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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #960 on: September 22, 2010, 09:58:16 pm »
Surely the MLB would not let him buy the club back?
This refers to the Stars not the Rangers who now have greenberg as the owner?
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« Reply #961 on: September 22, 2010, 10:08:39 pm »
Any news on whether Hicks sold that land in the end, or held onto it?



Land was his as of one hour before the auction when it was removed from the deals. Not seen anything about it being sold since.
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #962 on: September 27, 2010, 08:53:16 pm »

The Rangers ink a 20-year, $3 billion TV deal

Craig Calcaterra

Sep. 27, 2010, 1:58 PM ET

It's going to be hilarious when FOX executives realize that the contract they just signed was with the Rangers, not the Cowboys or Vivid Video or something else more marketable than baseball is thought to be:


    The Texas Rangers, who clinched their first division title in 11 years over the weekend, just might start making this an annual routine considering their giant financial windfall.

    The Rangers, cash-strapped for years with owner Tom Hicks, have signed a 20-year extension with Fox Sports Southwest that will guarantee them $3 billion.

$150 million a year!  To put that in perspective, the Dodgers get about $ 45 million a year from FOX. The Yankees get less than $100 million from YES (though, obviously, they own a big chunk of the network so it's not apples-apples). I doubt any team currently gets anything like $150 million from a non-affiliated network.

Two questions that immediately spring to mind in light of this deal:

    * Is it any wonder why so many people were willing to jump into protracted litigation to get a piece of this team? and

    * How bad a businessman is Tom Hicks if he couldn't make the Rangers solvent with that kind of scratch available?

Whatever the case, with this TV deal, the Rangers shouldn't be lumped in with the mid-market teams going forward. They should be considered a high-dollar player the moment the first check comes in.

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« Reply #963 on: September 27, 2010, 10:31:19 pm »
That's a lot of money

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #964 on: September 28, 2010, 01:09:58 am »
The Rangers ink a 20-year, $3 billion TV deal...

Two questions that immediately spring to mind in light of this deal:

    * Is it any wonder why so many people were willing to jump into protracted litigation to get a piece of this team? and

    * How bad a businessman is Tom Hicks if he couldn't make the Rangers solvent with that kind of scratch available?




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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #965 on: September 28, 2010, 05:04:36 am »

    * How bad a businessman is Tom Hicks if he couldn't make the Rangers solvent with that kind of scratch available?


Hick's doesn't own the rangers anymore. He sold the club, or rather was forced to sell by the banks and courts to another consortium led by baseball legend Noel Ryan.

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #966 on: September 28, 2010, 10:03:53 am »
Whoosh?
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« Reply #967 on: September 28, 2010, 10:33:16 am »
If Hicks was still in charge he would raise a loan against that TV deal...its would probably cover 1.5bn or so, and then he would put that into his pocket and leave the team where it is.

With him gone they have some chance.  This year they hav made the playoffs.

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #968 on: October 1, 2010, 05:11:24 pm »

Hick's doesn't own the rangers anymore. He sold the club, or rather was forced to sell by the banks and courts to another consortium led by baseball legend Noel Ryan.

Its Nolan Ryan ;)   But yes, Hicks is out of the Rangers and they make the playoffs and win their division for the first time in 11 years. 

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« Reply #969 on: October 1, 2010, 07:56:47 pm »
I love this....
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #970 on: October 11, 2010, 10:30:36 pm »
Bidding on Dallas Stars stalls
David Shoalts
From Monday's Globe and Mail
Published Sunday, Oct. 10, 2010 9:50PM EDT
Last updated Sunday, Oct. 10, 2010 11:28PM EDT

Tom Hicks is having trouble selling the Dallas Stars because of an all-too-familiar problem.

The owner of the NHL team is in the same boat as a lot of homeowners in the United States – the money he owes is greater than the value of his asset. As a result, prospective buyers are slamming on the brakes, the latest being Calgary oil man Bill Gallacher, although he is said to have his own issues.

Hicks’s asset in this case is the Stars and a 50-per-cent interest in the American Airlines Center. The Stars and his baseball team, the Texas Rangers, went on the block when Hicks’s company defaulted on $525-million (all currency U.S.) in bank loans last April. Hicks is also in the glue for a similar amount with Liverpool, the soccer team he co-owns with George Gillett.

According to a couple of insiders, the sale of the Stars and the arena has become bogged down because Hicks is demanding too much money for them. He is holding out for more than they are worth (one source said $450-million is a number being bandied about) because he needs to pay off his bankers.

The trouble is, the recent sale of a few NHL franchises is not helping the Stars’ price tag. The NHL bought the Phoenix Coyotes out of bankruptcy for $140-million and Jeffrey Vinik scooped up the Tampa Bay Lightning for $100-million in cash.

Where those involved once expected the sale to be done by the start of the NHL season, January is now more likely.

At this point, it is not clear just who is left among the bidders, aside from Vancouver businessman Tom Gaglardi. Gallacher was recently reported to have dropped out but a Stars source said Tuesday he could resurface. Gallacher did not respond to a request for comment.

A couple of sources said Gallacher has some problems that could put a dent in his financial health. One is the launch of Athabasca Oil Sands Corp., which he founded and which was supposed to be a big score.

It was flying high in early April after the initial public offering brought in $1.35-billion (Canadian) with shares selling for $18 each. But when the company went on the public markets, the share price fell into a crater. By last Tuesday, shares were selling for $10.90, as a lot of the original investors dumped their shares when the price failed to rise above the IPO.

Doug Miller, who owns a Dallas oil and gas company and the Allen Americans, the Stars’ Central Hockey League affiliate, was said to be head of one of two local groups vying for the team. He also came close to buying the Stars in 2002 when Hicks briefly put them up for sale. But Miller said Tuesday that “I’m not even looking at it.” He said the prices he was hearing were too high for one thing and for another, few banks are willing to finance the purchase of sports teams these days. Miller also said partners with real money are scarce.

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #971 on: October 11, 2010, 11:57:47 pm »
According to a couple of insiders, the sale of the Stars and the arena has become bogged down because Hicks is demanding too much money for them.

I find that hard to believe...
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #972 on: October 15, 2010, 05:00:51 pm »
could people please keep his financial status updated, i want to hear him being ripped apart over the 70m he owes from the lfc loss and other losses

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #973 on: October 16, 2010, 11:15:48 am »
Sale of Liverpool soccer team another loss for Tom Hicks

12:00 AM CDT on Saturday, October 16, 2010

By ERIC TORBENSON, GARY JACOBSON and BRENDAN CASE / The Dallas Morning News

Tom Hicks lost his soccer team Friday after pulling his own legal punches, allowing the Liverpool Football Club's board to sell the storied franchise out from under him.

It's the latest humiliation in sports ownership for Hicks, who appears to be on his way to losing more than $300 million on his soccer, baseball and hockey teams.

"If he is not the least successful sports team owner in the 21st century, he is certainly in close competition," said Andrew Zimbalist, a Smith College economics professor who has studied the business of sports. "Normally it is not easy to lose money owning a sports franchise."

Hicks punted on his last-ditch effort to stop the Liverpool sale Friday morning, asking a Texas judge to dissolve a restraining order won Wednesday.

He also dropped – for the moment – a damages lawsuit that had sought $1.6 billion from the club's directors and from the bank that he claims conspired to boot him out of town.

"I feel very betrayed," he said of the way Liverpool was sold without his approval.

Hicks is set to lose more than $100 million on the deal, according to the team's chairman. New England Sports Ventures, owners of the Boston Red Sox, bought the team in a deal valued at about $475 million.

It could have been far different. Hicks said he had what he called "serious negotiations" this summer with Middle Eastern investors for a deal that valued the team at about $960 million.

Liverpool was supposed to be wallet redemption for Hicks, whose fortunes as a professional team owner have gone from unlucky to unfortunate to unwatchable.

Overleveraged and underwhelming on the grass and ice, Hicks-owned franchises in the past decade haven't seen much champagne sprayed in the locker rooms.

After selling Liverpool and the Texas Rangers this year, he's down to just the Dallas Stars hockey team, which provided him his only championship.

Hobbled by the Great Recession in 2008, Hicks' finances weighed down his sports teams like cement shoes. Major League Baseball took over the Rangers when Hicks couldn't meet payroll. And Liverpool's debt forced Hicks to the bargaining table to try to sell the team or to refinance the debt.

The Dallas financier, 64, will have to add the Liverpool losses to "a couple of hundred million" he said he'd lose on the Rangers and Stars. All told, that would put him down more than $300 million as a pro sports owner.

The Rangers opened the American League Championship Series against the New York Yankees in Arlington on Friday. Starting against them at third base was ex-Ranger Alex Rodriguez, whose $250 million contract with the team transformed Hicks into a poster child for overspending.

There's more salt for that wound: The Rangers still owe A-Rod $24.9 million, courtesy of Hicks' decision to have the team cover much of the huge contract when Rodriguez was shipped to New York in 2004. Hicks said he planned to watch the game in person Friday night.

High expectations

After buying the Liverpool team in 2007, Hicks expected the English Premier League club to soar in value. He and fellow American George Gillett bought the team for nearly 220 million pounds, which at the time was worth about $440 million but would only be about $350 million at current exchange rates.

Earlier this year, Hicks said profits from selling Liverpool would make up for losses on the Rangers and Stars.

Sports valuation publications such as Forbes thought Liverpool should fetch a substantially higher price – as much as $675 million – than what New England Sports Ventures paid, even though the team is struggling and Hicks was scrambling.

New Liverpool owner John Henry didn't mince words in taking the helm Friday. "There's a lot of work to be done to get this club to where it needs to be," he said in an interview posted on the team's website.

Instead of having debt payments of up to $48 million a year as Hicks faced, the new ownership group will pay $3.2 million to $4.8 million annually, freeing up cash to improve the team.

Club chairman Martin Broughton said the team's new owners "understand about winning."

That summed up the vitriol from Liverpool backers who launched a sort of jihad against Hicks and Gillett to get them out of the English Premier League.

"We just want what's best for the club," said Tony Godfrey of Fort Worth, one of four Liverpool fans to attend a hearing in Dallas District Court on Friday morning where Hicks capitulated. "Look what Mr. Henry has done with the Red Sox."

A virtual mob of fans flooded the inboxes of bankers and institutions that made contact with Hicks about helping him refinance his debt.

A sample message sent to Macquarie Group, an Australian bank Thursday night: "Be aware that if you are involved with any refinancing by Tom Hicks regarding Liverpool Football Club, we will be forced to, as a united and well-informed group of supporters, target your assets in any place over the world."

Hicks said the persistent e-mail campaign spooked his talks with Blackstone Group LP about refinancing the debt.

"Blackstone was targeted by Internet terrorists," Hicks said. "It absolutely had an impact on them."

Ventures continue

But Hicks' losses on sports ownership don't mean he's done as a businessman by any stretch.

His special purpose acquisition companies – essentially a company where shareholders give Hicks money to buy and run a company – continue to interest Wall Street.

His first such company, now called Resolute Energy Corp., shows on-paper gains of $100 million for Hicks and his executives.

This week, his second acquisition raised $150 million in a public offering. This deal could also be lucrative for Hicks if he completes an acquisition by mid-2012.

"We were very pleased with the result," Hicks said. "We have a good private equity group."

As for Liverpool, Hicks says he's just getting started on a legal strategy.

An English court's ruling on Thursday prevented Hicks' lawyers from pursing their Texas strategy that aimed to wrangle the case from across the Atlantic.

To ensure Hicks didn't violate that order, he pulled back the legal action in front of state District Judge Jim Jordan, who seemed wary of Hicks' attempts to ask for relief that English courts had denied. Hicks reserves the right to bring suit again.

"This is the first skirmish in a long battle," he said. "People can't do what they did."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-hicks_16bus.ART.State.Edition1.337e0e8.html
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #974 on: October 16, 2010, 11:42:19 am »
How a man, can totally mess up not only on one front, but on FOUR fronts, Corinthians, Texas Rangers, Liverpool FC and Dallas Stars is beyond me. It's down to poor management and poor BUSINESS on his part in that he obviously isn't as intelligent a businessman as he claims to be.



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« Reply #975 on: October 16, 2010, 03:08:39 pm »
He is intelligent and he is a businessman or else he would not have  been able to trick the idiots to sell those businesses to him in the first place

Hicks made one mistake that left him out of pocket, he chose the wrong time to sell and it cost him and lfc, if he took that offer of DIC, he would have walked away witha round a 40m pound profit and left pretty much with his head high at lfc with a lot more respect

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« Reply #976 on: October 16, 2010, 04:18:39 pm »

"If he is not the least successful sports team owner in the 21st century, he is certainly in close competition," said Andrew Zimbalist, a Smith College economics professor who has studied the business of sports. "Normally it is not easy to lose money owning a sports franchise."


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« Reply #977 on: October 16, 2010, 04:20:57 pm »
He is intelligent and he is a businessman or else he would not have  been able to trick the idiots to sell those businesses to him in the first place

Hicks made one mistake that left him out of pocket, he chose the wrong time to sell and it cost him and lfc, if he took that offer of DIC, he would have walked away witha round a 40m pound profit and left pretty much with his head high at lfc with a lot more respect

To be fair, there were never any confirmed bids by DIC...only rumors in the papers. We don't know for a fact who they spoke to or what was offered.

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #978 on: October 20, 2010, 07:36:21 pm »
Here’s Your Hat, Don’t Hurry

-Sports fans in two countries bid a not-so-fond farewell to Hicks ownership




What the Texas Rangers have done this year is nothing short of amazing. They won a playoff series for the first time ever and are now playing the New York Yankees for the American League pennant and a chance to go to the World Series. All done with one of the smallest payrolls in baseball; young, inexperienced players; and of course, the major distraction of the front office filing for bankruptcy.

However far the Rangers make it in the playoffs the best news for fans of this team is that owner Tom Hicks is gone.   (:lmao )  Gone is all that debt he piled on the team. Gone is an owner whose financial problems meant they couldn’t even afford hats or balls for the team. And gone is a guy who blamed everyone else for the mess he created, while at the same time expecting fans to empty their wallets for the honor of watching a game in Arlington.

Soccer fans have experienced some of the same Hicks-induced mess in England. Hicks and a partner bought the Liverpool Football Club in 2007 on borrowed money and made all sorts of promises. A new stadium would be built, funds for signing great players would be available, and this tradition-rich team — it’s been around for 118 years — would contend for the Premier League title.

But last week, Liverpudlians took matters into their own hands and ousted Hicks. He owed more than $500 million to a British bank, and the money was due in mid-October. Hicks had been trying to sell the team but wanted to make a huge profit. He was asking for about $1 billion, but there were no serious takers, based on all the team debt. The team’s board of directors made the decision to sell to New England Sports Ventures (owner of baseball’s Boston Red Sox) for about $500 million without Hicks’ approval. A British court ruled the sale was legal.

Of course he didn’t just lie down and admit that maybe he was to blame for the devaluation of this storied soccer team. Hicks actually went to state district court here in Fort Worth last week and tried to get an injunction to block the sale. After that failed, he has hinted that he will sue the team for up to $1.6 billion in damages.

Last week he called the move to sell the team to NESV an “organized conspiracy” based on an “internet terrorism campaign.” (He said fans were using Twitter and e-mails to pressure banks not to refinance those big loans.) Hicks said he was “shocked” by the sale and “cannot understand the fans’ anger.”

It’s not hard to understand the Liverpool fans’ fury. This is a team with a history of winning: 18 Premier League championships and five European Cup wins. But this year they’re in 19th place out of 20 teams in the league and could be bounced to a lower-level league if their woes continue on the soccer pitch.

In a letter to Hicks posted on a web site, Liverpool fan Rohan Kallicharan summed up the fans’ feelings. “You drove us into debt, you drove good men out of the club, you made us a laughingstock to others who disparage us,” he wrote. “However, you never broke our spirit, our commitment, and our love for Liverpool Football Club.”

What Hicks did was use his sports teams — Liverpool, the Rangers, and the Dallas Stars — as collateral to borrow about $1 billion. There is little evidence that he spent much of that on his teams. What he did use the money for is not known, but he put his teams in financial disarray, and that usually leads to losing records. Sports fans can put up with a lot, but using their teams as the owner’s personal cash cow isn’t one of them.

The Dallas Stars hockey team is on the block now, and some of the same Hicksian problems are surfacing there as well. Reports say he is asking too much, and the team’s heavy debt load is scaring off buyers. Local hockey fans are biting their nails as they wait to see how all this plays out.

But maybe Stars fans can look to Liverpool and Arlington for some hope. New owners for those clubs have supporters thinking that consistently wining teams might now a possibility. For Rangers fans, the irony is that the first playoff series win in their history came just months after they got rid of the guy who had been dragging the team down for years. Maybe all the courtroom sales drama and years of baseball on the cheap were worth it: Hicks was their cross to bear, and now that he’s been lifted off their shoulders, it’s a fine feeling.


http://www.fwweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4278:heres-your-hat-dont-hurry&catid=3:second-thought&Itemid=374




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« Reply #979 on: October 20, 2010, 08:23:21 pm »
NHL Gives The Dallas Stars An $8 Million Bailout
Kevin Baumer | Oct. 20, 2010, 10:46 AM

The Hockey News reports that the NHL has been forced to dole out $8 million from its pool of revenue sharing and television money to keep the floundering Dallas Stars franchise afloat.

The Stars, off to an impressive 4-1-0 start this season, are playing essentially without an owner. The instability surrounding the team combined with its struggles on the ice in recent years have turned fans off to the once very popular franchise.

On Saturday night the Stars were only able to draw 11,750 fans to the American Airlines Center for their game against the St. Louis Blues, the smallest crowd the Stars have ever played in front of in Dallas.

This isn't the first time the NHL has had to come to the aid of a franchise in limbo—it's been pumping money into the Phoenix Coyotes for years. But the Stars enjoyed a tremendous amount of success in Dallas after moving from Minnesota in the early 1990s and were perhaps the only southern-based NHL team that appeared to have found a truly sustainable hockey market.

Owner Tom Hicks' sports empire has been crumbling and he has been working feverishly to spin off his other professional sports teams, the Texas Rangers and Liverpool FC.  THN's Ken Campbell says that the NHL and others responsible for selling the Stars have only themselves to blame for crushing the Stars' fan base.  The original asking price of $300 million is well above what anyone is willing to pay for the team and as a result many of the best choices for potential new owners have turned away from negotiations. So instead of re-claiming its dwindling fan base, Dallas continues to alienate its followers and there's still no end in sight.


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« Reply #980 on: October 20, 2010, 08:42:43 pm »
That last paragraph kind of says it all really. ^^

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« Reply #981 on: October 21, 2010, 09:28:28 pm »
New Rangers Owner Talks Wiping Away the Hicks Stink
By Noah Davis on October 21, 2010 3:05 PM

The Texas Rangers sit on the brink of the World Series and The New York Times‘ Richard Sandomir caught up with owner Chuck Greenberg for a quick Q&A. It’s a pretty bland interview – with a nice detail about fellow owner Nolan Ryan – but one part caught our eye.

Greenberg and Ryan purchased the team from Tom Hicks – the very same man involved in the Liverpool mess. Sandomir asked, “Does this season wipe away the Hicks years? The answer:

    What we’ve done is wipe out a lot of myths that have persisted for a long time. There was a myth you couldn’t pitch in Rangers Ballpark. Gone. That it was too hot. Gone. That we couldn’t hit on the road. Gone. That we couldn’t win in New York. Gone. For a long time, this franchise, for one reason or another, has suffered from a case of mistaken identity.

Liverpool fans, there is hope.

http://www.mediabistro.com/sportsnewser/new-rangers-owner-talks-wiping-away-the-hicks-stink_b2357


Tom Hicks and His Attorneys Haven't Filed Suit in England. Yet. But Also "Haven't Given Up."
By Robert Wilonsky, Thu., Oct. 21 2010 @ 2:17PM

​Following Friday's hearing at the George Allen, Tom Hicks's attorney in the Liverpool FC case, Fish & Richardson's Steve Stodghill, issued a press release announcing that Hicks and George Gillett's attorneys would "apply all of their legal energies toward securing at least $1.6 billion in damages they expect will result from the proposed illegal sale of the Liverpool Football Club" to New England Sports Ventures. Hicks repeated as much in an interview with SkyNews over the weekend, in which he said he's "devastated," and a suit's a-comin', no doubt. Question was, and remains: Like, when?

That's what the Liverpool Echo wants to know today, as the High Court delays proceedings over legal costs whilst awaiting further news from Dallas. But so far, nothing. U.K. attorneys repping the Royal Bank of Scotland say they ain't heard a peep: "We have no idea whether these allegations are being followed up. There has been radio silence over what their position is." So, then. Let's ask Fish & Richardson principal Tom Melsheimer, one of Hicks's Dallas attorneys: Any idea when you'll file suit in England?

"We really don't," he tells Unfair Park. "I 'm not trying to be funny. There's a lot going on over there, there's a lot to consider over here. We're evaluating what our legal rights and opportunities are, and I'm hopeful that'll reach some resolution sooner than later. Dealing with the U.K. proceedings and any potential U.S. proceedings is complex. I don't think anything is imminent -- in terms of, say, tomorrow. Certainly, we haven't given up. Let's leave it at that."

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2010/10/tom_hicks_and_his_attorneys_ha.php
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #982 on: October 21, 2010, 09:32:37 pm »
He is intelligent and he is a businessman or else he would not have  been able to trick the idiots to sell those businesses to him in the first place

Hicks made one mistake that left him out of pocket, he chose the wrong time to sell and it cost him and lfc, if he took that offer of DIC, he would have walked away witha round a 40m pound profit and left pretty much with his head high at lfc with a lot more respect

His mistake was to dabble in a field that was outside his experience and let his ego get in the way of business sense. 
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« Reply #983 on: October 21, 2010, 09:41:00 pm »
He is intelligent and he is a businessman or else he would not have  been able to trick the idiots to sell those businesses to him in the first place

Hicks made one mistake that left him out of pocket, he chose the wrong time to sell and it cost him and lfc, if he took that offer of DIC, he would have walked away witha round a 40m pound profit and left pretty much with his head high at lfc with a lot more respect

No, Hicks made a more simple mistake than that, he borrowed money.

Lets imagine him and Gillett paid fot the club with cash, £110 million each.

That would havent meant no money going out of the club in interest, and that could have instead been spent on players or the stadium, either which would have boosted the value of the club past the £300 million it eventually went for. So thats a minimum £40 million profit each over three and a half years, and had the stadium been built or we won more silverwear, considerably more.


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« Reply #984 on: October 21, 2010, 09:57:00 pm »
What Hicks did was use his sports teams — Liverpool, the Rangers, and the Dallas Stars — as collateral to borrow about $1 billion. There is little evidence that he spent much of that on his teams. What he did use the money for is not known, but he put his teams in financial disarray,

Epic swindle.

Good read that Jack, thanks. Hope the Dallas Stars fans get their team back soon too.
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #985 on: October 21, 2010, 10:58:37 pm »
Epic swindle.

Good read that Jack, thanks. Hope the Dallas Stars fans get their team back soon too.

Alan_F said something before the sale about forgetting about G&H once the sale is done, as much as I respect Alans opinion, I think its totally wrong. We should chase the bastards to the ends of the Earth. If they try and buy a club in outer Mongolia we should be over them like a swarm of bees. No one should have to go through what we went through for the last three and a half years.
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #986 on: October 21, 2010, 11:27:09 pm »
Alan_F said something before the sale about forgetting about G&H once the sale is done, as much as I respect Alans opinion, I think its totally wrong. We should chase the bastards to the ends of the Earth. If they try and buy a club in outer Mongolia we should be over them like a swarm of bees. No one should have to go through what we went through for the last three and a half years.
I completely agree

How did we ever get ourselves involved with this guy!  It really brings tears to my eyes how close we came to the end of our great club as we know it!
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #987 on: October 22, 2010, 07:58:38 am »
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What Hicks did was use his sports teams — Liverpool, the Rangers, and the Dallas Stars — as collateral to borrow about $1 billion. There is little evidence that he spent much of that on his teams. What he did use the money for is not known, but he put his teams in financial disarray,


makes it sound as if he siphoned money out. I thought what he spent the $1 billion on was buying the teams. Did the teams' purchase price add up to less than $1 billion? Or is this simply lazy journalism?

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« Reply #988 on: October 26, 2010, 08:24:46 pm »
In Other Rangers News, Mark Cuban and Jim Crane Still Fighting to Get Their Bid Refund
By Robert Wilonsky, Tue., Oct. 26 2010 @ 11:54AM

​A few weeks back we noticed that Mark Cuban and Jim Crane wanted their millions back for trying to buy the Texas Rangers out from under Chuck Greenberg and Nolan Ryan (and Ray Davis and Bob Simpson). Long story short: Cuban and Crane, as Radical Pitch LLC, figured they're owed a refund since they drove up the team's price tag from $493.5 million to $593 million, with which the creditors oughta be delighted. Those fer and agin the request were to file their say-sos with the court by the end of last week.

The so-called Ad Hoc Group of First Lien Lenders, led by New York-based Monarch Alternative Capital, is totally fine with Cuban and Crane's request -- so much so that, per the Texas Rangers Baseball Partners Information site set up upon Hicks Sports Group's voluntary Chapter 11 filing on May 24, they filed in Fort Worth bankruptcy court a statement in support of their demands. Among their reasons:

    In addition to the increase in the gross sales price by nearly $100 million, the participation of the Applicants further permitted TRBP's bankruptcy case to proceed expeditiously to confirmation without additional expensive, protracted confirmation litigation, which would certainly have ensued had TRBP failed to hold a competitive auction for the sale of the Texas Rangers baseball team.

The second-lien lenders, however, have filed with the court an objection to the duo's request. Says a doc filed last week:

    That auction was instrumental in maximizing the recoveries for the benefit of the estate and resulted in an increase to the purchase price of approximately $100 million.3 However, notwithstanding the success of the auction to the Debtors' estates, an unsuccessful bidder that participated in the auction is not entitled to reimbursement of its fees and expenses pursuant to section 503(b) of the Bankruptcy Code.

Cuban, of course, bought up $5 million in the Rangers' second-lien debt prior to the bankruptcy filing in May. There was a status conference yesterday in Judge Michael Lynn's court, but hearings on the request aren't scheduled till November.

In related news, Tom Hicks will be at Game One tomorrow night in San Francisco. Says he to Richard Durrett regarding the team's success thus far:

    "I'm happy, but it's bittersweet. There's no denying that. "I tried the last few years to pay of HSG's debt, but the only way to do it was to sell the teams. I never thought it would turn into the fight in court, but I wonder what might have happened had we not done what we did in June."

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #989 on: October 26, 2010, 10:09:55 pm »
Alan_F said something before the sale about forgetting about G&H once the sale is done, as much as I respect Alans opinion, I think its totally wrong. We should chase the bastards to the ends of the Earth. If they try and buy a club in outer Mongolia we should be over them like a swarm of bees. No one should have to go through what we went through for the last three and a half years.

Once the threat of the court case is gone the c*nt can fuck of as far as I'm concerned and I have no interest in what he does. Despite the claims, there wasn't clear and unambiguous evidence about Hicks when he bought Liverpool (Hicks didn't destroy Corinthians fro example) but anyone who decides to let Hicks near their club now deserves everything they get.

If Hicks goes bankrupt (which is highly unlikely) I'll take a minute out of my day to raise a glass but other than that, I won't waste any more of my time on him.

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #990 on: October 27, 2010, 11:00:40 am »
I'm trying to digest the piece ali posted: a debtor is in favour of a failed bidder being paid costs because they drove the price up? Does this not encourage those who sell sports clubs to believe that they can enter an unofficial agreement with a bidder in order to drive up a price because the failed bidder will retrieve costs? What implication would that have for the integrity of the process and what light, if any, does it shed on Hicks' and Mill's coordinated interventions in our sale?

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« Reply #991 on: October 28, 2010, 01:29:04 am »
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What Hicks did was use his sports teams — Liverpool, the Rangers, and the Dallas Stars — as collateral to borrow about $1 billion. There is little evidence that he spent much of that on his teams. What he did use the money for is not known, but he put his teams in financial disarray,

Yep.

Would love there to be a proper investigation. 

Obviously, we fans have no legal grounds to complain that we've been defrauded (even though, morally, we have).  But I'd love some of these lenders to grow a pair and actually thoroughly go through all the books.  And to share all their findings with IRS etc.


makes it sound as if he siphoned money out. I thought what he spent the $1 billion on was buying the teams. Did the teams' purchase price add up to less than $1 billion? Or is this simply lazy journalism?

I think the teams added up to much less than he paid. Dont have the US teams figures to hand, but to buy LFC for £220m, they arranged a loan of £298m.  A year later they increased that to £350m.  Obviously they didnt draw down all of that.  But I think their peak borrowing re LFC was around £290m ish.  ie £70m more than they paid.  Even when RBS insisted that the debt be reduced, it was still almost £20m more than they paid.




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« Reply #992 on: October 28, 2010, 01:40:41 am »
I'm trying to digest the piece ali posted: a debtor is in favour of a failed bidder being paid costs because they drove the price up? Does this not encourage those who sell sports clubs to believe that they can enter an unofficial agreement with a bidder in order to drive up a price because the failed bidder will retrieve costs? What implication would that have for the integrity of the process and what light, if any, does it shed on Hicks' and Mill's coordinated interventions in our sale?

I aint sure, but maybe it's connected to all that pushing and shoving about who had the right to be the stalking horse in the auction.

Greenberg's lot was originally marked as the preferred bidder.  That status meant that any rival had to outbid them by a certain amount (on the first bid) and that they would get compensated (a few million) for the costs of putting their bid together if someone else won.

I think the other lot argued that they should have been treated as the best starting bid, and therefore should get all those perks.  Maybe this is still a continuation of that.


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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #993 on: November 12, 2010, 03:49:29 pm »
Article from the Dallas morning news.
Hick's still in the shite..

Heika: Tom Hicks 'really doesn't own the team (Stars) anymore'

09:50 PM CST on Tuesday, November 9, 2010

DMN Stars beat writer Mike Heika answered your questions in his weekly e-mail newsletter - Inside the Dallas Stars. Here are some highlights.

Melissa N. asks ... I don’t understand the sale situation. So Tom Hicks sells off the Rangers and look what they attain. Couldn’t the same results be achieved if he would divest himself of the Stars? Why hasn’t Tom Hicks sold this team?

HEIKA: Hey Melissa it is fairly complicated. The deal is this:

 Hicks Sports Group borrowed $525 million to help purchase and run the Stars and Rangers. It defaulted on that loan in March of 2009. As such, several lenders became the owners of the Stars and the Rangers. The group of lenders is estimated at 40, because several parts of the loans were sold by banks to hedge funds who are now are trying to make a profit off of those deals.

  The Rangers and MLB forced the sale of the baseball team in an organized bankruptcy case in the summer, and it was sorted out in a very complicated and expensive trial. However, the lenders have taken a different approach with the Stars. Because the environment to sell a hockey team is very bad right now (Phoenix, Tampa  Bay and Atlanta have been sold or are being sold for what appear to be very low prices), the banks are pondering whether they should pay the Stars' losses (which could be around $15 million this season) and then try to sell the team when the economic environment is better next summer. Forbes said last year the Stars were worth $246 million, and now the lenders are trying to ponder whether they are worth anything close to that now.

No offer has come close to that price so far.

The key to all of this is that Tom Hicks has little or no say in the process. He will probably have to sign the papers when the sale is complete, but he really doesn’t own the team anymore. If the lenders wanted to take the Stars into bankruptcy, they have every right to do that now. However, they feel they could lose control by forcing an auction at a time when potential buyers don’t want to spend the money. If the lenders (led by Monarch Investments, J.P. Morgan and Galatioto Sports Group) feel they can make up the losses with a higher sales price in the future, they very much might wait.

 NHL  Commissioner Gary Bettman  has already said there is a 0 percent chance the Stars would be moved, so this is just a waiting game. The team is operating on a payroll budget of about $45 million for this season, and it has not been able to open up talks to re-sign players like Brad Richards (who makes $7.8 million a year and can become an unrestricted free agent in the summer). The hope is that one of the buyers will raise his offer or the lenders will change their strategy, and then negotiations with Richards could begin. If they do not get a new owner, the Stars have enough money in the account to pay bills through December or so, and the NHL could advance some television money (about $8 million) they would normally get at the end of the year. That could hold the team until February before the lenders will have to start paying the bills. The guess is the lenders will have to make their decision probably in December or January.

If they decide to pay the bills and hold out until the summer, there is a chance the Stars might have to consider trading Richards rather than lose him for nothing. However, if he is playing well and the team is playing well, I would think they would keep him until after the season and try to sign him to an extension (or trade his rights) at that time.

I have been told there are three interested buyers, and they all are willing to be patient. However, they have studied the books and are not really interested in raising their bids right now. So it’s just a matter of waiting to see how the lenders view the sale and whether they decide a quick sale would be the smart thing to do.

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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #994 on: November 12, 2010, 05:23:15 pm »
He really does not give a shit, Hicks that is.

Poor Stars. What a mess he has gotten them into.
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #995 on: January 8, 2011, 12:29:38 am »

When we were getting rid of this guy I put this together while waiting for updates, just said I would put it in here so you can take a light hearted look back at probably our highlight of 2010 as on the pitch was so bad. Hope he never gets his mits on the deeds of another club/franchise.



I lost the Plot a couple of days ao. So to kill time between F5's I posted the following when we won the first case yesterday. I'm calling it "the strand".

There has been some confusion over the location of the meeting this it seems was a curveball thrown by the home team (henrys tweeted words). While they did swing by Stoke Park it was just to pick up some aforementioned "eastern sorts".Peter Lim was informed that the meeting was at Stoke Park.

Meanwhile at S&M the home team arrive for the board meeting to decide on the sale. Much like the old analogy of the young bull and the old bull Purslow bursts into the room punching the air, Broughton bides his time and strolls in ready to take them all. Meeting delayed by 15 minutes. Hicks and Gillett are subscribing to skype for free video calls as SSN confirms that they do not in fact have a pot to piss in.

Meeting begins, H&G have asked what bids are now on the table, Broughton confirms there are none as Lim is not present...suddenly the door bursts open...we can now confirm John Henry is in fact at the meeting...NESV have their bid rubber stamped and H&G receive a skype text saying Blow me F*****ce to confirm their exit. Meeting ends.

H&G now sit outside the Deutsche Bank more Trading Places than bank botherers, Peter Lim confirms he is suing for expenses for his taxi to Stoke Park, the home team party on into the night although there are some reports to be confirmed that the young bull has called it a night.

Since then Judge Jim granted the TRO so here goes part 2...
Broughtons room door swings open and Purslow is in a flap. Broughton can be heard under the duvet repeating "F**k off Purslow, F**k off Purslow". Heard that before. H&G have managed to get a TRO in Dallas after meeting some lady called Judy who put them in touch with her brother Judge Jim. Taking Hicks on his word...well they only just met...the TRO is now in place and back in London Grabbiner and Floyd limber up for round two.

 Into battle they go with a last word from Broughton ringing in their ears."Remember Istanbul, even if it was never a goal, but anyway remember istanbul" Grabbiner again plays a blinder surely a loan signing looking for a permanent deal. He is assisted by Chivers a first draft pick by NESV who states on the record that NESV have bought the club. Floyd has heard enough and rounds off an emphatic win with a screamer,"this has nothing to do with Texas". We're nearly there says Broughton with 4pm Friday set as end game.

Across the alantic Judge Jim has been placed front and centre in all this thanks to his gobby sister, thanks sis he posts on facebook. All sides meet and Jim rules that he needs to sleep on this as he and Hicks lawyers are overheard,"the f****r lost this case in london yesterday", "he never??", "he f****ng did, p***k" Court adjourned until 1pm GMT. In the restroom Judge Jim is seen in front of the mirror, "GMT, GMT, GM T, GM TIME, JIM TIME, this is my moment!"

H&G trawl around looking for a bank to bother now they have bought some time, or borrowed some to be precise. Most have put signs up outside TOM AND GEORGE NOT WELCOME HERE. Not looking good. The final scenes show John Henry filling a red sock with soap and he ain't doing laundry, Jim awaits his moment and Roy Hodgon hints that he may rest Chivers tomorrow as we were too attack minded today, Sky blame Rafa for intoducing the rotation policy. Tune in tomorrow for the third and hopefully final part.

Yup plot lost!

Final part in “the strand” trilogy…

Judge Jim is awoken by a message alert on his face book page, “We withdraw the TRO” it says from Hicks blackberry using free Wi-Fi in McNasty's as yes still not a pot to piss in. Jim settles back into his sleep he has a big day tomorrow when he will step out of Judy’s shadow and into the limelight. The last thing he needs is to be kept awake by Tom Hicks lies, there are enough Liverpool fans doing that.

Hick’s heads to conclude a late night deal with Mill Financial; they may not read the small print in the dark. Mill are duped, we have been there too, and apply to the Premier League for permission to crack on. For the second day running Purslow, who is getting fond of early nights, bursts into Broughtons room. Broughton has thought ahead and borrowed a penis shaped banner from some reds outside and put it on the headboard, I thought I told you to F**k off Purslow it says.

Broughton is awoken however as Purslow informs him of the latest from Dallas. Keep the faith he says, knowing his guy at the Premier League is ready to tell Mill to do one. Said guy comes through replying to Mill’s request to crack on with,” Jog on Mill, Floyd told you yesterday this has nothing to do with Texas.” Checkmate Hicks.

So NESV take control, John Henry tweets,” After all this I’m not going to cross you guys.” Better than any contract. Broughton, Purslow, Ayres, Grabiner and Floyd head to Stoke Park…remember the story I told you about the young bull Christian?, says Broughton. “Ya are we nearly there yet!!!” says an eager Purslow. All is well in Liverpool; except for rumours of squad unrest as Chivers says he won’t compromise his style for Hodgson.

Back in Dallas Judge Jim discovers he has been robbed of his big chance by H&G, fuming he storms from court tripping over two guys on the sidewalk. Recognising the faces he throws them loose change, heres your compensation, now get out of my town before I rip you a new arsehole…Get out of my town, Get out of my tooowwwwnn…” SSN blame Rafa for wasting millions that could have compensated H&G.
The end.
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Re: Hicks - Texas Rangers Sold...
« Reply #997 on: March 31, 2011, 11:03:36 pm »
Here's a thread I have seen in a long time...

Read the op again, it's a good laugh in hindsight!
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