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Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« on: March 29, 2010, 12:09:26 am »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/28/government-plan-football-clubs-fans

The government is to unveil radical proposals that would give football fans first option to buy their clubs when they were put up for sale and require clubs to hand over a stake of up to 25% to supporters' groups.

The ideas, due to be included in the Labour manifesto with a promise of action in the first year of a new government, are designed to give fans a far greater say in how their football clubs are run and overhaul the way the game is governed.

It is believed that No 10, which has been working secretly on the plans for weeks, has resolved to deliver concrete proposals to tackle growing public disquiet at the level of debt carried by some clubs, the ownership model of others and the dysfunctional structure of the Football Association.

The plans include:

• Requiring clubs to hand a stake of up to 25% to fans in recognition of their links with their local community.

• Implementing a change-of-control clause that would allow fans a window to put together a takeover of their club if it was up for sale or went into administration.

• Giving the football authorities a deadline to reform the FA and remove "vested interests" from the board, and streamline decision making.

• Introducing a unified system of governance that co-ordinates issues such as club ownership and youth development.

• Allowing professional leagues and the FA additional oversight of club takeovers.

The plans are likely to put Gordon Brown on a collision course with the Premier League, which has vigorously defended its free-market model in recent years, but he will claim that the proposals are for the good of the game.

Two policy ideas have emerged as frontrunners to improve supporter representation around the boardroom table, both of which would see fans taking a meaningful ownership stake in clubs.

Portsmouth's financial collapse, the outpouring of anger in response to the leveraged buyouts at Manchester United and Liverpool that loaded the clubs with combined debts of more than Ł1bn, and last week's shock resignation of the FA chief executive, Ian Watmore, in protest at the "vested interests" on the board are all understood to have persuaded the prime minister to act.

Reflecting the view that they will succeed in democratising ownership only if there is stronger leadership from the top, it will also set football a deadline of up to a year to overhaul its governance system.

Under the scheme to give fans a stake, supporters' trusts with elected representatives, audited accounts and Financial Services Authority recognition would be responsible for maintaining the link between clubs and their community and ensuring fans are not priced out of the game.

The government could, however, face legal challenges from existing owners over the dilution of their shares. It has echoes of the model proposed by the so-called Red Knights attempting to buy Manchester United. Wealthy fans will contribute 74.9% of the overall purchase price, but supporters will hold a "golden share" of just over 25%, giving them a blocking stake on any change of ownership and an influential boardroom voice.

Legal advice is being sought on the idea of a change of ownership at a club triggering a mandatory window for fans to take the opportunity to shape the ownership structure and buy the club at a price set by an external, independent auditor.

Under the proposals, fans would be free to set up their co-operative style model, shareholding trust or other structure that enabled them to have a say in the club.

While the government will reiterate that it has no desire to regulate football directly, the prime minister believes the democratisation of football club ownership taps into wider themes about the "mutualisation" of public services and the need for regulatory reform.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2010, 12:16:54 am »
bollocks. never happen.
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2010, 12:19:59 am »
If this is in true, then it's a decent starting point from the government. But I fear that the Premier league and individual clubs will be too powerful to let this go through. It's nice to see that the government seems to be taking an interest in this though, whatever their motives are.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 12:57:14 am »
Nice idea.


Never happen in a million years.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 01:55:38 am »
Good idea, it can happen.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 02:15:36 am »
I believe it.
It's not like it's one of those surreal vote winning ideas that comes out when there's an election due.

If it was remotely like one of them I'd be very sceptical about it's validity.
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 08:43:49 am »
I am extremely doubtful that this will happen in its current format, and in the short term under these proposals. However, I do think that the very fact it's been brought up will make any further dialogue on the matter a little more credible, and possibly lead to something later down the line.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 09:07:56 am »
Every match ticket should be equal to one share in the club. 

At least most people use their own money to buy them.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2010, 09:17:45 am »
Just trying to get a load of votes from Portsmouth, utd and Liverpool fans.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2010, 09:51:36 am »
They haven't even checked out the legal ramifications of what they're proposing and I suspect most of this will end up on the cutting room floor. A tightening of the fit and proper persons scrutiny is way over due and could be effected, though.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2010, 09:57:23 am »
well they've certainly got my vote if they implement that
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2010, 10:02:43 am »
well they've certainly got my vote if they implement that

I think you've just demonstrated the real scope for this proposal. Votes.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2010, 10:04:30 am »
I think you've just demonstrated the real scope for this proposal. Votes.

I honestly couldn't care less what their motivation is provided they have to deliver on it.
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2010, 10:13:30 am »
 
I believe it.
It's not like it's one of those surreal vote winning ideas that comes out when there's an election due.

If it was remotely like one of them I'd be very sceptical about it's validity.
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2010, 10:14:53 am »
labour have been in power for years, they could have done this at anytime, but they didn't.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2010, 10:37:36 am »
Wont this put British clubs at a disadvantage compared to our European rivals.  If owners have to "hand over" 25% of the club then there will be a lot less interest in investing in British football.  Also from LFC point of view the timing of this report is bad.  If I were Rhone group or whoever is looking at Liverpool now I would be inclined to wait until this is clarified up before thinking about investing.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2010, 10:39:35 am »
Wont this put British clubs at a disadvantage compared to our European rivals.  If owners have to "hand over" 25% of the club then there will be a lot less interest in investing in British football.  Also from LFC point of view the timing of this report is bad.  If I were Rhone group or whoever is looking at Liverpool now I would be inclined to wait until this is clarified up before thinking about investing.
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2010, 11:01:57 am »
How do you define a "fan of the club". Absolutely impossible to implement.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2010, 11:05:35 am »
cheap attempt to win the votes of idiots

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 11:08:28 am »
labour have been in power for years, they could have done this at anytime, but they didn't.

indeed, blatant electioneering. This should have all-party support anyway.


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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 11:10:16 am »
this can't be done and it won't be done

interference from government in the running of football = fifa sanctions which means = national team suspended and no world cup

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 12:31:59 pm »
A fresh idea from Labour our just a cheap trick to get votes off those working class oik's. Most likely the latter. If it did come in  it would be pretty amazing though.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2010, 01:01:48 pm »
Labour wont be in charge to make such changes.......they may as well say "free 1 month exotic 5 star holiday for everyone,every month"......Sidenote : who the fuck do they think they are borrowing so much of this countrys future earnings...fucking pisses me off : RANTOVER

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2010, 01:02:14 pm »
labour have been in power for years, they could have done this at anytime, but they didn't.



Oweners inbdebting clubs on this scale wasnt an issue until recently, nor was clubs going into administration. Its all a relativly new phenomenon.
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2010, 01:13:07 pm »
It's a start.

The anti -G&H and Glazer campaigns have always had two huge hurdles to overcome.

1.Owners out isnt enough, you have to have someone to take their place financially competent to take over
2. The new owners have to be demonstrably different from the old ones in motivation and operation.

These proposals go some way towards starting to change things.
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2010, 01:27:09 pm »
It's a start.

The anti -G&H and Glazer campaigns have always had two huge hurdles to overcome.

1.Owners out isnt enough, you have to have someone to take their place financially competent to take over
2. The new owners have to be demonstarbly different from the old ones in motivation and operation.

These proposals go some way towards starting to change things.

Also it shows that the protest campaigns have succeeded in their objective of highlighting the problem to people outside of football and even in government.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2010, 05:21:17 pm »
Seriously though, this is something that may have an adverse affect on the current negotiations. I bet Purslow is cursing!!
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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2010, 08:44:28 pm »
Also it shows that the protest campaigns have succeeded in their objective of highlighting the problem to people outside of football and even in government.

And maybe if not this proposal something else. At least it moves the debate forward.

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Re: Government's plan to fix football: give clubs back to fans
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2010, 11:03:10 pm »
I believe it.
It's not like it's one of those surreal vote winning ideas that comes out when there's an election due.

If it was remotely like one of them I'd be very sceptical about it's validity.
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