utrecht where he may have made a bunch of kids cross the park and support the other crowd. Benitez drew critisism for th style of play and this was justified, but he set his teams up to play to a plan and they stuck to it and got results, often as complete underdogs who still believed the could win. However the removal ofte shackles in 2009 took Liverpool to within a whisker of the title and the question is valid, why not play that way from the start? Benitez will argue that being in touch in Febuary was the plan and they were.

 A student of the game he was often accused of being too rigid.60 minute subs regardless of the flow of the game, maybe stifling creative players natural instincts too. Outside the game the man made intelligent decisions and these have to be taken at face value as a man who got it, got the city. Charitible donations, sticking it to Ferguson, speaking out against the owners, always referencing the people and embracing the history of the club and the city. Even on his departure he stated he will keep his home and will be back. Now theres the issue.

Get rid of Roy and bring back Rafa? As much as I hated to see him go this is not the answer. Second time round is never as sweet. The impression is out there that there are many open wounds still so I feel its too soon. The next appointment is critical and Rafa Benitez would be a gamble for we dont know what reationships he left behind and one things for sure, this group of players will not want another manager who is going to split the squad due to previous baggage. I hope for an authoritarian who will reclaim control of the dressing room for the manager.Oh and I hope its soon.
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #133 on: December 19, 2010, 12:02:26 am »
You know, the more I think about this, the more I think that we need to get one last major act of "internet Terrorism" under way.  I appreciate that there will be many who wont take part, either because they were thise who wanted Rafa out last season, or because that don't think that the club should bring him back for other reasons (too soon, too hard, too unpopular.  Well FUCK 'em.  The man belongs to us. Lets get to work and bring the REAL manager of LFC home.

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The funny thing is if you look through this post: http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=267758.0
You will find a lot of senior posters who will not support an effort to get Rafa back. Some of them for silly reasons like "his time has passed.....". I am not sure you would get the required support for a " bring him home" campaign.
Personally I would have him back in the morning.
But i am not sure i would like to see the owners forced into the move by "internet terrorism".
If Rafa is brought back, it needs to be under the right circumstances.

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There really isn't.  I think a lot of us, even our own have started doubting it. It's time to rise up. And take what is rightfully ours. It's a big mountain, but what is the point in achieving something, which everyone can?

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #134 on: December 19, 2010, 12:06:10 am »
Roy: nobody is talking about number 19 at this end of the M60.

Rafa: This would have been his crowning glory season. No clear favorites. A real battle for points to the finish, which would have suited a Rafa team.
There really isn't.  I think a lot of us, even our own have started doubting it. It's time to rise up. And take what is rightfully ours. It's a big mountain, but what is the point in achieving something, which everyone can?

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #135 on: December 19, 2010, 12:18:20 am »
Rafa inherited a team in the CL with players that had won trophies.

Roy inherited from Rafa a team in the EL with the most technically inept squad in England and probably in all of Europe and that had not won a trophy in 4 years.

Both, Roy and Rafa,  are very boring, negative and not good enough to make Liverpool Champions of England.

I'm glad Rafa is gone and that he will not be coming back.... hopefully Roy will be gone soon too.

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« Reply #136 on: December 19, 2010, 12:23:24 am »
I personally hate the technical ineptness of Reina, Johnson, Agger, Insua, Lucas, Aquilani, Gerrard, Pacheco and Torres. I wish we had better players, like Wigan or Blackburn or West Ham or something.
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #137 on: December 19, 2010, 12:25:38 am »
Roy inherited from Rafa a team in the EL with the most technically inept squad in England and probably in all of Europe and that had not won a trophy in 4 years.

Oh my. Not thinking he was good enough is one thing, but shite like this is quite another. You're not BruceyGob's (or whatever his name is) twin are you?
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #138 on: December 19, 2010, 12:26:56 am »
Rafa getting dogs abuse from people that should know better. Rafa getting slagged off because 'he's coldhearted, selfish, doesn't care' and the rest. From those that were so blinkered, stupid, petty and sad that their one-eyed rage led them to believe anyone could do a better job and that he was a horrible person.

Then he donates all that money to the HJC. A very particular amount. Then he donates to Alder Heys. Then he donates to other causes close to his families hearts. Then he keeps the house he has over here. Then he says how much he loves the place and loves the club even though he was stabbed in the back. Admits he's made mistakes. Says he would love to come back one day. Gives us the Champions League and gets us to another final. Batters Real Madrid and Manchester United 4-1. Beats Barcelona on their own patch. Makes us feared throughout Europe. Gives us an FA Cup. Takes us to finals. Makes us believe. Makes us Dream. Makes us proud. Makes us spoilt with it all. Has us playing, controlling pressing football all over the pitch. Breaks scoring and points records and yet is labelled 'boring' by the seething, jealous press. The press hate him. The press really, really hate him. As a Liverpool fan - anyone that is hated by the lying Murdoch-led, Sun-oriented, money-spinning, self-serving, Xenophobic/Borderline Racist, Dumbed-Down, lying, crying press machine is a friend of mine. Gets the Club. Gets the City. Gets the Fans. Gets the Tradition. Gets the honour. Is one of us.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #139 on: December 19, 2010, 12:26:59 am »
Rafa inherited a team in the CL with players that had won trophies.

Roy inherited from Rafa a team in the EL with the most technically inept squad in England and probably in all of Europe and that had not won a trophy in 4 years.

Both, Roy and Rafa,  are very boring, negative and not good enough to make Liverpool Champions of England.

I'm glad Rafa is gone and that he will not be coming back.... hopefully Roy will be gone soon too.
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« Reply #140 on: December 19, 2010, 12:32:23 am »
Rafa inherited a team in the CL with players that had won trophies.

Roy inherited from Rafa a team in the EL with the most technically inept squad in England and probably in all of Europe and that had not won a trophy in 4 years.

Both, Roy and Rafa,  are very boring, negative and not good enough to make Liverpool Champions of England.


The Champion League winning team that looks like this to one that scares Barca, Real Madrid... Except for the Rafa's last season, Liverpool has been the team that's most feared in Europe. 

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Most technically inept? Boring and negative? Wow.

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« Reply #141 on: December 19, 2010, 12:32:51 am »
I think the clamour for Rafa to return is pretty much exclusive to this site so to analyse that situation in perspective, listening to the owners on Monday night I would think it highly unlikely. The difference between the two is the answers to two simple questions. Show us your medals Roy and have you bought your house here yet?
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« Reply #142 on: December 19, 2010, 12:44:02 am »
Simply No Comparison.

Andy and Al express it better that I could.

I love Rafa. Miss him. Would love him back.

Don't care if it is backwards looking. It's how I feel. So fuck it.

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« Reply #143 on: December 19, 2010, 01:17:24 am »
guys guys.... we all know Roy is a stepping stone to our next manager, in which the club has to be completely certain of, and no it won't be Rafa! we need to move on and not dwell on the man. You could say he was a Liverpool Legened in the sense he tried to displace the powers against the odds, and almost did, but he is gone, and it really worries me how hung up we are on Inter's results.

Look. i've been a long time lurker and i remember what people were saying when united won the club world cup a few years ago, and all off a sudden it is a big thing because Inter beat Mezembe? look at Inter elsewhere and they are in a shocking spell. If Rafa can outwit Van G and beat the beaten finalists them i'm all sure that we'll be going for Inter in the CL, which is fine. Hope i don't get slack for saying this, but we really need to be focusing on our club more. IMO comparing a world class manager to a guy thats way out of his depth, which isn't his fault btw... it's the owners who have stunted our club. Rafa had a healthy budget to work with before we were taken over. for me there are 2 massive issues for us. 1, our owners fucking off 2, the right manager. 3. plans for a 'new' stadium.... not the one that never was... that looked shite. I'm exited to see who we get as manager, hopefully one who can lead us back into challenging. well i'm happy the Chelsea game got postponed... will give them a chance to find there form, although, the bastards are looking like it's in thier hands... which is just inevatable,,,,, the sooner the better, fuck maybe it'll be a huge burden off the team

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #144 on: December 19, 2010, 01:50:53 am »
Rafa had a healthy budget to work with before we were taken over.

How'd you work that one out? in profit in his final 3 transfer windows? Ngog, Maxi and Krygiakos as good as they've turned out to be, snips at a million and a half a piece.
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #145 on: December 19, 2010, 02:29:54 am »
The difference?

One earnt the respect and backing of the fans, fought for the fans, won a European Cup and FA Cup, got the club within touching distance of the fabled "No. 19" despite a limited budget and above all... "Got it." He will be remembered as a successful manager who "Made the fans proud"

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« Reply #146 on: December 19, 2010, 02:45:22 am »
the 60 min sub and Never changing it up before than
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« Reply #147 on: December 19, 2010, 03:10:20 am »
How'd you work that one out? in profit in his final 3 transfer windows? Ngog, Maxi and Krygiakos as good as they've turned out to be, snips at a million and a half a piece.

ummm there is a net spend sheet on transfers by all the big managers and Rafa is on that list, and high up on the list because of his transfer record. I mean forget the Americans for a second and all that is left are the facts, which are Rafa has had enough funds to compete for the EPL. He had spend roughly the same as whiskey nose in the same space off time...before Ronaldo was sold btw, once again, before the owners bought us. He made some terrific buys, and also some shockers lets be honest. I could never understand why Kewell never worked out for us when we were his boyhood dream and the form he showed with Leeds was immense, now mention Robbie fucking Keane.... I could see that a mile away. I couldn't believe we signed him. one of Rafa's worst mistakes.

My point is he had everything he needed here but once the Americans came in it was like a big burden for everyone including Rafa. Yeah we came the closest we've ever have done in the league 2 seasons, but that was mainly down to the team he built before the americans started slowly fucking us. I know even Manc fans say they were lucky to hold on and win, but at the same time they call Rafa a Spanish waiter, and think he blew his only real shot of winning the title. They raise a fair point if they're willing to concede that they were lucky to win because it really was there for the taking, and although i was proud of Rafa doing the fact sheet interview, I just knew he was putting unnecessary pressure on the club to beat United to the title. hindsight is always easy to bring up, but i wonder if Rafa played his cards differently that season and kept his cool, that we'd all be talking about No. 19 in a positive, rather than dreading the number like we seem to have been

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #148 on: December 19, 2010, 03:21:43 am »
Rafa was building a legacy while Roy couldn't build a sand castle.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #149 on: December 19, 2010, 03:31:56 am »
Rafa wouldn't make a good lollipop man.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #150 on: December 19, 2010, 03:40:11 am »
Rafa was building a legacy while Roy couldn't build a sand castle.

He would blame the bucket, the shovel, the texture of the sand, the wind and the sea for daring to have waves come and go.
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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #151 on: December 19, 2010, 04:14:14 am »


Rafa for me, he was probably one of the more humble managers out of the top 4.... when we were in the top4  :butt

Wenger is the saw loser, and even blamed the pitch for not beating the scum, typical Wenger. Rafa was down to earth, except when he lost his rag in the mind game game, and was detrimental for our league chances. It was done with the best intentions, but when it comes to whiskey nose, then you have to keep your head because you know he'll use it agaist you. I applauded Rafa at the time, but it also coincided with them overtaking us and winning the fucking league, and i don't think that is a coincidence

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #152 on: December 19, 2010, 06:41:28 am »
The difference between the two is the answers to two simple questions. Show us your medals Roy and have you bought your house here yet?

Pretty much nails it that. Rafa has won everything compared to Roy who has won fuck all and Rafa was one of us too.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #153 on: December 19, 2010, 08:14:16 am »
Fergie fucking hated Rafa. Why? Because he feared him. He feared what Rafa was capable of doing, and that was winning the league and hastening his retirement from Man Utd.

Fergie loves Roy. Why? Because he is no threat. None at all. Not in any way, shape or form. Roy will never win fuck all. Roy will never challenge the top 4. Roy is about as threatening to Fergie as a soggy sardine sandwich.

The media hated Rafa. Why? Because he called them out on their bullshit and stood up for the club rather than being sycophantic to the rags. He didn't conform to their ideals, he wasn't an "English" manager, and he was football focussed rathen than soundbite selling papers focussed.

The media love Roy. Why? Because he's just a talking head pundit who happens to be working as a manager. He has the same philosophies as them and by proxy makes them feel good about themselves. He'll play their games.

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #154 on: December 19, 2010, 08:19:11 am »
rafa wouldn't have stood grinning with Moyes after the shite beat us!

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #155 on: December 19, 2010, 11:03:01 am »
I think the clamour for Rafa to return is pretty much exclusive to this site so to analyse that situation in perspective, listening to the owners on Monday night I would think it highly unlikely. The difference between the two is the answers to two simple questions. Show us your medals Roy and have you bought your house here yet?

You would think wrong then. At the match there are many that would love to see Rafa back.
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« Reply #156 on: December 19, 2010, 11:04:50 am »
Rafa had a healthy budget to work with before we were taken over.

We made a profit in the last four transfer windows in a row.
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« Reply #157 on: December 19, 2010, 11:06:27 am »
I kind of feel for Hodgson..He isnt good enough..

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Re: Rafa Vs Roy - the differences that you as a fan can see with your own eyes.
« Reply #159 on: December 19, 2010, 11:17:09 am »
I'm one of them, and the people who sit in front, behind and at the side of me.
You would think wrong then. At the match there are many that would love to see Rafa back.