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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #200 on: June 12, 2010, 01:36:37 pm »
You have got to admire the bare faced cheek of the RBS spending millions of pounds of Taxpayers money sponsoring sporting events and having jolly up's for the boys and at the same time turning a blind eye to the Yanks destroying Liverpool Football Club.

Here is a list of their corporate jolly up's.

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« Reply #201 on: June 12, 2010, 02:06:08 pm »
Sent my own letter to RBS just now.
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« Reply #202 on: June 12, 2010, 02:12:08 pm »
A motion has just been passed at sos meeting to specifically target rbs
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« Reply #203 on: June 12, 2010, 02:39:15 pm »
Being over the pond I was undecided if my email would count, but I still sent it. I was also thinking it was such a good  breakdown of the situation shouldn't it also go elsewhere, for example as RBS was bailed out by the government should they not also get the facts? Get a few MPs to start to push the treasury secretary etc. I don't know if that is overstepping the mark or if it is something that could be done. 
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #204 on: June 12, 2010, 02:45:53 pm »
.......hicks holdings could do with a battering as well......

Does anybody have Hicks & Gillettes eMail addresses?

I am using info@hicksholdings.com to inundate them with messages of contempt but I don't know if there is a better one......
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #205 on: June 12, 2010, 03:37:55 pm »
Does anybody have Hicks & Gillettes eMail addresses?

I am using info@hicksholdings.com to inundate them with messages of contempt but I don't know if there is a better one......
To be honest mate, I wouldn't bother unless you like to be told to Blow me fuck face.

Use your time and energy to better effect... do your bit with the contacts and make sure get some others on to it.

That's the way to get at them.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #206 on: June 12, 2010, 03:42:50 pm »
Being over the pond I was undecided if my email would count, but I still sent it. I was also thinking it was such a good  breakdown of the situation shouldn't it also go elsewhere, for example as RBS was bailed out by the government should they not also get the facts? Get a few MPs to start to push the treasury secretary etc. I don't know if that is overstepping the mark or if it is something that could be done. 
You can really help in the states. Send the letters. Don't worry about being in America. That just shows the fuckers they are dealing with a global campaign.

But add a personal note. Tell them how disgusted you are that a state owned British bank is not only enabling two none dodgy American "businessmen" to do this to our club, but they are profiteering on the back of it.

Also drag in as many other people as you can...
We can all do this, no matter where we are.

PS: to the best of my knowledge RBS own Citizens bank in the states. It would be a great help if American reds started to threaten to close their accounts with them if they didn't pressure RBS to stop extending credit to H&G.

Cheers mate. There's millions of us world wide. If we do these simple and easy actions, we can get a result.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #207 on: June 12, 2010, 03:53:13 pm »
Use your time and energy to better effect... do your bit with the contacts

Well yes, but this would have been in addition to and not instead of!

It just takes a bit of effort from EVERYBODY.........don't just leave it to others.

RBS and M.P.s are the priorities in my view.  I think that a local MP (Kilfoyle) mentioned it in the House last week but I haven't seen anything on this board about that.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #208 on: June 12, 2010, 05:07:54 pm »
Does anybody have Hicks & Gillettes eMail addresses?

I am using info@hicksholdings.com to inundate them with messages of contempt but I don't know if there is a better one......
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« Reply #209 on: June 12, 2010, 05:14:49 pm »
Done, rewritten a wee bit, and sent, as well as emailed on to a few other Reds I know.

Well done Fat Scouser.
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« Reply #210 on: June 12, 2010, 05:59:26 pm »
Letter sent. I am trying to encourage other Reds to do the same

Lets keep up the pressure!

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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #211 on: June 12, 2010, 09:03:39 pm »
Right well here we go.
The balls in your court.....

To:
John Hourican
Chief Executive, Global Banking and Markets
RBS
36 St Andrew Square
Edinburgh
EH2 2YB


Distribution list:
cc. Suneel Kamlani, GBM
cc. Marco Mazzucchelli, GBM
cc. Alan Dickinson, UK Corporate
cc. Mark Catton, UK Corporate
cc. Roger Lowry, Head of Public Affairs
cc. Dr Vince Cable, Secretary of State BIS (1 Victoria Street London
SW1H 0ET)
cc. Jeremy C*nt, Secretary of State, Sport (2-4 Cockspur Street London
SW1Y 5DH)


Can I just check please, are all of these bods at the same address as John Hourican? (except Hunt and Cable, obviously). Cheers. :)
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #212 on: June 12, 2010, 09:46:04 pm »
Can I just check please, are all of these bods at the same address as John Hourican? (except Hunt and Cable, obviously). Cheers. :)
Yes mate. Obviously, some of them will be scattered about in other offices and such, but that address will get it to all of them.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #213 on: June 12, 2010, 09:52:24 pm »
Yes mate. Obviously, some of them will be scattered about in other offices and such, but that address will get it to all of them.

Thanks, will get my letters ready to print out at work on Monday. :)
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« Reply #214 on: June 12, 2010, 09:55:13 pm »
PS... people are saying well done to me, and I thank you for it. It's appreciated. But you're the people who need thanking and you're the people who make it worth doing. The rest, well... I just dispair. And I wouldn't try to fool anyone by saying it's not disheartening at times, but we're having results. I know this for a fact. There's some things happening that I can't divulge right now. But take it from me, and I wouldn't con you, we're getting heard and there's some good things happening.

You'd think all hands would jump all over this. I wasted a lot of time and enthusiasm by trying to convince some people why they must do this.... I've learnt better. Treat them like kids, don't waste your time trying to talk sense to them. Don't let their negative bollacks bring you down. Just leave them to it and move on. But don't give up. Keep directing people to this. There's enough of us who can be bothered. We just have to let them know it's here.
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« Reply #215 on: June 12, 2010, 09:56:06 pm »
Thanks, will get my letters ready to print out at work on Monday. :)
Good man, and as I just said... try your best to get some more on it. We can make a difference.
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« Reply #216 on: June 12, 2010, 09:58:46 pm »
Good woman, and as I just said... try your best to get some more on it. We can make a difference.

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« Reply #217 on: June 12, 2010, 10:02:21 pm »
Sent letter to RBS, joined SoS and registered with RAWK - all on the same day.

I must have been seriously peed off that day...

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« Reply #218 on: June 12, 2010, 10:05:06 pm »
Sent letter to RBS, joined SoS and registered with RAWK - all on the same day.

I must have been seriously peed off that day...
HA! Brilliant. Now just chase some lazy bastards up and you've got the full set.
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« Reply #219 on: June 12, 2010, 11:42:22 pm »
Letter done. Printed 4 extra and sent them from me Mrs and 3 daughters too.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #220 on: June 13, 2010, 12:41:22 am »
Thought I'd bump this back to the top, given I just contributed to that England LFCTV thread. Anyway, 3 letters sent today, and got a mate doing the same (if he gets off his arse).

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« Reply #221 on: June 13, 2010, 08:59:23 am »
Still waiting for my responses from my initial letters to pretty much all a few weeks back

I can honestly say I've lost track of who I've emailed or written to and I haven't even had a "blow me" reply. not even kiss my arse.

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« Reply #222 on: June 13, 2010, 10:13:28 am »
I can honestly say I've lost track of who I've emailed or written to and I haven't even had a "blow me" reply. not even kiss my arse.

Not surprised mate. They sponser the Rugby 6 nations don't they.

Two packets of drawing pins on the pitch at Twickenham would get their attention.


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« Reply #223 on: June 13, 2010, 10:18:49 am »
Done this today.  Got my dad to do it as well.  Just checked my emails and not had a reply to any I sent last week(been on the piss for a week).  BUT all we can do is but try.

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« Reply #224 on: June 13, 2010, 10:19:02 am »
FS, don't know if this has been discussed earlier, but have you thought of sending a copy to Oli Kay and Rory Smith of the Telegraph? I know these 2 a very pro the fans.
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« Reply #225 on: June 13, 2010, 11:30:00 am »
Hi, not only a new member on here but new to registering on any kind of Forum but we have finally had enough and plucked up the courage to register and to say that if there is anything we can do to get rid of Twit & Twot, please shout.   
Our letters are ready and waiting for posting with a separate paragraph telling RBS that as a customer, we have already moved some of our existing policies to more suitable providers and will continue to do so when the next renewal comes around.  We don’t know how much that will affect them but if enough people join in they will have to sit up and take notice at some point.  For us it’s a personal and moral choice, we can’t just sit and watch now as this club is destroyed without fighting for it.
Keep up the good work and remember never choose a fight with Liverpool fans - you won’t win!!
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #226 on: June 13, 2010, 11:37:21 am »
Hi, not only a new member on here but new to registering on any kind of Forum but we have finally had enough and plucked up the courage to register and to say that if there is anything we can do to get rid of Twit & Twot, please shout.   
Our letters are ready and waiting for posting with a separate paragraph telling RBS that as a customer, we have already moved some of our existing policies to more suitable providers and will continue to do so when the next renewal comes around.  We don’t know how much that will affect them but if enough people join in they will have to sit up and take notice at some point.  For us it’s a personal and moral choice, we can’t just sit and watch now as this club is destroyed without fighting for it.
Keep up the good work and remember never choose a fight with Liverpool fans - you won’t win!!


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« Reply #227 on: June 13, 2010, 11:41:51 am »
Hi, not only a new member on here but new to registering on any kind of Forum but we have finally had enough and plucked up the courage to register and to say that if there is anything we can do to get rid of Twit & Twot, please shout.   
Our letters are ready and waiting for posting with a separate paragraph telling RBS that as a customer, we have already moved some of our existing policies to more suitable providers and will continue to do so when the next renewal comes around.  We don’t know how much that will affect them but if enough people join in they will have to sit up and take notice at some point.  For us it’s a personal and moral choice, we can’t just sit and watch now as this club is destroyed without fighting for it.
Keep up the good work and remember never choose a fight with Liverpool fans - you won’t win!!

Great stuff. Welcome aboard. If you need any help feel free to PM me, and have a look around the other anti-owner threads. There's quite a bit going on. If you need any info in any of them just ask. We need more like you.
Well done for that and I'm made up you found your way here. Send everyone you can.
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« Reply #228 on: June 13, 2010, 11:46:49 am »
Thanks for the welcome, we've been lurking for years now and have taken part in the other e-mail campaigns, so just wanted to show that even though people aren't registered we do read the threads and take part, so don't give up hope.

Off to place an order for the Standards Corrupted now  :wave
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #229 on: June 13, 2010, 12:10:21 pm »
I've been laid up for 3 days now with serious case of 'trots' and feelin really sorry for myself and just checking on the forums to see if any glimmer of light at end of the tunnel. Sad to f..k to see  nothing of note happening apart from LFC going down pan. SO...big thanks to you FS....letter printed off, email sent to RBS customer services and will get others onvolved too. Off back to bed now......via the big white throne....

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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #230 on: June 13, 2010, 12:17:08 pm »
I've been laid up for 3 days now with serious case of 'trots' and feelin really sorry for myself and just checking on the forums to see if any glimmer of light at end of the tunnel. Sad to f..k to see  nothing of note happening apart from LFC going down pan. SO...big thanks to you FS....letter printed off, email sent to RBS customer services and will get others onvolved too. Off back to bed now......via the big white throne....



Nice, but good effort , there will be people reading your post with nothing wrong with them and fuck all better to do who still haven't done it, hopefully your effort will inspire one or two of them to do something.
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« Reply #231 on: June 13, 2010, 12:32:06 pm »
Nice, but good effort , there will be people reading your post with nothing wrong with them and fuck all better to do who still haven't done it, hopefully your effort will inspire one or two of them to do something.

You wouldn't believe the amount of people - forum users an all - who just don't know this is going on.

Of course, there's the people who know all about it and just won't try anything no matter what.
We just have to forget them and move on.
We need to drag in all the people who don't even know what's happening. There's loads of them and they'll give it a go... but build it and they will come me arse. We have to drag them in, kicking and screaming if needs be.

All of us, even the busiest of us, get an hour or so everyday when we have fuck all to do. If we use it to spread the word... Well, the other day I got banned off here for 24 hours. (Done me a favour really) but I bounced round a few fan sites while I couldn't get on here, and the response was brilliant... load of people on this and the other threads, load new members for SOS. And most importantly... they then passed the word on an all.

It's no effort really, bit of cut and pasting in a spare hour. Macca done it on here, in all the main threads on the first page. That was a brilliant little move. You'd normally think what a waste of time... he dragged a load of people in who didn't even know it was here... and they was in the thread next door!

So it just shows you, every little word spread... it all helps.
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« Reply #232 on: June 13, 2010, 01:13:51 pm »
From India, Sent.

Also reminded them politely that their recent forays into the Indian market would find bad press if a few us ask our employees to spread the word about banning RBS.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #233 on: June 13, 2010, 01:22:48 pm »
From India, Sent.

Also reminded them politely that their recent forays into the Indian market would find bad press if a few us ask our employees to spread the word about banning RBS.

Hope this helps.
It all helps mate. Thank you very much for taking the time and making the effort.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #234 on: June 13, 2010, 07:40:16 pm »
Done.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #235 on: June 13, 2010, 08:42:39 pm »
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #236 on: June 14, 2010, 12:11:18 am »
Have got mine all in envelopes ready to post on the way to school in the morning, really hope this has some effect.  Nice work though FS for putting the letter together  :)

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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #237 on: June 14, 2010, 09:17:37 am »
Right Folks...
Monday morning, fresh start, back to work, knock the cobwebs and hangovers off, and all that good stuff...

We need numbers. It takes ten bloody minutes... print it off, and send it.

One of our lad's (GeeFJay) who's doing all this, just told me you can even print stamps on line now. So there's no bloody excuse...
Print it, send one copy to one person, or send it them all, just do it... It's your club an all. Don't leave the fight to save it to the usual commited people.

Print, send, add a little personal note, telling them how disgusted you are that a British state owned bank is allowing two American "Business men" to destroy a British/Global sporting institution. And not only are RBS allowing it, they are aiding and abbetting it, and even profittering from it.

If we get enough of us on this we can force them into at least rethinking this disgraceful priofittering on our misery.  Come on. We're Reds aren't we...
Well, Fuckin Fight Back then...

To:
John Hourican
Chief Executive, Global Banking and Markets
RBS
36 St Andrew Square
Edinburgh
EH2 2YB


Distribution list:
cc. Suneel Kamlani, GBM
cc. Marco Mazzucchelli, GBM
cc. Alan Dickinson, UK Corporate
cc. Mark Catton, UK Corporate
cc. Roger Lowry, Head of Public Affairs
cc. Dr Vince Cable, Secretary of State BIS (1 Victoria Street London
SW1H 0ET)
cc. Jeremy C*nt, Secretary of State, Sport (2-4 Cockspur Street London
SW1Y 5DH)



Dear Mr Hourican

I wish to convey my ongoing and extreme dissatisfaction over the
management of the RBS loan facility provided to Tom Hicks and George
Gillett, that continues to prop up their catastrophic ownership of
Liverpool Football Club.

I am not a member, but the supporters union, Spirit of Shankly, one of
the most vociferous opponents of the current regime, recently ran an
billboard advertising campaign targeting the ownership of the club
that used the appropriate tag line "Debt, Lies, Cowboys". I am going
to unashamedly borrow that line as a structure to this letter.

Debt
As you know, the club's debts as of last July stood at £351m, of which
£237m constitutes the loan facility provided by RBS, the remainder
being in high-interest intra-company loan from Hicks and Gillett's
offshore holding company, Kop Cayman. These figures may have changed
slightly over the past 11 months since the accounts entered into the
public domain, but no additional investment has been secured by the
owners, and there remains no doubt that the overall debt is escalating
to a point whereby negative equity will very soon come into effect, if
not already a reality.

In addition to this, the club's ongoing ability to service such a debt
has become highly unsustainable. Improving sponsorship income is
relatively insignificant, and the only measure which could have
significantly supported this level of borrowing - the building of a
new stadium - has not in over 3 years, proceeded beyond architectural
renders, the apparent cost of which, an obscene £50m, has also been
put on the club's balance sheet. Against this backdrop of
unserviceable loans and gross financial misconduct, it is therefore no
surprise that the club's auditors, KPMG, have for the second year
running raised red flags, expressing "material uncertainty about
(the club's) ability to continue operating as a going concern". A
damning indictment that instigated the Premier League to demand that
the club's newly-installed Chairman, Martin Broughton (more on him
later), appear before their Chief Executive and Board of Directors in
person to provide verbal assurances that the club would in fact be
able to meet its fixture list for the forthcoming 2010-11 season.
Leaving aside the embarrassment, it is not difficult to see the
Premier League's perspective. The phrase "living hand to mouth"
springs to mind.

Forgive my stating the obvious to a senior professional banker at this
point, but it is purely to set up and illustrate a point. Like any
borrowings, the conditions for obtaining a credit facility of this
type is based on the financial background of the individuals in
question, their existing commitments, the value of the purchased
asset, and in the case of refinancing, I would imagine their recent
history and behaviour when it comes to servicing the existing loan,
and any others held by them. Which brings us to Tom Hicks.


Lies
Liverpool fans and credible media (both UK and global) are clear in
that Tom Hicks tells lies. The list is a long one but here is the
latest relevant example, provoked by the condemnation by the club's
former Chairman who deeply regrets selling to Hicks and Gillett. You
can view it online at the following URL, together with valid
deconstruction, here:http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/Tom-Hicks-_-You-Couldn-sss-t-Make-It-Up-(Well-Actually,-Tom-Can).html

So, in addition to his established propensity for lies, l wish to
address the basis for the latest extension of the RBS facility, which
was conditional on the agreement that the club be officially put up
for sale, with Hicks conceding to step back from the process in order
to realise a quick transfer of ownership. This agreement was ratified
by the appointment of the aforementioned Martin Broughton, who has
confirmed that his is a short-term part-time role, the sole remit of
which is to find and approve an appropriate buyer for the club at a
fair market price. It is not difficult to assume therefore that his
appointment was at RBS' express request, via an intermediary third
party. "Within months" was Mr Brougton's statement on the timescale
for sale, upon taking up the position in April.

However, since then, there have been numerous interview quotes from
Hicks, arrogant and belligerent as ever, claiming that irrespective of
the 'For Sale' announcement, he will continue demand up to a totally
unrealistic £800m for the club and that he is willing to prolong the
situation and take up to two years to sell. He is even boasting in the
US media about how profitable Liverpool FC will be for him, all
bluster designed to divert attention from the harsh reality that he is
in financial dire straits and has been for some time. These comments
are clearly a stark contradiction of those reassurances he provided
the RBS with, and thus render them meaningless. Like us, the fans, you
are being lied to. It is not difficult to surmise that Hicks'
agreement to sell was simply a ploy to obtain 'breathing space' -
which you duly obliged with, at least verbally - in which to further
his agenda of financial pillage, possibly even petty revenge (on the
fans who have rightly not allowed him to act without accountability,
the "terrible personal price" he often complains about) but ultimately
a desire to seek personal profit whatever the cost to the club, or its
creditors.


Cowboys
Talking of creditors, what surely must be of even greater concern to
the RBS, is the eerily similar situation Hicks finds himself in with
his US sporting assets, the Dallas Stars and the Texas Rangers. In
April 2009, Hicks willingly allowed both clubs (operated by Hicks
Sports Group) to default on $525m loan, a premeditated decision that
Hicks himself insisted was a "negotiating tactic" designed to force
the banks to renegotiate the terms of the loan. I must try that line
myself next time I wake up one morning and take a sudden dislike to my
existing RBS mortgage rate, the one I happily agreed to on signing. In
fact, I would be, quite literally, betting my mortgage on the outcome
of that particular conversation.

Not content with just that small matter of defaulting on a half-
billion dollar loan, Hicks has now, as of a few weeks ago, forced the
Texas Rangers to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, following a
protracted and now stalemated sale process. Sound familiar? It gets
even worse, as although the Rangers owe $540m to their creditors, (the
majority secured against the club, the remainder against, yet again,
Hicks Sports Group, another part of Hicks Holdings LLC, the onus being
on the 'limited liability' aspect) under the terms of the sale
(preferred one of the two deals offered) that Hicks is trying to force
through, it seems the creditors only stand to receive $230m of the
$540m the club is being sold for. This has been extensively covered in
the US media and the facts verified. In which case, if I was sitting
in the RBS' shoes, I would have extreme concerns about Hicks
attempting the same financial sleight of hand, and asking myself
exactly what tangible assets the £237m loan I've provided is actually
secured against, given the paper trails of Hicks' myriad of limited
companies all end up offshore and with zero personal liability. Yes,
there is 'the club', but the owners are continuing to asset-strip
(sales of high value players required for ongoing success and
Champions League income, and the recent sacking of a highly-respected
manager who was outspoken in his condemnation of Hicks and Gillett's
ownership), siphon off funds and are unwilling to provide or accept
additional investment, all the while the value of the club is
depreciating along with the chances of realising the repayment on your
loan capital.

It should also be worth noting that latest reports this week state
that Hicks has yet again blocked any sale to two separate potential
buyers, simply on the basis of his wholly unrealistic asking price.
This adds considerable weight to the already strong opinion that,
unlike his co-owner George Gillett, Hicks has no intention of wanting
to sell the club. His asking price is said to include added valuation
for the future revenues generated by a stadium that he failed to
build, and that a new buyer will have to pay to build instead, a
stance that is as bizarre as it is illogical and which therefore
represents an insurmountable block to any sale, now or in the future.

Essentially, these actions speak, in fact, shout of a man whose
shameful conduct and objectionable character raises deeply concerning
questions about RBS' continuing exposure on this £237m loan and
subsequently, a very real threat to the continued existence of
Liverpool FC in its current status as one of Europe's leading football
clubs. This latest agreement for refinancing for up to 12 months,
ostensibly to allow a sales process to go through unimpaired and
without pressure, serves no-one's benefits except Tom Hicks. What will
be the excuse when he, as his history and substantial current evidence
suggests he will, sells off the prize assets, and files for bankruptcy
as per the Rangers, leaving the club in terminal financial decline or
worse, and with the RBS, the club's major creditor out of pocket? Not
to mention, the wider political consequences at allowing this to
happen unchallenged. Do not underestimate this last point, as this
matter is not an isolated one (the Glazer family's ownership - £1.2bn
of debt's worth - of Manchester United for example) but as with the
banking crisis that forced RBS to seek government bailout, you will
unfortunately be viewed as culpable through negligent inaction and
held to account.


Summary
And so to the crux of my expression of disgust and request for action.
Aside from the financial hand grenade that is currently being juggled,
the RBS and its majority shareholder HM Government have both a
collective financial and moral responsibility to ensure that such a
prestigious UK global export is not driven into unmanaged
administration and ruin by the stubborn and irresponsible actions of
two US nationals, one of whom in particular has a clear agenda and is
leveraged up to their neck in debt. By providing yet another loan
extension and/or refinance in order not to influence a sales process
(one that Hicks is clearly not committed to), the RBS and HM
Government are therefore willingly complicit in this unfolding
disaster, a fact which will not go unnoticed or unchallenged. I am
aware the Bank has provided the club with day-to-day banking services
for many years long predating the arrival of Hicks and Gillett, and I
only hope that this long-term relationship engenders a mutual desire
to see financial stability and success.

Fortunately, there is still an opportunity to halt this seemingly
inexorable decline. This can be achieved by withdrawing any existing
agreement to extend the loan effective immediately, essentially
foreclosing on the loan to Hicks and Gillett (as Kop Football Ltd)
secured against the club. Informal short-term administration by any
other name, would I assure you be welcomed by all Liverpool fans, if
it ensured the removal of the current owners. This action would then
allow Martin Broughton to facilitate the sale of the club quickly
(there remains many interested buyers out there at a realistic market
price, as Barclays Capital will attest) under your mandate without
veto or negative interference from Hicks.

By doing so, you will be sending out a strong and positive message
about supporting UK interests, corporate prudence and cleaning up
financial mismanagement, a message that all addressed recipients of
this letter, both at the RBS and the new Coalition Government, would
surely benefit from given their own past events and the current
financial climate. I'll sign off with an unfortunate but apt analogy
using another Liverpool-related world famous entity. This is a last
chance to steer a footballing Titanic hard to starboard to avoid a
looming and malevolent iceberg and towards a bright and prosperous
future. Actively ensuring the ship keeps to its current course,
however, is not an appropriate action and history will judge the RBS
accordingly.

I implore you on behalf of fellow Liverpool stakeholders, please act
now in the best interests of the club and indeed yourselves.

Yours faithfully,

(name withheld)
Former shareholder of Liverpool FC=
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #238 on: June 14, 2010, 10:58:15 am »
Come on lads/lasses. I've got to go and get on with the day now. I don't want to see this slipping off the front page by the time I get back. We all need to help out here.
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Re: FIGHT BACK. PART II... TAKING IT TO THE RBS....
« Reply #239 on: June 14, 2010, 11:11:46 am »
All done and dusted.
Rafa Benitez: "I'll always keep in my heart the good times I've had here, the strong and loyal support of the fans in the tough times and the love from Liverpool. I have no words to thank you enough for all these years and I am very proud to say that I was your manager. Thank you so much once more and always remember: You'll never walk alone."