Topic: Babel: I'm not finished here

[Rednyte]

played well, would like to see him get more chances in the first team up front, the lad has some real pace which is something we really lack.

[Spanish Al]

ya i'm not so sure about that and in fairness ngog is behind babel in physique development,but he seems to be getting better at shielding the ball. by your post it looks like you are  assuming i don't like babel, not so, i would love to see him finally make an impression but there are a lot of doubts about him and they are backed up by his club and national team managers not fancying him much.

You cant compare the two based on holding up ability because N'gog is a target man striker wheras Babel would be better on the last shoulder.  Theyd compliment each other rather than one or the other.

[storey1]

yes i agree that was not the intention i was replying to a post that said he is miles better than ngog. i was just pointing out one reason why babel can't play up the middle.

You cant compare the two based on holding up ability because Ngog is a target man striker wheras Babel would be better on the last shoulder.  Theyd compliment each other rather than one or the other.

[Spanish Al]

yes i agree that was not the intention i was replying to a post that said he is miles better than ngog. i was just pointing out one reason why babel can't play up the middle.

Ok. He can play up the middle though imo. He was good as a lone striker tonight (considering that doesnt suit his abilities) though. Put him up front with Torres (or N'gog in Nandos absence) and he'd shine. His best position could be a right winger though, he's a really good crosser of the ball.

[bigbear]

Ok. He can play up the middle though imo. He was good as a lone striker tonight (considering that doesnt suit his abilities) though. Put him up front with Torres (or Ngog in Nandos absence) and he'd shine. His best position could be a right winger though, he's a really good crosser of the ball.

His best position is a wide player in a 4-3-3 shape like Holland play.

The problem is for that shape we need a centre forward who likes playing up front on his own, someone to play on the side of the 3 up front who has either played there for Holland in a World Cup final or for a side that employed this shape like say ...Chelsea.

We'd also need a central midfield player who can break from the middle, comfortable in the idea he had 2 others there with him to give us shape and keep possession.

We just don't have those types of players .........

[TravisBickle]

Babel on the left, Maxi on the right and Kuyt sat behind Torres.
 
 Sorted.

[Spanish Al]

His best position is a wide player in a 4-3-3 shape like Holland play.

The problem is for that shape we need a centre forward who likes playing up front on his own, someone to play on the side of the 3 up front who has either played there for Holland in a World Cup final or for a side that employed this shape like say ...Chelsea.

We'd also need a central midfield player who can break from the middle, comfortable in the idea he had 2 others there with him to give us shape and keep possession.

We just don't have those types of players .........

Fully agree

[PJG]

His best position is a wide player in a 4-3-3 shape like Holland play.

The problem is for that shape we need a centre forward who likes playing up front on his own, someone to play on the side of the 3 up front who has either played there for Holland in a World Cup final or for a side that employed this shape like say ...Chelsea.

We'd also need a central midfield player who can break from the middle, comfortable in the idea he had 2 others there with him to give us shape and keep possession.

We just don't have those types of players .........

we can always dream..

[LFC 89]

i've said it time and time again that for babel to be productive in our side we need a manager to have confidence in him and give him a decent run of games.

He was a massive prospect when we signed him and you don't lose that footballing ability so quickly, he has a powerful shot, lethal when on target, he's quick can be direct, potentially a defenders nightmare.

Babels biggest problem is his own belief, he's very much a confidence player and needs to be backed, we're in a situation were we have yet to hit top gear in any competition, out left wing has been pretty much vacant for year. He just needs the chance!

Also when he scores a goal you can see how much it means to him, look at lyon last year, chelsea the 2 years previous, derby when we beat them 6-0 and he still celebrated like it was a cup winning goal. The club means a lot to him and it's time we repaid him with a few starts on the bounce

[Beninger]

They were scared shitless of Ryan.  2, sometimes 3, players on him whenever he got the ball. 

[Fanxxxxtastic]

i've said it time and time again that for babel to be productive in our side we need a manager to have confidence in him and give him a decent run of games.

He was a massive prospect when we signed him and you don't lose that footballing ability so quickly, he has a powerful shot, lethal when on target, he's quick can be direct, potentially a defenders nightmare.

Babels biggest problem is his own belief, he's very much a confidence player and needs to be backed, we're in a situation were we have yet to hit top gear in any competition, out left wing has been pretty much vacant for year. He just needs the chance!

Also when he scores a goal you can see how much it means to him, look at lyon last year, chelsea the 2 years previous, derby when we beat them 6-0 and he still celebrated like it was a cup winning goal. The club means a lot to him and it's time we repaid him with a few starts on the bounce

I think this is a top post.  He just needs to be believed and given some backing. 

[Rohit]

How the hell was he no on the mom award on lfc tv panel fuck that and poulsen was on there. More on the john aldrige and lfc tv bias towards to him and having kelly on over 60% when this was on of his worse outing( i like the lad alot) but come on.
What a joke they truely are.

[bigbear]

They were scared shitless of Ryan.  2, sometimes 3, players on him whenever he got the ball. 

He is a player I think other sides worry about because he can't be left one on one.

I've got a mate who is a Manc and is an ex-pro and a good lad and he can never understand Babel's treatment and lack of games. I think he is right and Benitez has a lot to answer for in that respect. Having bought the lad for big cash for a kid he never showed any faith.

[GrkStav]

Ok. He can play up the middle though imo. He was good as a lone striker tonight (considering that doesnt suit his abilities) though. Put him up front with Torres (or Ngog in Nandos absence) and he'd shine. His best position could be a right winger though, he's a really good crosser of the ball.

He's WHAT? You cannot possibly be serious. He's by far one of the worst crossers of the ball I have ever seen among forwards. He's had probably a grand-total of 3-4 decent/good crosses in his entire time with us. He's well and truly awful at crossing the ball.

[El Rey, por favor]

He's WHAT? You cannot possibly be serious. He's by far one of the worst crossers of the ball I have ever seen among forwards. He's had probably a grand-total of 3-4 decent/good crosses in his entire time with us. He's well and truly awful at crossing the ball.

That's bollocks, he's a good crosser to be honest. Better than Lennon et al.

[Rohit]

That's bollocks, he's a good crosser to be honest. Better than Lennon et al.

He is a good crosser of the ball id agree too.

[Strummer77]

He's WHAT? You cannot possibly be serious. He's by far one of the worst crossers of the ball I have ever seen among forwards. He's had probably a grand-total of 3-4 decent/good crosses in his entire time with us. He's well and truly awful at crossing the ball.

I dunno. I think he's just erratic. Some are god awful but then sometimes he pulls off a great one. Like today this was with his left.

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[gallden]

Should have had two assists today had Joe Cole had any bottle.

[astowell1]

Just play him up front with Torres.

He is miles better than Ngog, he actuallly carries a threat on his own which is needed the way we play. He could be a Collymore type player who can play down the middle and run wide but he needs games.

Yeah I totally agree with this, N'Gog has really gone off the boil in recent games and I think Babel deserves a couple of games at least.  If he's crap then drop him again.

He has talent and we might as well give him another try and this time in the position he would like the play.

[Strummer77]

Yeah I totally agree with this, Ngog has really gone off the boil in recent games and I think Babel deserves a couple of games at least.  If he's crap then drop him again.

He has talent and we might as well give him another try and this time in the position he would like the play.

Dunno. Ngog was quiet against Spurs but I thought he was good against West Ham.

[milankakabaros]

How the hell was he no on the mom award on lfc tv panel fuck that and poulsen was on there. More on the john aldrige and lfc tv bias towards to him and having kelly on over 60% when this was on of his worse outing( i like the lad alot) but come on.
What a joke they truely are.

I recall Aldo on twitter saying that Babel should be sold.

Anyways back to his performance. He had a very good first half with limited support, as one poster mentioned, they had 3 players closing him down and Ryan managed to win throw ins/corners off them.

A very mature performance given that most of our possession was spent in the air of Romania rather than on the ground.

Should have had 2 assists but I don't know what Joe Cole was up to.

Keep it up Ryan

[LFC 89]

Dunno. Ngog was quiet against Spurs but I thought he was good against West Ham.

Ngog is still very young and with Torres to learn from he's only getting better, if we used Babel and Ngog as supporting strikers for Torres i'm sure the competition against each other would be very healthy

[astowell1]

Dunno. Ngog was quiet against Spurs but I thought he was good against West Ham.

He was a little better against West Ham I will give you that.  I just think we need something different up front and might as well give Babel a try, he's been patient enough.  N'Gog is a work in progress, he's definitely got some quality don't get me wrong.

[LFC 89]

I recall Aldo on twitter saying that Babel should be sold.

Anyways back to his performance. He had a very good first half with limited support, as one poster mentioned, they had 3 players closing him down and Ryan managed to win throw ins/corners off them.

A very mature performance given that most of our possession was spent in the air of Romania rather than on the ground.

Should have had 2 assists but I don't know what Joe Cole was up to.

Keep it up Ryan

As for this sometimes I feel aldo is extremely harsh on fringe players, I remember meeting him and alan kennedy in JLA on 11th july 09 just after our 2nd placed finish. They asked me who I felt we should buy and I mentioned keeping Torres and Gerrard fit was vital, they both said we can't rely on them though we need replacements. I said finding a replacement for Torres or Gerrard who would happily sit on the bench until called upon is something we would never find, instead we need fringe players who could come into the side and do a job that was needed i.e Benayoun. At this point Aldo walked away at the mention of Benayoun, he also voiced major concerns over Lucas and said he wasn't fit for the red shirt.

[Rohit]

As for this sometimes I feel aldo is extremely harsh on fringe players, I remember meeting him and alan kennedy in JLA on 11th july 09 just after our 2nd placed finish. They asked me who I felt we should buy and I mentioned keeping Torres and Gerrard fit was vital, they both said we can't rely on them though we need replacements. I said finding a replacement for Torres or Gerrard who would happily sit on the bench until called upon is something we would never find, instead we need fringe players who could come into the side and do a job that was needed i.e Benayoun. At this point Aldo walked away at the mention of Benayoun, he also voiced major concerns over Lucas and said he wasn't fit for the red shirt.

Ive personally lost alot of respect for aldo for a while now, its like he seems to be wearing scouse goggles on and will criticize everyone except the local lads. to be honest i hoped the spurs games should have put to bed the fact johnson is a top draw right back and not a midfielder. His agenda to make kelly our right back ever since lyon has been there for all to see. Kelly is a centre back and allows too many crosses in yet he gets praised for shit johnson gets crucified for and that isnt on.
His agenda against babel is all too see aswell and lucas, had cole put in the performance babel did he probably talking about it all show how cole is our messiah ffs. I can't take aldo seriously anymore, he doesnt really understand tactics either and his football knowledge at times is poor too, and a shame becuase through the media he infleunces others.

[LFC 89]

Ive personally lost alot of respect for aldo for a while now, its like he seems to be wearing scouse goggles on and will criticize everyone except the local lads. to be honest i hoped the spurs games should have put to bed the fact johnson is a top draw right back and not a midfielder. His agenda to make kelly our right back ever since lyon has been there for all to see. Kelly is a centre back and allows too many crosses in yet he gets praised for shit johnson gets crucified for and that isnt on.
His agenda against babel is all too see aswell and lucas, had cole put in the performance babel did he probably talking about it all show how cole is our messiah ffs. I can't take aldo seriously anymore, he doesnt really understand tactics either and his football knowledge at times is poor too, and a shame becuase through the media he infleunces others.

Same for me to be honest, always respected Aldo but I think he can see things his own way, Alan Kennedy though was spot on. Listened to all I had to say and said he really rated Benayoun, I know it must get frustrating for players when fans bombard them at an airport but alan kennedy really had time to talk and said to Aldo go get me bag i'm having a talk here

[Rohit]

Dont get aldo though sometimes its like he hates babel so much that he must owe him money or something. Even when the lad is working hard tracking back and trying to help the team his excuse is, oh he doesnt have heart and thats the minimum you expect from a player at liverpool. Yet when kuyt does it he is praised i dont understand it to be honest same applies to johno and kelly situation.

How comes clubs like man utd and chelsea dont have such whoppers as there media outlet.

[jckliew]

Ngog needs more muscles!

[TomDcs]

Thought he was easily motm last night, found myself trying to not be over critical as i have been in the past and he worked hard for the young team. Roy said he thought he had a good game so he might get a few games now, maybe.

[Hank Scorpio]

He is miles better than Ngog, he actuallly carries a threat on his own which is needed the way we play. He could be a Collymore type player who can play down the middle and run wide but he needs games.

No way is Babel miles better than Ngog.  In fact, Ngog is a better player than Babel.

[farawayred]

"Babel: I'm not finished here"

Oh yes, Babel, you're finished here.

[myrlas]

Babel is finished here of course.

Kind of a pity, really.

We never found out what he could bring, and after his first season the whole man has gone stale.

To me it's much down to Benitez and Kuyt. Benitez choose Kuyt, the safe bet, the hard worker 10 times out of ten. Others would do the same. And they have good ammunition in their arguments.

A player like babel is much more risky. Bit with risk comes potential reward.  A player without confidence - as he's never been given trust. Still he has loads of ability, and is one of the few in our squad who can beat a player with ease. I have always argued for him getting a run in the side at the right hand side in a 4-2-3-1 system. He prefers to go right, and that would mean that he could take on defenders on the outside. He actually has very good crossing abilities, and he can play the ball at the ground as well (his most underrated ability IMO).

Babels lack of tactical awareness is what have let him down here. But is that only his fault? I'm not so sure of that.

His urge to turn and "show his strength" by keeping the defender off is non-effective. As a striker he is not effective, as he is by far best when he gets space and can attack space. Out wide is the best option to those two.

The club who buys him, and can build his confidence and perhaps guide him a bit will have a good player at their hands.

Good luck, wherever that will be.

[Inverse]

Are you guys so sure?
What about he join Arsene on January, then become striker?

[therockbox]

What about he join Arsene on January, then become striker?

When did Wenger's brain fall out?

[Hank Scorpio]

When did Wenger's brain fall out?

When they lost to Spurs.

[Saint Kopite]

Ryan is a good crosser of the ball. But the problem is he hardly crosses.

[Chivasino]

Ryan is a god crosser of the ball.

Steady on Pal, he aint that good.

[LiamG]

He's certainly better crossing from the right than the left

[woz92]

He's certainly better crossing from the right than the left

Ryan is a god crosser of the ball. But the problem is he hardly crosses.

The whole point of babel is that is decision making is poor. i.e crossing etc! One shitty cross last night and suddenly hes golden balls. Like the guy and feel he has a genuine love for our club aswell. BUT babels distribution is far from good. Just stick him up top where hes got pace to burn .

[sattapaartridge]

One shitty cross.

eh? it wasnt a shitty cross mate. he picked out jovanovic, and it reached its target. it was also a cross from his weaker foot.

the hate campaign against babel is very very apparent on this latest page. it sounds like people didnt even watch the match.